Anyone seen this XSPC Typhoon like 5.25 res?

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05-18-2009, 08:26 PM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS

omg this would make it so much easier for me to do dual loops, i already have both blocks, both radiators, and this reservoir for 2 x mcp355's. won't need any tops. for the DDC pumps which saves me about $20, and no need for another reservoir, which saves me another $20. great!

where can i buy? and how much???

http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-Dual-DD...r-pr-4457.html

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Originally Posted by Vapor

A piece of tubing connecting the "out" of one to the "in" of the other :stick:

Precisely my thoughts. Serial with this is pointless. Parallel or dual loops sharing the same res are the best(?) options.
05-18-2009, 08:26 PM
LOUISSSSS

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Originally Posted by Vapor

A piece of tubing connecting the "out" of one to the "in" of the other :stick:

can you please take a look at my picture of my loop in my signature? do you think that i'd be better off running dual loops or dual mcp355's in a series if i were to get a 2nd MCP355?

if all the water were to be mixed from the dual loops in the reservoir, wouldn't temps reach equilibrium eventually?
05-18-2009, 08:31 PM
DarthBeavis

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Originally Posted by XS_RoB

New I could count on you to comment since your in the guy's pockets :rolleyes:.......

I consider Geno and I to be friends. No pockets involved. Beyond that, my relationship to this particular product line is . . . .complicated. Let's just just say if I did not absolutely have total respect for Geno and his designs I would not be behind this.
05-18-2009, 08:43 PM
Bond Number

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Originally Posted by Snyxxx

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the problem with this reservoir. It is not setup for dual loops. Even if it did have a divider, the two water temps would equalize through heat transfer and void the purpose of dual loops.

I say this is not a good top. No good for series, no good for dual loops.

If you had a divider the temperature of the two loops would not equalize (As long as both loops are running). They are not in equilibrium, they would be at steady state. If the divider was acrylic (k=0 .2 W/m*K) you would have a heat transfer rate on the order of 1 watt per degree Kelvin ( I assumed 2 mm thickness and an area 200mm X 50mm). So if the temperature difference between the two reservoirs was 10 degrees you would only be transferring only 10 watts. You most likely would not even notice this difference because the loop residence time is so small.
05-18-2009, 08:54 PM
Helfarch

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Originally Posted by Vapor

A piece of tubing connecting the "out" of one to the "in" of the other :stick:

maybe actually look at the res.
05-18-2009, 09:07 PM
LOUISSSSS

yea i guess you won't be able to do dual pumps in a series with this reservoir. one pump will just be pumping into the other pump
05-18-2009, 09:20 PM
Helfarch

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Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS

yea i guess you won't be able to do dual pumps in a series with this reservoir. one pump will just be pumping into the other pump

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../facepalm4.jpg

both inlets are inside the res, it's effectively a double pump top.
05-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by LOUISSSSS

yea i guess you won't be able to do dual pumps in a series with this reservoir. one pump will just be pumping into the other pump

Well, actually you could, if you didn't mind losing a bit (most?) of the pressure you would normally gain from dual pumps by it being dumped back into the res. I'm sure there would be "some" boost, just not sure it would really be worth the trouble and expense. That's the "pointless" part of my last post.;)
05-19-2009, 12:00 AM
Mech0z

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

Well, actually you could, if you didn't mind losing a bit (most?) of the pressure you would normally gain from dual pumps by it being dumped back into the res. I'm sure there would be "some" boost, just not sure it would really be worth the trouble and expense. That's the "pointless" part of my last post.;)

Cant you just take some Y-Split and then feed both inlets from one Y plug and gather the water from both outlets from another Y plug?

I am just wondering if I got this with a laing ddc 10w (3.1, MCW350) would that be about the same noise as a MCW655-B (Setting 4)
05-19-2009, 12:12 AM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by Mech0z

Cant you just take some Y-Split and then feed both inlets from one Y plug and gather the water from both outlets from another Y plug?

That's a parallel setup.
05-19-2009, 01:05 AM
Mech0z

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Originally Posted by Waterlogged

That's a parallel setup.

Ahh right, but how would you rate the DDC3.1 vs D5 @ setting 4 ? I cant find any good spots to mount the D5 where it would hidden and not be in the way at some point in my V2110B.

The rad will be in the bottem compartment, and I was thinking Res -> pump -> rad -> cpu -> gpu

dont mind the cables, I havent done any cable management yet, will do when I get my cables sleeved later on.

http://imageload.dk/files/d74bd56e7d...8b887087dc.JPG
http://imageload.dk/files/5239096c5c...36aca253f3.JPG
05-19-2009, 01:38 AM
Waterlogged

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Originally Posted by Mech0z

Ahh right, but how would you rate the DDC3.1 vs D5 @ setting 4 ? I cant find any good spots to mount the D5 where it would hidden and not be in the way at some point in my V2110B.

The rad will be in the bottem compartment, and I was thinking Res -> pump -> rad -> cpu -> gpu

dont mind the cables, I havent done any cable management yet, will do when I get my cables sleeved later on.

Well, having never owned a D5, I can't really say. Going by Martin's and Laing's data, with the stock tops...numerically, it looks as though the D5@4 is a better pump.
05-19-2009, 03:21 AM
justin150

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Originally Posted by Snyxxx

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the problem with this reservoir. It is not setup for dual loops. Even if it did have a divider, the two water temps would equalize through heat transfer and void the purpose of dual loops.

I say this is not a good top. No good for series, no good for dual loops.

Well it will not give you max performance for two reasons:

1. As the man says, with a single reservoir the temperature evens out across both loops.

2. Pressure loss: this is just not as efficient as having pumps in series so if the order was res->pump1 -> blocks -> rad1 ->pump2 -> blocks -> rad2 -> res that works much better than having twin pumps running off a system where technically you have dual loops each running res->pump->blocks -> rad ->res. I know I have tried it

But if you are not looking to build an overclocking monster but something that is a it stylish, quiet and easy to maintain this looks good.

I have some concerns about vibration. I would much prefer that the pump mounting point had some anti-vibration material around them (petras gel or just some thick rubber would do).

In a lot of cases having the fill port on top is a pain because you have to slide the res out a little to get access which makes the build a little messy

Overall a nice idea but could be improved
05-19-2009, 03:48 AM
Snyxxx

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Originally Posted by Vapor

A piece of tubing connecting the "out" of one to the "in" of the other :stick:

The problem is the inlet for the other pump does not connect directly to the pump volute. The inlet from the reservoir sort of pushes close to the inlet of the pump, but not actually connected. This is more like a waterfall than a direct connect.

If you look at the picture long enough, I think the inlet tube has a gap at the inlet of the pump.

You will not get the pressure benefit of a series setup.
05-19-2009, 04:11 AM
Mech0z

So if they could make a version where the pump to the most left is left as it is now, but at the other pump the inlet is connected directly to the pump therefore making it serial connected.

Anyway as this product seems to be on the market already, I hope we hear some news on how well vibration is handled very soon.
05-19-2009, 04:40 AM
exemay

hmmm this looks pretty amazing, would solve the problem as to positioning pumps in my case.....any 1 got pictures of it with pumps in?>?
05-19-2009, 04:45 AM
[XC] Synthetickiller

I like this design, but it seems to be a PITA to fill without drilling a hole on the top of my case. It would also take up 3 drive bays. This is clearly meant for a large case, at least 4 slots if you want an odd and 5+ if you need fan controller(s).

Nice, but I'll pass.
05-19-2009, 04:50 AM
exemay

does this come with the prefomance top in it?
05-19-2009, 04:56 AM
WatZp

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Originally Posted by Snyxxx

The problem is the inlet for the other pump does not connect directly to the pump volute. The inlet from the reservoir sort of pushes close to the inlet of the pump, but not actually connected. This is more like a waterfall than a direct connect.

I agreed with you. I think we will lose pressure into res if we connect the pump directly.
05-19-2009, 07:17 AM
bluehaze

This looks like it would be hell with microbubbles. The inlets are so close to the pumps that the bubbles will just get sucked back in the loop and continue to recirculate without a chance to get out.
05-19-2009, 08:37 AM
naokaji

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Originally Posted by Snyxxx

Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner. This is the problem with this reservoir. It is not setup for dual loops. Even if it did have a divider, the two water temps would equalize through heat transfer and void the purpose of dual loops.

I say this is not a good top. No good for series, no good for dual loops.

Depends, if you have one loop running at its limits you could use it to offload some of the heat to the second loop.
05-19-2009, 08:38 AM
RCG_Bex

I should have this pretty soon - will try and get some photos of it with pumps (but I have no case to put it in for now)

~Bex
05-19-2009, 08:45 AM
XS_RoB

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Originally Posted by RCG_Bex

I should have this pretty soon - will try and get some photos of it with pumps (but I have no case to put it in for now)

~Bex

If you could post if it has a block/plug so that if you only want to use one pump as well that would be great!

I was thinking though - if it doesn't come with a plug - we could buy a spare Feser DDC O-ring then simply cut a piece of Acrylic, ABS, or similar to plug ourselves. :confused:

I cant wait to see it in action.
05-19-2009, 08:58 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

They need someone to take better photos of their products.... those pictures are crap... :stick:

product looks like a really top notch idea though. :up:.

one thing I would be concerned with is attaching two pumps running at two slightly different RPMs to the same top (a result of different restrictivity in loops). I know some of you have had wave physics but I think there is some concern about the beats caused by the frequency interactions of the vibrations - certainly they are not good for the durability of the material. It happens to the pumps in my system when the feet touch.
05-19-2009, 09:04 AM
Snyxxx

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Originally Posted by naokaji

Depends, if you have one loop running at its limits you could use it to offload some of the heat to the second loop.

Interesting point, but then why not just make one loop with the pumps in series. Seems the same result. :shrug:

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