What's this chip
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1148702724
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1148702724
is it good for overclock ? :confused: :confused: :confused:
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What's this chip
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1148702724
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1148702724
is it good for overclock ? :confused: :confused: :confused:
That's Fatbody D9 :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by mrhelix
where did you get that from ?
How can you tell they are Fat D9 ?
Those photos appear to have come from this website.
PC2-4200. Apparently they are Micron chips, and seem to clock pretty well.
They're also inexpensive.
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...dlist=shopping
i'll order some :eek:
I know that Corsair put Micron D9 chips in some of its Value Select memory for laptops. But those chips had the Micron markings on them.
There's nothing to confirm whether those screenshots of that website are legit or not. So you're talking a gamble if you buy based on those results. Though it's a gamble that might pay off.
we need DDR2 memory at work so...;)
i'll give it a try.
just ordered 2x512mb corsair value.
raiden
Those look fat ;) dont they :p:
i think these are fatty's yes.
It should be noted that there are different types of Micron D9 chips. There are the legendary "Fat Body" D9's, also known as D9DQT. I believe they are not produced anymore.
http://kubokubo.jp/memory/micron_pc2...12mb/d9dqt.jpg
D9GMH - Used in Corsair 8500 and TeamGroup PC2-6400. Micron sells them as 333MHz chips, but they are capable of high clocks.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1145912494
D9GKX - Found in Super Talent PC2-800
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/r...ent_micron.jpg
Picture courtesy of Legit Reviews
So when someone mentions "Micron D9", it doesn't necessarily mean "Fat Body". The newer Micron D9's are square-shaped like the Elpida's.
There are other RAM makers that use these chips, so forgive me if I didn't mention all of them.
Well I believe there is a "D9DQW" (5IAll or 5JAll) is slightly better than DQT;)
Some versions of Corsair 5400UL use D9DQW or MT47H64M8BT-37E. The same chips are used in Centon PC2-6400. They're also found in Corsair 5400C4 v5.2 which is what some of the Japanese use.
http://star.ap.teacup.com/picoo/timg...1136600765.jpg
This was done by Cal930 using 5400C4 v5.2
http://cal930.hp.infoseek.co.jp/614%5B1%5D.png
I suppose D9DQW could also be considered "Fat Body". The older rectangular-shaped D9's are arguably the best.
What is this ?
Was shopping for some stuff,came across these so picked up...
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9...12476mk.th.jpghttp://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5...12498wa.th.jpghttp://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4...12504rd.th.jpghttp://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9...12519ae.th.jpg
http://hikaru.client.jp/memory/DDR2/4200/0022.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Darklord
Thanks for the info.Looks like a decent chip,not a bad buy after all....
Just to help the others ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklord
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4...12504rd2br.jpg
Another type of D9 micron chip ?
Yes, there are various D9 chips. I showed some of the others in an earlier post. D9DCN is not the so-called "Fat Body".Quote:
Originally Posted by farksy
I'm thinking D9DQ? is fatbody chips while the others are different revisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
I'm just wondering how different each revision clocks.
So far we have
D9DQT
D9DQW
D9DCN
D9GMH
D9GKX
The older rectagular-shaped D9's like D9DQT and D9DQW tend to be the best overclockers. D9GMH generally offers more bang for the buck because it's rated at 333MHz and is cheaper, but still capable of very high speeds.
Thankyou very muchQuote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Its very annoying that everyone calls the old school Micron BT-3 "D9". D9 is the DDR2 fBGA tag that means it is Micron DDR2, that is all.
The chips you guys are looking for are Micron BT-3 (the good stuff) and Micron BT-37E (de-binned good stuff).
Also congrats on finding a set of the D9GMH. That is the "new" RAM to watch. While its fBGA code is D9GMH its TRUE name is the fabled Micron B6-3
Good work guys....:D
I found some elpida chips on Kingston 1GB module 667mhz...they can do 450+ with 5-5-5
I am also testing a pair of G.Skill 8000 4-4-4-5 and a pair og mushkin XP6400 2x1gb and they seem very good so far for 1gb sticks...
Me getting a DDR2 board in couple of days mostly...will try testing the Ram on it,will post results accordingly.
What I wanna know is WHAT CHIPS ARE ON CORSAIR'S PC2 6400 C3 modules. They simply are the most incredible DDR2 I've seen to date......2x1gb @ 430+mhz 3-3-3-x :slobber:
430 + @ 3-3-3 is simply mind boggling.....
Seriously,what chips are those ?
Add D9DCL to the list as well, found on some Crucial RAM. Don't know how they clock though.Quote:
Originally Posted by farksy
Hmmm...interesting....I found these under the spreaders of a sub $100 2x512mb kit of Patriot DDR2.....Quote:
Originally Posted by crotale
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9716/ddr25ax.jpg
Got any clocks from them?
Yup, they're nice. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9...tweaked9mm.jpg
I was bored tonight, so I decided to combine my 6400C3's and my Super Talent DDR2-800's. Managed 400 @ 3-3-3 with 4X1024MB.
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7...44003336gt.jpg
I recognize those, dont expect any good clocks from that RAM. That is the generic CB-3 which is your basic run of the muck PC2-5300.Quote:
Originally Posted by crotale
It does ~750mhz max 4-4-4 jsut like all the generic stuff does
Voltage? That looks awefully similar to Micron BN / B6 -3 or -2 depending on chip. I have a set of B6-3 that does roughly those clocks @ 2.25vQuote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
I'm using 2.38v. The Super Talents by themselves will do 413 @ 3-3-3.
They'll most likely end up in a low freq system. Do you believe it's possible to run them at 3-3-3, <350MHz?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
No, not possible at any voltage. You might get just over 600 but 700 is out of the question with those clks.Quote:
Originally Posted by crotale
Yep thats gotta be a B6 strain either -2 or -3.Quote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
ok, thanks for the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
Not a problem, I remembered CB-3 being very cheap and acting like it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by crotale
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by crotale
D9DQT
D9DQW
D9DCL
D9DCN
D9GMH
D9GKX
only Fat body clock well ?
<sigh> You mean Micron BT...Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
BT had its day in the sun but the BN and B6 die(s) are quickly catching up to it in terms of clockspeed with lower vdimm needed for the same speeds.
and D9GMG.. found on a 256mb, ddr2-667 crucial stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by farksy
http://eclipseoc.com/image/am2/ddr2.jpg
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_267.png
at 2.45v
Very impressive. I assume thats the BN-3 you were talking about?
it is indeed.
OK...thought I'd share a few more pics from underneath the spreaders of a few sticks of Mushkin PC2 5300 (4-4-4-12):
Here's what was under spreader #1 (512mb, single sided). This is rebadged Spectek RAM but for some odd reason, it doesn't get along with the yonah board. That's too bad, since the IC's definately look like fatties.......I'm gonna have the spd reprogrammed to see if I can get it to boot.......
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/56/spectec0zc.jpg
This was what was under spreader #2 :eek: :
http://img462.imageshack.us/img462/1017/1gb13fj.jpg
This stick was Double Sided.....meaning that the stick is actually a 1GB stick and not 512mb (as the spreader had stated :p: )
End up picking up another single 512mb stick and a single 1gb stick from mushkin so I can pair the sticks up.....under spreader #3 (512mb stick), was another stick of Spectek :rolleyes:
Under spreader #4 (1gb stick) was this:
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6388/1gb26nb.jpg
Anybody have any clues to what it could be?(and no, I haven't tested them yet).
I still have a pair here that hasn't been stripped naked yet, but I'm not allowed to touch the spreaders on these (regardless, it's not too hard to figure out what IC's were used on them anyway ;) )
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3977/wrd99sl.jpg
#1 Is Spectek BT-37E (de-binned BT3)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
#2 Is Also BT-37E (hence the D9DQW tag)
#3 Is unknown but it is most likely Aneon (a division of Infineon)
BT-37E = best ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
BT-37E is rated for 533mhz BT-3 is rated for 667. BT-37E is the BH6 of BT chipsQuote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220115
Looks like D9 Fatbody on the pic they got there :P
fatbody ?
http://www.asipartner.com/ocadmin/images/38360.jpg
I also got those today
#1 = DDR2
#2 = DDR400
Its just like Ive been telling people for almost a year now. Simply because it says "d9" does not mean its BT-3 or 37E. The DDR2 is the same as posted earlier, generic CB-3 which does maybe 750mhz 4-4-4 if you're lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
Where would be able to identify BT-3 or 37E on a ram module?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
Stepping code D9DQT or D9DQW, respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by thunderstruck!
WTF, have you confirmed that one stick is 1GB during POST or in Windows? I thought 512 could be double sided, maybe not with these IC's tho I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
The 1gb stick posts into Windows although I haven't tested how high/tight it can run. I thought I had told you already that if they were fatties, double sided means that it's a 1gb stick :( .....Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
With DDR2...you can get a 1GB stick with IC's on only 1 side of the PCB....expect to see 2GB sticks become more common in the near future.
But not with fatties ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by RyderOCZ
Sorry, I didn't realize you were specifically checking for fatties....I should have read more of the thread :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
I disagree and so will RyderQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Shhhhh.....let him think I am wrong :D :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
Ok...fine :P Please point me to the nearest 2gb fatty stick then :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
If have buyed 2GB Crucial Ballistix DDR2-800 CL4 for 199 € in an action on www.alternate.de (Germany)
today i want know wich chips are under the Heatspreaders and i decide to remove the HS.
And this is what i found:
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5537/d95mr.th.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7...03702xf.th.jpg
Are there realy D9 on this Cheap RAM's ?
A funny thing is the relabe you can see the original Micron label and over it is a simple BALISTIX.
I Have Tested the RAM's on an AOpen i975Xa-YDG and i gived 2,5 V VDimm and can go to 418,5 ( 3-3-3-12 ) whit Activ Cooling, but i cant give X-X-2-X at this Clocks. I cant get higher Clock wich an 251 MHz FSB.
Sorry for my bad english.
so long kabauter
Those are sweet sticks :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
i think so too, i i have read the label ;)
i have been surprised over D9 on the Sticks.
i Think it's time to update Post 1 with this chips on the DDR2-800 CL4 Ballistix
BTW....welcome to XS! :toast: I'm sure gorrillaman will update it soon:D
ty for welcome
but why i can't get RAS Precharge of 2 i think it is a character of D9 chips
You don't have the well known Fatbody chips, but a newer D9, it should clock very well on a little bit looser timings than fatbody, just try it, those sticks are very good for that price you've paid ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
416 @ 4-3-3-12 is no Problem with 2,3 V
The only Problem is than i can never Test the Max Clocks, with the 667 divider of the AOpen Board can i get only 418 MHz by the Best FSB 251 MHz
Finally , i'm an owner of some fatties ... :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1149886764
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1149886764
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1149886764
Bought from Ebay .
nice pics :toast:
and how good are these Original Micron?
Right now i don't have a DDR2 board . You see , i'm waiting for conroe mobos and right know nothing is available in Greece (except Intel) ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
I'll test them tomorrow with a 930 and a P5LD2 with a single stage ... Hope to clock nice . :)
I'm sure they will clock fine..(i hope so)!
i bet they do. my crucial value stick does quite well, even if it's a 256mb with BN-3 :DQuote:
Originally Posted by deadlock7
http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_267.png
bummer.. i have the same set as you, it seems that 4-4-3 is capable of 520mhz :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
i should pop off the spreaders as well and see if it's the same B6 chip binned to -25F speeds. how did you take off the spreader without ripping up the chips too?
Fantastic RAM. You have the highest binned chips Micron has to offer. B6-25FQuote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
i pushed a credit card under the metal Clips on both sides and pull them up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
Then i use a hair dryer aber make the HS hot so i can pull the HS up from the Chips.
i've bought ocz vapue pro 2x1 and running them without any probs at 800(300*15) 5444 2vdimm with my pentium D 930 i think they can go a bit higher
but worth the price..paid em 170 euros labled 333mhz 55512 1,8v
:woot:
Here are my new Ballistix PC2 5300 :p:
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7041/ica6wp.jpg
mmmmm, the sticker probably says .16FB, doesn't it? :cool: (or are they 512mb sticks, single sided. that'd make it .8FB :D)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
you're a lucky one. haha
i guess i'll pop the spreaders off my ballistix too, but i have a feeling that i'll see -25F binned D9GMH under there
What are those hair's around the smd stephen :p:
.8FA ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
@ Waus: I like to clean my stix of ram by rubbing them on the carpet :D actually, it's just from the paper towel I was using to clean the IC's off :P
ah, odd. really old school micron if it's the revA chips :p:
edit: brainfart. sorry. of course it's revA if it's fatties. :slap:
my 2x1gb pc6400 ballistix set:
http://www.eclipseoc.com/image/am2/DSC_0424.jpg
looks like D9GMH to me
well, i think the -25F rating is given by crucial, but technically there should be -2E chips, the ddr2-1000 @ cas5 binned chips :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sentential
the same as on my sticks ... but i think they are realy good ;)
i agree. sadly i appear to be limited to 520mhz with this sempron's memory controller. got an intel board on the way :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
Great list man!
Has anyone found out what chips are used on these?Quote:
OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum Enhanced Latency XTC 2.1V 800@4-5-4-15 chips???
You just need a better cpu ;) Like the rest of us, you've hit the max FSB of your Yonah, you got to have some luck with those...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
I'm still testing, but the previous owner got my Yonah up to 261FSB, so I'll see what I can get out of my Fatties :) I'll first have to vmod my Aopen though.
The supertalent 6400 and 8000 2x1 gb kits are still based on BT-3 ics or they moved to different ones?
The Super Talents use D9GKX / MT47H64M8B6-25E.
First post updated again..:D
Pls point me where i have made any mistakes to correct it..:D
I think the B6-25F are D9GMH ??? but on my Ballistix 2x1024 are D9GMH i think its the same as B6-25F ?Quote:
BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 6400 800@4-4-4-12 2.2V Micron BT-37E--->Micron B6-37E Some 2 x 1024 uses Micron B6-25F Some 2 x 512 uses Micron D9GMH HS=YELLOW
D9GMH is originally B6-3, afaik (micron's fbga decoder broke :(), and crucial rebinned it to -25F speedsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kabauterman
mhhh i think it must be soQuote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/5537/d95mr.th.jpg
Ok. So among the latest micron ics d9gkx & d9gmh seem to be the best. The question is can they do 3,2,2 and which of those two is better? I think i saw 360 mhz out of the 6400 teamgroup kit which is based (for sure) on the d9gmhQuote:
Originally Posted by sierra_bound
Most 2X1GB kits will not run 3-2-2 at high speeds. The tightest you can expect with 2X1GB is 3-3-2 at semi-high speeds or 3-3-3 at higher speeds. If you want 3-2-2 timings, try to find used modules with Micron Fat Body chips. They are mostly 2X512 kits.
These are the overclocks of D9GMH and D9GKX I found on the web:
D9GMH
Team Xtreem PC5300 TXDD1024M667HC3DC OC: 363.9MHz @ 3-3-3-4, autoV, Intel 975X Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101692
Team Xtreem PC5300 TXDD1024M667HC3DC OC: +500MHz @ 4-?-?-?, autoV, Intel 975X Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101692
Corsair PC8500 XMS2 TWINX 8500 OC: 601.9MHz @ 4-4-3-5 2T, ?V, AM2 Asus M2N32-SLI Deluxe Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=101837
Crucial PC6400 Ballistix OC: 418.5MHz @ 3-3-3-12, 2.5V, i975Xa Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=94017&page=7
D9GKX
Buffalo PC8000 FireStix OC: 462.5MHz @ 3-4-4-10, 2.0V, NF4 SLI Intel Ed Link: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1954&page=2
Buffalo PC8000 FireStix OC: 510.0MHz @ 5-5-5-10, 2.0V, NF4 SLI Intel Ed Link: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.c...id=1954&page=2
Super-Talent PC6400 Over-clocked T800UX2GC4 OC: 470.9MHz @ 4-4-3-8, 1.8V, Intel 975XBX Link: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/332/7/
Super-Talent PC6400 Over-clocked T800UX2GC4 OC: 500.7MHz @ 4-4-3-8, 2.1V, Intel 975XBX Link: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/332/7/
Super-Talent PC6400 Over-clocked T800UX2GC4 OC: 524.8MHz @ 4-4-3-8, 2.3V, Intel 955X Link: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/332/7/
Super-Talent PC6400 Over-clocked T800UX2GC4 OC: 555.0MHz @ 5-5-5-?, 2.3V, Intel 955X Link: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/332/7/
Super-Talent PC6400 Over-clocked T800UX2GC4 OC: 482.0MHz @ 4-3-4-8, 2.1V, nForce4 SLI Intel Edition Link: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1925
Super-Talent PC6400 Over-clocked T800UX2GC4 OC: 510.0MHz @ 5-5-5-12, 2.1V, nForce4 SLI Intel Edition Link: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1925
? OC: 450.6MHz @ 3-4-3-9, 2.5V, p5wd2 Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=102527&page=2
? OC: 512.0MHz @ 5-5-5-12, 2.3V, p5wd2 Link: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=102527&page=2
OCZ PC8000 EL Platinum Extreme XTC OC: 380.5MHz @ 3-3-3-9, 2.2V, Intel 955X Link: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5266&page=5
OCZ PC8000 EL Platinum Extreme XTC OC: 513.0MHz @ 4-4-4-12, 2.2V, Intel 955X Link: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5266&page=5
OCZ PC8000 EL Platinum Extreme XTC OC: 525.0MHz @ 5-5-5-15, 2.2V, Intel 955X Link: http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=5266&page=5
So no really tight timings, the tightest is 3-3-3-4. If you should find a review or something with tighter timings, let me know too please ;)
how about these?
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/8...g1171ku.th.jpg
it looks like kinda small to be the 'fatbody' chips, and yet they're rectangular shaped instead of square. couldn't really see the chip numbers, but probably D9DPN or something...
BP-3
http://www.micron.com/products/partd...=MT47H32M8BP-3
who knows how they clock. i don't think it's all that great, but it's probably not too terrible :p:
Nope...I think they're these ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
http://www.micron.com/products/partd...6HTF6464AY-667
not too good eh? :confused:
There's only one way to find out if they're any good. Test them. ;)
those are the sticks, i was taking about the ICs ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
edit: there's a lot of winking going on :lol2:
AHH...I C..hahahaha:para:Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzimark
http://eclipseoc.com/image/Isee.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
ok. i'll stop spamming now :p:
I've bought a Pair, I wonder what they can do...(god 72 hours is a hell of a long ass wait)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n