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    DDR2 Full Specs

    Hello Xtreme ppl...

    I tried to write down every ddr2 module comes out and as much specs as i can in order to help you and me of course..The list iw will be fullfiled every time i have something new...so i want your help too for new memory and new chips


    If anyone can help to fill the chips it will be good.....if i have somewhere a wrong or if i have forgot something.....mention it to me....

    Regards
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    CellShock DDR2 1024/2X1024 PC2-6400 2.1 - 2.2V 800@4-4-4-12 HS=Black CellShocked D9GMH chips/1.09196.95.360 and 1.09256.97.360 use D9GKX

    CellShock DDR2 2X1024 PC2-8000 2.1 - 2.2V 1000@5-5-5-15 HS=Black CellShocked D9GMH/D9GKX chips

    CellShock DDR2 2X1024 PC2-8000 2.2V 1000@4-4-4-12 HS=Black CellShocked D9GKX chips


    TIP:All Cellshock memory modules has 8-layer PCB and 5 years warranty





    TEAM XTREEM DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 PC2-5300 1.95 - 2.3V 667@3-3-3-8 HS=Auminum D9GMH chips

    TEAM XTREEM DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 PC2-6400 1.95 - 2.3V 800@4-4-4-12 HS=Auminum
    D9GMH chips




    TEAM XTREEM DDR2 256/512/1024/ PC2-4300 ???V 533@4-4-4-12 HS= Without

    TEAM XTREEM DDR2 256/512/1024/ PC2-5300 ???V 667@5-5-5-12 HS= Without






    TITANIUM SERIES


    Enhanced Bandwidth DDR2

    OCZ EB DDR2 PC2-5400 Titanium 2.1V 667@4-2-2-8 MicronBT-3 chips

    PLATINUM SERIES

    Enhanced Latency DDR2

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-8000 Platinum XTC Extreme Edition [/B]2.1V[/B] 1000@ 4-5-4-15 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-8000 Platinum Enhanced Latency XTC [/B]2.1V[/B] 1000@ 5-5-5-15 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum Enhanced Latency XTC 2.1V 800@4-5-4-15 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-7200 Platinum Enhanced Latency XTC 2.1V 886@4-4-4-15 Micron D9GKX chips


    Enhanced Bandwidth DDR2

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-4200 Platinum Enhanced Bandwidth Revision 2Limited Edition 2.0V 533@3-2-2-8 Micron BT-37Echips


    OCZ DDR2 PC2-5400 Platinum Enhanced Bandwidth 2.1V 667@4-2-2-8 Micron BT-3

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum Enhanced Bandwidth 2.1V 800@4-3-3-8 Micron BT-3


    GOLD SERIES


    Gamer Extreme Enhanced Latency DDR2

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-4200 Gold GX XTC 1.9V 533@3-3-3-12 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-5400 Gold GX XTC 1.9V 667@4-4-4-12 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-8000 Gold GX XTC 2.1V 1000@5-6-6-15 chips???

    Enhanced Latency DDR2

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-4200 Gold 1.8V 533@3-3-3-8 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-5400 Gold 1.8V 667@4-4-4-8 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Gold 1.9V 800@5-5-5-10 chips???

    VALUE SERIES


    Value Pro DDR2

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-4200 Value Pro 1.8V 533@4-4-4-8 chips???

    OCZ DDR2 PC2-5400 Value Pro 1.8V 667@5-5-5-15 chips???





    XMS2 DDR2 PRO SERIES


    CORSAIR DDR2 XMS2-4300 533@3-3-3-8 chips???

    CORSAIR DDR2 XMS2-5400 667@4-4-4-12 chips???

    CORSAIR DDR2 XMS2-6400 800@5-5-5-12 chips???

    XMS2 DDR2 TWIN2X MATCHED MEMORY PAIRS SERIES

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X1024 C3 PRO-4300 533@3-3-3-8 HS=Platinum XMS2 Elpida chips
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X1024 C3 -4300 533@3-3-3-8 HS=Black XMS2 Elpida chips

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x2048 C4 -5400 667@4-4-4-12 HS=Black Naya chips
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 C4 -5400 667@4-4-4-12 HS=Black Naya chips
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 UL -5400 667@3-3-2-8-1T HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x512 C4 -5400 667@4-4-4-12 HS=Black XMS2 Naya chips Rev 5.2 uses D9DQW or MT47H64M8BT-37E

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 -6400 800@5-5-5-12 HS=Black XMS2 chips???
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x2048 -6400 800@5-5-5-12 HS=Black XMS2 chips???

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 UL -8000 1000@5-4-4-9 HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 UL -8500 1100@5-5-5-15 D9GMH
    HS=Platinum XMS2

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 C5 -8500 1100@5-5-5-15 HS=Black XMS2 chips???

    XMS2 DDR2 XTREME PERFORMANCE SERIES


    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X512 C3 -4300 533@3-3-3-8 HS=Black XMS2 Elpida chips
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X256 C4 -5400 667@4-4-4-12 HS=Black XMS2 chips???
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X512 C4 -5400 667@4-4-4-12 HS=Black XMS2 Naya chips
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X1024 C4 -5400 667@4-4-4-12 HS=Black XMS2 Naya chips
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X512 UL-5400 667@3-3-2-8-1T HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X512 -6400 667@5-5-5-12 HS=Black XMS2 chips???
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X1024 -6400 667@5-5-5-12 HS=Black XMS2 Micron BT-37E


    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X512 UL -8000 1000@5-4-4-9 HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x512 UL -8500 1100@5-5-5-15Version 1.1D9GMH and D9GKX
    HS=Platinum XMS2



    ENHANCED LATENCY SERIES


    MUSHKIN DDR2 EM2 2X512 -5300 667@5-5-5-151.8-2.1VHS=Green

    MUSHKIN DDR2 EM2 2X512 -4200 533@4-4-4-121.8-2.0VHS=Green

    MUSHKIN DDR2 EM2 2X512 -6400 800@5-5-5-121.8-2.0VAeneon Square chips HS=Green


    EXTREME PERFORMANCE SERIES

    MUSHKIN DDR2 XP2 2X512 -5300 667@3-3-3-102.1-2.3V Elpida recertified 5-5-5- chips HS=Black
    MUSHKIN DDR2 XP2 2X1024 -5300 667@3-3-3-102.1-2.3V Elpida recertified 5-5-5- chips HS=Black
    MUSHKIN DDR2 XP2 2X1024/512 -6400 800@4-4-3-102.1-2.3V Micron D9GMH chips HS=Black
    MUSHKIN DDR2 XP2 Redline series 2X1024 -8000 1000@4-5-4-11 2.2-2.3V Micron D9GMH chips HS=RED






    EXTREME SERIES


    G.SKILL DDR2 F2-4200PHU1/2 256/512/1024/2X512/2X1024-4200 533@4-4-4-121.8-2.0V chips??HS=Yellow
    G.SKILL DDR2 F2-4200PHU1/2 256/512/1024/2X512/2X1024-4200 533@4-4-4-121.8-2.0V chips??HS=NO


    G.SKILL DDR2 F2-5400PHU1/2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024-5400 533@4-4-4-121.9-2.0V chips??HS=Light Blue
    G.SKILL DDR2 F2-5400PHU1/2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024-5400 533@5-5-5-151.8-2.0V chips??HS=NO

    G..SKILL DDR2 F2-6400PHU1/2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024-6400 667@4-4-4-122.0-2.1V [color=blue]Elpida chips[color] HS=Black

    G..SKILL DDR2 F2-6400HZ 512/1024/2X512/2X1024-6400 667@4-4-4-12 2.0-2.1V [b][color=blue]Micron D9GMH chips[color][b] HS=Black

    G.SKILL DDR2 F2-8000PHU1/2ZX 1024/2X1024-8000 1000@5-5-5-152.0~2.1V chips??HS=Light Blue
    G.SKILL DDR2 F2-8000PHU1/2HX 1024/2X1024-8000 1000@4-4-4-52.2~2.3V D9GKX chipsHS=Black

    *All G.Skill memory modules use 6 Layers PCB





    VALUE SERIES


    GEIL DDR2 256/512/1024/2X512/2X1024-4200 533@4-4-4-121.8V chips??HS=Silver

    GEIL DDR2 256/512/1024/2X512/2X1024-5300 667@4-4-4-121.8V chips??HS=Silver

    GEIL DDR2 256/512/1024/2X512/2X1024-6400 800@5-5-5-151.8V chips??HS=Silver

    GEIL DDR2 1024/2X1024 8000 1000@5-5-5-151.9-2.3V chips??HS=Silver

    *All Geil Value Series memory modules use 6 Layers Ultra Low Noises Shielded PCB


    ULTRA SERIES


    GEIL DDR2 ULTRA 256/512/1024/2x256/2X512/2X1024-4300 533@3-3-3-81.8-2.4V chips??HS=Orange

    GEIL DDR2 ULTRA 512/1024/2X512/2X1024-5400 667@3-4-4-81.8-2.4V chips??HS=Orange

    GEIL DDR2 ULTRA 512/1024/2X512/2X1024-6400 800@4-4-4-121.8-2.3V D9GMH chipsHS=Racing Orange







    DESKTOP & WORKSTATION SERIES

    SUPER TALENT DDR2 256/512/1024/2X51/2X1024 - 4300 533@4--?-?-????Vchips??? HS=Silver?

    SUPER TALENT DDR2 512/1024 - 5400 667@5-?-?-????Vchips??? HS=Silver
    SUPER TALENT DDR2 512/1024 C 5400 667@5--?-?-????Vchips??? HS=Silver



    SUPER RIGID DDR2 SERIES

    SUPER TALENT DDR2 256/512/1024 - 4300 533@4-?-?-????Vchips??? HS=Silver?

    SUPER TALENT DDR2 512/1024 - 5400 667@5-?-?-????Vchips??? HS=Silver?


    OVER-CLOCKED SERIES


    SUPER TALENT DDR2 1024/2X1024 - 6400 800@4-3-4-8???V D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips HS=Silver ---> D9GKXAfter august 2006 the chips onthese modules are D9GCT

    SUPER TALENT DDR2 1024/2X1024 - 8000 1000@5-5-5-15???V D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips New Rev is D9GKX chips HS=Silver




    VALUE SERIES

    SYNCMAX DDR2 512/1024 - 4200 533@?-?-?-????Vchips??? HS=NO

    SYNCMAX DDR2 512/1024 - 5300 667@?-?-?-????Vchips??? HS=NO


    EXPRESS SERIES

    SYNCMAX DDR2 512 - 4200 533@?-?-?-????Vchips??? HS=NO

    SYNCMAX DDR2 512 - 5300 667@?-?-?-????Vchips??? HS=NO





    EXTREME PERFORMANCE SERIES


    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 5300LL 667@4-4-4-12???V chips??? HS=RED
    PATRIOT DDR2 2X1024 - 5300LLK 667@4-4-4-122.1V Elpida chips/newer / D9GMH chips/older HS=Grey


    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 6400LL 800@4-4-4-12*2.1VMicron D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips HS=RED

    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 7200LL 900@5-5-5-152.3+V chips??? HS=RED

    PATRIOT DDR2 512/2X512 - 8000LL 1000@5-5-5-152.3+VMicron D9DQT - Micron BT-3 chips/older..D9GMH/newer HS=RED


    XBL SERIES


    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2x512/2X1024 - 4200XBL 667@3-2-2-42.0VMicron BT-37E chips HS=RED

    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 5600XBL 700@4-3-3-122.1VMicron BT-37E chips--->New modules are elpida and B6-3 HS=RED




    SIGNATURE LINE SERIES


    PATRIOT DDR2 256/512/1024/2048/2X256/2x512/2X1024/2X2048 - 3200 ERK 400@3-?-?-????V chips??? HS=RED

    PATRIOT DDR2 256/512/1024/2048/2X256/2x512/2X1024 - 4200 K 533@4-?-?-? ???V chips??? HS=RED

    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2x512/2X1024 - 5300 S 667@5-?-?-????V chips??? HS=RED

    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2x512/2X1024 - 6400 K 800@5-?-?-????V chips??? HS=RED



    * SPD Programmed to standard 5-5-5-15 values but the modules are Tested at Low Timings of 4-4-4-12 at 2.1V







    INTEL VALIDATED SERIES


    BALLISTIX DDR2 1024 - 4200 533@3-?-?-?1.8V chips??? HS=YELLOW
    PART NUMBER of 4200: MT 8HTF 6464AY 53EB3 has D9DCN chips


    BALLISTIX TRACER SERIES


    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 5300 667@4-4-4-101.9V chips??? HS=YELLOW


    BALLISTIX SERIES

    BALLISTIX DDR2 256/2X256 - 4200 533@3-3-3-101.9V chips??? HS=YELLOW

    BALLISTIX DDR2 256/2X256 - 5300 667@4-4-4-101.9V chips??? HS=YELLOW

    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 5300 667@3-3-3-12 2.2V D9DQT - Micron BT-3--->Micron B6-3 HS=YELLOW

    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 6400 800@4-4-4-12 2.2V Micron BT-37E--->Micron B6-37E Some 2 x 1024 uses Micron B6-25F Some 2 x 512 uses Micron D9GMH HS=YELLOW

    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 8000 1000@5-5-5-15 2.2V Fatbody D9/Micron BT-3 chips--->Micron B6-3 HS=YELLOW




    BUFFALO DDR2 256/512/1024 PC2-4200 V? 533@4-?-?-? D9DCN chips



    Here is all the centon's ddr2 list..i will upadate as soon as i can..
    http://www.centon.com/ddr2/pc2-4200/


    CB-3 can do ~750mhz max 4-4-4 and can be found on value memory modules




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    Last edited by GoriLLakoS; 12-02-2006 at 09:50 AM.
    When Mercedes brought their C111 to Talledega years ago and blew away the closed course record did it count? Yes..
    That was a "factory" car and a "one of" that no one could buy and was never sold.
    Records are records and that is a fact so get over it.

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    nice list GoriLLakoS,

    We needed a thread like this, as ddr2 is becoming a standard we need a good list to see wich chips are on the pcb's

    GREAT!
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    Good

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    Very Good Info... and I think many will be helped by this. GoriLLakoS, superb work.

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    Thanks guys....

    Patriot and Ballistix are up and runnin' from now...
    When Mercedes brought their C111 to Talledega years ago and blew away the closed course record did it count? Yes..
    That was a "factory" car and a "one of" that no one could buy and was never sold.
    Records are records and that is a fact so get over it.

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    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 6400 800@4-4-4-12 2.2V Fatbody D9 chips HS=YELLOW

    ^^ Babe, you make me feel like dancing!!!!

    GoriLLakos, when 2 block are same chip, howcome the specs are THAT different?? - WHen I compare them to the other ones, it seems like they suck, but they'll probaly do the same as supertalent 2GB D9 kit?? Right?
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    Just a heads up "fat body d9" isnt a very descriptive way to talk about the chips. For starters D9 got its name for the fBGA code that Micron uses.

    Its a common mistake but d9 is what *all* Micron fBGA codes start with. In addition there are 2 different types of what you guys call 'fat-body'. One type clocks very very high the other doesnt do 900mhz @ 2.5v.

    The chips people are crazed about are called Micron BT-3 otherwise known as Micron D9DQT which was used in the mushkin 6400 and corsair 6400,5300 etc etc. The second lesser set which you find in patriot,buffalo,centon sticks is another chip called Micron BT-37E which is the 533 binned part and not the 667 (ie failed bt-3)
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    thnx for clearing that sentential!
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    Corrected List

    OCZ EB DDR2 PC2-5400 Titanium 2.1V 667@4-2-2-8 D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    OCZ DDR2 PC2-4200 Platinum Enhanced Bandwidth Revision 2Limited Edition 2.0V 533@3-2-2-8 Micron BT-37E
    OCZ DDR2 PC2-5400 Platinum Enhanced Bandwidth 2.1V 667@4-2-2-8 D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum Enhanced Bandwidth 2.1V D9DQT / Micron BT-3

    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 UL -5400 667@3-3-2-8-1T HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2x1024 UL -8000 1000@5-4-4-9 HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X512 UL-5400 667@3-3-2-8-1T HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X1024 -6400 667@5-5-5-12 HS=Black XMS2 Micron BT-37E
    CORSAIR DDR2 TWINX 2X512 UL -8000 1000@5-4-4-9 HS=Black XMS2 D9DQT / Micron BT-3

    Mushkin PC2-6400 XP 2x512 D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    Mushkin PC2-6400 XP 2x1024 D9DQT / Micron BT-3

    SUPER TALENT DDR2 1024/2X1024 - 6400 800@4-3-4-8???V D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    SUPER TALENT DDR2 1024/2X1024 - 8000 1000@5-5-5-15???V D9DQT / Micron BT-3

    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 6400LL 800@4-4-4-12*2.1V Micron BT-37E
    PATRIOT DDR2 512/2X512 - 8000LL 1000@5-5-5-152.3+V D9DQT / Micron BT-3
    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2x512/2X1024 - 4200XBL 667@3-2-2-4???V Micron BT-37E
    PATRIOT DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 5600XBL 700@4-3-3-12???V Micron BT-37E


    [OLD SETS]
    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 5300 667@3-3-3-12 2.2V Micron BT-3
    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 6400 800@4-4-4-12 2.2V Micron BT-37E
    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 8000 1000@5-5-5-15 2.2V D9DQT / Micron BT-3

    [NEW SETS]
    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 5300 667@3-3-3-12 2.2V Micron B6-3
    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 6400 800@4-4-4-12 2.2V Micron B6-37E
    BALLISTIX DDR2 512/1024/2X512/2X1024 - 8000 1000@5-5-5-15 2.2V Micron B6-3

    /Edited list to reflect BT-3's replacement with B6-3
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    Thnaks sentential for the infos..

    where you have written 2kind of chips you mean that the module maybe have the one or the other???
    When Mercedes brought their C111 to Talledega years ago and blew away the closed course record did it count? Yes..
    That was a "factory" car and a "one of" that no one could buy and was never sold.
    Records are records and that is a fact so get over it.

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    Is the performace of the B6-3 similar to the BT-3 ones?

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    Yes tell us more about the difference of them, which does clocker higher or has better latency, the bt-3 or bt-37e ? (hope i got this in the right way, more or less )

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoD
    Is the performace of the B6-3 similar to the BT-3 ones?
    Yes, what's the difference between B6-3 and BT-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by eiceman
    Yes, what's the difference between B6-3 and BT-3
    Its Micron's next-gen 80nm die. Its a hybrid of the CB series and the BT series. Not quite as good as BT-3 but its close enough for hand grenades and my wallet

    Quote Originally Posted by GoriLLakoS
    Thnaks sentential for the infos..

    where you have written 2kind of chips you mean that the module maybe have the one or the other???
    I dont have B6 yet since they are new but yes ive owned several sets of BT-3. BT is still a better chip, its going to take quite awhile before it will be wholly useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentential
    BT is still a better chip, its going to take quite awhile before it will be wholly useless.
    That's a relief.

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    OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum Enhanced Latency XTC 2.1V 800@4-5-4-15 chips???

    Any update on what kind of chips these use?
    http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...ed_latency_xtc

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    Very nice thread son

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    @Ramen..i can't find nowhere what chips that OCZ kit uses..

    @Athens Thanks Son...
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    That was a "factory" car and a "one of" that no one could buy and was never sold.
    Records are records and that is a fact so get over it.

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    np, I am sure info will pop up sometime soon as more people get their hands on it. Great thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramen
    OCZ DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum Enhanced Latency XTC 2.1V 800@4-5-4-15 chips???

    Any update on what kind of chips these use?
    http://www.ocztechnology.com/product...ed_latency_xtc
    Looks like an Elpida strain to me
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    nice thread GoriLLakoS
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    Does somebody know if there is at all a possibility to buy the old BT-3?
    I cannot find any shop in Germany which is selling 1GB them for human prices :/

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    Very nice work Gorillakos.
    I hope i can see some of them at the new Multirama extreme shop.
    By the way i was there today and i talked to a guy (cannot remember his name/username) that showed me the moded army-case.
    You were there but i have to buy some things in other stores.
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    Very nice tread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spyrus
    Very nice work Gorillakos.
    I hope i can see some of them at the new Multirama extreme shop.
    By the way i was there today and i talked to a guy (cannot remember his name/username) that showed me the moded army-case.
    You were there but i have to buy some things in other stores.
    [OT]Man.....you were at the door and talking with someone about moded cases???

    I was the man with the light blue sweat....with a screen on my hand...[/OT]

    Sorry for the OT...

    Thanks nn_step

    You have to help us too man..i know you know many things..
    When Mercedes brought their C111 to Talledega years ago and blew away the closed course record did it count? Yes..
    That was a "factory" car and a "one of" that no one could buy and was never sold.
    Records are records and that is a fact so get over it.

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