GEIL GOES TO HELL-Frankie doesn't go to Hollywood

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03-18-2007, 04:50 AM
Postal Dude

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLi_dog

The old GEIL PC6400 Ultra used to be micron based.
I've got a set of the new ones and in early testing they do 12 hour memtest stable 469Mhz 4-4-4-13-2T @2.12v. Not bad for only AUD$320, it certainly doesn't suck ;).

They are supposed to use Elpidia and PowerChip now. :)

How do these chip revisions clock? i know micron are obviously alot better. Im not the least bit bothered with timings. just want maximum OC with my 6400 :D
03-18-2007, 05:56 AM
trans am

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Originally Posted by MartianInvader

Did you set those subtimings or where they selected by the mobo? Anyway, for 'bad' sticks they clock pretty nice imho

Yes I set all the timings manually including alpha timings.
I agree with you. Everyones saying how bad they are but I've seen D9 do worse.
03-18-2007, 02:07 PM
Hutch

Those subtimings are HORRID!
03-18-2007, 03:48 PM
irev210

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLi_dog

The old GEIL PC6400 Ultra used to be micron based.
I've got a set of the new ones and in early testing they do 12 hour memtest stable 469Mhz 4-4-4-13-2T @2.12v. Not bad for only AUD$320, it certainly doesn't suck ;).

im just talking about this particular set.

It really sucks.
03-18-2007, 04:13 PM
Avman

Off topic: Trans_am, what's the pencil mod you refer to in your sig?
03-18-2007, 04:49 PM
G.Foyle

Try finding a company that has BGA soldering machine, maybe they could solder them back...

I had those sticks, but I must have gooten a bad sample... the wouldn't ru stable at rated timings & freq even. Highest stable freq = 804 MHz @ 5-5-5-15, highest stable volts = 1.975V, they ra hot like hell, the fil covering shiny "GeIL" letters rolled and melted from heat :eek:
03-18-2007, 04:55 PM
gundamit

Did you at least get the free t-shirt? :D Yeah I'll admit I was curious about these sticks because of the price and the voltage range. Thanks for doing the leg work. :thumbsup:
03-18-2007, 05:31 PM
Marvin_The_Martian

Quote:

Originally Posted by trans am

Yes I set all the timings manually

The subtimings are indeed horrid, thought the bios set those that high but if you did... why? :stick:
03-18-2007, 07:52 PM
Rone

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLi_dog

They are supposed to use Elpidia and PowerChip now. :)

As far as I know Powerchip was never used on GeIL-memory.
Of course there's a first time for everything, but until then it's either Aeneon or Elpida.
Both have been confirmed and are still possible, unlike Micron.
03-19-2007, 07:40 AM
trans am

Quote:

Originally Posted by gundamit

Did you at least get the free t-shirt? :D Yeah I'll admit I was curious about these sticks because of the price and the voltage range. Thanks for doing the leg work. :thumbsup:

you're welcome

Quote:

Originally Posted by xoqolatl

Try finding a company that has BGA soldering machine, maybe they could solder them back...
I tossed that stick already

I had those sticks, but I must have gooten a bad sample... the wouldn't ru stable at rated timings & freq even. Highest stable freq = 804 MHz @ 5-5-5-15, highest stable volts = 1.975V, they ra hot like hell, the fil covering shiny "GeIL" letters rolled and melted from heat :eek:

yikes! I ran 1.45v into these and had a 120 yate blowing on them. no problems at all.

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Originally Posted by MartianInvader

The subtimings are indeed horrid, thought the bios set those that high but if you did... why? :stick:

Yeah I set them high for a reason. I had to to hit those speeds. I'm sure I could've tightened them down but I'm not going to waste anymore time with this ram. When I test sticks I start by running really lax alpha timings and then max the ram out as high as possible then tighten the timings from there. Here I didn't go that far. But I wanted everyone to see the complete timings so I'm not misleading anyone.

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Originally Posted by Avman

Off topic: Trans_am, what's the pencil mod you refer to in your sig?

use the search and type p5b pencil mod or vdroop mod. It's the like finding the Holy Grail for P5B dlx users.
03-19-2007, 02:14 PM
andyOCZ

The chips must have been soldered on ther REAL WELL. :)
03-19-2007, 02:21 PM
justin_c

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Originally Posted by SoF

too bad it killed the stick, but at least one of thoose pictures for the gallery you will tell your children about :D

good chips anyway

Yes exactly SoF!
Sorry about your loss. I've blown two sets of RAM, both have been RMAed, but nothing as tragic as that.
03-19-2007, 02:25 PM
J-Mag

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyOCZ

The chips must have been soldered on ther REAL WELL. :)

Well NY has been relatively cold, if they were in NY ambient I could see that happening no prob.
03-19-2007, 02:50 PM
andyOCZ

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Originally Posted by J-Mag

Well NY has been relatively cold, if they were in NY ambient I could see that happening no prob.

Good point there. You think he was working outdoors? ;)
03-19-2007, 02:52 PM
rvd

Doh"
03-19-2007, 03:23 PM
J-Mag

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Originally Posted by andyOCZ

Good point there. You think he was working outdoors? ;)

Nah, but I doubt he leaves his heater on while at work, either ;)

Edit: N/M I am still thinking in California mindset. I forget about the whole freezing of pipes deal.
03-19-2007, 04:17 PM
Avman

[/QUOTE]use the search and type p5b pencil mod or vdroop mod. It's the like finding the Holy Grail for P5B dlx users.[/QUOTE]

Found it, did it, 1.60v went to 1.67v - perfect.

Many thanks
03-19-2007, 09:06 PM
nicepun

Can some think this be fixed? Reattaching the ICs to the PCB?
03-20-2007, 02:54 AM
G.Foyle

Like I said, better try soldering them back on a BGA soldering machine (cell phone service should have one) than throw them away. If you try they might work, if you throw them away they will not work definitely.
A friend of mine once moved 8 memory chips from dead Radeon 9800Pro to another Radeon, and it worked without a glitch.

BTW if they worked and OCed well that would really be extreme ;) you would have something to tell about your granchildren
03-20-2007, 04:06 AM
Bluebeard

simply soldering back would almost be impossible - chips need to be re-balled first and for only a few this will be even more expensive then buying new chips
03-20-2007, 04:58 AM
SLi_dog

Quote:

Originally Posted by r00n

As far as I know Powerchip was never used on GeIL-memory.
Of course there's a first time for everything, but until then it's either Aeneon or Elpida.
Both have been confirmed and are still possible, unlike Micron.

They generaly use Powerchip and Elpidia for DDR800 now.
03-20-2007, 06:33 AM
Postal Dude

Is there any documentation on how the elpida stuff overclocks?
Volts/timing combinations for max clocks. cheers
03-20-2007, 07:11 AM
Rone

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLi_dog

They generaly use Powerchip and Elpidia for DDR800 now.

Yes, on Value modules with the silver heatspreader (GX22GB6400DCK).
Not on PC6400 Ultra with the orange heatspreader (GX22GB6400UDC).

That's what I meant. :)
03-20-2007, 10:13 PM
Kabauterman

LOL

bad solderring of the chips,
but y do you wan't to know what is unter the HS even when the sticks sucks so much in Clock and Timings.

Have you heat up the HS with a hairdryer ???
03-21-2007, 07:46 PM
ooeric

you got pwned. nuff said.

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