BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 and Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz OC!!!

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03-06-2007, 01:20 AM
mAJORD

What voltage are you up to now ruslan?

I've been running 1.52v vcore 24/7 on this 4000+ brisbane whilst I do some long term comparitive game tests over a few weeks @ 3gig. It's actually quite cool still at these voltages compared to a windsor at say 1.45 so you should be able to push it with good cooling if you're not allready.

Try running clockgen if you just want to validate some high clocks :)
03-06-2007, 04:51 AM
Ruslan

the voltage is 1.45 in bios
03-06-2007, 06:19 AM
arisythila

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

yo yo yo - I wasn't threadcrapping. I already said nice OC and nice bang for buck.

I just thought the comparison was a bit invalid. That's all.

I personally don't think that its a bad comparison. E6600 runs what 350 bucks? This processor runs 100 bucks. The comparison, was for 100 bucks, it overclocks well enough to keep up with a stock E6600. It seems valid to me.

Its like saying my car, which is 4,000 dollars, w/ 5,000 dollars of mods, keeps up with a Corvette Z06, a car that cost 60,000 dollars. Thats a damn good value, I get the speed and handling of the Corvette for 9000 dollars.

Seems very valid to me.

~Mike
03-06-2007, 06:27 AM
Ruslan

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

In theory this is a great idea. In practice it is nearly impossible.

To do this you would have to get EVERYONE to agree on some measure of performance and use that in your calculations.

Considering that NO ONE will agree on this (Intel guys would want SuperPi and other cache and integer intensive apps, AMD guys would be heavily skewed toward memory intensive apps) this will not happen.

You could say AMD is 2X bang for buck in FPU and memory intensive code, and then with the EXACT same setup run some benchmarks in which the C2D setup spanks the living CRAP out of the AMD setup in video encoding.

This is been the GREATEST problem facing benchmark writers for over a decade. What code to include/not include in a benchmark, and they how the different code should be weighted to come to a number that defines over system performance (and you need ONE number if you are going to calculate a Bang to Buck Ratio like you propose).

I understand where you are coming from... but this is a rough analysis.
So roughly this combo keeps up with a stock E6600... give or take... Not a peeing contest in every category. I will also like to add that this is faster than the stock E4300 and E6300 and E6400. Again Roughly.:fact:
03-06-2007, 06:35 AM
Ruslan

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

Sure, I agree. OC vs. stock it is faster. But who here on XS buys one of these and does NOT OC it?

OC vs. OC for guys like us a far more valid comparison, but I do get you point.

Those that are on a budget here at XS would probably like to know what this thing is capable of. also everyone here at XS KNOWS that an OCed C2D will wipe the floor with this CPU. Also I'm sure EVERYONE here knows what I was trying to say by comparing this to a stock C2D. One more thing to decently OC a C2D you NEED to invest ALOT more money than you would in this box. I would say around 2.4X the amount of cash.
03-06-2007, 06:37 AM
arisythila

But the whole combo is $149.99 shipped Or (Intel) ~150 + 120 = 270 dollars. Its still WAY out of this price range. This is what they were commenting on.

We know that conroe is ~25% faster depending on applications. But you still have to pay for performance. The guy already bought this combo, It kinda sucks that everybody shoots people down that maybe cant afford as much as other people. Im the kind of person that will buy a an AMD 4000+ and overclock it to FX-62 Speeds(2.8GHz) and say thats a great value, a 150 dollar CPU that runs JUST as fast as a FX-62(450.00)... Cant beat that. Of course the FX-62 overclock should run faster than the 150 dollar CPU, it cost more. but value wise, the 4000+ is a good value. Regardless if its Intel, AMD, or VIA.

So its okay to compare a 10,000 dollar setup with a 20,000 dollar setup, or maybe a 1,000 dollar setup with a 2,000 dollar setup? I don't think compairing this to a system that roughly cost 180% more than it does.

What the OP is trying to say, for 150 bucks, you cant beat the performance you get. for 150 dollars you get performance that of a E6600 on a Gigabyte DS3(~500 dollars)

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

Or i could say this:

E4300 is ~$150, and Gigabyte DS3 is about $120.

The E4300 will hit 3.3-3.5GHz EASILY because of it's high divider. At that speed you are getting at LEAST 25% more performance (again, depending on application) than the 3GHz Brisbane. For $120.

So, it comes down to this, is the 25% worth $120? That is something someone should ask himself.

It's not comparing a $500 setup to a $150 one, it is comparing a $270 setup to a $150 one.

For some, $120 is chump change. For others it is a LOT of money. Depends on the user.

Bang for buck, I would say the AMD edges it out unless you REALLY want that 25% extra performance that you just can't get from an AMD setup without going to dual sockets.
03-06-2007, 06:53 AM
arisythila

Hrmmm.. I was actually saying its 1.8 times more. carry the decimel over 2 times to the right = 180%. I also checked my math 150 + 180% = 270

You can also check it at your computer by pushing (Windows sign) + r type in calc , and type in the numbers like so 150 + 180 and hit the percent sign. comes up to 270.

~Mike
03-06-2007, 06:58 AM
arisythila

yes, but its 150(AMD) 270(Intel) not 120 and 150. so I set AMD @ 150 dollars as the base line, there in, 270 dollars of 150 is 1.8 which makes it 180% higher price than AMD's (baseline)

~Mike
03-06-2007, 07:16 AM
arisythila

I must have went to the wrong college, that or I forget everything i learned. I need to break out the books again. I'm usually pretty good with math. Now im all disorientated.
03-06-2007, 07:17 AM
Ruslan

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail $313.00
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 LGA 775 Intel G965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $122.99
Total:$435.99

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Brisbane 1.9GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADO3600IAA5DL - OEM
BIOSTAR TFORCE 550 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 550 MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $150
KINGWIN BA-12 120mm Ball CPU Cooler - Retail $25.99 Awesome Cooler BTW
Total:$175.99

Assuming the rest of the components are they same.
:fact:
03-06-2007, 08:56 AM
VulgarHandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by arisythila

I must have went to the wrong college, that or I forget everything i learned. I need to break out the books again. I'm usually pretty good with math. Now im all disorientated.

your math is off....
10 + 100% = 20
10 + 80% = 18
10 + 180% = 28
10 x 1.8 = 18
10 x 2 = 20
10 x 2.8 = 28

but yeah, can't beat $150 cpu/mobo combo performing roughly the same as the E6600, which lists at $313 for the cpu alone at the same store...

it's like this, you can get a cpu, or you can get a cpu/mobo/2gb ddr2 800ram, ro cpu/mobo/psu/case or cpu/mobo/decent vid card, and all these combinations, when oc'd, will gain you similar performance cpu to cpu

i think that's awesome, and wondering if i can mod my SS to a water chiller myself....to avoid cold bug of course
03-06-2007, 09:09 AM
Ruslan

Quote:

Originally Posted by brentpresley

Replace the Intel chip w/ an E4300 for ~$150. That is a much more VALID comparison.

Otherwise I'm going to start posting how an overclocked E4300 can spank the living crap out of a stock FX-6x. :fact:

It will be about ~$120 more for the C2D E4300... to some that is a difference ;)
By the was the E4300 is the crap of the bunch.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ighlight=e4300
03-06-2007, 09:16 AM
Ruslan

Agreed.

Case Closed !
03-07-2007, 06:46 AM
hstuehmeyer2000

my new system that i ordered has the most bang for the buck that i have ever seen

opteron 1212 $90 shipped
Biostar tforce 6100 am2 $46 shipped
1gb ADATA PC2 6400 $70 shipped
Arctic A64 Freezer Pro $13 shipped
03-07-2007, 07:13 AM
Ruslan

Quote:

Originally Posted by hstuehmeyer2000

my new system that i ordered has the most bang for the buck that i have ever seen

opteron 1212 $90 shipped
Biostar tforce 6100 am2 $46 shipped
1gb ADATA PC2 6400 $70 shipped
Arctic A64 Freezer Pro $13 shipped

Thats a good one for the price!
03-07-2007, 07:39 AM
arisythila

yeah very good price.

~Mike
03-07-2007, 09:24 AM
Ruslan

Well I did some more testing

And I settled for a clock of 2.85 GHZ as my final clock for this box for a few reasons.
1. the voltage is low. (1.4 in bios)
the rest of the voltages are + .05 to the NB and HT. mem is at 2.1
so thats 300 X 9.5.
The CPU cooling choice I made for this box is horrible.
ASUS Chilly Vent Lux 80mm Sleeve CPU Cooler.
It was a very bad choice but I really wanted to see it.
Like I said before I built 2 of these slightly different from one another and I'm very pleased with the results. I booted into windows at 3.170 (333X9.5) sorry dint take a screen shot. running at that speed makes very little difference for everyday use. The perfect system for when your friend comes to you and says I have $600 to spend.
03-07-2007, 02:55 PM
hstuehmeyer2000

i almost bought that a data for my system until i found a better value, i got a stick of 1gb stick of original micron pc2 6400 cl5 for $68 shipped, now thats value!!
03-07-2007, 09:51 PM
funnyperson1

Imho for the price point, this is the best deal you can get. I think the comparison to a Core 2 Duo by itself is a valid one. When I can get a motherboard, cpu and 2 gigs of ram for the price of an E6600, and get 70-80% of the performance its pretty obvious to me which is the better bang for the buck.

Now for those who don't consider $120 to be a lot of money, why would they be considering this combo in the first place. I had a decision to make between getting an E4300 and this combo, and I figured that I could get the X2 and get 2gb of ram for less than an E4300 system that at best would be 20% faster.

I don't think that the point was that this combo was a better choice than an E6600, just pointing out how much one could get for that price. I know the fact that an E4300 cost more than this combo factored in a great deal with my decision.
03-08-2007, 05:57 AM
Ruslan

Yes

Quote:

Originally Posted by funnyperson1

Imho for the price point, this is the best deal you can get. I think the comparison to a Core 2 Duo by itself is a valid one. When I can get a motherboard, cpu and 2 gigs of ram for the price of an E6600, and get 70-80% of the performance its pretty obvious to me which is the better bang for the buck.

Now for those who don't consider $120 to be a lot of money, why would they be considering this combo in the first place. I had a decision to make between getting an E4300 and this combo, and I figured that I could get the X2 and get 2gb of ram for less than an E4300 system that at best would be 20% faster.

I don't think that the point was that this combo was a better choice than an E6600, just pointing out how much one could get for that price. I know the fact that an E4300 cost more than this combo factored in a great deal with my decision.

Getting this and a better Video card is better than an E6600 or even a E6400 if your on a budget. if not then well...:slobber: E6600
03-08-2007, 10:16 AM
Sparky

*sigh*

Please guys, can't we keep an AMD thread clean of intel, just for once.... Haven't we argued this stuff out enough already?

Why don't we keep the thread on topic. Those are nice clocks. Maybe I missed it, but what cooling is this under?
03-08-2007, 10:24 AM
Ruslan

Quote:

Originally Posted by SparkyJJO

*sigh*

Please guys, can't we keep an AMD thread clean of intel, just for once.... Haven't we argued this stuff out enough already?

Why don't we keep the thread on topic. Those are nice clocks. Maybe I missed it, but what cooling is this under?

The cooling is this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835101005
It's horrible. but the cpu runs soo cool it will not pass 46 cel. it has a really flat surface.
http://justoverclockit.com/pics/IMG_1291.jpg

As for keeping the thread clean it is very unlikely for plenty of reasons ;)
03-08-2007, 10:34 AM
Sparky

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruslan

The cooling is this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835101005
It's horrible. but the cpu runs soo cool it will not pass 46 cel. it has a really flat surface.
http://justoverclockit.com/pics/IMG_1291.jpg

As for keeping the thread clean it is very unlikely for plenty of reasons ;)

Hey, at least it matches your mobo colors pretty well :p:

Yeah I know it is unlikely, but still, can't we try.... How about this, we start small - 24 hours with no amd-intel bashing back and forth in either the AMD or the Intel section, instead duke it out in gen hardware if you so desire. Hmm that may be asking a bit much.... :rolleyes: :p:
03-08-2007, 10:35 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruslan

The cooling is this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835101005
It's horrible. but the cpu runs soo cool it will not pass 46 cel. it has a really flat surface.
http://justoverclockit.com/pics/IMG_1291.jpg

As for keeping the thread clean it is very unlikely for plenty of reasons ;)

Ah the intel fans are just jealous cos the Brisbanes are just such a good value for the buck :D.

You said 46 deg. cel.?Wow those are very cool temps.,these die shrinks are looking very very good.

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