Western Digital working on a 20,000 RPM Raptor

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08-18-2008, 12:18 PM
71 (Bryan)

dont try movin your case while its on, the centrif. forces will be huge
08-18-2008, 12:28 PM
GAR

WTH???? i wanna see this thing in action
08-18-2008, 12:50 PM
Jimmer411

Watch this be a $900 Drive too :(
08-18-2008, 12:53 PM
just a noob

wonder how much faster they can make them, before the platters decide to explode from the forces put on them, just from them spinning up on boot
08-18-2008, 02:11 PM
SamHughe

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Originally Posted by Ub3r-L33ch

I bet that it won't really be that much faster than anything else out there.

SOURCE: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/06...0-rpm-raptor/1

At the end of the article there is an advertisement: 64gb OCZ Core SSD $219 after rebate.:shrug:
08-18-2008, 02:41 PM
XS Janus

^LOL!
Snap!
08-18-2008, 03:02 PM
3lfk1ng

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Originally Posted by Shintai

I have a feeling that in 5 years. WD, Seagate etc will be some unknown names.

Nah, Seagate makes SSD's already.
08-18-2008, 03:24 PM
Helmore

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Originally Posted by 3lfk1ng

Nah, Seagate makes SSD's already.

I'm not sure what you mean by that, what does that Samsung drive have to do with Seagate?
08-18-2008, 04:48 PM
IvanAndreevich

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Originally Posted by m^2

I don't like the word "always".
Statements that use it are always wrong.:cool:
And, as mentioned before, tape drives was meant to be always cheaper than HDDs. Technology advances + scale change made it wrong. This will be the same.

They were not meant to be cheaper than HDD's. They are not even targetting the same market :down:
08-18-2008, 05:35 PM
falqon

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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich

To magnetize a unit of material will always be cheaper than to produce a unit of flash memory. Both benefit from Moore's law.

Umm, while I'm certianly not the biggest fan of its overuse, you're arguing that magnetized disks benefit from "the number of transistors that can be inexpensively placed on an integrated circuit is increasing exponentially, doubling approximately every two years" :down:

I would be surprised if potential 20k isn't more server oriented with a benefit of selling a high margin product to a small group of pc enthusiasts.
08-18-2008, 06:53 PM
IvanAndreevich

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Originally Posted by falqon

Umm, while I'm certianly not the biggest fan of its overuse, you're arguing that magnetized disks benefit from "the number of transistors that can be inexpensively placed on an integrated circuit is increasing exponentially, doubling approximately every two years" :down:

I would be surprised if potential 20k isn't more server oriented with a benefit of selling a high margin product to a small group of pc enthusiasts.

Sorry, poorly worded. I meant that both are growing in capacity at an exponential rate.

Without a doubt, SSD can replace this potential 20K RPM drive. Just not all HDD's.
08-18-2008, 07:45 PM
vengance_01

While I agree SSD's are great and offer a very nice increase in performance, price and performance is just not there. And you have to remember we make up a very small percentage of the market. Do you think it matters if a program takes an extra few seconds to load? No. I feel it will be years before we see the same price and performance in SSD's.
08-18-2008, 08:29 PM
[XC] Lead Head

I'd begin to question bearing life at those rotational speeds, especially since this is targeted more towards enthusiasts then the server segment
08-18-2008, 09:19 PM
oohms

Id buy one of these over an SSD, at the same price and capacity.
08-18-2008, 10:11 PM
Aberration

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Originally Posted by Zaskar

Guess their really riding this magnetic platter train all the way to the end instead of investing funds into solid state research, that's a shame.

No, it is their only option. For companies like this that are so invested in traditional HDD, they have to do everything they possibly can to prevent their products from becoming obsolete. Most of the HDD manufactures arent going to be able to catch up if they started investing in SSD now.

While I like the move to SSD and the potential they show, they are also going to be putting a few companies out of business.
08-18-2008, 10:43 PM
Glyph

noise of that new drive might be deafening.

"IS THAT THE NEW 20K RAPTOR IN YOUR RIG?"

"WHAT?"
08-18-2008, 10:59 PM
guess2098

Speed, SSD > HDD
Price, SSD > HDD
RMA rate, SSD > HDD

SSD = RAM which its RMA, DOA, damage rate much higher than HDD that is for sure

Plus, you cannot use SSD to attack, but your HDD is good for protection lol
08-18-2008, 11:25 PM
Nanometer

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

I feel this is a bit ... 5 years late to the market

I agree. I've said once before, but the hard drive progress has been pathetic the last 5 years.
08-19-2008, 12:07 AM
Mortal

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Originally Posted by Glyph

noise of that new drive might be deafening.

"IS THAT THE NEW 20K RAPTOR IN YOUR RIG?"

"WHAT?"

LMAO! :ROTF:
08-19-2008, 12:15 AM
flopper

does it come with a lazer sword?
08-19-2008, 01:13 AM
m^2

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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich

They were not meant to be cheaper than HDD's.

Because they can't be yet.

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Originally Posted by IvanAndreevich

They are not even targetting the same market :down:

Currently they are meant to be the only storage device in mobile and rugged computers. This is the same market as small HDDs.

Also, they are meant to be small and fast storage - that's exactly where Raptor is now.

Also, in enterprise market, they are used for storing bigger amounts of data (not as big as HDDs yet though ) even when their speed is not that important.
http://www.superssd.com/products/ramsan-440/
In this case, flash is used because it's cheap enough. And makes the whole ram disk start up quicker which is a rare case as such things aren't meant to be shut down too often.
08-19-2008, 10:36 PM
aireent777

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Originally Posted by Rattle

its ok i just bought a 150gb velociraptor by the time i have outgrown in, SSD's will be faster and cheaper.

Rattle, where did you purchase your Velociraptor 150s?
08-19-2008, 10:58 PM
dinos22

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Originally Posted by eva2000

20k not enough.. bring on 30,000RPM drives :D

:rofl: maybe we can overclock it :D
08-20-2008, 02:52 AM
Levish

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Originally Posted by Aberration

No, it is their only option. For companies like this that are so invested in traditional HDD, they have to do everything they possibly can to prevent their products from becoming obsolete. Most of the HDD manufactures arent going to be able to catch up if they started investing in SSD now.

While I like the move to SSD and the potential they show, they are also going to be putting a few companies out of business.

its still just a matter of time till flash drives mature enough, i'm not going to argue that traditional drives don't have a place now.

Probably in 1-2 years tops given the rate that flash drives have taken all of a sudden they might be a moot point from a capacity, speed and reliability perspective.
08-20-2008, 09:18 AM
Bobsama

Only thing is SSDs have lost traction in data centers. Their failure rates are astonishing--especially compared to HDDs. You simply can't rely on them--and replacing a drive twice or more a year becomes quite a burden on human resources. For the price of a decent SSD, you can buy a high-grade SCSI drive of equal capacity, though that SCSI drive has an advantage in reliability and they're about equal in read/write speeds. Only thing is SSDs have nearly no access time, though that doesn't help them once they start dying.

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