I have a hp f2304 and the native resolution is 1920 x 1200, not just 1920 x 1200 pixels. I always thought resolution on the 2405 was also 1920 x 1200, but it is not. This is why I asked.
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I have a hp f2304 and the native resolution is 1920 x 1200, not just 1920 x 1200 pixels. I always thought resolution on the 2405 was also 1920 x 1200, but it is not. This is why I asked.
Turok- I'll post up some impressions in a week or two when I get my 2405fpw. I'm a little worried about motion blur compared to my 2005fpw (I don't notice any at all on it and that's coming from a previous CRT owner) but most of the owners opinions I've read online say they don't notice any.
ellfear post some pics too im washing my mom brain to buy me one xD so i need PICS xD and some impression should be nice i had a OLD 15" benq lcd and never notice blur i think there is some ppl that is more sensitive to it :P
freaking nice guide
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Originally Posted by dogsx2
Isnt Native Resolution always = to amount of pixels on a lcd?
And the 2405 IS 1920*1200 and has probably always been tho the panel in it probably won't change without a name change.
I think in that flyer they missprintet the info.
/Danne
Just wanted to pop back in and let you know I have had my N2750W for about two days now and loving it. It is bright as all get up. The default is 50 and I find myself squinting because it is so bright. Sharpness is great once I set my computer to the 1280x720 with a 1:1 Aspect Ratio on the N2750W. Setup was simple and quick.
Acer to deliver 24-inch wide screen LCD monitors in October:
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Ar...ges=PR&seq=208
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Looks niceQuote:
Originally Posted by Gogar
1 Taiwan dollar = 0.0302281 U.S. dollars
20"
NT$ 17,800 = US$ 538.06
24"
NT$ 24,400 = US$ 870.57
If the price is the same in the US, and the specs are as good as they look, it could be the best 20" and 24" LCDs, and one of the cheapest
Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
as i said to you in your other post better get the 24" 2405fpw from dell better resolution and nice price or if you want big one the apple 30" this is really :slobber:
lol well i perhaps could but right now i dont have any and i dont when im going to have one if i have any word soon i would PM you and TUROK cuz i know both wants lcd :P
I REALLY want that 2405 DELL....
C
I would wait for those Acer 20" and 24" LCDs that are going to release in October
Could be cheaper, since the price in USD is about $500 (20") and $800 (24")
www.slickdeals.net usually posts most of the coupon offers from several stores.Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
In the site, search in order of "D"s and look for "Dell Business" or "Dell Home"
If you already knew this, then I dont know what else to recommend :p:
As I said, I would wait for the Acer to see if its a better solution for around $800.
If it is, Dell will probably lower their prices like 50%, because a 6ms-8ms on a 24" pannel with 1000:1 contrast ratios and 500:1 brightness you would expect it to cost $1500-$2000, wile Acer says its going to sell for around $800 (cheaper than the 2405fpw with nice coupons and discounts)
The cheapest the 2405fpw has gone is about $700 with some lucky discounts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MickeyMouse
Hi M8,
I'm very please with this monitor for DVD Playback and Web Surfing.
I'm using DVI input right now. I have not noiced any buzzing coming from the speakers. I do not see where you can diable the speakers but you can turn the volume down to zero.
As for the FP2405 you will want to look at high pitched squeal otherwise I would have probably went with it because of of the CNET reviews by owners of the LCD. My wife is particularly sensative to noise of this type.
Here are the pictures fo the N2750w:
the high pitch noise was a problem with old models and if you recieve a monitor with that rma it....
i like the 2405 fpw cuz is high resolution and large screen
I haven't noticed this mentioned anywhere, but Samsung has a lesser known model, the 214T is a 21.3-inch TFT-PVA. It reportedly has a response time of 8ms G to G, 900:1 contrast ratio, a brightness of 300 cd/m², .27 dot pitch, 1600 x 1200 maximum resolution, a scanning frequency of 30-81 kHz horizontal and 56-75 Hz vertical, and a horizontal/vertical viewing angle of 178°/178°.
That makes it better than any of the 20" models, on paper, that I've seen, and the best response time of the 21" models.
There's only a few places that sell it, and it runs in the $750-800 range. I haven't found any decent reviews in a quick google scan, but it may be something you want to check out for inclusion in the guide.
Great guide btw...excellent information.
peace,
Aielman
I'm finally converting to an LCD after waiitng until the technology was cost effective compared to CRT. I loved my IBM 21" (Trinitron) P260 and it's source/s have sentimental value (a gift turing very hard times). It heats an entire house.
[B]This guide has benn the most informative (technically) I've bothered to read. There may a few more in-depth, but your "to the point" writing wastes no time in giving me the info I needed. Thank you.
I need a 19" LCD I see people are conflicting as to which to get.
1st.) How safe is it to have them shipped? This has been the one fact preventing me from purchase. Stores where I live are too costly.
2nd.) I know this question is redundant, but in YOUR opinion what are the best (or best based technology) on buys at the moment on 19" technology and will 19" look larger or even to my current 20" viewable? Is it possible to get a good deal on 19" MVA panels or must I go 19" TN for 300USD - 400USD (approximate) prices?
I'm finally converting to an LCD after waiitng until the technology was cost effective compared to CRT. I loved my IBM 21" (Trinitron) P260 and it's source/s have sentimental value (a gift turing very hard times). It heats an entire house.
[B]This guide has been the most informative (technically) I've bothered to read. There may a few more showing more models, but your "to the point" writing wastes no time in giving me the technical info I needed. Thank you.
I need a 19" LCD I see people are conflicting as to which to get.
1st.) How safe is it to have them shipped? This has been the one fact preventing me from purchase. Stores where I live are too costly.
2nd.) I know this question is redundant, but in YOUR opinion what are the best (or best based technology) on buys at the moment on 19" technology and will 19" look larger or even to my current 20" viewable? Is it possible to get a good deal on 19" MVA panels or must I go 19" TN for 300USD - 400USD (approximate) prices?
I hope somewhere in the next couple of months Dell will supply new products featuring HDCP-DVI/HDMI and HDMI input (and i'll hope on the same sizes and prices too).
I got the viewsonic VX924 off of compusa. Had a $100 credit so wtf. Anyways I'm happy to say I can't notice any ghosting or motion blurring on BF2/FFXI/CS:S. One thing that REALLY sucks is that when looking at the sky in BF2 and such, it's a if the game was running in 16bit color mode. You can see color "bands" as the sky goes from bright white to dark blue. It reminds me of the old school Voodoo 2/3 days.
So that sucks. I don't know if it's because of the 16.2 mil colors of the TN panel instead of the 16.7 mil of the MVA panels, but if I had to do it again, I'd prob go with the VP191b for sure. :slap:
Looks like a nice LCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aielman
Dang... I wonder why there arent many review :rolleyes:Quote:
There's only a few places that sell it, and it runs in the $750-800 range.
Ill check on that LCD with Salahuddin
He's usually informed with new LCD stuff from BeHardware.
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If your IBM P260 is 20" viewable, a 19" LCD will be one inch smaller in viewable area (measuring diagonally of course)Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquid3D
CRTs are measured from the edges of the monitor's casing, wile LCDs are measured by the viewable area.
Another thing you should note is that a 20" widescreen isnt the same as a 20" 4:3 (squared screen). The windescreen will be wider but shorter, because aspect ratios are usually measured from angle to angle in inches.
*I may add this info on the guide with a LCD vs CRT graphical comparison of viewable area measurements
1) Shipping should be safe, or else you should be able to get your money back or a replacement.
It all depends on how the company boxes their products, and how the shipping company handles it.
If the pannel recieves a hard impact on the screen, it could cause some pixels to get stuck, causing what is known as "dead pixels".
When you get your LCD, make sure to test it with everything to see if it has any abnormal issues so you can return it before your return waranty expires.
2) The VP191b (v2) is the best 19" LCD out there. There is a samsung pannel that suposedly uses the same pannel, but I dont know much about it :P
NewEgg sells it for $452 afther shipping. Its worth the extra $52
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116277
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Ive never seen the VX924 on BF2, so I dont know for sure if its because of the 6 bit colorQuote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
I think it could be something else tho
Im guessing you hace it connected with your DVI cable, otherwise image quality wont be the same.
Make sure your LCD is well calibrated.
Thats the thing. I've never calibrated an LCD. And since I'm using DVI, I can't use the auto calibrate thingie
Any suggestions?
You can calibrate your monitor by setting up the colors and everything to the perfect measurements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
To calibrate your monitor in a more precise way, you need something that's called a colormeter/spectrometer which is somethingthat you hang on your screen and it has a sensor that detects the purity of each color with the help of a software (which is included with the hardware).
In THG I found this:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/dis...wsonic-02.html
So this confirms that the monitor requires calibration out of the box.Quote:
Originally Posted by THG
I also found this in THG:
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/dis...19_lcd-01.html
but I cant find a VX924 software thing :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by THG
I would use a picture with pure colors, and different color scales and try to make RPG look as pure as possible.
You could use this image I googled for your manual calibration:
http://www.fotomag.net/index_pics/Mo...on%20chart.jpg
Thank you I really appreciate it. Whom makes this 930B everyone talks about? I know where CRT's were concenred tyhere was two "real" choices Mitsubishi technology and Sony Trinitron technology (i think).Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
So with LCD's is it Samsung? And whom makes VP191B v2?
How about this Viewsonic for $285
The LCD I was refering to is the Viewsonic VP191b (v2). I dont know much about the other samsung that uses a simmilar panel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liquid3D
If you want the best 19" LCD, get the VP191b, otherwise your second option would the the Hyundai L90D+, which you can find between $330-$350.
The 930B is a Samsung LCD, and the panel maker is Samsung too :p:
The VP191B (v2) is a Viewsonic LCD, and the panel maker is AU Optronics.
Was googleing about the VA902b, and it looks like a new LCD
Was released August 6, 2005
Im guessing its an S-IPS pannel because of the specs.
Didnt find any useful reviews.
There is a big problem tho. The LCD doesnt have a DVI port :stick:
*image from NewEgg.com
http://images10.newegg.com/productim...116-363-07.JPG
So.... Turok, whats up man? Its been a while. So, I am sitting here, reading this thread, with my credit card out, and a 23" Apple Cinema HD in my cart, and then this thread, of course, and I am afraid I am going to make another purchase that I am going to regret (case... RAM...).
So, what is a good course of action? I have briefly read abou the new 24" (is that it) with the 8MS response time, or something like that, available in November... I am going to actually read the goddam thread in detail, but what to do??
Thanks a great deal... In advance
Yan
Well crap, I found something on this LCD that has me pissed off to high hell. On the bottom of the screen, it has some SERIOUS light bleeding issues. On dark maps in CS:S for example, you can see it very clearly.
Does anyone if I can return the monitor to Compusa because of this?
I was thinking about returning it and exchanging it for this one:
930b
Any opinions?
EDIT*
Just checked my receipt and it says I can return it within 21 days of purchase if I'm not sattisfied so I think thats what I'll do. Question is; Is the Samsung 930B suitable for gaming? I think it must be an MVA panel, or I hope at least.
Yes, thats right, I'm asking about a monitor that has 930b in its name but not the Samsung 930b, rather the viewsonic vp930b - I have read that this monitor will possibly be replacing the vp191b. The only difference on paper I see is that the newer viewsonic's panel has a 1000:1 contrast ratio rather than the 191b's 800:1.
But I have learned to be suspicious of "claims" about LCD monitor performance from manufacturers. Does any one own one or have any insights about it? It seems to new to have any professional reviews out about it yet.
Viewsonic vp930b
I was looking at possibly getting the vp191b but that might turn out to be a bad move if this one is the same in most respects and maybe better in others.
Just went to Compusa and exchanged my VX924 for the Samsung 930B. GODDAMITT!!!
This thing has light bleeding ON ALL 4 EDGES of the screen. And on the top edged the light bleeding extends a good 1 1/2-2" down. It completely ruins the gaming experience on dark levels.
On the plus side, it does have GREAT color representaion, no ghosting or motion blurring (in BF2, FFXI, ans CS:S atleast).
I think I'm going to keep it for a couple of days and go back to the VX924.
Does anyone have any opinions on an LCD that doesn't have light bleeding at all?
I keep hearing about the 930B being the best-value in 19" myself, however; I haven't heard about "bleeding" issues.
930b light bleeding
Do a find of "bleed" on that web page and you'll read what I'm talking about. Basically it's as if the backlight of the LCD got in through the edges of the screen and completely drowns out the black color on the edges so they look like a dark grey instead of black.
I think I'll go to CompUSA and exchange it for another 930B as one user commented he had to go through 3 930b's till he found one without this issue. If the next one still has the same issue, I'm switching back to the VX924 as the light bleeding on that one is much more minor than this one, and it's only on the bottom of the screen.
I'll miss the better color production on DVD'd and such, but I'm mostly a gamer so I'll just live with it.
Can you post a picture of the screen on a compleatly black background so I know what your talking about?
Just thought I'd follow up on a thread I had a few months ago about buying a 19" TFT, but after a good few months use with the display. I ended up going for a viewsonic VP191B, best decision I ever made, in fact I'd go so far as to call it the best computer related purchase I ever made.
Colour reproduction is fantastic, vivid and dynamic, but not to much and not over saturated. Viewing angles are unbelievable, I can watch the screen from anywhere in the room and it still looks perfect. Gaming is just a pleasure, with only VERY minor bluring on a few colour transitions (A flag marker on BF2 against a dark background for example blurs slightly when you move), dark levels look great and bright colourful levels look outstanding. The ergonomics are just brilliant, its hard to believe I ever lived with position adjusting options of a CRT, being able to bring the panel up so its centred on eye line is great, and then dropping to down so its touching the desk and bringing it forward when your watching films/tv is really great. It looks really impressive styling wise, simplistic black lines and V shaped feet make it look and feel profesional and smooth, my desk has never looked so good (black keyboard mouse + pad and the beautiful VP191B).
Overall as you can guess FANTASTIC! If your thinking about this display, forget the price and BUY BUY BUY!!!! I really could NEVER go back to a CRT after using this, I can bearly use CRTs now, they are never focused or the right brightness and the image is always distorted by the curvature of the glass (even on 'flat' CRTs), and I always try and adjust them to suit me looking at it, never works.
Can a 6600GT handle the max resolution for Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24-in CD?
I'm looking to buy a Dell UltraSharp 2405FPW 24-inch Wide Aspect Flat Panel LCD and I want to know if my eVGA 6600GT will be able to handle the maximum resolution of 1920 X 1200 at 76Hz.
im getting a vp 191b this week, theo404 you seem to be happy w this lcd how good is for gamming ?
That's a definite negatory. Check below for a full list of supported cards from Dell.Quote:
Originally Posted by agenda2005
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/lear...tix&~tab=other
s0ulfly:
Its brilliant for gaming, with only very slight bluring on certain colour transitions (nearly always just on one point, never big parts of the screen):
Its really immersive with a 19" LCD, because of the size, and clarity of the image. Honestly you will NOT be able to go back to a CRT, for gaming or anything else.Quote:
Gaming is just a pleasure, with only VERY minor bluring on a few colour transitions (A flag marker on BF2 against a dark background for example blurs slightly when you move), dark levels look great and bright colourful levels look outstanding.
I hear you man. I've been testing a lot of TN panels over the months and I think the best "pure gaming" LCD on the market today is the BenQ FP91V+ (a 6ms GTG TN panel). I actually bought it AGAIN after testing it several months ago and am thinking of actually keeping it this time. Backlight bleeding, amongst other things, was one of the major issues that annoyed me for many of the LCD monitors I tested (although I did not try the 930B, I did test the VX924). Both the new and the previous FP91V+ monitors I tried had no backlight bleeding at all that I could notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tibu
Beware, however, that the BenQ FP91V+ has a glossy screen. Some may find it annoying for gaming and definitely consider the purchase if you don't have control of the lighting in your room. However, I find it a little less glossy than the NEC LCD1970GX (which had major backlight bleeding) and both movies and games really come alive on it. I actually called a bunch of friends over the other day and showed them some movies on it and everyone left quite impressed. Staples carries it here in Canada.
If I return this monitor, it might be for the new Samsung 19-inch widescreen panel just released, the 940MW. It has a widescreen resolution of 1440x900 and is an 8ms TN panel. No reviews on this one yet though that I can find. Also, the FP91V+ has a successor called the FP91V, which is a 4ms TN panel. Problem is that its only been marketed in Europe. The review at hardwarezone.com, however, says the FP91V+ is still better.
Oh and just so everyone knows before deciding to fork out tons of cash for a nice monitor. Windows Vista scheduled for release in less than 18 months from now will apparently make ALL CURRENT MONITORS OBSOLETE. Do a Google search of it to find out the facts... but, as I understand it, it will use a certain high resolution format that no current monitor supports.
I seriously doubt this, microsoft would never shoot themselves in the foot like that. Maybe if it was to released in two years, just maybe that would be so, but 18 months??? Would they really expect all windows vista users to buy a new display.....i think not. There will be a patch or even just a different setting that enables you to use current displays.Quote:
Windows Vista scheduled for release in less than 18 months from now will apparently make ALL CURRENT MONITORS OBSOLETE.
Woooo, hold it right there.
No one buy a 2405fpw or any other LCDs > 19" !
You will regret it really bad :nono:
We are at a point where LCD tech is starting to evolve.
Faster, and better looking LCDs will arive, just be patient.
Check out these articles from BeHardware:
1) New TN and VA panel updates. We will start to see 8ms 20", 23", and 24" more accessible in price, and perform better than LCDs like the 2x05FPWs and the Apple Cinemas
http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...christmas.html
2) SED comming soon. SED TVs expected late this year, and SED PC Monitors expected late 2006 - Early 2007. If I were you, I would wait for one of those 8ms 20" VA panels for about 550 € and then update to a SED monitor on 2007.
http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...-kind-sed.html
Thanks for the advice. I'm actually getting the monitor for someone that I'm building a new system for. I will talk to him and advise him on what you've said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
Sorry, Theo404, should have explained more in detail. You will apparently be able to use your current displays, but you will have a significant loss in functionality of what you are able to do with Windows Vista. This is what I meant by current monitors going obsolete. As for Microsoft shooting itself in the foot... as I understand it they don't have much choice. Something about the new format being able to prevent the pirating of movies and perhaps software and therefore its being pushed hard by other industries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theo404
Anyways, just look up any information on Windows Vista and you'll see that many reports have confirmed this.
Sure, when Turok says it and everyone listens. When I say it, everyone ignores me ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
The Dell 2405 FPW is the worst 23-inch panel you can buy... there is a reason why it is so cheap. In general, if you have a powerful graphics card, you want to be able to take advantage of the speed. There is no panel > 19-inch that is faster than 16ms, which translates to a MAXIMUM of 62 FPS in the best possible scenario. Since, a 16ms panel will have most transitions worse than 16ms, the actual frame rate you'll be able to see will be significantly less than 62 FPS... maybe like 30-40 FPS. What's the point of having a powerful graphics card and buying monitor which will hinder your gaming experience by so much... not to mention the afterglow issues?
If you need to buy an LCD today, I'd suggest an 8ms or faster panel. Panels like the Samsung 930BF, BenQ FP91V+ and Viewsonic VX924 use various forms of Overdrive technologies that increase voltage to speed up transition times to allow monitors to handle much higher FPS and reduce afterglow. The VP191B and its successor the VP930B are better all around monitors, but they are 8ms MVA panels and slower than these fast TN panels for gaming. You can see proof of this here (compare afterglow results of different monitors including the VP191B and CRTs):
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/duels.p...89&ma2=48&ph=2
BTW, Turok, I just got your PM (I didn't log on for a while)... feel free to add my other post to this guide bro. I just thought it was somewhat unrelated and might of done well as a post on its own.
thanks god I saw this last posts, I had already on mind getting one 23" LCD in next couple weeks, thanks to Turok and ever1 else who helped on this great guide, one of the best if not the best guide I already saw about LCD's
:worship: :worship: :worship:
There's no functionality being lost in Windows Vista with current monitors.
It's just High-Definition video and the ability to see it on your computer screen.
If your monitor is not HDCP compliant, then you won't be able to watch High-definition video on your computer.
That's it. That's all.
Gaming and all the other things will work just fine.
For clarification, please see this:
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paed...hdcp-vista.ars
:( i read this now :P i got my vp191b today xD
i love this lcd
I dont agree about this. I think 24" adds to the experience + 1920*1080.Quote:
Originally Posted by Salahuddin
I have a Samsung 242mp but had an order for a 8ms gaming lcd before i got this one here. I was going to be gaming on the 19" because of posts like yours. But if one read other ppls reviews ppl that have the screen 99% thinks thier lcd´s is great. And that not only because "bragging rights" and not admitting to put big cash for a not so good screen.
I canceled the order om the 19"lcd when i got this screen. I cant see any ghosting and what i see is what counts for me, and big screen is nice when gaming. High resolution also.
I believe I read somewhere that future games will contain HDCP content as well. If this is true, that means current monitors won't support high definition content in new games and videos. Perhaps you can still watch movies and play games... but I guess it comes down to what you consider makes a piece of technology obsolete or not. IMO this would be a big loss in functionality and would make my monitor obsolete. I would also personally regret it I blew a lot of cash on a monitor now to find this out later. To each his own I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by okra
If it sounded like I meant your ability to actually click on icons and open programs or other simple Windows functionality would be lost, I apologize because that isn't what I meant.
I'm not saying not to love your 24-inch monitor. But facts are facts, and I'm only posting the facts. Playing in high resolution on a large screen indeed can increase the gaming experience by making you feel more immersed, but 99% of users don't think 23+ inch screen are great for gaming. That is myth not fact. No professional review has ever rated a 23+ inch, or even 20-inch monitor for that matter, over a fast 17 or 19-inch TN panel in terms of gaming performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danne980
I'm not familiar with the Samsung monitor you have, but looking it up on www.prad.de, I see it is a 16ms PVA panel. That is the same panel-type used in the Dell 2405FPW. Its fine if you don't notice any afterglow. There are people out there that don't notice afterglow on a 25ms PVA panel. And the fact is, the more you play on any monitor, the less you "notice" the afterglow. This, however, doesn't change the facts. There IS afterglow... and competitive gamers will be disadvantaged on panels whether they see afterglow or not, simply because the monitor's ability to react to motion is less. Even on a 20-inch 16ms S-IPS panel I tested (Viewsonic V201S), which has fairly low afterglow and is much more responsive than a 16ms PVA panel, I noticed an instantaneous improvement in my first-person shooter gaming when moving to an 8ms TN panel. Plus, remember that response time gets worse the larger the panel becomes, so a 24-inch 16ms panel is less responsive than that exact same panel in a 19-inch or smaller display. And this all goes without even mentioning frames per second (FPS)... you can look up yourself what the maximum FPS achievable on a 16ms screen is (its 62 FPS). That is the best case scenario and its fact.
At the end of the day, you can disagree with what you feel is better for gaming, but you can't disagree with the responsiveness of the panel. What panel you prefer depends on what type of game you're playing too. If you like MMORPGs or single-player FPSs, where you prefer the immersion of a big screen over being competitive and you don't demand really fast frame rates... than I can totally see the enjoyment a 16ms 24-inch panel would bring. However, if you're competitive, prefer gaming at fast frame rates, and depend on your reaction time (as in multiplayer FPS and strategy games)... you will be limited by your monitor.
In the end, the industry is pushing LCDs with lower response times precisely for this reason... if 99% of people found 16ms PVA panels perfect for gaming, there would be no point nor profit in doing this.
Making final purchase need help. Prefer not to have item shipped due top compications which can arise so the first few choices are to local electronic stores. My budget for 19" LCD is only $350 maximium. All below are 19" Your input would be greatly app-rciated. I'm looking for all around quality with a leaning towards gaming and DVD playback.
1.) Circuit city Samsung 930B $329 aftr $70 rebate
2.) Circuit city Gateway FPD1960 $309 after $40 REBATE
3.) Circuit city Proview PL916S $299 after $50 rebate
4.) Best Buy Samsung 914V $329
5.) Staples NEC ASLCD92V $349
6.) CompUSA Aduveu 1901B $299
7.) Newegg BenQ FP91G+ $275 after $30 rebate
8.) Newegg Viewsonic VX924 $349
Any other suggestions would help, and there's many at Newegg but I'm trying to avoid getting a damaged panle such as dead pixels, etc.
Hey Liquid3D,
That's smart. Buy from local resellers with a 14-30 day no hassle return policy. That way if you have dead pixels, backlight issues or just don't like the monitor, you didn't just waste your money.
On your list, the best monitor on there IMO, is the Viewsonic VX924. I've read it has excellent black levels for a TN panel and decent picture quality. However, I don't think it is THAT BIG of an improvement over previous generation 8ms TN panels that it is worth $100 more.
IMO, the Samsung 930B and the BenQ FP91G+ are equivalent in terms of performance. However, check if the FP91G+ has a DVI port or not. No matter what, you want to buy a monitor with a DVI port. I read a review that said the FP91G+ only had only analog input, but BenQ's website says it has DVI. Also, CNET seems to have given the 930B a poor review due to picture quality. I don't see any direct reviews for the FP91G+, but the 17-inch version and the 19-inch predecessor have received good reviews.
The Samsung 914V I believe is a predecessor (i.e. older model) to some really good Samsung monitors. It is analog input only though, I believe.
As for the other monitors, I have never seen any review or read any anecdotes of Gateway or Proview ever making good monitors (rather I've seen the opposite). So I would be hesitant buying these brands. I've never heard of Aduveu, but it seems to be an old 25ms TN or VA type panel. So I suspect it will have significant afterglow issues. Lastly, NEC monitors tend to be overpriced compared to their competitors even when their products aren't better. The NEC ASLCD92V seems like an old model and for $350 you have better monitors on the list to choose from.
In conclusion, the best value on your list, IMO, is the FP91G+ especially if it carries a DVI port. It was recommended on Sharky's High-End Gaming System Buyer's Guide for September 2005:
http://www.sharkyextreme.com/guides/...707_3552841__5
If no DVI port, I'd get the VX924.
BTW... just in case you or someone else may be thinking of purchasing the BenQ FP91V+ (not the FP91G+) that I was saying good things about a couple of posts back... I would now like to warn people NOT TO BUY THIS MONITOR. Although it doesn't have backlight bleeding, it has a backlight that is significantly uneven in its intensity. I didn't notice it at first, but when I displayed uniform colours on my screen, it caught my eye. Then I did some more testing on it, and actually found that this is a problem with the monitor in some of my searches. So its definitely not worth the money. I plan to return mine in the next few days.
Anyways, hope that helps.
Thank you it really does help :)
What I'm thiking is this.
It seems the ONLY reason to go to Circuit City (or buy locally) is the Samsung 930b is avilable locally. Other then that should I simply take the risk (shipping) and go Newegg?
Here's a few 19" deals I forgot (especially the L90D+ which seems to be highly regarded);
1.) Newegg Viewsonic VX924 $349 After $10 instant savings $14.50 shiping
2.) Newegg HYUNDAI L90D+ $319
3.) Newegg Samsung 940b $349 after $10 instant savings, $14.50 3-Day shipped (as are all below)
4.) Newegg Viewsonic VG910b $369
5.) Newegg Viewsonic VA912b $309
6.) Newegg Planar PL1910M $342
It still seems to me as if the Viewsonic VX924 (as you said) seems to on just about every top ten list or gamers list etc along with the 930b (perhaps now the 940b). I won't be doing DVD playback although I did mention that, Ihave a Sony Trinitron TV for that.
I'll use the monitor primarily for Gaming (actually benchmarking for reviews), Internet surfing, writing, and Photo editing for review photos. Bottom line are the Newegg models worth the shipping risk?
Well, I personally consider ordering an LCD online too much of a risk. Its a matter of personal preference and what you're willing to except. Newegg won't replace your item if you have a few dead pixels and you have to pay for shipping back to them I believe. I'm absolutely neurotic when it comes to the condition and performance of my computer parts so I might be in the minority with this suggestion.
I find it strange that the VX924 isn't carried locally. Bestbuy and Staples carries them here in Canada (we don't have Circuit City). Maybe just buy the 930B and try it first... if you don't like it return it then order online if you have no other choice.
However, for the price, I don't think you can go wrong with the Hyundai L90D+ or BenQ FP91G+. The only monitor I might consider better for pure gaming is the VX924, but the difference is very minor that I don't think its worth the cash unless you can get it at a discount.
You know what you can try... IMO the 930B, the L90D+ and the FP91G+ will be very close in gaming performance. Visual quality is hard to estimate since there aren't many reviews on the FP91G+... Also, I've heard the L90D+ looks very good, but its a little too bright (notice its higher contrast ratio to the other monitors). So, I would do a trial of the 930B and download this small program:
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/ghosting_test.html
Check out the blurring of the car on the last test on the 930B and compare it to the VX924 on this link:
http://www.prohardver.hu/rios3_popup.php?mod=21&id=801 (this is in Hungarian so just look at the pictures)
Then just test out the monitor to see if you notice any blurring in gaming that you find unacceptable and if you think the colours are ok or not (if you have an NVidia card, you can calibrate your monitor on the Display driver). Also, check out the backlight and see if you notice any bleeding. Then you can make a more informed decision on if its worth the risk of ordering any other monitor online or not.
Oh also, you might consider ordering online from Best Buy, Futureshop or Staples if you don't have one locally... you still get a 30 day return period that way. I've also heard that Sam's Club might carry the L90D+ in the US... but you have to visit the store to know for sure. Might want to hit Costco too if you have either locally.
Salahuddin, I think you're exagerating a bit :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Salahuddin
Yes, 20", 23", and 24" monitors are a lot slower than a lot of the 17" and 19" monitors, but it's still playable with FPS games.
Sometimes those reviews make a LCD look like cr@%$ if it has one flaw.
Right now I wouldnt buy any 20", 23", or 24" LCD not because they are cr@%$, but because of the new LCDs coming up. It will just make your new 2405fpw look like cr@%$
Sorry Turok,
It seems what I wrote could easily be interpreted differently than what I meant. Where I said:
"99% of users don't think 23+ inch screen are great for gaming"
I meant to say,
"It is NOT true that 99% of users think 23+ inch screen are great for gaming."
I was just trying to counter the claim in the previous post which said that 99% of users thought large LCDs were great for gaming. I apologize if it came across otherwise. Otherwise I think the rest of my post was factual.
And just so you know I'm not some geek opposed to large screen LCDs... if I didn't play all types of games, I would prefer a 23+ inch LCD for some the RPGs I like. However, I'd prefer the S-IPS panel in the Hewlitt Packard, Apple Cinema or BenQ over the PVA panel used in the Dell.
Addendum:
Confirmation that I'm always right ;) (visual confirmation of the ACTUAL response time on the Dell 2405FPW compared to the Samsung 243T (which is also a slow monitor, but found to be much more repsonsive than the Dell)):
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=900484
Oh, and check out this brand new 8ms 21-inch widescreen monitor with HDCP support! Only $599 at BestBuy in the US!
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=960883
That monitor looks so nice :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Salahuddin
I still need to buy a monitor, and its most likely going to be a 8ms 20" or 21" Widescreen VA panel with Display Port compatible. Cant buy a larger screen because of money, and because I dont think my x850xt will be able to handle newer games with a larger LCD.
Ill wait for reviews, more 8ms LCDs, and a bit of a price drop when more competitors show up with 8ms widescreen TFTs
Ill stay with the 8ms LCD until SED widescreen monitors are released in 2007 ;)
EDIT:
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/2...ewaylcd4zk.gif
More info at the Gateway site
http://www.gateway.com/programs/lcd/
OMFG... that means goodbye to the $400 i just spent cuz of the stooopid HDCP... Good times; i sure pick a great time to upgrade to LCD. :stick:
Also, check out this 24-inch 6ms PVA panel by Acer?
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000757060121/
Don't get too hyped though, recently an 8ms PVA panel was shown to have MORE afterglow than a 16ms S-IPS panel (so I'd wait for some reviews):
http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...come-back.html
That 6ms PVA panel in the Acer is made by Samsung and will also be in their new 19-inch monitor, the Samsung Syncmaster 970P. This is a 19-inch monitor and is to be the successor of the 193P+.
Also, just thought I'd re-mention the Samsung 940MW... this is a WIDESCREEN 8ms 19-inch TN panel. Native resolution is 1440 x 900.
BTW, Tibu, can't you still return your monitor? With all the new stuff apparently coming to the market, maybe you should ditch the 930B and get a Hyundai L90D+ or BenQ FP91G+. These monitors are less expensive, better quality and just as responsive. In fact, I just found out the FP91G+ uses an A+ panel where as most LCDs use B panels or worse... this grade determines the homogeniety of the backlight (check this link out to find out more about panel grades: http://www.behardware.com/articles/5...d-pixels.html). Should save you $100 bucks. Then 1-2 years down the road, get that amazing monitor with HDCP and everything you've been waiting for. I think that is what I'm going to do. I'm sick of waiting lol.
Sorry if my point got lost because of my bad english. The point was, i know that there are lcd´s superior to mine when messuring response time. But after i tryed it (playing fps pretty much on pretty high lvl) i didnt see much gain in ordering another 8ms or lower screen. And for me i would buy this screen again because of alround it in my oppinion beats the smaller screens due to screen size and resolution. Playing world of warcraft 1920*1080 is very nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Salahuddin
I just thaught you bashed pretty hard on the big lcd´s i think they have thier place.
And to my post about 99% maybe it was stupid to use a number but i think most ppl are going to be satisfied with one of the new big lcd´s, even at fps games.
Nice thread btw!
You're right Danne and I apologize too if I came down hard on large screen LCDs. That wasn't my intent either... forgive me if I said something earlier that made it come out that way. I try to be objective but I'll be the first to admit I'm far from perfect. And don't be sorry about your english... its pretty good ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Danne980
Polyview/CMV
Are these any Good?? The Specs Look Decent.
19"
Hey, if you guys need any information about the 2405 then just pm me or ask away. I just got one of the 2 monitors that I order. Got it for a great price so I couldn't help it. I was planning on ordering 3 but yea...since HDCP and all the crap...
I don't know why people worry about backlight so much, unless you watch movies alot on your pc. I may have little backlight(didn't check for that long), For me everything about this monitor is great. I well be getting another lcd soon with HDCP or a Plasma(huge discount).
Sorry but I don't have a DC so there won't be any picture anytime soon. I may end up buying one soon though. This is my first monitor and well this is just my opinion, while some may notice ghosting and all the, I don't. Though at first the mouse movenmet felt somewhat slow then again its alot bigger screen then my 17crt.
I am bidding on one as we speak. How is it? I am leery of the 12ms response time. Does it perform well watching DVDs? Gaming?
I am trying to get one for around $750, how much did you guve for yours, and from where?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
F6
I just wanted to add my own experiences with these monitors. I have used both an L90D+ and a VP191B which I purchased recently. I compared the two at the same time by connecting them to both of my graphics card and running them in clone mode. I am actually writing this review using the VP191B right now.
Unfortunately, while not being a bad monitor, In my opinion the VP191B is very overrated. The reviews at sites such as Tom's Hardware Guide would lead you to believe it performs better than TN panels. This is simply not true. The color accuracy is certainly better using the VP191B, and you can enable font smoothing without the text becoming tinged greenish or reddish (a problem you will run into on a TN monitor like the L90D+).
The problem is in games using the VP191B there is very visible ghosting. It is quite noticeable and very distracting. The ghosting is apparent during transitions between darker colors (dark gray or black) and lighter areas. I tested out a few games and you can see it in Guild Wars, and it is just terrible in Doom 3 (the game is very "busy" with a lot of lines on the walls and all of them blur/ghost when moving). I think you could play games on this monitor, but I would not recommend it unless you are not very sensitive visually (if you're the type that can't tell the difference between a CRT running at 60Hz and 100 Hz then maybe you won't notice). Other than that I think you will be very disappointed in games.
With the L90D+ the ghosting is much less bad. It may exist, but I really can't even see it. The color accuracy is not as good so font smoothing is unusable, but other than that the color is fine. In fact, the colors are actually more vibrant and the dark level is lower than on the VP191B. Movies look fine on the L90D+, and they also look fine on the VP191B, although the lower brightness level of the L90D+ is a small bonus.
Overall I would strongly recommend against buying the VP191B, not just because of its performance in games, but also because it is so much more expensive than the L90D+ and other comparable panels like the BenQ FP91G+ or VX924. If the price were equal then you could weigh the trade offs between the VP191B and a different panel, but considering the price is $100-$150 higher, the VP191B is simply not worth it, especially if games are important to you. The L90D+ on the other hand is an awesome panel, with the exception of a little loss in color accuracy, it performs very well in games and looks damn good too.
Also, while games play decently on the L90D+ which I believe is rated 8ms (although the ratings are kind of inaccurate in themselves), I would not consider anything slower for games. I really feel that a 12ms monitor will probably perform very poorly based on my experience with the VP191B. Anything much slower than the L90D+ may suffer from some pretty bad ghosting.
What do you think about Asus in LCD monitors?:
http://www.asus.com/products4.aspx?l...42&modelmenu=1
Thanks!!
One more that is satisfied with his 24" samsung panel display :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Salahuddin
http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/dell2405/index.htm
I have the same conclusion about it as he does. My conclusion is that very few ppl has seen ghosting on that panel. And the ones that have probably is "pros" and for the everyday gamer its just excelent.
/Danne
I think anyone who is worried about it will probably be able to tell. If you look at the user reviews at Newegg.com you'll see many of them think the VP191B is just fine, but when I got it I immediately was aware of the fairly bad ghosting. A lot of people aren't very perceptive, I'm not sure if that is a blessing or a curse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danne980
Those of you who are considering getting a larger/slower LCD panel might honestly want to consider going into your local Fry's, Best Buy or whatever and seeing how some slower panels operate. At my local Fry's they had a large LCD hooked up to a computer playing UT2004. Trying to play on it literally made me sick to my stomach.
My advice is to try out the panel (or a similar one based on type/response time) and compare it to some others locally before you lay down serious money. If you can compare it to a VX924 or Hyundai L90D+. If you can't tell the difference then I guess it's all good, if you can then trust me you won't want to get the larger/slower panel (it will not even be an option, you will not want to play games on it if you can perceive the ghosting).
Sorry been busy with some school projects and haven't had time to visit here much, I haven't use the monitor as much as I would have though. Instead i'm using my 17" sony, the reason for this is because I want to have a lower res and as of right now its fine(haven't try scaling the 2405). I'm moving upstairs(hopefully soon), so I should have more room to set everything up. Just got the z5500 and don't have any outlets left to plug them in.
The monitor is great, though I haven't game much(or any for that matter) so I don't really know about ghosting. Great monitor, I have some backlight though I don't notice it much, I may replace it since I'm still within the 21days(or at least I hope). If you are the type of person who plays game in the dark without any light on then you'll be glad that you bought it though dell, however, since I use my with the lights on then its fine. I'll see if I have any time later, if I do then I'll install Guilds War and Half Life 2(the only recent pc games that I have). Both games contain a fair amount of dark areas so I'll let you known.
I don't have any other lcd to compare it to at the time being(besides a sony laptop), I plan on getting 2 more 19" for the sides or a 24" Sony CRT.
Brought a camera from bb, but return it because I'm looking for an all in one so don't have pictures yet. Also heard that dell is coming out with some new model soon(don't know when) which is more "future proof" so if you can hold out.
man this guide keeps getting better and better. Props to you guys.
Just wanting to add my opinion about my LG 1980Q monitor. Coming from a 25ms MVA 19' monitor i was a bit sceptical about it's performance regarding blacks and generally its colour reproduction. However reality was better than i thought! :D
Blacks are very deep and colours are very good for a TN panel (i'm not missing my MVA panel ;) ), also 2D quality is top notch! As for ghosting this is out of the question in 99% of the cases. The ice in the cake of course is its design though! :up:
Last but not least its backed up with a 0 pixel on site warranty!
glad I came on here before ordering a lcd.. i want me a 2005FPW!!! Hopefully some coupons come out soon! Nice guide!
What monitor did you get KeithM?Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithM
I'm looking to buy a Veiwsonic VP930B and would like to hear peoples opinions about this monitor especialy gaming and watching movies.....
I bought and tried a viewsonic vp930b. It was my first LCD purchase after having a 17" samsung CRT for a few years now. I thought it did well in games. There was some motion blur when I played a mod for Battlefield 1942 on it, but only when I would quickly turn the soldiers head. It would be gone instantly the second I slowed down or stopped. Also note that I was not able to play in the monitor's native res. so this may have been a factor that may have added to any blur. I really think you're going to have some motion blur during sudden movement on just about any LCD. It's just the state of the technology today. If you are really only going to be 90% of the time playing games I have heard good things about the samsung 940b. The 940b is a TN panel so it's only 6 bit but I think a claimed 8ms response rate is supposed to be faster on a TN panel than on an 8 bit VA panel like the vp930b uses(not sure though). The colors on a 6 bit panel should be more than good enough for gaming. Not sure about it for movies though. Anyway, here's a review a guy wrote up on the samsung 940b over at http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=974748Quote:
Originally Posted by bugeyes
I never tried movies on my vp930b. I did end up sending the monitor back for a refund. It came with one stuck bright white pixel and the 2 bottom corners had some definitely noticeable backlight bleeding. But the stuck pixel was near the bottom left corner so it didn't bother me too much and I could only see the backlight bleeding if the screen was totally dark(which is not often for normal computer use) so I was willing to live with that.
What I was NOT willing to live with was how text looked on the vp930b. I had, had VERY little experience with LCD screens prior to purchasing the vp930b. I thought the text looked very jagged or blocky. I don't know if it is just that monitor in particular or if text doesn't look too smoothly formed on any 19" LCD monitors due to their rather large 0.294 pixel pitch. From some comparison pictures of text I saw on some french website I tend to think it might be a combintation of both. And yes, I had the monitor in native resolution AND I tried cleartype on and off, no appreciable difference.
So I am on the hunt again for a good monitor. And I am starting to consider myself lucky that the vp930b didn't work out. For work purposes, I've been thinking about getting a bigger LCD with a 1600x1200 resolution anyway - more screen real estate. This would mean 20" or 21". I had been looking at the Samsung 214T a lot recently. But then, only yesterday I saw the newest 20.1" viewsonic vp2030b being sold on Dell's website. I'm guessing this monitor and it's larger sister the vp2130b(a 21.3" version) JUST came out because there is NOTHING out there about them yet. These montiors seem to be bigger screen versions of the vp930b. They have the same 1000:1 contrast ratio and they claim the same 8ms grey to grey response time(and these 2 newest ones also claim a black-white-black response time of 16ms - the vp930b only claims a 20ms bwb response time!)
Because the vp2030b is a 20.1" monitor with a 1600x1200 resolution, it has a pixel pitch of around 0.255. I am hopeful that this much finer pixel pitch than is possible on a 19" LCD will produce nicer, smoother looking text. This would give me the best of both worlds, large screen area for being more productive and a good responsive panel for gaming. I'm going to be watching for any additional news of these newest monitors closely.
Ok Im stuck between these monitors. I went ahead and compared them next to eachother have a look!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...SubCategory=20
I like the new 922, and it's in the same price range as the VP930b
I want a monitor that won't ghost or blur on high demand games, or dvds. I watch alot of movies on comp. I don't do professional editing or anything like that but I want a lcd that will hold up for more than 2 years and go with technology. I read that the VP930b has a bad X lighting problem and I read that the VP191b doesn't play video's good at all. Anyone have personal experience? Any suggesitions or comparatives. Thanks alot in advance.
I have the vp191b, for games there is no ghosting but there is a slight blur with very rapid movements in certain lighting. Honestly it doesnt bother.
As for DVD's i dont see anything wrong with it.
Thanks for your comments guys, much apreciated.
As you can guess from my sig I do use photoshop quite regularly so an 8 bit panel is a must for me, It looks as if the VP930 is the best panel for photoshop and gaming so I might give it a try.... I've been using a 15" LCD (6bit) for 2 years now witch also has 0.294 pixel pitch so this shouldn't worry me.
I use my panel for photoshop alot also, while im happy with it its not quite up to par with my calibrated crt as far as contrast goes.
The only time you will really notice it is when there are subtle graduations between light and dark, it might look a little banded.
Is there enough info out there to update the guide with the Viewsonic 930 and Samsung 970P?
Because I have to decide witch one to buy. So does anyone have any opinions about these two?
How about a Gateway FPD2185WH??
Its 8ms 900:1 300cd/m2 and stuff.. but donno if its a 6-bit or 8-bit display :(
If its 8-bit I think i'm gonna get one :drool:
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...0069431&catid=
hmm.. is this new?!?? Seems like an awesome deal for a widescreen!!! I might order it after the 22nd if no new deals come out on the dells. No more 20% off on the 2005FPW :(
ViewSonic VA1912wb Black 19" 8ms LCD Widescreen Monitor 300 cd/m2 500:1 Built in Speakers - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824116373
http://www.viewsonic.com/products/de...ries/va1912wb/
VS needs to ditch the speakers to save a few bucks
also a 20.1 :slobber: VA2012wb. Not even out yet.. wonder what the price will be.. can't be that much more! http://www.viewsonic.com/products/de...ries/va2012wb/
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmac11
hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by bmac11
didnt see that coming
Looks like a new Viewsonic LCD, and by the looks of the specs, this may be a VA panel.
My guess it that it's using the VP191b's P-MVA tech, but with a different aspect ratio. I hope it's the same with the VA2012wb.
If this is true, I would highly recommend the VA1912wb for gamers looking for a 19" display, since the wide aspect ratio gives 20% more viewable advantage ;)
I would wait for reviews before buying :fact:
Yea but waiting is never good on newegg... new stuff always goes oos and if they sell x per day, price automatically goes up. Still, I'm going to wait for the VA2012wb or at least its price since I want at least a 20".Quote:
Originally Posted by Turok
Can you find a recommended price for the VA2012wb?? At least we could compare it to market price. It has better a contrast Ratio of 600:1 vs 500:1 too.
bmac - I think that viewsonic (the VA2012) uses the same panel the gateway I linked does?!?!
unfortunately, still no info on any pages as to if they are 16.2 million colors or 16.7 million :rolleyes: :stick: :slap:
hmm.. no clue :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
I think I might just give it a try. Could always rma it if it ghosts.. newegg loves me! The VA2012wb has to be at least $50 more and its only one inch wider. The 19" seems like a great bargin and regardless I'm sure it will be a huge step up from my 19" dell crt.. manufacture date 1998.. lol.
17.1" horizontal x 10.7" vertical; 20.1" diagonal
16.1" horizontal x 10.0" vertical; 19.0" diagonal
It'll be here Wednesday!
anyone have experences with the view sonic VX924 which i notice is in the guide but the guide shows 4 ms but the website shows 3ms?????? http://www.viewsonic.com/products/de...x924/index.htm
also here is a link to buy it its only 350 dollars
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...ode=12-1014611
so can anybody comment on this monitor please?
Simply put, the Viewsonic VX924 is one of the best pure gaming LCDs on the market. It has great graphics quality and an excellent black level... amongst the best in TN panels.
The guide shows that the VX924 is rated at 4ms. However, after we posted our guide, Viewsonic changed the way they measured response time and now have it advertised at 3ms. The truth is, the 4ms and 3ms models are the exact same monitor, they just used two different ways to measure the monitor's responsiveness.
The only two monitors faster than this one for gaming is the Samsung 930BF and the 960BF, both rated at 4ms (and they are just barely more responsive than the VX924). However, I tested the 960BF out this weekend, and it actually suffers from a phenomenon that is "opposite" to afterglow... you actually get blurring in the same direction of movement due to increased voltage used to up the monitor's response time. I guess you could call it "preglow." In my reading, it appears that the 930BF suffers from the same phenomenon. For some reason, this does not appear to be a problem with the VX924 even though it uses a form of Overdrive technology similar to the Samsung LCDs. And in terms of colour quality, the VX924 is simply better than both Samsung models.
So, if you're considering the VX924 for gaming, I don't think you can go wrong. After all my testing of monitors, I just reordered one from Costco for my own use.
Gateway FPD2185W has landed.
1680x1050 of 8-bit 8ms kickass LCD.
ps - it works best with clear type disabled ;)
EDIT
Its a P-MVA panel btw. Doesnt seem to ghost, but I was a bit busy gaming too.. ;)
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Trying to figure out how to run 1440x900.. and where to get drivers for this thing since they dont seem to be on the EZTune cd... or the gateway website :slap:
sounds pretty nice, any screen shots for us to drool over? :)
flatout isnt the best for screenshots and my 9700pro isnt the greatest, but here's one.. a compressed jpg... :stick:
yes, I did make the jump ;)
edit
Addeed GTA:SA pic.. wasnt so fortunate in this one, fell off the edge while trying to get a panoramic view off the top of the big mountain :slap: :D
Love the tow-truck.
EDIT
added FarCry and UT2K4 1680x1050 pics as well.
Nice monitor STEvil! Looks great! Those are a pretty good deal at the price!
My VA1912wb will be here any hour! Can't wait I'm not even going to class :D I've never once had a decent monitor.
Anyone have any feedback on LCD TVs used for everything??? Gaming, TV, high def xbox360 :slobber: I'm looking at just getting a ViewSonic N2750w Black 27" 8ms LCD TV Monitor. Damn good bargin if plays games well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16889107001
i saw an xbox 360 in a dell fpw 2405 and it looked :slobber: amazing really
link linkQuote:
Originally Posted by leviathan18
Is the technology behind different lcds the same? pc vs tv. I just assume that ones that have inputs for tvs are different vs ones only used for pc. Is it just that they have the extra inputs for everything else? Anyone care to fill me in?
i've yet to see an LCD TV with enough quality i'd consider buying it.... that and they are usually more expensive than a good LCD monitor.
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added more pics to previous post: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...92#post1149692
ViewSonic VP191b
View Sonic VP930b
ViewSonic VX924
I can't decide betweent these. I want a monitor that won't ghost or blur on high demand games, or dvds. I watch alot of movies on comp. I don't do professional editing or anything like that but I want a lcd that will hold up for more than 2 years and go with technology. I read that the VP930b has a bad X lighting problem and I read that the VP191b doesn't play video's good at all. Anyone have personal experience? Any suggesitions or comparatives. Thanks alot in advance.
Got the lcd running now.. its pretty sweet! Best thing I've bought in awhile. 16:10 is simply amazing!! No time for games tonight :(
I only have one concern.. It seems like it is much brighter in the bottom part of the screen than the top. Is this a common problem of LCDs? I don't know if its just the angle I have it at or not, but it looks better if I have the top tilted more forward to me.. but then it not straight and you can tell when using it that its angled funny.
Maybe its just that I've never spent much time behind a LCD besides on friend's laptops.
:: is this all I need to test for dead pixels?
http://www.laptopshowcase.co.uk/downloads.php?id=1
wow thanks for the info!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Salahuddin
how much did you get that monitor from costco???
cheapest ive found it is 350 from zzf
It must of just been the angle I was using it.. and I adjusted the settings on monitor to a relatively decent setting. Then used the setting from my video card to fine-tune. Adding just the slightest amount of Digital Vibrance from the Nvidia settings really made it stand out. This thing is sick!!! Now for some gaming :)
If anyone is looking for one, better jump on it soon.. I've been watching newegg's price on it and it has been everywhere. Now at 309.99 + 14.99 shipped. ::edit: back down to 299.99. 5th price change in 2 days.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmac11
ygpm with the link forgot to tell ya :toast:
beta67 - read the first post in this thread.
Well, of these three monitors, I have only personally used the VX924 (although I've also had experience with the VP171B). From what I understand, you will definitely get more blurring on the VP191B and VP930B than on the VX924 as the latter is a TN panel with Overdrive technology. However, outside of gaming, the VP191B and the VP930B should be much better monitors in terms of colour reproduction and image quality. I've never heard that the video was bad on the VP191B... but, I would think video would be worse on the VX924. That being said, if you're the only one watching movies on your LCD, the VX924 should be adequate... the MVA panels in the VP191B and VP930B should shine in terms of viewing angles and picture quality, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by beta67
As for direct comparisons between the VP191B and VP930B, I couldn't comment.
No problem brandinb ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
Keep in mind that I'm in Canada and prices here for all computer parts, including LCD monitors, are significantly more expensive than in the US. I purchased mine from Costco.ca for $499.99 CAN. The best thing about ordering from Costco is the implied "lifetime warranty." I once bought a CRT monitor from Costco and used it for SEVEN YEARS... I brought it back to see if they would give me anything for it and they gave me a FULL REFUND without asking me a question. I'd pay an extra few bucks any day to have that type of support.