Teaser: 4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer Red

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03-01-2008, 03:12 AM
K404

:confused: :eek:

Provisional oops then.

I wont pop the heatspreaders on these, someone else can risk their RAM :p:
03-01-2008, 01:48 PM
DerekT

Quote:

Originally Posted by K404

:confused: :eek:

Provisional oops then.

I wont pop the heatspreaders on these, someone else can risk their RAM :p:

I certainly understand :D

I'm very interested in the overclocks you receive from this product as it is easy to see if they are PSC IC's because that's all there is out there at the moment and they have the characteristic of a high tRFC (52) at Auto. They are not great overclocks either so if you receive higher overclocks than they do, then very likely they are not PSC.
03-01-2008, 02:42 PM
Spyrus

tRFC is drawback for all 2GB sticks regardless the IC.
03-01-2008, 06:27 PM
DerekT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyrus

tRFC is drawback for all 2GB sticks regardless the IC.

This could well be so. Certainly the Corsair 8500C5 4GB and G.Skill 8500C5 4GB respond pretty much in exactly the same way. If the Crucials were Micron's then Micron would be posting their ICs on their website. There is no information there.
03-01-2008, 06:40 PM
fordf250

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

1100+ at 2.1 @ 5-5-5-15 with ease

Something most PSC can not do.

Is that 1:1 or with a divider? I have some adata 2x2G $87 that does 1066 at 2V and 5:6 divider but not over 475fsb 1:1.
03-02-2008, 02:01 AM
K404

The NB might not be able to hack it- does strap, cooling or volts help any?

Im surprised this thread has so much interest, while my actual review thread has only a % of the views and replies :p:
03-02-2008, 02:40 AM
Spyrus

There is no difference for the nb behavior regarding voltages/strap/dividers
when overclocking 2 sticks if they are 2x256 or 2x2GB.
03-02-2008, 07:47 PM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerekT

That is NOT so. Crucial is a subsidary of Micron and is a business in it's own right. Crucial uses Elpida and other IC's for their Rendition series so I would like to see the Micron stamp on these Crucial IC's to see if they are in fact, Micron. Since Micron is not showing any 4GB kits in their samplings, I would have to see the markings.

http://www.micron.com/products/dram/...tatus=Sampling

If you arent going to feel better until you see a photo -- dont ask me to. Crucial switched to VERY sticky thermal tape and removed the clips. The small IC is fragile and I'm not killing a pair of 150 dollar memory. I've already done that once with 78nm micron on GEIL's.

You can see the shape of the 78nm IC, it is unique to Micron atm.

I can tell you that this stuff has ZERO problems running at 1066MHz @ 1.8V 5-5-5-15, rather impressive. The unimpressive part is its lack of ability to scale with voltage, similar to how D9HNL operates.

If you wanna argue about it more, go somewhere else, this stuff kicks arse :).

Bottom line - I dont have any other 4GB kits that can run at 1066MHz at 1.8V
03-02-2008, 08:24 PM
guess2098

no one post any screen shot?
03-02-2008, 10:05 PM
aldave

are they trying to support that (red) charity thing or something?
03-02-2008, 11:41 PM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by guess2098

no one post any screen shot?

1150 max @ 5-5-5-15 w/ 2.1~2.2

high 1000's with 1.8V

I can almost do 1100 at 1.8 but after ~15 hours of prime it starts to throw up a few errors. 1066 worked just fine for 24 hours of memtest and i am currently doing 24 hours of prime95/futuremark runs.
03-02-2008, 11:47 PM
Spyrus

Are the sticks on open-air with fan or inside case and with no fans?
03-03-2008, 01:31 AM
DerekT

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

If you arent going to feel better until you see a photo -- dont ask me to.

I don't need a photo and did not ask you to show one. Sooner or later the truth will come out. As it is, I find it interesting that Micron is NOT posting any information regarding a release. Normally when Crucial releases Micron DRAM, they press release them. Nothing so far...

But let's face it. Results and performance are what matter. Taking 1066 at 1.8, add ~.3 - .4v to gain 84Mhz? That's what I call a diminishing return for me personally.

2GB Micron D9GMH @ 1200Mhz with 5-5-5-9
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...08/36-1200.jpg
4GB Corsair 8500C5 @ 5-5-3-15
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/h...kT2008/4gb.jpg

I'm fine with this set at any rate. Dropped my Northbridge from 1.4v to 1.2v. Transaction booster at level 1 works and this raised the throughput considerably. Would not work with the Microns.

Yes, I'm fine with it.
03-03-2008, 01:37 AM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

If you arent going to feel better until you see a photo -- dont ask me to. Crucial switched to VERY sticky thermal tape and removed the clips. The small IC is fragile and I'm not killing a pair of 150 dollar memory. I've already done that once with 78nm micron on GEIL's.

You can see the shape of the 78nm IC, it is unique to Micron atm.

I can tell you that this stuff has ZERO problems running at 1066MHz @ 1.8V 5-5-5-15, rather impressive. The unimpressive part is its lack of ability to scale with voltage, similar to how D9HNL operates.

If you wanna argue about it more, go somewhere else, this stuff kicks arse :).

Bottom line - I dont have any other 4GB kits that can run at 1066MHz at 1.8V

I'm currently running my friend's G.Skill PC8500 @ 1066MHz 5-5-3-13 1,8v with zero problems too. With those high binned Powerchips 1066 at 1,8v has already been achieved for a long time. The next barrier is 1100+ at 1,8v.
03-03-2008, 01:52 AM
Spyrus

If they are powerchips the best you can do is up to 2.1V.
If not then they can scale up to 30MHz with 2.1-2.3V
03-03-2008, 01:54 AM
Omastar

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

What blows me away is the low voltage capability

Currently testing at 1050 @ 1.8V and it is stable -- if I can hit 1100MHz @ 1.8V, i will be a happy person.

So would you say these new Tracers wall around the same speeds as the Powerchip-based G. Skill 4GBPQs, just at lower volts?
03-03-2008, 12:53 PM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omastar

So would you say these new Tracers wall around the same speeds as the Powerchip-based G. Skill 4GBPQs, just at lower volts?

ive never tested those, just the 1000MHz gskill 4gb kit
03-03-2008, 03:52 PM
Omastar

Quote:

Originally Posted by irev210

ive never tested those, just the 1000MHz gskill 4gb kit

That's what I'm referring to: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231145

:)
03-03-2008, 07:27 PM
Mungri

So these definately do look nice then!

But I still want a set that can do 1200 mhz :p
03-03-2008, 07:50 PM
zfactor

http://www.crucial.com/store/partspe...2KIT25664AA804
03-04-2008, 12:18 AM
TEDY

i tried lower then 2.05v 1066 with mine GSKILL....no go :S
03-04-2008, 08:06 AM
stephen23

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

So these definately do look nice then!

But I still want a set that can do 1200 mhz :p

so get a pair of ballistix 1066 16FD5 batch (double side)!
03-04-2008, 01:44 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

Does anyone know the price for the tracers when they come out? I am considering ordering the regular 2x2 ballistix kit. My G-skill 2x2 can't OC well at all 1:1 and I miss my old ballistix I blew out 4 months ago.

I want to get 4 gigs and if that works well, add another 4 gigs so I have no page file usage while emulating vista in ubuntu.

I'm expecting these to do at least 450 1:1, so that'll work out more than fine for my quad. If these bad boys can do 500 1:1, then I'm set and might try to push my quad to 4.0ghz again.
03-04-2008, 01:51 PM
TEDY

http://www.hpm-computer.de/product_i...racer-RED.html

119€.
03-04-2008, 02:50 PM
[XC] Synthetickiller

Quote:

Originally Posted by K404

:confused: :eek:

Provisional oops then.

I wont pop the heatspreaders on these, someone else can risk their RAM :p:

Since you won't pop em, this guy did.

http://www.cpu3d.com/content/view/4148/67/

Enjoy!

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