Socket 2011 to use the same mounting holes as lga1366

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

So you have a decrease in the socket changes as you go on. AM2,AM2+ & AM3 are quite similar with each other, if we combine the three its like 4+ years. The 939 had 2 years of life and it was a very capable socket, sad it died so soon. Socket A was another strong one that lasted about 3 years that is a long time :yepp: still have one laying around.

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Same could be said about S775, infact its physically the same socket over the whole time.
If we only go for physically different sockets, that would be 6 vs 8 (intel/amd), but that was not point that i wanted to adress.

Its more the pointed towards the people who always whine about intel/amd when they release a new socket how its sucks and how they force people to buy new stuff...

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Originally Posted by cirthix

Just got a socket R (2011) test board in (not motherboard, just power test board). Good news is that while the socket is physically larger than 1366, the mounting holes for heatsinks are the same :).

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Could very well just be about test boards. Early 1366 boards had 775 mounting holes.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Same could be said about S775, infact its physically the same socket over the whole time.
If we only go for physically different sockets, that would be 6 vs 8 (intel/amd), but that was not point that i wanted to adress.

Its more the pointed towards the people who always whine about intel/amd when they release a new socket how its sucks and how they force people to buy new stuff...

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Quite the contrary. While you could call AM2(+/3) all the same socket as all boards designed for AM2 with a big enough Bios chip can run all newer cpus physically(provided the m/b vendor provides bios support). In contrast you can divide socket 775 to at least 2 sockets. The pre-conroe socket and the post-conroe socket. Also iirc early boards couldnt be upgraded with dualcores.

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Originally Posted by BrowncoatGR

Quite the contrary. While you could call AM2(+/3) all the same socket as all boards designed for AM2 with a big enough Bios chip can run all newer cpus physically(provided the m/b vendor provides bios support). In contrast you can divide socket 775 to at least 2 sockets. The pre-conroe socket and the post-conroe socket. Also iirc early boards couldnt be upgraded with dualcores.

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http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=22 :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=22 :rolleyes:

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Yes but you contradict yourself. If an AM2 board was built according to AMDs recommendations (8bit bios chip) then that board would be physically and electrically compatible with AM2, AM2+ and AM3 CPUs. The same cannot be said for S775. In fact a 4bit bios board can be made Phenom compatible if you drop support for K8 CPUs(iirc Biostar had such a bios for one of their boards)

Same could be said for S775, they are electrical and physically the same, the only "problem" is the VRM.

The difference between VRM 10 and VRM 11 arn't that huge, the biggest change form there was that it could handle fluctuating loads better. The power they deliver is the same.

But its ok, i let people there belief that switching sockets = evil, especial on intel side.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

why are you mixing consumer sockers with server sockets? :p:

also you missing Super Socket 7 and Slot A on amd cosnumer site preaty shortlived once.
Also your caunting whole life time and not to the point where the next socket was introduced (Socket A 2000 -> Socket 754 2003, which makes it 3 years).

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the lifetime of a socket is not over when a new socket is introduced...
not necessarily at least... is that how you listed the intel sockets? in that cause our numbers are not directly comparable...

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

But its ok, i let people there belief that switching sockets = evil, especial on intel side.

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switching sockets is not evil, its just annoying for customers... 775 was really nice, even with the vrm split in the middle... anybody who saw intels 2012 roadmap and tells me there isnt a socket mess please explain why... :P

iirc 1156 has been just launched and will be eol within a year
and the new socket following that will be eol within a year too... :stick:

intel probably thinks why make a socket last long, itll make it slightly bigger and each board costs 2 cents more to make, for a feature they will most likely never use cause by the time its used, people buy a new board anyways... but why dont they just make the socket 2cents more expensive then? its not like end users would even notice it... and for end users a perceived long lifetime for their socket is worth a lot and makes them happy customers... i think its one of those things that is def worth the little extra investment/cost, but because of how beaurocratic companies calculate and arrange and plan their products cost and margin, it looks like a bad idea even though its not...

775 is/was sweet! So much cpu progress and chipsets in that one.

Well i love the 1366, but looking forward to each new socket personally, big chip likes tight socket!

I'll be happy so long as the mounting holes stay the same so it doesn't thwart my purchase decision on a phase change ss cooler.

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Originally Posted by saaya

the lifetime of a socket is not over when a new socket is introduced...
not necessarily at least... is that how you listed the intel sockets? in that cause our numbers are not directly comparable...

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Yes our approach is not comparable, since some people here think that when a new socket is released, the old one gets obsolent imidiantly... :p:

By the looks right now it seems S775 could be the longest lived socked ever, for consumers.

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Originally Posted by saaya

switching sockets is not evil, its just annoying for customers... 775 was really nice, even with the vrm split in the middle... anybody who saw intels 2012 roadmap and tells me there isnt a socket mess please explain why... :P

iirc 1156 has been just launched and will be eol within a year
and the new socket following that will be eol within a year too... :stick:

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Duno what you mean by "socket mess", yes there definitly will be a new socket, but the only one we know right now is S2011. Which probably will be a replacement for S1366 or S1567, but thats still a year off, at least.

S1155/S1156 will mostly likely be something like AM2/AM2+, and even if they only have a lifetime of a year, its not like that didn't happened before.

ok i'm lost - whats s2011? sandy bridge? whats that? tick or tock of nehalem?

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Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss

ok i'm lost - whats s2011? sandy bridge? whats that? tick or tock of nehalem?

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Probably this is a future server socket for upcoming server chips (Sandy Bridge based??) with integrated GPU & PCIe. Such a big number of pins allows to hope that Intel's future server CPU will keep at least 3 mem channels and will bring > 16 (32??) PCIe lanes.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Yes our approach is not comparable, since some people here think that when a new socket is released, the old one gets obsolent imidiantly... :p:

By the looks right now it seems S775 could be the longest lived socked ever, for consumers.



Duno what you mean by "socket mess", yes there definitly will be a new socket, but the only one we know right now is S2011. Which probably will be a replacement for S1366 or S1567, but thats still a year off, at least.

S1155/S1156 will mostly likely be something like AM2/AM2+, and even if they only have a lifetime of a year, its not like that didn't happened before.

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I don't think so, Sandy bridge is gonna have a new socket 1155. Initially Clarkdale was suppose to come with a 1155 socket but instead of that they will still use 1156 aka H55.

If there was no need for a new 1155 intel would have used the 1156 for sandy bridge also. This would mean 1155/1156 is more like 754/939, when ever 1567 comes it will live a longer life than the 1156 simple because server sockets live longer "eg 1366" 2011 may take longer to come or maybe it is made for a secific range of cpu's.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Duno what you mean by "socket mess", yes there definitly will be a new socket, but the only one we know right now is S2011. Which probably will be a replacement for S1366 or S1567, but thats still a year off, at least.

S1155/S1156 will mostly likely be something like AM2/AM2+, and even if they only have a lifetime of a year, its not like that didn't happened before.

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will most likely be... so you didnt see an intel longterm roadmap :D

and yes, i thought this was the snb socket?
westmere is 1156/1366/15xx with vrm11.1 first and then vrm12 version so of the same sockets, like the 775 11.0 and 11.1 split, but worse, cause new and old wont work together, whether its board and cpu or cpu and board...

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

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I don't think so, Sandy bridge is gonna have a new socket 1155. Initially Clarkdale was suppose to come with a 1155 socket but instead of that they will still use 1156 aka H55.

If there was no need for a new 1155 intel would have used the 1156 for sandy bridge also. This would mean 1155/1156 is more like 754/939, when ever 1567 comes it will live a longer life than the 1156 simple because server sockets live longer "eg 1366" 2011 may take longer to come or maybe it is made for a secific range of cpu's.

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S1567 is the MP socket and they have always had a longer livetime, due to the slower product cycle there.

Im not sure about S1155, since as you mentioned clarkdale was planed to use it, but also can be used with S1156.
We'll see what happens with S1155 next year, but i remember that i read something back in Q1 2009 that S1155 was just for development and the unified everything on S1156.

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Originally Posted by saaya

will most likely be... so you didnt see an intel longterm roadmap :D

and yes, i thought this was the snb socket?
westmere is 1156/1366/15xx with vrm11.1 first and then vrm12 version so of the same sockets, like the 775 11.0 and 11.1 split, but worse, cause new and old wont work together, whether its board and cpu or cpu and board...

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That makes no sense? Sure VRM 12 cpus wont work in VRM11 mobos, but VRM11 cpus will work in VMR12 mobos. It was always that way that VRM specs where backward compatible.

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

That makes no sense? Sure VRM 12 cpus wont work in VRM11 mobos, but VRM11 cpus will work in VMR12 mobos. It was always that way that VRM specs where backward compatible.

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I doubt it. In fact Intel has much more relaxed specs for H2 (1155).
I suppose some fundamental changes in the power distribution in Sandy Bridge cpus lead to replacing VRM by the new version.

http://www.overclockers.ru/images/ne.../06/lga_02.jpg
http://www.overclockers.ru/images/ne.../06/lga_01.jpg

too many sockets IMHO...

The next step for Intel is one socket per speed bin :ROTF:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

That makes no sense? Sure VRM 12 cpus wont work in VRM11 mobos, but VRM11 cpus will work in VMR12 mobos. It was always that way that VRM specs where backward compatible.

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yes, if you dont know how vrm12 works, that makes no sense... :P

Another new socket? Not really surprising though, coming from Intel. Seriously, they should be just like AMD, and not introduce new sockets every year or so. But whatever, if this brings them money, I guess that all it matters.