DFI nF4 LP 7/4 new beta BIOS

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Originally Posted by brandinb

ok this bios rocks my gskill tccd went from 300-303ish benchable at 2.5-3-3-6 to 310 rock stable and 315 benchable!! thats right ddr630 2.5-3-3-6 @ 2.8 volts all tight timings

now the bad side is while testing this out and achieving this wicked mem clock i got blue screen?? was like wtf now one mem module is broken and will get errors at any speed any setting but the other module is perfect and will still do ddr630 2.5-3-3-6 so im not sure if it was the bios or just my mems time to die but ... its dead lol

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Well that just shows you the result of pushing the limits are not always without casualty

704-2 Bios Flash Failed (from Merlin's 510-2Mix to Oskar's 704-2)

This is the first time my system failed on a bios flash. The flash went smoothly without any problem. After I pressed F1, it beeped with no boot. I used "insert-reset" trick and broght the system back. We have two damage reports with this bios so far (damaged CPU and memory chip).

clear CMOS, My system didn;t boot either until I /cc'ed

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Originally Posted by eva2000

Just tried 704-3 and seems my vdimm is overvolted

bios set 2.5v = 2.63v and 2.6v = 2.72v ??

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So what's wrong with that? I seee it as, EXTRA volts is a bonus, if real.... :D LOL

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Originally Posted by suio

704-2 Bios Flash Failed (from Merlin's 510-2Mix to Oskar's 704-2)

This is the first time my system failed on a bios flash. The flash went smoothly without any problem. After I pressed F1, it beeped with no boot. I used "insert-reset" trick and broght the system back. We have two damage reports with this bios so far (damaged CPU and memory chip).

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A friend of mine has the same problem. He has flashed from 623-3 (without error messages).

He can't boot...

What's "insert-reset" trick?

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Originally Posted by XiN

A friend of mine has the same problem. He has flashed from 623-3 (without error messages).

He can't boot...

What's "insert-reset" trick?

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Hold the Insert Key and then hit the reset button (next to the pwer button). I didn't have to clear the CMOS and it booted right up. The system is ultra stable after the incident with 704-2 bios.

Thx a lot. I'll say it to my friend ;)

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Originally Posted by suio

Hold the Insert Key and then hit the reset button (next to the pwer button). I didn't have to clear the CMOS and it booted right up. The system is ultra stable after the incident with 704-2 bios.

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Pardon my ignorance but what and where is the insert key?

Thanks!

:D:D:D

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Originally Posted by MUCHO

Pardon my ignorance but what and where is the insert key?

Thanks!

:D:D:D

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The key on your keyboard named "INS"? ;)

Should have read this before sending back my old Ultra-D.

Had a non-posting board after reflashing from 623-3 to 510-1 (lost my onboard sound with 623-3).

But I´ll keep that in mind for the next time... ;)

Greetz, Flox

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Originally Posted by suio

704-2 Bios Flash Failed (from Merlin's 510-2Mix to Oskar's 704-2)

This is the first time my system failed on a bios flash. The flash went smoothly without any problem. After I pressed F1, it beeped with no boot. I used "insert-reset" trick and broght the system back. We have two damage reports with this bios so far (damaged CPU and memory chip).

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you didn't flash properly. i have flashed up/down 7-10 times already within the past 2wks, from 704 to 510 to higher to 702 to modded/unmodded, etc, and haven't cleared CMOS either after bios flashes (using the 3 flash routine to forego the cmos clear) and have always POSTED.

use the bootable ISO for flashing or manually: awdflash /py /sn /cd /cp /cc /LD /R /f . always load optimised b4 and after a flash.

sorry for your loss.

pershoot:
Wanted to thank you for maintaining NF4 bios CDRom. It is very useful. Good job! :toast:

Before anything else, if your board won't post after a upgrade to 7xx bios, clear the cmos and then boot again. It should be ok after that. Some bios versions require that and some do not. Just try the clear cmos before asking for help.

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Originally Posted by kiwi

pershoot:
Wanted to thank you for maintaining NF4 bios CDRom. It is very useful. Good job! :toast:

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im glad the iso is workin out for ya:)

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Originally Posted by pershoot

you didn't flash properly. i have flashed up/down 7-10 times already within the past 2wks, from 704 to 510 to higher to 702 to modded/unmodded, etc, and haven't cleared CMOS either after bios flashes (using the 3 flash routine to forego the cmos clear) and have always POSTED.

use the bootable ISO for flashing or manually: awdflash /py /sn /cd /cp /cc /LD /R /f . always load optimised b4 and after a flash.

sorry for your loss.

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Pershoot,

I have flashed this baby back and forth 50 times for the past 3 weeks. I never had any problem prior to this incident. I didn't lose anything. Just a simple "insert+reset" execution. I have heard your speech before and I did exactly what you described. There is always a risk in doing this and I will get a bios savior ASAP.

Thanks

the 704-1 are bad for me, i will try the 704-2 that people say its better.

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Originally Posted by suio

Pershoot,

I have flashed this baby back and forth 50 times for the past 3 weeks. I never had any problem prior to this incident. I didn't lose anything. Just a simple "insert+reset" execution. I have heard your speech before and I did exactly what you described. There is always a risk in doing this and I will get a bios savior ASAP.

Thanks

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good stuff, you didnt lose any hardware.

you stated you did the 'press f1 to reboot'. i bet you did not give all the flags and just did a /f. maybe a /sn. that would not be the proper way to flash (if you did it like that) so you did not do the method i described (still speculating here). you run in to trouble not giving all the necessary flags for a full clear. not all the time, but the trouble will come eventually.

/py /sn /cd /cp /cc /LD at the very least. /f is reccomended in addition. /R is nice & convenient to do as well.

this is why i created the ISO specifically for this. to thwart off bad flashes from the community, as it was getting abundant. i dont get why more people just dont use it. i cant make it anymore simple nor safe to flash without actually flashing for someone, hehe.

and ill probly keep giving the speech, if it keeps more people from bad flashes.

Pershoot,

You're right. I used the same procedure but different parameters. I will use your parameters from now on. Thanks Bro.

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Originally Posted by stealth17

yeh its just the crappy mem controllers and i dont think the vtt issue on the dfi nf4 is helping with consistancy either.

what i hate the most is i can goto memtest #5 and get say 11 errors, ill restart with same settings and get 24 errors. its never consistant so its hard to tell if changing a setting is helping or hurting :(

xs64, try running your bh-5 at these settings

250mhz 2-2-5-2-7-15-0-2-2-1-3120-1

you will still need the voltage but at only 250mhz you will get pretty good performance. try that and your key might be tight but a bit slower. you can also try to get cas 1.5 which at lower speeds usually help me, and try for tras 4 or 0. LMK! :toast:

oh and about the bios, 704-2 is much more smooth than 702-2! no more hangs or anything! now time to do stability testing considering this like bh-5 bank interleave on and 702 didnt :p:

EDIT: 702 messed up my cpu temp sensor too...704 fixes :banana:

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Finally , i can bench my BH5 at 281 3.7v :banana: , but not stable at all
Prime seems not like my CPU , so i'm running Folding at 275x9 3.6v and it stable rock :) :woot:

so thank you about your help

For those who has TCCD based memory chips and uses -2 bios, what DRAM slots do you use? I use orange slots. My system can't even boot into Windows with yellow slots.

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Originally Posted by suio

For those who has TCCD based memory chips and uses -2 bios, what DRAM slots do you use? I use orange slots. My system can't even boot into Windows with yellow slots.

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every system is different. please dont ask these questions. ITS WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!!

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Originally Posted by xs64

Finally , i can bench my BH5 at 281 3.7v :banana: , but not stable at all
Prime seems not like my CPU , so i'm running Folding at 275x9 3.6v and it stable rock :) :woot:

so thank you about your help

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folding wount tell you if your stable.

try to pass OCCT

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Originally Posted by stealth17

folding wount tell you if your stable.

try to pass OCCT

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Yep . i know folding is not good as OCCT or prime , but just because my Winnie is suck and it wont stable over 2.3Ghz :mad: , i have no choice man :(

So since i buy a new CPU ( maybe X2 :D ) and i dont play games or do something stress much , i just keep folding and saving money for new chip :D

edit : at lease with only this 704-2 bios , i can bench my BH5 @ 281Mhz :hehe:

why are you people folding with instable CPUs ? Are you aware that you're submitting wrong results ? Folding is a distributed computing app, right ?
Or are you just folding for testing isntability ? Then rather use OCCT.

I always wonder what results people submit folding/seti etc. when their PCs are actually not even stable....i am just waiting for them to send a mission to a star (SETI) because they think there are alien signals coming from - but in reality it was just nonsese created by some overclocker's PCs.... J/K :)

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Originally Posted by flexy

why are you people folding with instable CPUs ? Are you aware that you're submitting wrong results ? Folding is a distributed computing app, right ?
Or are you just folding for testing isntability ? Then rather use OCCT.

I always wonder what results people submit folding/seti etc. when their PCs are actually not even stable....i am just waiting for them to send a mission to a star (SETI) because they think there are alien signals coming from - but in reality it was just nonsese created by some overclocker's PCs.... J/K :)

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If you know a little about folding , there is some Core is call Tinker and Gromacs Core

Tinker cores are fine for my system , it strees my system not too much and i can complete a good result . But Gromacs cores are hard to fold .
Just because of that , i always fold Tinkers :D

if they are bad work units then you dont get points when you submit them...thats all

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Originally Posted by stealth17

every system is different. please dont ask these questions. ITS WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!!

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Stealth17, you are such an !@$$!!! You don't need to tell me whay to post in a public discussion forum. I don't think I violated any forum rule.

I am just asking a simple question. OCZ recommends to use -2 bios and yellow slots. I couldn't boot my system up with my Plat Rev2 in yellow slots.

Agreed re Stealth17 :slap:

I have never come across/cannot remember any recommendation regarding TCCD in the yellow slots suio, I have only ever used the orange but only had this board/cpu for ~ a week but using 704-3 with my 3200EL Plat Rev 2 TCCD is going well

Please keep ppl updated re the yellow slots and keep asking questions, then we ALL learn :)

WOW! Using 704-2 right now, and it is much more stable than 510-3. I've been dual Priming my 4400+ @ 2.7GHz for the last 13 hours with LargeFFTs, something it hasn't done up to this point (it could dual Prime with SmallFFTs only with 510-3).

Patriot TCCD @ 2.5-4-3-7-10-16 (the same settings listed by XiN).

Awesome and congrats p0tempkin :toast:

wanna swap CPU's hehe :D

PS: post a screeshot :)

suio not trying to be an a$s im just sick an tired of people asking questions like that. i hear so much about which bios number should i use and which bios should i use. its what works for you and when i typed that last time, it was aimed at everyone, not just you.

dont take it personally, please :toast:

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Originally Posted by alpha0ne

I have never come across/cannot remember any recommendation regarding TCCD in the yellow slots.

Please keep ppl updated re the yellow slots and keep asking questions, then we ALL learn :)

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By Andy of OCZ Technologies. They test memory chips for living. There must be enough cases to support his recommendation. I have found other posts at ocz support forum regarding using TCCD in yellow slots and they tend to get better results.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...6&postcount=86

Thanks for that :toast: , I rarely ever read the DFI Strret Forumns, maybe I should find time to :)

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Originally Posted by stealth17

what is the cpu vcore or the vdimm?

the vdimm i dont think i have seen a board yet that doesnt overvolt the vdimm by atleast .1v

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Yes, vdimm usually overvolts some..

What I was saying is if the vcore is set to 1.325+126%= 1.6695vcore ( just an example ).. in bios will read 1.64v, but when actually checked with a dmm it is very close to 1.67vcore..

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Originally Posted by suio

By Andy of OCZ Technologies. They test memory chips for living. There must be enough cases to support his recommendation. I have found other posts at ocz support forum regarding using TCCD in yellow slots and they tend to get better results.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/show...6&postcount=86

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yeh i see your point but i practically test memory for a living with having 5gb here now and had much more in the past. if you goto mushkins website, they recommend the yellow slots too. Tom from mushkin posted a few times to use yellow as they are supposed to be faster. i have tested the f*ck outta it and with EVERY set of ram i have EVER tested, my board/cpus like orange better no mater what. its what works for you man. trust me PLEASE! if everyone could buy some xp4000 ram and punch in the settings and stuff that one person posted that got 275mhz on, and everyone could do the exact same stuff and get 275mhz, what would the fun and market of overclocking be? :slap:

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Originally Posted by THunDA

Yes, vdimm usually overvolts some..

What I was saying is if the vcore is set to 1.325+126%= 1.6695vcore ( just an example ).. in bios will read 1.64v, but when actually checked with a dmm it is very close to 1.67vcore..

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yeh i never go by the software readings. they are plain crap. ive noticed different bioses give me a different voltage at a given setting. for vdd, in earlier bioses if i set it to 1.5v the i got 1.51v. but in the 7xx series bioses, at 1.5v bios it gives me 1.54v actual. go by the DMM :nono:

Official Warning:

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16500

Due to the a mistake made in 7/04 beta bios , do not use

'Above VID * 123%'
'Above VID * 126%'
'Above VID * 133%'
'Above VID * 136%'

option under "CPU VID Special Control"

The bios may have chance to set wrong vcore voltage under certain circumstances ...

If the cpu can not handle the wrong core voltage , it may be damaged ..

This problem has only been found in 7/04 bios and 'Above VID * 123%' , 'Above VID * 126%' , 'Above VID * 133%' , 'Above VID * 136%' are used ... If you did not use the 4 settings , it will be ok you if still want to use 7/04 bios ...

Please help me to remove this bios around the internet ...

I apologize for the this mistak

:confused: So what about BIGTOE's MOD BIOS based on the 704 - same issue???

:toast:

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Originally Posted by suio

Official Warning:

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16500

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I have stated in another thread here at XS "Its NOT ;kin good enougth" :mad:

It should have been posted here at the same time !!, I am NOT happy :rolleyes:

Wow.. Ive been using 704-2 for a while with 1.325+126% with no problems.. But im gona flash back to 510-2 to be safe.. Thanks for the heads up people..

I tried this bios for 10 mints and reflashed to 618-2. With this version I had a cold boot and 3 of my 4 Value VX sticks didn't post either alone or in dual channel. A total buguz for me.

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Originally Posted by HARDCORECLOCKER

:confused: So what about BIGTOE's MOD BIOS based on the 704 - same issue???

:toast:

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I have removed the options from 123% and up, so in theory it should be safe.

regarding the bios being poor, its actually the best bios i have tested in -2 form and i have tested a few ;)

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

I have removed the options from 123% and up, so in theory it should be safe.

regarding the bios being poor, its actually the best bios i have tested in -2 form and i have tested a few ;)

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:D Hehe - nice work. But though I don't need 123+ % I keep the 510-2FIX.

Working best for me and AFAIK You had also Your hands on in........ ;)

:toast:

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Originally Posted by bigtoe

I have removed the options from 123% and up, so in theory it should be safe.

regarding the bios being poor, its actually the best bios i have tested in -2 form and i have tested a few ;)

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@Bigtoe, where can I find a link to this moded 704-2 ??

BTW, I've not had any problems with 704-2 using 1.4 x 1.23% since posted. But I'm getting X2 today and don't want to take any chances ! lol

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Originally Posted by Major

@Bigtoe, where can I find a link to this moded 704-2 ??

BTW, I've not had any problems with 704-2 using 1.4 x 1.23% since posted. But I'm getting X2 today and don't want to take any chances ! lol

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Here.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=67910

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Originally Posted by stealth17

i hear so much about which bios number should i use and which bios should i use. its what works for you

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Ive never understood this. Shouldnt computer hardware (eg mainboard) be very deterministic? Same with TCCD and UTT memory? I know some parts have a higher overclock ability than others. But at speed/timings 'xyz' on an Ultra D with 2x512mb VX memory; shouldnt a given bios perform the same on any rig? Therefore shouldnt we be able to say that Bios A is better than Bios B given the specific hardware and settings?

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Originally Posted by dexx

Ive never understood this. Shouldnt computer hardware (eg mainboard) be very deterministic? Same with TCCD and UTT memory? I know some parts have a higher overclock ability than others. But at speed/timings 'xyz' on an Ultra D with 2x512mb VX memory; shouldnt a given bios perform the same on any rig? Therefore shouldnt we be able to say that Bios A is better than Bios B given the specific hardware and settings?

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you would think, but isn't so. First different manufactuers bin memory chips differently for various speed grades, so you can't just say I've got UTT or TCCD because even from the same company different products respond differntly to settings. Example being G.Skill LE's and LA's both are TCCD but from my experience work best with different drive strengths, and even different Tref. Not to mention the variations in different memory chip prodution weeks. Then you have all the differences in the memory controllers among the different A64's, even within the same core revsions there are variations.

Has any bios subsequent to 704 come out recently? I'm loving 704-3. It allows these 2x1GB Ballistix to run at 280 Mhz 3-3-3-8-1T at 2.67V and 290 Mhz ast 2.77V without having to wade through a myriad of bios memory timings experimentation.

Hoot

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Originally Posted by dexx

Ive never understood this. Shouldnt computer hardware (eg mainboard) be very deterministic? Same with TCCD and UTT memory? I know some parts have a higher overclock ability than others. But at speed/timings 'xyz' on an Ultra D with 2x512mb VX memory; shouldnt a given bios perform the same on any rig? Therefore shouldnt we be able to say that Bios A is better than Bios B given the specific hardware and settings?

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everything comes and goes. why cant we all buy a 3700+ San Diego and hit 3ghz 1.5v? :stick:

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Originally Posted by eva2000

with 702-2 bh-5 didnt like interleave enabled, probably why you lost oc Minnyboy

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hmm sure you cleared cmos completely for that flash? Or is it common knowledge? my bh-5 is running interleaved on 702-2 @ 251 all timings at bh5 tightest. CPU @ 3GHz.. my favourite bios atm... and prime stable :)

Or it could just be some other specific about my rig that likes it.