GF100 will be fastest GPU, Dual GPU Fermi is coming!

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12-11-2009, 06:38 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by safan80

So your going to wait 6 months while the 5xxx series is out now? ATI has the fastest card and best value at the moment. Nvidia has not released a new high end product for a year already. I would rather play games than wait for Nvidia's Fermi. Cmon they had to go as far as making a mock up of a card that does not even exist. Ever since that moment I've had my doubts about nvidia's Fermi. Nvidia's drivers have also been suffering there's issues at my res( video playback issues) that did not exist 4 months ago, and also they've managed to remove support for a bunch of game. You can sit around for a fat pig to do something, but he's only going to get fatter.

id rather wait until some competition brings the price down. all cards have pretty much gone up in price since the summer
12-11-2009, 06:40 PM
Vit^pr0n

Anyone waiting for Fermi might as well wait for the 6800 series as well since it will come out half a year later, which is the amount of time between the 5800 - Fermi.

Though any veteran hardware enthusiasts know that waiting for hardware will get you nowhere. There will always be something faster out before the year is over.
12-11-2009, 06:41 PM
safan80

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

id rather wait until some competition brings the price down. all cards have pretty much gone up in price since the summer

Well I thought I paid too much for the GTX 285s. With the US mint printing money like popcorn prices are only going to get higher. Either way your going to pay more than you did before.
12-11-2009, 06:46 PM
skugpezz

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

It honestly depends on what card you had before this generation.

What card did you have?

Fermi not going to have much on the low end initially, so going 5770 can make sense since the wait is going to be longer, and from your choice of the 5770, your not buying ultra high end and its likely you had something slower than a 4870. So there might be tangible notices in games aside from crysis.

If you did have a 4870 or 4890 or a gtx 260-285, that would be a poor poor upgrade and a waste of money.

If you had something like a 3870 or even a 8800gt, I can understand the upgrade.

I had a 4870 then I bought a 5850 ( fan was working properly I rma 'ed it and bought a 5770 while I wait for it to be in stock again)
12-11-2009, 06:49 PM
Manicdan

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Originally Posted by safan80

Well I thought I paid too much for the GTX 285s. With the US mint printing money like popcorn prices are only going to get higher. Either way your going to pay more than you did before.

pc prices drop as fast as the technology grows as long as PCs maintain stable prices overall.

the price i paid for my card in May is the price it still is. and its as simple as competition, not the US economy. do we expect fermi to sell for 500-600? and then expect the 6800 to go for 900? nope. but we should have seen overall prices go down about 25% in the last six months, but has any card gone down more than 10% in that time?
12-11-2009, 07:08 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by safan80

So your going to wait 6 months while the 5xxx series is out now? ATI has the fastest card and best value at the moment. Nvidia has not released a new high end product for a year already. I would rather play games than wait for Nvidia's Fermi. Cmon they had to go as far as making a mock up of a card that does not even exist. Ever since that moment I've had my doubts about nvidia's Fermi. Nvidia's drivers have also been suffering there's issues at my res( video playback issues) that did not exist 4 months ago, and also they've managed to remove support for a bunch of game. You can sit around for a fat pig to do something, but he's only going to get fatter.

But stefan, you had gtx 285 SLI or something to that effect. Do you really think you are missing out on that much? You can't play games on what you had before?

What happens if they very same problem with your 4870x2 pop up with your new cards, which is likely to happen since the 5970 is based on the same technology and CF bad drivers.

I guess you could sell your cards and take a loss, but that just wasting money. You might have plenty of money, but everyone is not like you and must be practical at the same time.

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Originally Posted by skugpezz

I had a 4870 then I bought a 5850 ( fan was working properly I rma 'ed it and bought a 5770 while I wait for it to be in stock again)

Yikes that a bad upgrade. What resolution do you game at? If the dirt 2 benchmarks are any indication, the 5770 might be too slow for high settings in future directx 11 games and probably the 5850 too.

Did you sell your 4870? You should have just waited for your 5850 to come back.

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Originally Posted by Vit^pr0n

Anyone waiting for Fermi might as well wait for the 6800 series as well since it will come out half a year later, which is the amount of time between the 5800 - Fermi.

Though any veteran hardware enthusiasts know that waiting for hardware will get you nowhere. There will always be something faster out before the year is over.
12-11-2009, 07:22 PM
safan80

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

Do you really think you are missing out on that much? You can't play games on what you had before?

What happens if they very same problem with your 4870x2 pop up with your new cards, which is likely to happen since the 5970 is based on the same technology and CF bad drivers.

285s in SLI: with most games I could not play with 4xAA and keep 100fps. most the time thing would dip in the 30s.

CF is working great! the CF issues I had were over a year ago. ATI has been working to make their drivers better. Nvidia lately has been doing the reverse.

the fps with a single 5970 have been dipping into the 90s with 4xAA.
12-11-2009, 07:27 PM
skugpezz

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

But stefan, you had gtx 285 SLI or something to that effect. Do you really think you are missing out on that much? You can't play games on what you had before?

What happens if they very same problem with your 4870x2 pop up with your new cards, which is likely to happen since the 5970 is based on the same technology and CF bad drivers.

I guess you could sell your cards and take a loss, but that just wasting money. You might have plenty of money, but everyone is not like you and must be practical at the same time.

Yikes that a bad upgrade. What resolution do you game at? If the dirt 2 benchmarks are any indication, the 5770 might be too slow for high settings in future directx 11 games and probably the 5850 too.

Did you sell your 4870? You should have just waited for your 5850 to come back.

My 5770 plays dirt 2 maxed (hihest settings) at 16X10 flawlesly . Now I am playing with a monitor that supports 1440X9. Screenshot of the score my 5770 got below. dont under estimate this card seeing as it is at 1010/1420 too :D 17k 3dmark score with my cpu at 3.6ghz is awesome too http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2135/mybenchdirt2.jpg
12-11-2009, 08:24 PM
Blacky

Oh like theres tons of DX11 good games already :rolleyes: anyone who has a GT200 or either R700 could wait for fermi and see which is a better buy...
12-11-2009, 08:30 PM
tajoh111

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Originally Posted by skugpezz

My 5770 plays dirt 2 maxed (hihest settings) at 16X10 flawlesly . Now I am playing with a monitor that supports 1440X9. Screenshot of the score my 5770 got below. dont under estimate this card seeing as it is at 1010/1420 too :D 17k 3dmark score with my cpu at 3.6ghz is awesome too http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2135/mybenchdirt2.jpg

That not exactly that high of a score to brag about. If you were running at 1920*1200, you would be dangerously close to 30 for the average and in the 20s for the minimum. This game isn't even particularly using directx 11 power as much as future games.

I predict alienvspredator is not going to run very well as FPS shooters are the real test for videocards. Also someone in know know has already said this(benchzowner), and looking at dirts 2 directx 11 performance, I can easily see his prediction being correct. At 1920*1200 and max settings, I predict average frame rates in the 20s and single digit minimum frame rates. The trailer doesn't look smooth and you know they are using crazy hardware to push that. Its probably why they focus 60% percent of the trailer in a frozen bullet time rotating around.

Not to mention directx 11 and eyefinity seem impossible at this point. Considering your first 5xxx card died, do you really want to push your card that hard?

Games which use raytracing is going likely murder this card and probably Fermi.

To stefan80, gaming sinking into the 30s with 4x AA on occasion!!!

The Horror, the horror!!!
12-11-2009, 08:38 PM
Clairvoyant129

I was going to wait but who in their right mind would wait 6 months? If G100 is significantly faster, than maybe I wouldn't mind replacing my 5870s in CF.
12-11-2009, 08:43 PM
Hickeydog

I think I'll wait till GF 400 and the 6 series. I've got a GTX 295 and it crashes through EVERYTHING I throw at it, at 1920x1200.
12-11-2009, 09:03 PM
skugpezz

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Originally Posted by tajoh111

That not exactly that high of a score to brag about. If you were running at 1920*1200, you would be dangerously close to 30 for the average and in the 20s for the minimum. This game isn't even particularly using directx 11 power as much as future games.

I predict alienvspredator is not going to run very well as FPS shooters are the real test for videocards. Also someone in know know has already said this(benchzowner), and looking at dirts 2 directx 11 performance, I can easily see his prediction being correct. At 1920*1200 and max settings, I predict average frame rates in the 20s and single digit minimum frame rates. The trailer doesn't look smooth and you know they are using crazy hardware to push that. Its probably why they focus 60% percent of the trailer in a frozen bullet time rotating around.

Not to mention directx 11 and eyefinity seem impossible at this point. Considering your first 5xxx card died, do you really want to push your card that hard?

Games which use raytracing is going likely murder this card and probably Fermi.

To stefan80, gaming sinking into the 30s with 4x AA on occasion!!!

The Horror, the horror!!!

considering y 5770 cost $170 cad IT IS VERY IMPRESSIVE. My 5850 didnt die the did not spin up during games, but as soon as I close the game it would shoot to 100% and back down. Your predictions are useless. This card impresses me with every game I play. Lets just wait and see what happens.
this card does 960mhz on core with stock volts , so I am not pushing it hard

I couldnt be any happier with the money I have spent cod screens below

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/6...1121353373.png
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7...1118272791.png
12-11-2009, 09:08 PM
LiquidReactor

Does Nvidia even have a working Fermi?
12-11-2009, 09:16 PM
Sly Fox

Honestly I don't know how you guys have the energy left anymore to argue about what card will do what at what time for what cost.

Until things are official, no one really knows. And if someone does, they won't speak a peep about it yet. Patience is a virtue y'know. :rofl:
12-11-2009, 09:48 PM
Kuroimaho

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Originally Posted by safan80

So your going to wait 6 months while the 5xxx series is out now?

I am doing just that. Regardless of brand, with the large number of DX11 games out now I don't feel the need to upgrade over what I already have.

Actually I am more interested in GPGPU performance so Fermi is more attractive than a 5890.
12-11-2009, 11:54 PM
Heinz68

I wonder if some of the people advising wait for Fermi, would be advising to wait 6 months for the ATI 5000 series cards if the Fermi was on the market first.

I sure will not wait, ordered the HD 5970.
12-12-2009, 12:09 AM
Glow9

I hate these stupid arguments about DX11. It's really sad that was the best Nvidia could do as a defense and now we here it from fanbois. The ironic thing is the 8000 line from Nvidia whored out their cards when there was barely any DX10 games. Lets face it most games that have and are coming out still run DX9. Stupid stupid argument. Been there done that.
12-12-2009, 12:10 AM
K404

How can nV go from no reliably working silicon, no final yield numbers, no final clockspeed numbers FOR THE SINGLE DIE CARD! and a corresponding blank space in the power consumption box and now say "theres gonna be a dual-GPU solution."

They can HOPE theres a dual GPU solution... thats fine and a natural hope. To say there IS gonna be one is jumping the gun
12-12-2009, 12:22 AM
Shadov

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Originally Posted by safan80

It's already is not worth the wait. How many refreshes have they done lately? Anybody who is smart will get an ATI card this time around and wait for a Fermi refresh. Nvidia's attitude has been annoying lately: no Dx 10.1 support and no Dx11 support. The only thing Nvidia has done lately was the G80 and that was back in 06. It's been 3 years and Fermi is late and I would be shocked if they could release for sale by the end of January.

Games performance is mostly dependant on single precision, while Nvidia PR is claiming "fastest in the industry" (insert carefully selected double precision benchmark here).

So if youre waiting to compress movies a bit faster and overpay for non-existing GPGPU consumer programs - Fermi will be your card. Everyone else should go for ATI and you know what?

RV870 has also impressive double precision and crushes Fermi on single precision where most gaming performance comes from.

The whole situation reminds me of Core vs Phenom I. While Phenom had superior FP performance, did we see that in games? Again im mentioning the word gaming, since Nvidia seems to have forgotten about that... :shrug:
12-12-2009, 01:47 AM
Dainas

I hate to parrot but.

Nvidia still knows what side its bread is buttered, if Fermi does not crush single gpu Cypress in gaming, across the board barring few test, it is a failure. It will end up as the R600 or worse NV30 in the eyes of pc gamers if its not a head above. I wouldnt dare argue if it will, I'm just stating what it has to be.
12-12-2009, 02:34 AM
Carfax

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Originally Posted by Shadov

RV870 has also impressive double precision and crushes Fermi on single precision where most gaming performance comes from.

That doesn't mean jack. The HD 4870 had a higher theoretical single precision throughput than the GTX 280, but the 280 still came out on top in most games..
12-12-2009, 03:10 AM
Farinorco

Wow, I think I will never understand all this things about waiting/not waiting.

In my opinion, the thing is clear. When you need a card (or a CPU, or a mouse, or a microwave), you buy one. When you don't need, you shouldn't. Anyone that is good with the card he/she has now, why is going to bother with an upgrade? On the other hand, anyone who wants to change it, why is going to wait some months for the release of a future unknown product?

Oh, yeah, I can understand to wait if the product is going to be released in one or two weeks and that's going to mean something at a features/price POV. But nothing else. In the world of computers, you can't be waiting for a future product, because always will be a future product to wait for.

Now you could wait for Fermi, then you should wait for R900. Then you should wait for GF200, and maybe some day a consumer version of Larrabee will be on the roadmap again. And you could wait, and wait, and wait. Or simply buy something when you need it.

[I have bought a HD5850 myself, because I couldn't bear at all my computer for a single more minute. So I've bought now, the best product that I could buy in my price range, at a level of performance and features (DX11). Would I have prefered some competence to be available in the form of Fermi? Of course. And even R900 architecture instead of Evergreen. But the thing is, neither one or the other is available so that is nothing more than fantasize... now I have my new computer installed -I'm typing from it- provisionally while I wait -:rofl:- for my first watercooling loop parts to arrive]
12-12-2009, 03:38 AM
SocketMan

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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129

I was going to wait but who in their right mind would wait 6 months? If G100 is significantly faster, than maybe I wouldn't mind replacing my 5870s in CF.

That has been my plan since the 3xxx series.
First get a mobo with 3/4 PCEe slots then get 1 card,see how it goes etc..few months later the prices drop - get the second card,
few months later another one.

I did get 2x5770 this around cause it was a 100$ less (for 2 ) then a 5870 which was not available.

The scaling is near 100% at least with dirt 2 and SANDRA synthetic GPGPU tests:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=13

Dirt2 at 1920x1080 ULTRA settings runs great,if it didn't
half of the DIRT2 AI drivers would not call me a LEGEND :rofl:

Even if I get 2 more 5770s it's going to cost less then
getting 1 Fermi.No need to wait 6 months to find out I can't
afford it.

My advise however (seeing all the talk about being smart :p:)
Would be to have at least 2 PCs (1 SLI/1 CF) which in certain
cases will cost less then upgrading high end GPUs every few months.Plus you can always have buddy/your kid play with
you in the same room/house.Now that is a lot of fun,specially
FPS.
Also seeing how games get "optimized" (BatmAAn) it's not a bad idea to have 2 gaming rigs.

So if someone is "stuck" with a highend Intel SLI rig - keep
it by all means.Just add an AMD mobo with 4/3 PCIe slots,cpu, some ram,hard drive (most people have 1/2 laying around) and a 5770,again this entire setup will cost less then 1 Fermi.
Then 6 months from now you can update you SLI setup - now
that's smart :up:;)
12-12-2009, 04:00 AM
Piotrsama

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Originally Posted by Dainas

It will end up as the R600 or worse NV30 in the eyes of pc gamers if its not a head above.

It better not be as bad as the NV30.

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2539/blower2dt2.jpg

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