Athlon II (Regor) In the house!

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05-31-2009, 12:31 PM
Smartidiot89

Max stable on Air? :O
05-31-2009, 12:41 PM
Lightman

WOW :eek: you're brave mAJORD!
Popping lid in such a new CPU :D
Has it died on you or you were sure it will survive this operation?

When we can expect first results from you?
BTW in Athlons 64 mem controller was in sync with CPU clock, so X2 6000+ ran at 3GHz ;)

Independent IMC clock is required for independent core clocking. Also enabled K10 to maintain same memory frequency across a range of CPU multipliers (K8 memory speed varied depending on CPU multi.). Same as in Griffin, Regor will have ability to clock cores at different speeds. I only hope AMD added option to completely shut down a core when not needed! That would be cool on a laptop!
05-31-2009, 02:08 PM
G.Foyle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trunks

Regor is 117 mm^2

117.5, to be exact :D
05-31-2009, 02:35 PM
Glow9

Maybe I missed it but does this chip have unlockable cores?
05-31-2009, 02:42 PM
cbjaust

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glow9

Maybe I missed it but does this chip have unlockable cores?

It's a new mask, so no, it's dual core only and a such has no additional cores to unlock.

Sempron II anyone? Single -> dual core !!

Cheers
05-31-2009, 03:47 PM
mAJORD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightman

WOW :eek: you're brave mAJORD!
Popping lid in such a new CPU :D
Has it died on you or you were sure it will survive this operation?

When we can expect first results from you?
BTW in Athlons 64 mem controller was in sync with CPU clock, so X2 6000+ ran at 3GHz ;)

Independent IMC clock is required for independent core clocking. Also enabled K10 to maintain same memory frequency across a range of CPU multipliers (K8 memory speed varied depending on CPU multi.). Same as in Griffin, Regor will have ability to clock cores at different speeds. I only hope AMD added option to completely shut down a core when not needed! That would be cool on a laptop!

thanks Lightman..

The only CPU I'm not sure if it still works is the 9850BE, due to the heating process to flow solder, I bent the package, and failed to straighten it before it cooled (it was ****** hot!) and it's stayed bent. Have to try reheat+straighten and see if it hasn't fractured any of the bumps under the die!

I'll post results tonight, as an idea though, Agena/Kuma like perf. clk/clk Looking at around..
2.5-10% on basic integer varies wildly
10-15% for gaming/3dmark, (With a 2000NB)
POV ray in the 20%+
Encoding 10-15%

and an interesting one.. SSE2 Mandrelbot bench.. ~75%

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karolis

What about power consumption?

Coming tonight also, need to swap a low power vid card in, or maybe throw them in a MINIX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans de Vries

Quick and dirty check:

45nm Regor: 8.2mm x 13.0mm = 107 mm^2
65nm Griffin: 11.1mm x 16.8mm = 186 mm^2

Regards, Hans

wow, Griffin was larger than I thought :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoqolatl

117.5, to be exact :D

Is that an official figure? My measurment may be a bit off, i'll borrow some decent verniers :)

CBJ: Re-run at 3ghz
05-31-2009, 03:52 PM
Glow9

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbjaust

It's a new mask, so no, it's dual core only and a such has no additional cores to unlock.

Sempron II anyone? Single -> dual core !!

Cheers

Was curious due to the thread in the news section
05-31-2009, 05:08 PM
Trunks

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

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Is that an official figure? My measurment may be a bit off, i'll borrow some decent verniers :)

yes

@xoqolatl darn you! :p:
05-31-2009, 11:14 PM
G.Foyle

I cannot confirm nor deny if it's official or not :) you will have to believe me :D
Based on die picture and this number I have estimated die width and length to be ~ 13.8 mm x 8.5 mm.
06-01-2009, 01:16 AM
Hans de Vries

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

wow, Griffin was larger than I thought :)

No, it's not that big, something got messed up here :eek:

This should be a better measurement from the photos,
assuming Socket S for Griffin (35x35mm) and Socket AM2
for Regor (40x40mm):

45nm Regor: 8.45 mm x 13.9 mm = 117 mm^2
65nm Griffin: 10.0 mm x 15.6 mm = 156 mm^2

Regards, Hans
06-01-2009, 04:26 AM
qcmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hans de Vries

( Edit: Jun, 1st ) This should be better a better measurement:

45nm Regor: 8.45 mm x 13.9 mm = 117 mm^2
65nm Griffin: 10.0 mm x 15.6 mm = 156 mm^2

Regards, Hans

117mm^2

A new breed of possibly mobile processors.
06-01-2009, 05:29 AM
mAJORD

Sounds better hans.. Still seems a good shrink considering the larger cores :)

Anyway I've updated the OP with out-of-box stock vs stock 6000+ comparisons, brisbane and windsor.

NOTE that's NOT my uARCH comparison tests.. I'm Re running them Vs Windsor at 2.8ghz to get equal RAM clocks (even multi), and at 2800NB (sync)
06-01-2009, 05:37 AM
qcmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

Sounds better hans.. Still seems a good shrink considering the larger cores :)

Anyway I've updated the OP with out-of-box stock vs stock 6000+ comparisons, brisbane and windsor.

NOTE that's NOT my uARCH comparison tests.. I'm Re running them Vs Windsor at 2.8ghz to get equal RAM clocks (even multi), and at 2800NB (sync)

most of the ~750M transistors go to the cache but not core.

Each core (with L1 + L2 cache) only consists less than 100M transistor.

Barcelona / Agena (4 core, ~4.5MB total cache): ~450M
Shanghai / Deneb (4 core, ~8.5MB total cache): ~750M
06-01-2009, 06:25 AM
informal

mAJORD great work man,you have ballz of steel :D.
The core looks sexy naked :).
I'm looking forward for your head on duel with K8 @ 2.8Ghz and synced NB for Regor at the same clock :). Keep it coming!
06-01-2009, 07:01 AM
Hans de Vries

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

Sounds better hans.. Still seems a good shrink considering the larger cores :)

Anyway I've updated the OP with out-of-box stock vs stock 6000+ comparisons, brisbane and windsor.

NOTE that's NOT my uARCH comparison tests.. I'm Re running them Vs Windsor at 2.8ghz to get equal RAM clocks (even multi), and at 2800NB (sync)

Nice! AMD's much needed μP for the mobile segment.

Regards, Hans
06-01-2009, 05:22 PM
mAJORD

Any requests for added benchmarks?

I'd like to re-run tonight, so pls post here
06-01-2009, 07:49 PM
qcmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

Any requests for added benchmarks?

I'd like to re-run tonight, so pls post here

I would like to know if the L2 cache is slower or faster than Phenom equivalent:D
06-01-2009, 08:32 PM
mAJORD

hi QC, I did test that with cpu-z latancy tool, but forgot to post results.. it's the same as Phenom..

L1: 3 Cycles
L2 15cycles..

so slower than windsor (12 cycles)
06-02-2009, 12:22 AM
qcmadness

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

hi QC, I did test that with cpu-z latancy tool, but forgot to post results.. it's the same as Phenom..

L1: 3 Cycles
L2 15cycles..

so slower than windsor (12 cycles)

Hello mAJORD:D

15-cycle L2 cache latency... but now the caching is more complex than before...
06-02-2009, 09:10 AM
imamage

Can you please try to run some Sandra / Everest Memory Bandwidth Test?
It should be interesting to see the difference with K8 and K10.5
Thanks !
06-02-2009, 09:23 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by mAJORD

hi QC, I did test that with cpu-z latancy tool, but forgot to post results.. it's the same as Phenom..

L1: 3 Cycles
L2 15cycles..

so slower than windsor (12 cycles)

Slower but has double width iirc(256bit wide).
06-02-2009, 10:38 AM
high5

mAJORD,

Could you please check whether kink's PhenomMsrTweaker works with Regor.

Thanks.
06-03-2009, 03:51 AM
mAJORD

no worries high5, if someone else hasn't by tommorow. Still getting k8 results.

imamage, sure. am including all the benchmark suite too.
06-03-2009, 05:09 PM
hstuehmeyer2000

Hey mAJORD, could you give me some undervolting numbers? My 7750BE is kind of toasty :)
06-05-2009, 06:40 AM
mAJORD

K8vs K10 uARCH comparison results posted!

Awaiting feedback and more benchmarks (and prepared to run new tests on both CPU's again!)

Updated OP with results, and descriptions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

Hey mAJORD, could you give me some undervolting numbers? My 7750BE is kind of toasty :)

will try to fit that in this w/e. i am interested also i have to say.

Quote:

Originally Posted by high5

mAJORD,

Could you please check whether kink's PhenomMsrTweaker works with Regor.

Thanks.

a no go. CPU type not supported on install :(

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