Intel 32nm Clarkdale CPU-and-GPU chip benchmarked

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Originally Posted by LOE

with their inferior GPU design - not likely

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You are assuming that an "inferior" design will stay throughout the lifecycle of the architecture(with various modifications). With Clarkdale, the Intel will fix various weak spots which are pulling performance down in real world scenarios.

Assuming 3DMark Vantage is correct, it'll be able to exceed the scores of Nvidia Geforce 9400 IGP per HKEPC:

http://global.hkepc.com/3878/page/6#view

G45: E3508
9400 IGP: E4445
1.5x G45: ~E5300

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I think that the IGP was shrinken from 90nm all the way to 45nm actually. And honestly I am VERY surprised I never in my life thaught that Intels IGP could match AMDs offering.

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By the way Smartidiot89, the current G45 is already 65nm.

v_rr: I think Hexus pulled the link probably by request of Intel

lol what, you guys got excited by intel docs about i3 igp performance? LOL...
come on guys, what do you trust more, some mfc doc claiming huge gains but being very vague about it, or some hw enthusiasts that actually benched and reviewed an actual i3 igp system?

doesnt anybody remember how intel initially claimed i3 igp perf will be ~2.5x faster than G45?
now its suddenly only ~50% more... yet you still trust those intel slideshows? :lol:

and this from anandtech:

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While G45 had 10 shader cores, the 'dale GPU increases that to 12

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OMG! 20% more shader cores :eek: :rolleyes:

about anandtechs preview... argh...

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/.../partition.jpg
come on anand! you know better than that! i3 isnt 2 chip, its still 3 chip just that the igp/imc has been merged to one chip and is sitting next to the cpu silicon on the cpu package... why? to kill of ati and nvidia igp chipset by basically making them impossible as the only io to and from the cpu is a crippled 4x pciE 1.1 bus aka dmi...
its not 2 chips, its 2 packages at best...

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/.../clarkdale.jpg

i3 drop in compatible with 1156 i7 800 and i5 700 series??? thats nothing but a lie from intel right there! :nono:
i3 needs a third pwm block for the GMCH, the igp/imc chip that sits next to the cpu chip on the cpu package...
far from every 1156 board has this, plus you need bios support too, i3 has a diferent imc than i5 and i7 and needs more than a basic bios update to work properly...

you want clarkdale i3 igp benchmarks?
how about some real world tests instead of performance predictions, estimates and bold claims from the manufacturer? :P

785G performance my 4ss... :D

courtesy of our friends in hong kong:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1846/lolxr.png

this is a beta driver of course, even if a driver update within the next few months will kick this up and make it 250% faster than G45 accorss the board or even more than that... itll still be slow...

considering that this is still based on 965G and there has only been a 20% shader processor increase since G45, the perf boost is very nice...
but if you have sucky igp graphics and improve them by 250%... you still have sucky igp graphics... :shrug: :D

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Originally Posted by saaya

i3 drop in compatible with 1156 i7 800 and i5 700 series??? thats nothing but a lie from intel right there! :nono:
i3 needs a third pwm block for the GMCH, the igp/imc chip that sits next to the cpu chip on the cpu package...
far from every 1156 board has this, plus you need bios support too, i3 has a diferent imc than i5 and i7 and needs more than a basic bios update to work properly...

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i don´t understand, why is that a lie?

Clarkdale can run on every P55 Board. I tested it on 6 different Boards and had no Problems.

ironically your quoted benchmakrs shows 2-2.5x performance gain over G45 in realworld (games). :rofl:

Also it IS a 2 chips solution, there are only 2 physical "chips on" the motherboard (one chipset and one CPU). If you really would coun't every chip you would have 20x chip solutions... (audiocodec, NIC, bios, vrm controller etc, all this parts are a chip by definition)

Your constant nitpicking and complaining about everything realy gets old and annoying. :down:

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Originally Posted by Chri$ch

i don´t understand, why is that a lie?

Clarkdale can run on every P55 Board. I tested it on 6 different Boards and had no Problems.

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ouch right in the face.... :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Chri$ch

Clarkdale can run on every P55 Board. I tested it on 6 different Boards and had no Problems.

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The IGP is disabled on S1156, right?

Yes, IGP work only with H55, H57 and Q57 chipsets.

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Originally Posted by saaya

you want clarkdale i3 igp benchmarks?
how about some real world tests instead of performance predictions, estimates and bold claims from the manufacturer? :P

785G performance my 4ss... :D

courtesy of our friends in hong kong:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/1846/lolxr.png

this is a beta driver of course, even if a driver update within the next few months will kick this up and make it 250% faster than G45 accorss the board or even more than that... itll still be slow...

considering that this is still based on 965G and there has only been a 20% shader processor increase since G45, the perf boost is very nice...
but if you have sucky igp graphics and improve them by 250%... you still have sucky igp graphics... :shrug: :D

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Dude.

That Chinese benchmark is flawed that it uses a driver that barely recognizes Clarkdale. G45 gets way more than 3.4 fps at everything low on Crysis. From the same site it shows 8-9 fps. If Clarkdale can 2.5x that then it can at least equal 9400.

You can't compare the result to anything other than Intel IGPs because the driver even cripples the G45.

Look here: http://global.hkepc.com/1865/page/11#view

G45 Crysis: 8.6

x 2.6 = 22 fps better than 9400.

If you want to make yourself relevant you are better off not fooling others first.

Look again: http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3618&p=8

If they can manage 2-3x average in games it will be at least be on par with 785G.

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Originally Posted by FischOderAal

The IGP is disabled on S1156, right?

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It is not disabled on the socket. Just P55 chipset is missing FDI (display) interface. So Clarkdale will work on P55 boards but without IGP.

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

@onethreehill Thanks :)

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You are welcome :D

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Originally Posted by v_rr

hexus link isn't working.

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Because it has been superseded by a new review?
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20419

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Originally Posted by Chri$ch

i don´t understand, why is that a lie?

Clarkdale can run on every P55 Board. I tested it on 6 different Boards and had no Problems.

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it can run on any 1156 board, but not with igp...

hmmmm so all 1156 boards HAVE to have the third pwm block for 32nm now?
i didnt see it on any 1156 highend board... then again they have so many phases its hard to tell :D
what boards did you test it on?

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

ironically your quoted benchmakrs shows 2-2.5x performance gain over G45 in realworld (games). :rofl:

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yeah but not 2.5x accross the board, in most cases its 2x

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Also it IS a 2 chips solution, there are only 2 physical "chips on" the motherboard (one chipset and one CPU). If you really would coun't every chip you would have 20x chip solutions... (audiocodec, NIC, bios, vrm controller etc, all this parts are a chip by definition)

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:rolleyes: there arent 2 chips on the board, cpu and gmch are not one chip... they are on the same package but its not 1 chip...

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Your constant nitpicking and complaining about everything realy gets old and annoying. :down:

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just skip my posts... :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Chri$ch

Yes, IGP work only with H55, H57 and Q57 chipsets.

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Thank you :)

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Originally Posted by kl0012

It is not disabled on the socket. Just P55 chipset is missing FDI (display) interface. So Clarkdale will work on P55 boards but without IGP.

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Basically the same I meant ;)

I saved Hexus' gaming test.

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Originally Posted by IntelUser

Dude
That Chinese benchmark is flawed that it uses a driver that barely recognizes Clarkdale.

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i agree that its a bad driver, but its the best intel had at that time, 1 month ago... ^^

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Originally Posted by IntelUser

G45 gets way more than 3.4 fps at everything low on Crysis. From the same site it shows 8-9 fps.

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yes, my bad for not mentioning it... they ran the same driver they used for clarkdales igp for the G45 to get the same image quality... thats why G45 has lower numbers in there than it usually would... if you compare the best G45 driver with the clarkdale graphics its more realistical but pretty sad, cause the 200-250% boost is almost completely gone...

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Originally Posted by IntelUser

If Clarkdale can 2.5x that then it can at least equal 9400.

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what do you base this on?
here, have a look:
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3952/17634.png

if it would be 3x as fast as G45, it would manage to be the SAME as ion... not beat it... 790FX beats that, and 785 can be overclocked to 1ghz on air on most boards, which results in a really nice boost, sometimes above 30%...

even IF they reach a 2.5x boost, they will just about catch up with igp graphics from last year...

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Originally Posted by IntelUser

You can't compare the result to anything other than Intel IGPs because the driver even cripples the G45.

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yes, using vthe clarkdale driver for the G45 system wasnt a smart move from hkpc... but if they would have used a propper G45 driver it would have made clarkdale graphics even worse, as theres barely a boost compared to G45...

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Originally Posted by IntelUser

If you want to make yourself relevant you are better off not fooling others first.

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right... :lol:
YOU might want to read that review your quoting, and i mean really read all of it and not as much as you think you need to prove me wrong :P

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Originally Posted by IntelUser

If they can manage 2-3x average in games it will be at least be on par with 785G.

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yes, but 790FX and ION both beat that...
i think their overclocked clarkdale igp at 900mhz will probably do about as good as 9400 aka ion and 790FX... thats not bad... but its not good...

and we have yet to see a 2.5x performance boost...
to the smart4sses who said the hkpc numbers showed a 2.5x boost over G45, well read the review, they used the clarkdale igp driver on G45 which made it slower... normal G45 performance is only slightly slower than clarkdale igp numbers in that test... which makes sense seing as clarkdales igp only has 20% more shader processors than G45.

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Originally Posted by Vozer

I saved Hexus' gaming test.

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oh nice! very interesting!
sounds like they DID make quite some advancements with their drivers since last month!


EDIT: hmmmm
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...md_785g_03.gif

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3184/17630.png

either G45 and possibly clarkdales igp lose half their perf when using 8xAF, or intel managed to double G45 performance within the last month?
either explanation sounds weird...

Vozer, did hexus say anything about image quality?

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Originally Posted by saaya

and we have yet to see a 2.5x performance boost...
to the smart4sses who said the hkpc numbers showed a 2.5x boost over G45, well read the review, they used the clarkdale igp driver on G45 which made it slower... normal G45 performance is only slightly slower than clarkdale igp numbers in that test... which makes sense seing as clarkdales igp only has 20% more shader processors than G45.

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Would be quite right if you don't miss a litle detail... G45 is 65nm, clarkdale IGP is 45nm ... the shrink to 45nm alone save 40-45% space, . :p:

Even with the IMC on the IGP core, theres more space for more transistors than can be used to increase the performance.

Who says the 12 alus got not beefed up. I doubt the 2 alus take up so much space.

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Originally Posted by saaya

Vozer, did hexus say anything about image quality?

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Unfortunately, no.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Would be quite right if you don't miss a litle detail... G45 is 65nm, clarkdale IGP is 45nm ... the shrink to 45nm alone save 40-45% space, . :p:

Even with the IMC on the IGP core, theres more space for more transistors than can be used to increase the performance.

Who says the 12 alus got not beefed up. I doubt the 2 alus take up so much space.

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good point... im sure they did that... but unless they really fkced up and almost broke G45, how can they MORE than double performance by only reworking the shader processors and only adding 20% more? :confused:

if they did it, hooray!
ion and 790fx performance is def nice for an igp system and good enough for an htpc and very basic gaming on a netbook or laptop... but i have some doubts about that... and even if the perf is there, G45 drivers are still far from perfect, and when did G45 come out? :D

i hope hexus or somebody else can post some more infos...

saaya, you keep saying 790fx, i think you mean GX?

huh, if the performance of the thing is near 9400 Nvidia is in trouble at least with people who get the i3. If Nvidia makes a ION mobo for the 1156 its bound to have a 9400/9300 igp and when fitted with a i3 you will get similar graphical performance that you would get with a integrated i3 igp.

So who would buy a ION for a i3??? Even if Nvidia does release a a 1156 ION mobo it may only make sense for lynnfields....!!!

The one thing about Intel IGPs are they can be competitive with other IGPs in one thing, but totally flunk in another. They are especially weak with games utilizing older shader models. Plus, they took a big hit with features like fog.

On Clarkdale, occulsion will be significantly enhanced with Hierarchial Z and it'll have more compute power with 3x the Mathbox units. Which might help a lot with the "weak" situations.

Not to mention they are extremely sensitive to bandwidth(something flawed with previous architectures?). Clarkdale will partly mitigate that.

The G45 driver did improve. They do much better with a recent article like this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...t,2381-11.html

how are these things for htpcs? Can they do 1080p or do they stutter?

theres an anandtech review on page one, it covers video playback

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

saaya, you keep saying 790fx, i think you mean GX?

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oh yeah, thx :D

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

huh, if the performance of the thing is near 9400 Nvidia is in trouble at least with people who get the i3. If Nvidia makes a ION mobo for the 1156 its bound to have a 9400/9300 igp and when fitted with a i3 you will get similar graphical performance that you would get with a integrated i3 igp.

So who would buy a ION for a i3??? Even if Nvidia does release a a 1156 ION mobo it may only make sense for lynnfields....!!!

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well ion came out when? theres ion2 coming afaik... :)

but again, what do you think intel moved the igp chipset onto the cpu package for? theres no way for nvidia or ati to provide igp chipsets anymore, even IF the licensing thing would be no problem ;)
what does nvidia want to hook their gpu up to? dmi? LOL have fun!

yes, the g45 driver improved... but they dont say anything about image quality either... and as soon as you enable aa and af it seems to crash in l4d, and in wic it crashes as soon as you select medium details... they might want to get compatibility up before tweaking for perf :P

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Originally Posted by Glow9

how are these things for htpcs? Can they do 1080p or do they stutter?

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They can even decode 2 HD streams at once, where a 9400 just passes out. ;)