I guess it's worth a try then. It's not much bother upgrading to an HE120.3 should my temps suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
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I guess it's worth a try then. It's not much bother upgrading to an HE120.3 should my temps suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
thats a good point. also if it really came down to it, for the purposes of maxing it out on water, you could air cool the gfx for the time beingQuote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
I still find it odd that my CPU pushes out so much heat, compared with similar setups. But I guess that's just more incentive for me to get off my ass and get better cooling :p:
i don't see yoru stepping in the first post. what are you average temps and clocks you've been seeing from others?Quote:
Originally Posted by masterofpuppets
i still haven't found anyone with my stepping =\
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ight=0547+TPMW
It says CCWBE 0547 TPMW, but that's probably a typo. 1.42v for 2799 (we'll say 2800, 1MHz is a miniscule difference) and 1.612 for 2800 is a very big difference. It doesn't show his load temperatures because he stopped Prime95 before taking the screenshot. My idle temps are around 29-33C, and my load temps skyrocket to 45-49C. At 2750, load is about 42-43C. Pretty huge difference for such a tiny increase in speed.
EDIT: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=30 This is the exact post in question
EDIT 2: Of course there is the possibility that my RAM is making a huge difference in voltage need.. but I'm just guessing.
probably wouldn't hurt to upgrade your ram anyway. isn't taht stuff ancient? like discontinued in yr2000?Quote:
Originally Posted by masterofpuppets
I think BH-5 was discontinued in 2003, somebody feel free to correct me. I don't really see a need to upgrade it, as far as performance goes, BH-5 is king. I was just wondering if his RAM (especially since it is running at looser timings, and is clocked a decent amount less) is putting less strain on the memcontroller.. I don't know if BH-5 strains the memcontroller much.
yea i'm not sure when it was discontinued, but i thought there was new and better... doesn't really matter, thats another discussion in itself. i wouldn't think it would be the bh5 itself causing the strain but the voltage its running at. i noticed that when i bumped up my vcore, temps would go up obviously when i bumped up the vdimm temps would still rise. not as much though.
i'm saying try some ram @ 2.6 or 2.7 volts and see if your temps improve. its worth a shot
Do you think buying a dual procore rad will lower my temps much? I'm hitting 43-44c with 2.85 ghz and 1.35v. And with 2.95/1.44v I hit 48c :/
You mean replace teh BIX2 with another dual 120mm? I am unfamiliar with procore but doubt any other 120.2 would be significantly better than a BIX2.Quote:
Originally Posted by LenniZ
Its gettin hot cuz its CCB1E, they are toasty! Most of its in the IHS ;)
I'm getting some UCCC eventually. I'm gonna concentrate on getting a decent HDD first though. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by itznfb
What stepping is that LenniZ?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y55...Z/DSC00524.jpg
What if I run 2 rads?
I was always under the impression that thermal offset should always be subtracted from your actual temp. So a -8C would be like 40- -8 or 48C. One of my old chips seemed to idle below ambient (around 22C) and had a -8C offset so 30C made sense to me. Also I had just had a 148 on the board that had normal idle and load temps so it wasn't the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChkDsk
But that theory sort of disappeared after I saw positive offset chips had normal temps.. no way your temps are 32C with 1.55v. I still think you should keep a negative offset in the back of your mind, in case temps ever get too cool for your current cooling. Positive offsets IMO should be ignored
Temps sensors aren't at all accurate anyway, so really doesn't matter either way I guess!
Any of you tested a CCWBE 0609 FPAW on Phase Change yet?
I'm about to test one as soon as my new GFX cards get here
That's a nice chip you've got there. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by LenniZ
But it seems like a hot one, just like my 0550 UPMW. I'm on air and limited to 2.8 ish on ~1.35v, temps are through the roof!
Cool! always good to see phase results from good chips :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by rapty
:banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::banana::banana::banana: piss.. doh! I seem to have hit a wall at 2.9ghz.. needs a like 1.5 vcore to be stable there.. oh well.. so much for that.. nice seein ya.. the show's ova.. move along now... etc...
I think I will just camp here for a while and focus on getting the most out of (*cough* vmods) my new 7900GTs..
How much did your load temps drop after removing the IHS? What vcore does it take for 2.8 prime95?Quote:
Originally Posted by revenant
its nice to see the 0530TPMW under honorable mentions :)
i would like to know if this average if with/without the IHS and what type of cooling. im assuming its no IHS with water cooling.
i primed 2.75 @ 1.5v and core 0 froze at 7.5 hours and core 1 was good for 20 hours. going to try burnin and see if it works. hoping to hit 2.8 on air at least.
If you froze at 7.5 hours, I suspect heat was the culprit. What are you temps?
I popped the top right after I got it, made sure it worked, tested for like 10 mins.. all I remember is that is that it idled at 36c! crazy.. it went down to like 32c sans IHS. 2800 takes 1.375 vcore..Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
my temps are pretty high. when i do cpu burnin i hover ~60C! definately picking up some stronger 120mm fans this weekend.
I might be fretting too soon as I have fresh AS5 on the core now and it seems to not like that.. once it set I was able to get like 50mhz more on the same vcore.. so maybe the jury should stay out on this for a bit.. :)
yea, ive gone through about 3 optys in the past 2 months and the AS5 hasnt even cured before i got rid of em :)
this 0530 is a keeper unless i can get a CCB1E. hoping for better temps and OC when it finally cures.
Hmmz... Kinda weird... If I pay no attention at all to those offsets all my DC's run dualprime at the same temps. No one knows the story behind the offset? :stick: :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
Best way to find out is to get a known accurate probe to measure temps with. Would be alot easier then all this offset bs.
too bad good probes cost more than i want to spend.
So true... But hell, I wanna know :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Delirious
FINALLY got a half decent mount on my newly naked 0608MPMW. First 4 tries were horrible.. because of the way my tubing is set up it puts pressure so that the block is forced upward, and I have to put x amount of layers of electrical tape on the socket to counteract. First time, 9 layers, 30C idle but no boot into windows. Second time, 7 layers, but same thing. Third time the block got stuck on a capacitor, so absolutely NO contact whatsoever and it shut down within seconds of being turned on. the ASC wasn't even disturbed :eek: So I just remounted, pushed the damn capacitor out of the way but same thing. Finally 5 layers worked, temps haven't gone down too much though :( 1-4 degrees at most, damn thing fluctuates so much.
I was so nervous, thought it was dead after it shut down immediately :eek:
What wb are you using? I still don't understand what you used electrical tape for..?Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
I finally got a good mount on my cpu yesterday also... I *think* my previous issues were caused by a short run from the apogee to the black ice pro, which was adding tugging pressure on the block.. so it maybe didn't sit perfectly flat? Not sure.. with the screws torqued down it should have been ok, but anyways.. even with a 7c thermal offset my temps seem amazingly better.. still and all, waiting for AS5 to cure.. but have to have my machine off this weekend as my video cards ship out tonight and my new ones don't arrive until Tuesday.. doh!
The tubing from my video card to MP-05 CPU block is a bit on the long side, so it tends to bend the video card down and push the CPU block up. The CPU block contacts the socket, so there is no pressure on the lower part of the core unless I put electrical tape on the raised part of the socket so compensate a little. 9 layers was too much, no contact on the top of the core, as was 7 layers but 5 did the trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
The tape just acts as a shim, easiest thing to get variable height with
an ok one. still sucks though. 3ghz@ 1.6v @ 14*c idle stable (just about, 12*c is)
CCBWE 0602 BPMW
at 1.54v 2.7 is possible, but not much higher.
at 1.6v 2.8-2.88 is possible on water.
im soo unlucky. this is like the 6th cpu in a row with a bad setpping. the only good one ive had was a 3700, which i killed atfter 6 days. lol
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Originally Posted by Repoman
Nice.. very MacGyver. ;)
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Originally Posted by CompGeek
I have to say i disagree with adding the 0543TPMW to the "Avoid" list. My first 170 was a 0543TPMW and i ran it at 2800 1.54v 24/7 and benched it at 2900.
One you definately should add to the avoid list cuz its probably the worst 170 in existance is the CCBWE 0541RPMW. I had one at one point and it was 2550 or so tops with 1.55v. If you search around you will find other results with these chips.
I changed from AS5 to ceramique and load temps dropped 3-4C. Ambient temp is the same. I used a plastic baggie to spread it, since it's too thin for the credit card method. IHS still intact on my 0550vpmw. Gained an extra 50mhz!
That's interesting. Was the AS5 "set in"?Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
TS - wow. I tried Ceramique on my 175 and I gained 3c in heat.. but maybe it was a bad mount.. I hear the "dab and mount" method works very well with Ceramique.. Maybe I should give it a try on my vpmw.. hrm.......
I had it on there for a long time. Does ceramique also benefit from being "set in"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aversio
@revenant: I don't like the grain method, I try to get the most even and thin layer possible. I like the IHS completely covered, with the ceramique/AS5 a tiny bit transparent. It's worked better for me always.
Sounds like it was just a bad mount, or maybe ambient temp change.
Ceramique works good with an IHS just place a small drop in the center and let the compression of the HS spread it. Cant do it that way with a naked core though, have to spread it.
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Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
still like AS5...:woot: :toast:
since this is discussion thread #2, would it possible to add a spreadsheet with results of different steppings rather then just a rough average of what each does? i would love to know how people are getting 2.9 with my stepping.
SOrry but I can't keep quiet. If no one posts their results, there wouldn't be a discussion now would there? If 10 people got this chip and one posts and the other stay quiet, there wouldn't be a discussion. Discussion forums are for discussions. Nothing wrong with a few people getting great chips and compare with each other. It's not like they are making fun of the people with no so great steppings. Btw, I will not reply to any comments as I do not wish to have this thread closed.Quote:
Originally Posted by masterofpuppets
0530TPMW owners speak up!
air cooling? water cooling?
im stayin at 2.75 @ 1.5v until i can get some better fans for my Big Typhoon.
anyone else?
I had a 0530 TPMW. With the IHS on, max was about 2.75 on water. Took the thing off and 2.9ghz at 1.55vcore no problems. Still shoots up to 48c on full load. THese things are H-O-T.
0530TPMW owners are long gone. Besides, if your chip performs poorly, then regardless of the stepping, it's time to get a new one:p:
ive already tried the 0546XPMW and not going to buy unless its a CCB1E :)
Then find one! It's not that hard :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by blazin-asian
hello... mine apears to be a good one... working since dezember at 2.6@1.28v , brazillian summer , stock amd heatsink, ihs on , no more fans in the case...Quote:
Originally Posted by blazin-asian
I have a complete watercooling system waiting 3 months to install... just don't have enough time to put and test more... I belive the processor will hit 3ghz , but without the ihs...
sometimes I start to want to change it for another one , but will be risky and maybe does not worth extra 100mhz
Worried about chipping the core? Worry no more!
http://www.sourcekills.com/albums/ts...0949.sized.jpg
Or be careful...;)
Well yeah, I'm really careful with it, but I was able to get pads for free, and they work really well. :) I still have to mount it up to see how it goes, but it should help fight against any sort of chipping, since my block should thread before it touches those pads, so all pressure after that should be nice and even. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
yes, but not without paying a premium price. but in the meantime, why not get the most out of what i have.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
im just a poor college student, i cant afford to buy 10 cpus at a time and stuff. boo...
I've got a question:
Here are my specs:
939 dual sata 2 (official bios 1.7)
opti 165 (ccb1e 0608mpmw) @ stock volts
1gb transcend pc 3200
tuniq tower 120
I get a funny windows freeze if I go above 2.3 ghz :slash: Divider is 14. Are there any special settings on dual sata 2 I missed? I think i should run 300htt on stock volts with this proc and cooling :confused:
Temps dont go over 42°.
Is your LDT/HTT multiplier set to 3x? Is your memory on a divider? Those are the two immediate issues I see...
Cpu-z shows memory divider at 14 (I can't find that setting in bios). LDT/HTT multiplier? I don't remember that setting :slobber:
Another dumper stepping to add to the list:
CCBWE 0541RPMW 2.6GHz with 1.5v, 2.7GHz with 1.55v (just 3D stable, not prime)
From a friend's 165 he just replaced with an 0610. His last chip was...a bit lack-luster.
It's your Lightning Data Transport (LDT) speed, basically what the quad-pumped speed is to Intel, the bandwidth to your chipset. ;) You want to keep that at or under 1GHz, and @ stock it's 1GHz (5x200). And as you raise your HTT over 200, well, it gets goofy when it goes too high.
OH now i remember! I set that to 1000mhz :eek: Will try to lower it and test :D
Sorry for there nubish questions. Everyone has to learn..
EDIT: Currently at 2400 @ stock volts.
How about a CCWBE UPBW anyone seen any results?
Edit : Nevermind
Another good way is, once again, put electrical tape over the SMD's- protect the core and caps in one ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tsuehpsyde
Anyway removing the IHS on the 0608MPMW gained me .025v at the same clocks or 25MHz at the same volts. Whatever way you want to look at it
So this is where I am now-
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/3...14257ed.th.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1...fail6jf.th.jpg
I think 1.25+113% will work for 1.4125 at 3GHz
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6...tart6yb.th.jpg
Went from 3050 to 3025 and a few steps in between with clockgen, seems to be working OK. See if it'll last
Overall, 5 mounts later, it was worth it. no more freezes either, instead it fails prime like a normal chip
I'm very happy with my Opteron so far :D
Some benchies:
41392 3d01se
13521 3dmark05
6789 3dmark06
beat all my old scores with lower clocks on gfx :)
Hey guys, I could use a little help getting past 3051MHz..
Core 1 lasts for 3 minutes at 1.475, so I tried 1.5v, and I get same failure after 3 minutes. This is 339x9, with HTT multi still at 3.. I will try 2.5 and 2 in a minute but it didnt seem to help earlier. 1.525 and 1.55 didn't do anything either. I don't know wtf the problem is.. I'm gonna mess with some ram timings, htt stuff.. but if anyone has suggestions in the meantime that'd be great!
PS nice 05 score lenniz.. hope to match it soon :eleph:
It's called a "limit". Every chip has one. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
hahaha I see. Figured it would go all the way up to 3.4GHz with 1.8v :p:
But yeah, you'd think an extra .075v would get me 9MHz.. Oh well, 3024@1.45v ain't too bad
You mean like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
http://www.sourcekills.com/albums/ts...0906.sized.jpg
That's what my 165 looked like before putting on those pads. :) They do help protect, but the pads do a better job at protecting against chipped cores.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
What are the load temps at those voltages you tried?
1.45v is down to around 41C (38-39 without x1900xt under load). Without the IHS, there isn't much variance in temps between voltages- 1.5v still resulted in around 42C.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absolute_0
I'm gonna find out for sure tonight if it's because of temps, kinda cold and rainy today so open window night!
edit: yeah tseuhpsyde just like that. Except mine's half assed and doesnt look that neat
I very slightly chipped an SMD on the old 0550vpmw because I didn't use any tape
Temps staying the same at different vcore could mean a bad mount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
Really? That's weird.. this was the first usable mount I got. I was able to lower the vcore .025 from with IHS, and temps are down 5-7C at 1.45v, Seems like a bad mount would be constant 50C+ or one core constantly failing instead of nice temps. I'll do some more testing, see what I come up with
edit: think I may have gotten rid of the 3033MHz barrier. Now it's suddenly priming at 3051@1.475v, 8 tests through.. all I did was twist and move the waterblock a bit to maximize contact. (and run some high volts/mhz for suicide screenies, don't know how that would affect it though). That and tighten the screws a bit.. there's an enormous amount of pressure on the core now. The blue springs that come with the wb are 35lbs at half compression, and they're compressed quite a bit more than half.
Looks like you were right after all thunder! Lucky a remount wasn't necessary :)
Lower CPU-NB frequency to 800 MHz and leave NB-SB frequency at 1GHz. Also try OCW Beta 2 and 7 and see which one you get better results with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malkec
well, my CCBWE 0604 TPMW is currently prim95ing away @ a pitiful 275x9. thats the highest i could get to prime for longer than 30 min. i could get super pi results @ 300x9 1.4v, but failed prime after 8 seconds. =\ i'm trying to find my max stock voltage. looks like 275x9 will have to be my starting point. i was hoping to start closer to 285x9.
I'll trade you for my 2350 MHz 1.35V.
CCBWE 0604 TPMW 165
got this one working in 289 at 1,36 volts. Needed to do :banana::banana::banana::banana:load of tweaking for memories. I somehow think that this stepping could have better OC abilities. Without this Horrible memory Controller.
I am using Asus A8n-sli Premium With set of G.SKILLS. Tried Yesterday DFI Ultra-D but results were horrible in every sense...
And btw i am old DFI user, So i know all the tricks with memory tweaks and whatsoever.
Crazy but true A8n-sli Premium Works better with G.SKILLS and this Stepping.
Temps now 28 idle and stress 39. Maybe With better Memory Configuration could reach 2.8 ghz...
though i think that this Mobo Cant do more than 298 FSB:slapass:
When you post your final stable screen shot, you really should show the time in the task manager instead of stopping the test. Also lets us see full load temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Repoman
I think it was 38 or 39C
It's gone down a degree or two since I tightened it way up though. Looks like 3GHz@1.4v may work after all
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/956...tart2pu.th.jpg
How are u measureing temps? Are they compensated in bios or with mbm?
:confused: not compensated at all, not sure what you mean (you were talking to me right, lol)
they just keep getting lower and lower though, now at 1.45v 38C loaded. Down from 46C with IHS, 42C until I tightened it
you can compensate temps in mbm5 to correct incorrect temp readings, tony's new bios has it built in as well.
Its only good though if you know what the real temp is though.
I think he's using 11/14. He made a post about it, new board, AE0. Dunno if there's any reason to switch to a different bios anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delirious
Show some Large FFT and tell us stepping :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by LenniZ
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Originally Posted by ncc-1709
Have the same stepping running 2.7 @ 1.5v
2.8 1.55v is possible but it really gets warm , had to mount a second 120mm on my tunic tower 120 to get it stable if temps go above 50 it crashes instantly. thinking of removing ihs.
CCB1E 0609 FPAW.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChkDsk
I was just told on a norwegian forum that I should run small FFT's, and now you tell me the opposite. What the hell should I do then? I hate prime.
Validation: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=88847
large fft stresses memory thus memorycontroller more. But it's minimal, better just stress cpu with small FFT's and stress memory with BF2 or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by LenniZ
Nice results, what stepping is that?
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Originally Posted by LenniZ
I am working on testing really low voltage on my Opteron...
So far 250x10.0 @ v1.31 reading in BIOS as well.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...170/250x10.jpg
My new Opty 165. Prime95 18 hours no errors. Bought it refurbished from Newegg 295 bucks.
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7...16523yo.th.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5...z14v1xf.th.jpg
Final 24/7 for me. It's gonna get too hot during the summer to go any higher, figure I'll just get used to running here, lol
Check out the temps! think my thermal paste set or something :stick:
You should run Small FFT's when testing the CPU. Small FFT's are small and load into the cache and stress the L2 and floating-point unit. Large FFT's will be loading into the system memory and stress the RAM and system bus more but also the memory controller on the CPU. A blend test would be mostly testing the RAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by LenniZ
Same as mine :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by LenniZ
Well... I saw results of running small FFT's for hours and erroring large FFT's within an hour... But if all your games run fine whats the problem ;) Allthough I love my 12hr dualprime shot :rolleyes:
Why do you have such low temps on your opterons?
I have opteron 165
Tuniq Tower 120
Xaser 3 with 7 fans
And i get at 2466mhz (stock volts) with dual prime 50°C :slapass: . Did i screw up with the thermal paste?
And even in BIOS when i boot up, it says 38-40°.
could be your ihs has bad contact with the core or maybe its not makeing good contact with the HS, or you put too much too little thermal paste on.
Hmm, how far worst Opteron 165 with CCBBE 0610DPMW will go? With defalt votage can hit aprox. 2,75 Ghz... Can it hold 3Ghz with more votage?
Hey, I noticed that most everyone is getting the OEM 165 from Monarch... I noticed that Tigerdirect has it for $300 for OEM version. Anyone buy from them, and know what stepping they are shipping?
Opty 170 0550 VPMW.. 1.392v@2935mhz ram 1/1 ;) Large FFT s.. 3 haurs 30 min.. air cooling :toast:
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Originally Posted by Kashelz
3Ghz is hit or miss on the 0610 they do get DAMN close. I think repo and one other has hit 3ghz with them. I personally hit a brick wall at 2970
I just got a CCB1E 0609FPAW. Im verry happy.
My system isint running yet, all i need is my videocards.
I see everyone here uses DFI borads. I ended up geting a MSI board.
Do you think my board well render my OC?
What MSI board? Depends on what kinda of overclock you want, there is no garauntee.
MSI K8N Diamond Plus
Im hopeing for 2.8 or 2.9 ghz
Never used one but from what i read its a good stable boardnot sure about how it overclocks.
That chip should be capable of that speed, key word "should"