AMD: You'll be pleasantly surprised

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07-10-2009, 02:53 AM
Chad Boga

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

I don't get why you should stay loyal to any particular hardware company?

They think they are in a relationship.

It's all about the search for love.
07-10-2009, 03:16 AM
ToTTenTranz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

That makes me wonder what you heard about 5 months ago :p:.

HD4890
07-10-2009, 03:28 AM
Xcel

People have their reasons for being brand loyal just leave it at that, as long as they are happy with it themselves. Who cares if they get x% less performance for x€... At least you're free to buy whatever you want
07-10-2009, 03:43 AM
Chrono Detector

I have high hopes for ATI's next generation, I was quite impressed with their 4800 series and I hope they can continue to deliver good results what the 4800 series can.
07-10-2009, 03:44 AM
YMAA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

AMD is usually really quiet unless the company has grown a confidence level above avarage ;)

:rofl:

http://breakfree.amd.com/en-us/default.aspx
07-10-2009, 03:46 AM
Mechromancer

I was really hoping this surprise would come in the form of a CPU, not a GPU. I think it's safe to say AMD is competent enough to come out with as fast a GPU as they want. Their biggest weakness is in the CPU uarch department ONLY. They already have a great manufacturing process, GPUs, HyperTransport, and chipsets. They just need to bring up the launch of Bulldozer 6 months or give us Phenom IIs at a much higher clock rate.
07-10-2009, 04:00 AM
soundood

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

It's known facts that ATI drivers are 100% utter crap and can't play 3D, and since the ATI logo is red the cards can at randomly burst into flames for no apparent reasons, and their multi-gpu scaling actually scales down, while Nvidia is Green so obviously alot more powerefficient and good for the environment, also their Driver support is nothing but flawless and their multi-GPU solution has over 100% scaling

very well said, i would probaly went with an ATI card years ago, but i am fed up hearing

"catalyst 9.'insert version' released, hope it fixes my 'insert problem', ohh no it doesnt, maybe i will just 'insert tempory solution' in the meantime, till they release another version.

you just never hear that with Nvidia, and for me, driver nonsense i cant stand, there is no excuse for it.
07-10-2009, 04:09 AM
RejZoR

Ironically enough, i never had a SINGLE issue with ANY Catalyst driver. Radeon 9600 Pro, Radeon x1950 Pro and now Radeon HD4850.
Same goes for NVIDIA cards. Just stay away from multi-GPU solutions. They are fast when they somehow manage to work, but compatibility equals dog :banana::banana::banana::banana: on a sidewalk most of the time. I prefer slightly lower framerate and a problem free experience.
So far it was working perfectly.
07-10-2009, 04:18 AM
Helmore

I have had some stability problems with my NVIDIA GPU drivers though. Nothing too major though, but still annoying to have your drivers stop working and then just reload all of a sudden. Now complete system crashes luckily. I've not had this with my ATI drivers, but I have less experience with ATI drivers than with NVIDIA drivers so who knows what will happen on that front in the future.
07-10-2009, 04:22 AM
Smartidiot89

Quote:

Originally Posted by RejZoR

Ironically enough, i never had a SINGLE issue with ANY Catalyst driver. Radeon 9600 Pro, Radeon x1950 Pro and now Radeon HD4850.
Same goes for NVIDIA cards. Just stay away from multi-GPU solutions. They are fast when they somehow manage to work, but compatibility equals dog :banana::banana::banana::banana: on a sidewalk most of the time. I prefer slightly lower framerate and a problem free experience.
So far it was working perfectly.

Second that, haven't heard of anyone of my friends with either ATI or Nvidia whining about driver issues. The only time these life hazardous issues occurs seems to be with multi-GPU solutions.
07-10-2009, 04:41 AM
Talonman

I havent had any issues with my 295 working... :)
07-10-2009, 04:55 AM
Easybeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

Second that, haven't heard of anyone of my friends with either ATI or Nvidia whining about driver issues. The only time these life hazardous issues occurs seems to be with multi-GPU solutions.

Life hazardous no, PC hazardous yes. One of the early 8 series catalysts almost fried my 2900 pro and at least 50% of the drivers since then have had issues. My card kind of feels like the orphan child tbh.

As for the article I take it with about as much faith as any other industry interview.
07-10-2009, 04:58 AM
roadie

If the die size is the same as the 4890, does anyone have any idea how many transistors could be fitted using the 40nm process? I guess a rough figure could be extrapolated using the 4770 info and scaling up...
07-10-2009, 05:04 AM
Dami3n

Great, but we need good games. We don´t need any mighty dx11 hardware if all the games are crappy console-ports.
07-10-2009, 05:16 AM
flopper

Most likely is Nvidia paying the gamedevelopers to put in some crasch code for ati cards.
Just to put some pins into the competition.:rolleyes:

ATI has had great stuff that very few if any game developers have taken up for coding.
its a shame.
07-10-2009, 05:26 AM
Wiggy McShades

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

I don't get why you should stay loyal to any particular hardware company?

drivers and seperation anxiety.
07-10-2009, 05:27 AM
ToTTenTranz

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundood

very well said, i would probaly went with an ATI card years ago, but i am fed up hearing

"catalyst 9.'insert version' released, hope it fixes my 'insert problem', ohh no it doesnt, maybe i will just 'insert tempory solution' in the meantime, till they release another version.

you just never hear that with Nvidia, and for me, driver nonsense i cant stand, there is no excuse for it.

lol you didn't realize he was actually making fun of people like you?

wow.. there are still people who believe there's a discernible difference in stability/quality between nVidia and ATI drivers..
That's like.. still believing the Earth is plane.. it's so 2001..
07-10-2009, 05:44 AM
ExodusC

I'm looking forward to see how Evergreen performs.

As far as the whole ATI drivers thing goes, I've had a few minor problems in my time using a 4850/4870, some which were fixed, and others were minor quirks. One of such is being unable to enable aspect ratio locking under Windows 7. I really hope it's fixed in the Catalyst 9.7 release.

Minor stuff, but not something that would make me stop using my 4870 for, in exchange for having to pay more for a card of the same performance.
07-10-2009, 05:50 AM
Donnie27

I've likeed and disliked drivers from AMD-ATI and nVidia.
07-10-2009, 05:54 AM
W1zzard

what did you expect them to say?

you think a marketing person would say: "the drivers will be buggy, the chip hot because of leakage, not much volume available because tsmc is broken and it's a midrange chip for which there are no games at launch time"
07-10-2009, 06:03 AM
Talonman

:up::rofl:
07-10-2009, 06:13 AM
Smartidiot89

Quote:

Originally Posted by W1zzard

what did you expect them to say?

you think a marketing person would say: "the drivers will be buggy, the chip hot because of leakage, not much volume available because tsmc is broken and it's a midrange chip for which there are no games at launch time"

AMD: "We are going to be perfectly honest with you. The Drivers is a disaster and the chip is extremely hot due to leakage issues and a undersized heatsink, the fan is noisy but thank god Evergreen will be limited edition due to TSMCs problems. Atleast we will be first with a DirectX11 card which is what really matters."
07-10-2009, 06:20 AM
roadie

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadie

If the die size is the same as the 4890, does anyone have any idea how many transistors could be fitted using the 40nm process? I guess a rough figure could be extrapolated using the 4770 info and scaling up...

~1700m transistors?
07-10-2009, 06:27 AM
askimo

Quote:

Originally Posted by YMAA

:rofl:

http://breakfree.amd.com/en-us/default.aspx

This doesn't have anything to do with new hardware introduction
07-10-2009, 06:35 AM
stangracin3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smartidiot89

AMD: "We are going to be perfectly honest with you. The Drivers is a disaster and the chip is extremely hot due to leakage issues and a undersized heatsink, the fan is noisy but thank god Evergreen will be limited edition due to TSMCs problems. Atleast we will be first with a DirectX11 card which is what really matters."

nice flamebait

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