XSPC RX360 radiator review

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02-23-2009, 01:45 PM
anubis_is_evil

Finally, the XSPC 360..

great review there HESmelaugh :up:

simple review, but with outstanding result...
02-23-2009, 01:54 PM
Mr. K6

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Originally Posted by HESmelaugh

Glad to have helped. And welcome to the small group of crazy people who run water in their PCs. :D

I don't know how fin density affects push/pull behaviour of a radiator. My guess would be that you can go with the results Martin posted some time ago: Link

I actually just read that yesterday :D. With such a lower fin density, I would hypothesize that it doesn't make much of a difference on the RX360. But anyway I was just wondering; thanks for the reply and the welcome!
02-23-2009, 02:13 PM
HESmelaugh

Edit: Oops, missed that there was another page here.

@NaeKuh: Thanks.
No, those are all measured values...

I was just writing some explanations when I realized: Skinnee uses Scythe Ultras for his high rpm right?
Seeing that they are 38mm and have a huuuge hub, I'm not surprised if they don't behave the same as my 25-mm-Yate Loons that I use for high rpms. ^^

I've got some news here, too:

Edit: Here is the data from the first post (Water-Ambient delta) shown as bar graphs so you can see the actual, numerical value for each of the radiators at each of the fan speeds.

1. Actual heat load: 289.9W
http://www.abload.de/img/bars300wig93.jpg

2. Actual heat load: 573.1W
http://www.abload.de/img/bars600w8c05.jpg
02-23-2009, 02:14 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

how are you measuring the heat load?

EDIT: now i see you are using heaters to test.... interesting
02-23-2009, 02:17 PM
HESmelaugh

I'm measuring the heat load with a wattage measuring thingy that I install in between the socket and the heaters... Damned if I know what that's called in english. ^^
02-23-2009, 02:37 PM
ILikeCosmosS

both tc and xspc rads are so close that would hardly make a advantage when cooling you cpu and such, i would go with xspc because i am not gonna pay extra money for the same performance rad
02-23-2009, 02:39 PM
Sparky

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Originally Posted by HESmelaugh

I'm measuring the heat load with a wattage measuring thingy that I install in between the socket and the heaters... Damned if I know what that's called in english. ^^

watt meter :D
02-23-2009, 02:39 PM
skinnee

Yup, for 2300RPM and 2800RPM I use Scythe Ultra Kaze (DFS123812H).

HES, what are those graphs in post #28 a measure of? Water Out-Air In delta? :shrug:

edit:
I gotta say, your charts are much better looking than mine. :D
02-23-2009, 02:45 PM
Kashelz

Hey, is it as results of test difference between room temps and water tems like delta T? I have tested my old rad in my room and my temps are pretty good I think compared with this test as I have Black Ice Pro 3 (thin) triple fan rad. I tested with 3 and 6 fans at 5 (800 rpm), 7 (1200 rpm) and 12 (1800 rpm) volts. I tested fan placement as push, pull and push/pull with 6 fans, with 3 fans best was push and all the way 6 fans on push pul is the best.

Here is my test and I want to understad is it worth to upgrade to thicker rad or not, looks like not, no big boost if I understand correctly :ROTF: My room temp is ~ 23 degrees and results are water temps mesured after rad. Heat is from Q6600 @ 3800 1.56v, its aprox 235 wats. Sorry, imige is in my native language, but I think its easy to understand, "velk" means pull and "pūš" as pull! :ROTF:

http://eoz.lv/attachment.php?attachm...7&d=1235424534
02-23-2009, 02:47 PM
HESmelaugh

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Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

watt meter :D

Ok, now I feel kinda stupid for not coming up with that myself... :p:

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinnee

Yup, for 2300RPM and 2800RPM I use Scythe Ultra Kaze (DFS123812H).

HES, what are those graphs in post #28 a measure of? Water Out-Air In delta? :shrug:

I have some 38mm Yate Loons that I was messing around with. They look almost identical to the Ultra Kaze.

Sorry for not clarifying about the graphs. Those are Water (average in and out)-Ambient delta temperatures.
Same data as in the graphs of the first post, but now with the actual numbers for each rad and fan speed.
02-23-2009, 02:51 PM
HESmelaugh

Kashelz, that's some really good data! Thanks for sharing.

It's hard to compare this to the above data though, simply because I don't know how much of the processor's heat actually gets dumped in the water.
How do you come up wit the estimate of 253W? Seems very high for a CPU.
02-23-2009, 02:51 PM
twwen2

Very nice review HESmelaugh.
It's good to see the XSPC performing up to scratch. :)
02-23-2009, 02:52 PM
skinnee

Thanks for clarifying! :up:

Good testing! Nice to see some comparisons for the work we do. I should have the RX write-up done this evening, I do like how we covered different RPM ranges though.

I need to share with you some of the calculations in Excel that will make some of the number crunching easier.
02-23-2009, 02:55 PM
Kashelz

"Those are Water (average in and out)-Ambient delta temperatures"

What is that test method? Whats about avarage? I did when testing just mesure temps out that comes cooled water (max that my temp sensor gave) and useing different rads in same room temp and fans you can easy mesure what is the bes rad from the tests, but whats after all after your mesurments??? :shakes:
02-23-2009, 03:02 PM
HESmelaugh

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Originally Posted by skinnee

Thanks for clarifying! :up:

Good testing! Nice to see some comparisons for the work we do. I should have the RX write-up done this evening, I do like how we covered different RPM ranges though.

I need to share with you some of the calculations in Excel that will make some of the number crunching easier.

Looking forward to your writeup on this.
And am also eager to learn from your Excel Skillz. :D

Bedtime for me now, but I'll check to see if your report is up tomorrow. :up:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kashelz

"Those are Water (average in and out)-Ambient delta temperatures"

What is that test method? Whats about avarage? I did when testing just mesure temps out that comes cooled water (max that my temp sensor gave) and useing different rads in same room temp and fans you can easy mesure what is the bes rad from the tests, but whats after all after your mesurments??? :shakes:

Check the first post for a relatively detailed description of my testing methods. I simply average out the temperatures from four separate temperature probes in the water instead of just one. I only do that so that the measuring errors from the sensors get evened out.
02-23-2009, 03:03 PM
Kashelz

And for my testing I use this web site to calculate watage of the CPU, dont know whats the real heat comes out but its warm, at stock load temps is under 50 degrees, now its 69 to 77 depends on fan speed. 2400 Mhz and 1.25v is stock, now its 3800 and 1.56 volts.

http://extreme.outervision.com/tools.jsp#cpuoc

And I think one sensor will not fail, no need to use more than one, as you use the same measurement device and temp. sensor to all rads to test water temp so they are comparable :)
02-23-2009, 04:33 PM
Martinm210

Bravo...Bravo!!!! I love all this awesome and very detailed testing going on, I appreciate all the work it takes, excellent precision and repeated testing!!:clap:

Keep up the awesome work:up:
02-23-2009, 04:40 PM
Grinch

great job :)
02-23-2009, 05:00 PM
atomic ferret

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Originally Posted by HESmelaugh

Thanks. What do you mean by that last line, though? I'm not getting it... :confused:

You can get the numerical values from here: Link.

Oh, I just realized that those aren't all of the numerical values from the test. I'll have to compile the others, too.
But don't add my data to your calculations just yet, because I don't know the actual wattage of my heaters. I'll get a gizmo for measuring that within the next days and then I'll post actual wattage and all of the numericals, ok?

@everyone: Thanks for the encouraging comments. Much appreciated. :)

He means that you have the water temperature on your chart followed by (K) denoting Kelvin instead of Celsius. I only wish it could cool water that well...
02-23-2009, 05:53 PM
defect9

only two of the blem-rads left for $71.95 at Jab-Tech: http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-RX360-T...r-pr-4384.html
02-23-2009, 06:57 PM
BringerOdeath

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Originally Posted by defect9

only two of the blem-rads left for $71.95 at Jab-Tech: http://www.jab-tech.com/XSPC-RX360-T...r-pr-4384.html

Hehehe, yeah! There was 8 or 9 when I ordered on friday night!!:cool: sold out now......
02-23-2009, 10:25 PM
defect9

and that deal is GONE!

Congrats everyone who got a deal and is willing to repaint their rads lol
02-23-2009, 10:31 PM
BringerOdeath

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Originally Posted by defect9

and that deal is GONE!

Congrats everyone who got a deal and is willing to repaint their rads lol

It might not need repainting, you don't know how big of a defect the paint has until you get it! You might not have almost any defect at all, now only petras has it in stock now for $94.95...:cool:
02-23-2009, 10:48 PM
HESmelaugh

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Originally Posted by atomic ferret

He means that you have the water temperature on your chart followed by (K) denoting Kelvin instead of Celsius. I only wish it could cool water that well...

Kelvin is used to describe temperature differences.
Whether I calculate the difference between 20°C and 30°C or the difference between 293.15K and 303.15K doesn't make a difference for the absolute temperatures.
02-24-2009, 05:40 PM
bot@xs

i got one from jab tech and it does not need repainting. looks fine to me.
good review btw. i thought that the rx360 would come close to the PA but not that close. now i am an even happier owner

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