great job OPP, can't wait to see the final runs !
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great job OPP, can't wait to see the final runs !
Once again the master goes to work.
"since 2k1 is about to be phased out"
there was a thread on that but a mod replied and said "we have no plans to discountinue 2001" then he locked it. anyway Opp, hows sli going for the 2001 side? ;)
What score could you get with SLI in 2K1, maybe 43k, 44k, 45k? Make the trifecta of #1 for each benchmarks.
SLI doesnt work in 01
Sli is working in 2001, check out here
http://www.beyond3d.com/reviews/nvid...ndex.php?p=app
and also the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 series GPU section in the ORB for dragothic and nature.
It seems that nvidia have chosen alternative frame rensdering for 2001 but as you can stop 3dmark2001 between tests I wonder if it possible ( and quicker ) to maybe run part in SFR and part in AFR ? I don't have SLi so I do not know, might be an interesting tweak though.
Regards
Andy
That's interesting, I posted about this hereQuote:
Originally Posted by sandybeach
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=55642
however I tended to think the review was messed up, however this review seems to back it up.This being the case then I would imagine the more overclockable Iwill board is the one to go for ? http://www.iwill.net/product_2.asp?p_id=91&sp=Y
For 2005 this does look like the thing to have at present.
Regards
Andy
SLI works in 3d2k1 but only minute boost in first 3 tests, it nature that gets the big SLI boostQuote:
Originally Posted by haPpydUde
3500+ CAA2C 0505 APMW
DFI NF4 SLI-D 310 bios
2x 256MB KHX3200K2/512 BH-5
120GB WD 1200JB
Pioneer A05
580W Topower 35A/12v adjustable rail
2x eVGA 6800 Ultra PCI-E SLI stock heatsink @ 454/1215
10x275HTT = 2750mhz
1:1 ram @275mhz 2-2-2-6 1T
3dmark2001 = 34,313
http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SL...5_34313_tn.jpg
Does running SLI lower the scores in the first three tests compared to a single X800? If not then someone needs to try an FX-55 run on SLI.
Eva, drag low gets a good boost as well does it not ?
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8474171
gives 750fps at 430/1260 with 75.90 drivers ?????? It cannot all be cpu power here ...
Regards
Andy
yeah all tests get a boost but never paid attention as to how much.. but nature definitely gets a BIG boost
It does tend to put everything else in the shade :)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
For SLi to be a serious contender for 2001 it needs to match more to ATI in dragothic, 700-750fps is certainly getting there, I think it might just be possible to do it ?????
Have you tried changing between SFR and AFR between tests ? Or is AFR best for all ?
Regards
Andy
You know lookin at that I would say SLI has a very good chance at '01 in the right hands. That run has alot of CPU speed but either he did not tweak it out, or SLI might be stealing CPU power but I doubt it. Those car runs are very low for that system. My S754 cars are alot faster than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
Yea that would be faster .I tried to turn of sli between 2 test , but i haven't found a way. I think it's ness to restart ( pulling out the sli bridge also doesn't work)...Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
SLI does take some CPU power and nVidia is not quite as good as ATI for mark01 car/lobby. Those car/lobby scores can be matched at around 2.8GHz w/ ATI card.Quote:
That run has alot of CPU speed but either he did not tweak it out, or SLI might be stealing CPU power but I doubt it. Those car runs are very low for that system. My S754 cars are alot faster than that.
how you change SFR/AFR ? nhancer tool has 3dmark2001 profile shaded out uneditable in latest forceware drivers
Sweet you learn something knew everyday :D Drag and nature seem to be doing well with sli
Cascade's have pretty much owned the top of the records before, i predict they will own the top of the records to come. No refilling cascades. So maybe that's a small advantage.
40k and 'only those clocks' ?? You can do 42k w/ one ATI card and lower CPU speed. SLI just seems to use a bit too much CPU power in 2001. also if I remember correctly running one 6800U is faster than running SLI in 3DMark03 GT1 (the most CPU limited test in Mark03).Quote:
i'm sure it's only the cpu that is holding back the sli power in al test exept nature because nature is only gpu speed dependend...maybe FX55 @ 4000mhz can do something nice
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8474171
40K with SLI and only those clocks...gues i was right
Hes using winblows xp, need I say anymore? :stick:
Sli doesn't work on win2k ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
do you know where to find those ASUS bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
dident find anything here...http://www.mvktech.net/
tnx in advance.
if nvidia is so dumb to omit drivers to run sli in win2k, they have lost alot of customers, I dont believe this is true
Well, I tried a few times with fresh win2k installations and I can't make it work, each time I enable SLI and reboot a message appears on the nvidia icon taskbar saying something like "SLI has been disabled, one of your displays will go blank and bla, bla, bla...", no way.
And, if after that, I try to open display properties, the mouse suddenly goes slow as hell, all the system runs slooooooooow and after some minutes where you can't do nothing, freeze.
just wait until the new WHQL 71.84 are approved. those give huge boost in SLI.
Beleive it...cause it's certainly true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
Leaving support off a 5 year old OS isn't very surprising at all.
hehehe... 99.998% of modern multi-media/gamer users are using WinXP, the target audience is the guy with full eye-candy, high-rez wallpaper/SS, custom skins and yes, WinXP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geforce4ti4200
A relatively small group of power users use Win2K, but they (we) are a tiny segment :D
I only use Win2K when benching, I LIKE WinXP for 24/7 usage.... well mostly ;)
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The SLI isn't optimal in 01, but wouldn't it be posible to take the WR or with higer overclocks on the cards? And WR is nice even if the score isn't optimal and many test loses to a ATI card.Quote:
Originally Posted by macci
Same with GE 6800LE, not many benches it in 01 because it won't get a optimal scores vs a similar ATI card. Then I bench it and tooks the WR and it fels much better than geting 2k more with a x800pro for a exampel.
OPP: are you gonna do some 3dmark01 benching with your SLI rig?
Any more news, cant see anything changing up on the orb atm..........
But..........Quote:
Originally Posted by µnrealneo²
That would effectively make ATi null-and-void for the moment in 3D Mark, regardless of what is to come..........
It....... it can't be!!!!!
I feel violated........
;D
well lets hope ati's verson of amr, sli, whatever supports win2k. I dont care if we are in the minority, we are the few, the fast, the proud ;) SLI isnt going to touch even a single ati card in 2001 for several reasons. No one has gotten even 41k with sli and the top SLI score is 3k below opp's score and opp is ahead of sli in 6 of 7 tests.
Well yeah, but we haven't seen a 2k1 supercooled-SLI score yet... I think it's doable.
with no win2k support for sli and with the excessive cpu load, sli isnt gonna touch a single r520 except in nature, sorry
What does R520 have to do with it? It's not going to be available for a few months.
Back to this nightmare:D
I tested my cards seperatly, they seem to do about the same.
I think that everyone that talked about the MCW50-Tecs I used is right about the 80W pelt not being enough.
From what I could see, I Idled at about 13C and under load they shot up to 43C, they probably could have gotten even hotter if the bench was longer.
I think thats way to much varience in temps to make the card stable.
I have some MCW50 straight waterblocks I'm gunna try today and see how it does.
I have no clue at this point when my -80C system will be up and running:D
OPP
^^^^
Good luck m8
Been waiting to see what you're gunna turn out with everything hopped up. :)
Opp> That tec setup is it with or without vmods ??
you should run a 2 loop water chiller. even ice water with those two mcw50 blocks will remove more heat faster than those 2 80w tec's :)
Hey OPP
I just start to imagine what you will be facing when you'll have to OC like 4 cards or what at the same time with ATI's x cards rendering tech :D Cascades everywhere.
Two serious OCers won't be allowed anymore to live in the same area because of the power suckin'.
Opp, SLI is a tricky beast. I used it for about two weeks. I got some killer scores, but didnt like the feeling it left in my stomach. Back to single card again, and waiting for the 520. Good luck man.
The straight water blocks should be OK, 43C is not that hot for 6800 but you might be right about the large variation causing problems.
Any volt mods yet Opp ?
On a slightly different topic your Venice review does not sound too good for FX-57 San Diego core if that 90nm process does not like cascade temps like Venice doesn't ?!
Regards
Andy
Last night PCIce told me he tested a 3800 Venice, it worked good on -90C, so things may be looking up for the FX-57.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
As far as this nightmare, I threw my Radiator in a Ice Chest:D It kept the water in the loop at about 13C measured at the output of the GPU blocks. I was then able to use 1.8V (the mod) on the core. I still havn't done the mem mod, wish I had.
OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28049&stc=1
Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
LOL...I can't beleive it, my new rad just arrived so I could do the same thing (plunk it in ice):D I couldn't get my old chiller up and running (two of my TECs are dead), so I was going to do the "ice water submerge" routine.
How are those GPU temps now?
you better remove the rad and put the tubes directly in the ice.
;)
Temps stay at about 30C, but the bottom line is I got 30MHz better core clocks from the Rad on the Rocks:DQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
OPP
I'm trying not to resort to that:D I'm hopeing my Cascade will be ready soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
OPP
Could that even help very much, plus if he did do that he would have to filter the water so that bits of ice didn't go flowing through the loop. He could make it work but it just doesnt seem to be the wisest idea. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
Mmmm...those are good results from a simple submerge routine!! I'm gonna get busy on mine tonight :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
BTW, misteroadster, although you can definitely drop temps further with direct chilled coolant, its just a lot easier to dunk the rad for a quick result.
It would work pretty good actually, problem is the water would heat up very fast so it be a quick bench session.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
Useing the Rad on the rocks method you have a good 4 hours at least:D
OPP
I figuer I got about 15-20C better cooling temps. Plus, I was then able to use the volt mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
OPP
The only worry I would have is that a bit of ice would get sucked up the line and damage the impellar of your pump. If one does run straight ice water should they put a filter on the suction line so this wouldn't happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Inside the loop are you running straight water, water with a few drops of bleach (iirc its to kill bacteria) or do u mix water with a coolant?
Lastly is PCIce partly sponsored by any manufactures? I thought I read in the ATi lan party/oc festival he picked up some sponsorship with Saphire and AMD.
I have a little anti fungi stuff in my loop water, thats it, no need for coolant in a 13c waterloop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
OPP
Wish I still had my old water chiller, would have fun for this SLI stuff.
OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28054&stc=1
Use to cool my GPU with a 220 pelt and -20C water cooling the pelt, worked good.
Good old days:D
OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28055&stc=1
OPP thanks for the encourgement :toast: After playing around for two weekends getting my chiller working, I just dunked my rad in ice tonight and netted some new scores! New bests for me anyway LINK
Wish I would have done this weeks ago instead of playing with those chiller :slap: pelts.
that's a nice score mdzcpa :toast: , doubly nice for a machine that is setup like yours still in the case etc. Good luck with the 66.93 runs.
Opps moving up as well on the first page with his bucket of ice I see.
Regards
Andy
that's an OLD picture of the old-skool way OPP used to cool a GPU, that's a KX7-333R if I'm not mistaken...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven
C
Looks like Abit IT7 to me...
Yep, it's IT7 ;)
Are you waiting for your new dual evap cascade from PC Ice before you do more testing?
I did one last run before I get my Cascade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt Twitchy
I tryed some Dry Ice cooled liquid:D I got the liquid temps down into the -20s but the card temps were bad for some reason. I know I had bad contact but even with the contact I had I figuerd it would have been colder then it was.
I don't think the Swifty blocks are very good for chilled liquid.
Anyway, I moved up the Hall of fame ladder a few rungs and got my card running about 12-15 Mhz faster.
OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28495&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28496&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28497&stc=1
Cool man! Chillers are indeed great, but I feel that my cascade will be better:).
DI some water is something I already did too... But the water was more around -45C.... It was just in a floating copper bucket though...
I started off useing my dry Ice container only as the chiller but it didn't work out:DQuote:
Originally Posted by skate2snow
I also started off with Y conecters on my water loop, that didn't work out either, slow flow, pump couldn't handle.
O'well :D
OPP
rad on ice :cool:
wouldn't that eventually cause the rad to rust on the outside ?
The Swifty Rad I used in the Ice water is painted or something, this would help protect it. Cleaned it up nicely I might add:DQuote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
OPP
Well when I used the radiator in the Ice water I just used Water and Ice to cool the Rad. The loop had water and swiftech antifungi stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven
For this last run I didn't use water, I used Dry Ice, alcohol, and anti-freeze combo. More alcohol then anti freeze.
OPP
Dry Ice costs $1.00 a pound.
Denatured Alcohol me $10 for a gallon.
I had some anti freeze so what ever that costs.
Not worth it ;)
OPP
Nice score OPP, you took me from the top after 3 weeks!!!
Any tips :D !!!!
SLI for me... finally!! w00t..
fedex just showed up today with some goodies!!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28499&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28500&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28501&stc=1
these 6800's weigh almost double what my PNY 6800GT AGP weighs... those copper sinks are soooo nice... whew...
Quote:
Originally Posted by revenant
Nice cards, those are the cards I will be trying next. Maybe this weekend.
OPP
Very nice cards :D
Where you get them from ?
"Denatured Alcohol" thats stuff sticks. Talk about breathing in cancer, lol.
OPP, why ya going with the GT's from the ultras?? just for a try at better gpu clocks or for fun?
They have to be better then the Ultra cards I have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandybeach
OPP
Send them this way if they are 'crap' cards :D
I just may;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
OPP
Thanks (all)!! I got them from www.gameve.com for $370 each... they were really nice and overnighted them to me for the price of two night. :) Be careful if you buy from that site though... they have another 6800GT which is really a 6800GTX (12 pipes)... not a true "GT" if you ask me. Their sku for these is 0080, but the 12 pipe one is 0079.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
Now if newegg will get my my CPU and SATA drives I will be able to start some testing... heh... I should have all my stuff for the new rig by end of the week... this weekend should be fun. (I hope.... hoping nothing explodes when I plug it in.. heh)... I always cringe a little as I fire up a motherboard video card combo for the first time... praying I don't hear a cap pop.. :)
Thanks! I will surely let you know what I think of mine when I get the new rig setup... I already posted where I got them above... good price for these... I am realy curios how high these will run with the big ass copper HSF setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
not sure if I posted this yet here, so here goes
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum $199 (Fry's)
Athlon 64 3500+ winchester $268 (Newegg)
2x MSI NX6800GT-T2D256E $740 (gameve)
2x Seagete 300gig SATA $370 (Newegg)
ULTRA X-Connect 24-pin cable $12.99 (Xoxide)
500W ULTRA X-Connect PSU UV orange $97.99 (Xoxide)
Aspire X-Navigator case $109.99 (Xoxide)
2x Cooler Master 18" Serial ATA UV purple $8.98 (Xoxide)
Dual UV Cold Cathode kit $6.99 (Xoxide)
2x ULTRA X-Connect PCI express cable $19.98 (Xoxide)
2x Quad LED Blue 80mm Fan $7.98 (Xoxide)
Cooler Master KHC-V81 Heat Pipe Cooler $29.99 (Xoxide)
NEC dual layer DVD-RW 16x $52.99 (Newegg)
Saumsung DVD reader 16x $23 (Newegg)
I have cas2.0 pc3200 already, so I am all set... just need to get this stuff... wow... can you say, eager???? !!!! :woot: :banana:
Just like normal times ;)
I hope you get some good cards with the next batch and I hope that SLI cascades are up and running soon.
Bring the 3D Mark 03 and 05 records to XS.
I know, its LN2 vs. cascades but Im talking about OPPAINTER skill in the mix with the cascades which surely means the records 'should' be broken :D
Good price on them cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by revenant
The egg has them in but it shows in the pics as a ref card with normal nvidia stock cooler. Wonder if they actually come as the ones like yours... the copper full flavour MSI stock heatsinks. I wonder if its the same with other manufacturers too.
That's an interesting point... The pic at gameVE has the green PCB card with the ref card sink and such.. like newegg... but I got the awesome rev2 card. I was very happy. :) I was also thinking I might get one of each... in which case I would be very interested to see how well SLI would be... perhaps a bios flash to match them better... heck, I might have to do that anyways... I'd have to call my machine "The Malimute" or something (like when the Huskies have one blue eye and one white one, heh)...
So, gameve is showing the ref board but shipping these... not sure about the egg... but I reccon they might be doing the same. :)
took a few more pics tonight.... now I am really eager to get the rest of my machine!! ...check the fan speed slider on the top of each card. nice little touch... :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28542&stc=1
and incase you were wondering about the clearance of the card to the nforce chipset cooler.. wow, "close" would be a word to describe it. :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28546&stc=1
it's a good thing the fan blades are protected by that sink "armor" :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28547&stc=1
but it all fits nice and snug... should work out well! now I wish I had sprung for two day shipping... on my case, psu, cables and head pipe cooler... oh well... as long as it's here by by friday... (but hoping for anytime before that!)
:banana: :banana:
edit: ok one more
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28548&stc=1
are those pci slots usable? the orange one is for a wifi card right? when its up and running can u see if u can have a pci slot filled and see what it does to the temps of the GT? maybe u can have 1 slot filled, if those were ultras, i dontthink any pci slots could be used or they would block airflow
yeah -- I think I could fit one card with the GTs, but not the Ultras... The onlt card I plan on using in this machine, other than the GTs is this
http://www.hardcoreware.net/reviews/review-191-1.htm
w00t. I will be sure to let you guys know what the temps are like, with and without the fan card cooler.
EDIT: this mobo does have an onboard creative SB live 7.1 with SPDIF and the whole shibang... so no need for sound card... I hear the sound it really good also, not affected by the mobo... this will be the first time I have used onboard sound... wow. :)
It's just a matter of time before they Wake Up the Sleeping Giant:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Steven
OPP
OPPIE... oh I dont like that ;)
Very nice to see the 2 MSI 6800GT's sitting on a MSI board there revenant. Also the idea for the fan sliders is a neat idea. That adjust fan speed then ? Is this just a feature with MSI 6800 SLI cards?
Opp has the 2k1 via CPU power+ram+gpu combo
The Fin's have the edge from some "OK ;)" 6800's that rock almsot 650mhz core :)
I thought it would be fitting, MSI mobo, MSI cards! MSI fan boy here.. lol... Hopefully this will also maximize stability... but I doubt they design theirs cards to be more stable with their mobos... but you would hope they will play well together.. yeah, that slider controlls the fan speed... check it out -Quote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=28570&stc=1
looks a little "cruddy" on the inside from the air bubles trapped under the decals... I am going to blow these cards out thoroughly before turning them on for the first time... I noticed some of the packing foam all stringy on one of them when I pulled it out of the container for the first time...
Don't worry, our FX55 isn't good enough for 2k1 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
OPP whens ur cascade ready?
i cant wait to see the results of that cos im saving for a single and dual unit for my next system :P
I don't know. I'm hoping this week. In fact, I need very body that reads this to do me a favor. Please PM PCIce and ask him him to get on my Cascade already. Here's his PM info. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Korpse
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/member.php?u=890
OPP
Poor guy :D Gonna be swamped.....Quote:
Originally Posted by OPPAINTER
Well maybe I'll be able to get my ergency message across:DQuote:
Originally Posted by twilius_basic
OPP
hes busy doing it m8 :D
im sure damn i cant wait (lol ive said that twice already) wanna see some sweet action...i mean even sweeter action
Well now, thats a little OT. :p: But I must say if you cant wait for venices etc. the latest Newcastles and castrated claws smoke the winnie crap thats out now. I don't want to ramble OT, but you can always PM me or ask around.Quote:
Originally Posted by revenant
_________-
Be cool to see OPP have a go with GT's. Some of the best scores are coming from these unexplainably. I know there is tighter mem timings but still confusing. I think nV gets good yields. It seems the only thing holding the AGP guys back was it's power hungry nature. It seems like almost every NV40 can run 16ps/6vs @ 400 MHz+. I know we're actually looking for 400+++++++.
edit:You don't really want us to PM PC_ice do you? Ah well, I wanted to ask him something anyways. :p:
He will have a shed load of PM's...
OPP - sorry for being off topic
but does owning a super ownage cooling system allow for you to get free computer parts (for testing,overclocking etc)?
No, being in first place allows you to get free parts, but most of them arnt free even if you are.
(Although right after I bought my first cascade I got like 3 PMs from companies wanting to sell me stuff rather cheaply, but I think it was a conicidence)
Well having good resources may result in manufacturers sending you samples or full releases of motherboards or what ever for testing. The user has the right stuff and skill to max out the hardware and report back to the manufacturers how it performs and action may be taken on what the results are if the motherboard already isnt released fully. Im sure you become to have contacts over time and build up good relationships with manufacturers and accquire sponcers over time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpse
They 'lend' you the product, you max it out to its and yours best capabilities, the news goes around on forums and wesbsites that such record or accomplishment has been broken or made... people get very intrested in the hardware used and it leads to other users to buy the manufacturers product.
or give you CPU's which are hard to come by... Mr. Venice. :) lucky!
IIRC, thats what dfi did with their 925xe mobo, let fuggs get 7.2ghz with it.
well - as im hopefully get a cascade ( well 2 actually,1 single and 1 dual @ -100c) im so hoping for some WRs etc so with anyluck i mite be lucky to get samples of stuff