Laugh all you want but they only did 230MHz when I got them. Some RAM has been proven to gain from burning in so it is not just a myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
the_n00b<:o): too early stick.
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Laugh all you want but they only did 230MHz when I got them. Some RAM has been proven to gain from burning in so it is not just a myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
the_n00b<:o): too early stick.
Your Twinmos RAM has Mitsubishi Chips on it. Test it, but it'll never perform like Winbond. ;) I bet it doesn't have the two dimples in the middle, but one half dimple in the middle of the lower edge of the chip. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by tom_ed
well heres a pic:
http://img159.exs.cx/img159/5383/p10100209au.th.jpg
i think it has 2 large dimples on the chips. testing now...
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Originally Posted by the_n00b<:o)
it works but the VVT track gets all out of whack so the more volts dont really help much...
tom: that looks like winbond to me buddy, start cooking them and let us know how it goes.
Hi there guys and HAPPY NEW YEAR...... :toast:
Now........Testing those two modules I was quit amazed I could say...... :D
They ACT like BH-5 modules BUT COLDER.......on an INTEL rig....... ;)
With 3.2Vdimm(provided by the DDR Maximizer - clean power - :D .....they reached over 240MHz at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2.........NONE CH-5 chips works at those settings on an INTEL rig so I believe that they are NOT equiv. to CH-5 chips........ ;)
Twinmos 2 x 512MB UTT on an ABIT AS8 Mobo with the 865 chipset.......at 3.55Vdimm....
PAT = Disabled
Timings :
2 - 5 - 2 - 2
32M
Auto
Normal
4
Enable
Disable
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/T...0MHz_1_png.png
The funny here is that the cpu-z shows "crazy" product date...... :D
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/T...0MHz_2_png.png
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/T...0MHz_3_png.png
.......and these are 2 x 512MB BH-5 chips for comparison.......at the same config....... ;)
http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/T...12MB_1_png.png
ALL I have to say is : Twinmos with the UTT chips = BH-5 chips........ ;) :)
so you guys saying
160$ for a GIG of good overclocking RAM ?
As I know esdee bought them about 140Euros........ ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
I think I'll get 2 x 256MB ones to see how they will do.......Hmmmm....... :)
damn hipro...
now i want that maximizer ever more lol.
i need to buy another set of ram for an old computer im selling so ill give these a shot and if they are good then ill keep em and if they are bad then away they go.
Is it this:
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...218-404&depa=1
or this?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...218-059&depa=1
Or am I completely off?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tom_ed
Hmm, interesting. Then Twinmos changed something, as some time ago all Winbond based Twinmos RAMs began with 04xxxx and so on. Yours is 03xxx and is definitely Winbond based. :toast:
Good luck with the sticks. :)
Edit: Well, got it wrong. Now I realized that it's the 4 at the end and not in the beginning. So yours are chips from week 25 in 2003 and the 4 means that it's winbond based. That's it. :D
So yours should basically be CH-5 chips.
So would that make this http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601808 the stuff to get ?
Im going to grab a 2x256 on tues if so.
damn cheap :>
well both been tested on my DFI 250gb @ 3.1v. I would have gone higher but im on a crappy 300w psu that has a 3.3v rail @ 3.15v
one stick did 240mhz 2-2-2-5 and the other did 247mhz 2-2-2-5. i feel with more volts they could go higher they scaled well up to there.
Jessfm that is the exact kit that this is, but i dont think they come with winbond chips anymore.
who could buy this for me in europe and send me ? i could wire the money
got no cc :(
I think its worth a look then.
But Hipro5 is reffering to a newer chip thats on these ??
So the chips between BH5 and the new UTT are poor clockers( CH5 or Mitsubishi chips?)
or am I totaly confused now ( to be fair I have had a couple of beers today)
so we should hunt for Twinmos with mtec/Twinmos chip
week 82 2004 or newer
Thanks Hipro5 :)
Week 82 sounds tough...;)
yes it is :slap:
so which do i buy? :(
w00t, I just bought a kit of OCZ VX (still on the way), now I have to buy these as well? :D
tictac you need to reboot your brain!!!! :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
My CH-5 does the same on abit IC7-G 3.55V ;)
i'll post shots tommorow :)
yeah ive seen newer ch-5 doing that before...
but still, what do i buy!? :(
lol
yeah i'm a little confused here as well are we supposed to get the speed premium with the twinmos chips or the cheap ones with the mtec chips?
me 2Quote:
Originally Posted by LSANTHRAX
:confused:
Any Idea when you should get it? I would really appreciate a picture of the ram when you get it or them :DQuote:
Originally Posted by abstrakt
hmmm wonder why the OCZ boyz are so quiet on this one. Perhaps its the same kind of chips they are using? :P
Many companies use the same exact machines to package their ram IC's. The results are similar, as well... You won't tell the difference between an unmarked Wibond, and an unmarked ProMOS chip, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
Hmm maybe im noty seeing the wood for the tree's here, but what chips are we looking for then, BH5 or ProMos ?
Any "value ram" made using the Winbond UTT chips are prime candidates.
http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/...0000055550.htm
so can we confirm which ones we buy from newegg? the supreme speed or the cheaper ones?
check some of the first page posts ... (page 1 or 2) ive posted my chipsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bennah
but since no one else has chips like those what can we know about what stepping-serial we should look for?
be petient
esdee where did you get them ?
kinda directly from the importer in greece...i will be testing some more chips later this week,and ill update!Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
they do ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
There is not such a week..... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tictac
cpu-z "shows" this week.........Accually it was week 51 - IF I remember well - esdee has post what week where they........ ;)
This one look like a good deal
Twinmos PC 3200 Dual Channel Kit 2x512MB - USD 140 :)
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...218-062&depa=0
tictac you sure about them ?
i prefer to go in a store and check my self what chips to getting, newegg might stock up!...Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
and yes the date stepping is 04514
by the way mine where not a DC kit ... they where just 2 512 sticks with the same stepping-date
erm here in slovenija i cant really choose....
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
I think you may want the speed premium if you are buying new ones. I will have my 1x256 speed premium today, so you will know soon if the new speed premium is one one with winbond utt.
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac
I think you may want the speed premium if you are buying new ones. I will have my 1x256 speed premium today, so you will know soon if the new speed premium is one one with winbond utt. I wanted to test just 1 256mb stick before throwing down on another 256, or 2x512.
some update info!
same voltage
esdee: would you get me 2 sticks of 512 ?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
i would love to get sticks for everone but i have only 2 at the moment plus i have the guy in the importer to contact me if he comes across any modules like this. I ll have to find some more of them !
/ps please pm me for stuff like these ...
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
i don't get whats so special unless they are 2-2-2-5
Sorry about the size OCZ 4400
http://www.fattass.dsl.pipex.com/stuff/4400.JPG
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
yeah, I have some of that too, except I didn't post it here like you did. How is this relavent to the thread? Is it that your $300+ ram is out performed by ram that costs $140?
lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Sorry didnt read the start of the thread just thought we where posting bandwiths etc some one said the ocz boys where keeping quiet so I posted but yes you are right my ram the 4200 2 x 512 run at 8,4,4,3 which is poo but in my a64 system they are stable and yes they do cost too bloody much
I was assuming you were talking about ocz el 4200 platinum TCCD? Yours looks like the older 4200+ (ras-4 at only 270mhz) this can't be tccd.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
No the 4200 is just the performance memory I dont know how much it costs in the us but here it is expensive I did have some twinmos ch-5 but you had to throw huge volts through it to overclock and my a64 mem controler didnt like it ??
And dont think it is tccd
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
We'll the whole point of the twinmos is that we are trying to see how it reacts to really high volts. So if you don't want to vmod or use a ddr booster, then you are better off with tccd. But for those that have volts to throw at it, this is a serious find.
Sorry will see if I can stick my other foot in ok
My CH-5 I stuck 3.6Volts through it and I think it damaged my fx53 mem controller
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=118498&cks=SPK
Is that likely to be the good stuff? or jsut bog standard twinmos?
I bought a matched pair from there and it was m tech chips they do sell windbond chips think they will be ch-5
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=PRL
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
problems with early amd64 mem controllers and high volts seems to be disapeared. since i bought those mems they run 24/7 @ 3.5V with a 8cm tornado on the booster and mems
No problems, random reboots or anything so far
not ch5, they are winbond utt blank chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by fatty
damn it even puts tccd to shame. Come on guys, find out the truth so I can pick up a gig of this stuff too. Now if only Hipro5 would hurry it up with his maximizer thingy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
i highly suspect they are untested CH chips
how about this stuff ?
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115491&cks=PRL
OK, well then Twinmos person I spoke to on the phone is lying to me. Honestly, CH5 would cost too much for these to be budget chips. Look at the price, even if untested, I believe they would cost more money. That is why the utt blank would make more sense. Look at the price, plus, how much CH5 do you see going over 240/250mhz Mhz at 2-2-2? :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
i like my instict!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=139
The ones you want at komplett.co.uk are the cheaper unmarked sticks. Please note the twinmos serial/product numbers in the links.
These are twinmos 256mb pc3200 sticks serial no. M2G9I08A-MK
Cheap twinmos unbranded
twinmos 512mb pc3200 serial no.M2G9J16A-MK
should be winbond utt
I have got a stick of the 256mb M2g9108A-mk coming soon. Komplett have despatched via Parcelforce so it should get to me sometime this week.
Rob H
what did the twinmos person tell you?Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
CH just means the manufacturing process... 0.13
BH is .18
they are exact same design just a process shrink.
why would they design totally new chips...
UTT just means untested. they could be anything but since winbond only produced CH after BH this means they are untested CH....
my CH-5 bought 1 year ago does 260 2-2-2-5 at 3.6v
at 2.8v it would only run 210 max 2-3-2-5 :)
Last time I bought the twinmos windbond from komplett it was the cheapy single 3200 sticks not a matched pair and they where ch-5 not sure what the ones they have now are
the CH-5 that i have is 0320. they are actually total crap. They dont like ANY divider past 255mhz fsb (208 in 5:4) and even less in 3:2.
atleast they perform a bit in 1:1 with volts.
thats another thing i heard that was in common with VX. the VX also doesnt like dividers or something.
Yeah I knew that about the duel channel kits loool :D
Also can you post some duel channel bandwith scores from your ch-5 running at 240 with tight timmings unrealneo2 cheers
interesting. I had issues with my vx with dividers in the bios on the neo2. only way for a divider to work was use a64 tweaker. I tried all available beta bios for neo2.Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
Earlier I mentioned Infineon, but now I think Infineon has nothing to do with this stuff. Winbond and Infineon have an agreement. Winbond makes the chips for Infineon. In exchange, Infineon gives them some technology and money. I'm not sure what technology though. So you are saying CH5 = UTT (un tested ch5?)
well what i'm saying is that these UTT are based on CH wafer/technology/and design. Winbond didnt make anything new after they stopped producing CH half a year ago. all they are doing now is just fireing up the machines for infineon i think. Youve got CH-5/6/7 this UTT is all that + failed chips all jumbled up :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
highly possible but they performe hella nice for ch-5 + their price! don't you think? ;)
are they actually winmoss tho ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcworks
may buy 2 x 512Mb sticks :)
My girlfriend called me, twinmos Speed Premium just came from newegg. She said it's from week 0446 and it has the dimples. I'll be home soon...
give her a big kiss for me lol transam
BH-6 is .18, BH-5 is .16 IIRC, CH-5 was a whole new die, a crippled BH-5 designed to be cheaper...Quote:
Originally Posted by enzoR
Those serial numbers are actual Twinmos serial numbers. My stick of 256mb has been dispatched to tonigh via Parcel force24. Will post up some pictures when it arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rancidelephant
Rob H
cant wait for results
OK, guys I'm home. Here are some pics in the meantime while I'm testing...
whewt, i await results
OK guys. Max stable with minimal burn in time was 267mhz 2-2-2-10 1T 3.5vdimm
this is in single channel dfi ut nf3 250GB.
1x256 Twinmos Speed Premium ddr400
$39 at newegg lol!
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22026&stc=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22027&stc=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/atta...id=22028&stc=1
Do you guys think the 512 is worth a shot? This is REALLY tempting, but I want a gig.
That same memory with the exact same Twinmos serial number is in stock at komplett.co.uk for £22inc Vat
Winbond UTT memory by Twinmos
Just a £1 more then the price I paid for my stick. They only have 50-99 sticks left instock.
Rob H
If you order LMK.
Im going to buy a couple fo sticksQuote:
Originally Posted by cardnut99668
Check out the sn on this twister, either its not changed or its teh same mem maybe?
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120095&cks=PRL
<edit>
as does this....
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120022&cks=PRL
the w/winbond stuff has a different s/n tho... </edit>
Hmmmmmmmm thats all very confusing, especialy the Cas2 twister is the same price. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland3r
Neither of those Benneh. Have order a stick of these:
unbranded sticks with Twinmos serial number!!
Unbranded sticks with Twinmos serial number!!!!
Will post pics on arrival
Just hope ocuk get my RMAed OCZ booster back asap.
Rob H
when did yo uorder them ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcworks
Might hold off till you get urs as we may need to try a different type.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
lol no. BH is all the same manufacuring process. you also have CH-6.... exact same die.
:brick: Damn it. Why can't online stores just show actual pics of the RAM they're selling? the same for cpu's. I'm getting sick of emailing every store asking if they have ram with code x or cpu with stepping y...
anyways this twinmos stuff seems really promising, might get some myself if i can find it cheap
Thanks TRANSAM for the update man... I think Im gonna order a 512 from newegg to see if they will be the same....or almost the same :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
you can email newegg and they will tell you cpu steppings and what the codes on the ram?
if thats the case then i'll order me 2x512 of the twinmos that transam got, the speed premium series i believe.
Trans am, how did it act with lower voltages?
I never tried low volts. Basically I had my vx in already, and popped them out and then popped in the twinmos and left the settings the same and booted straight into memtest86. When I saw they were passing at the same speed as my vx, I just kept increasing the speed 5mhz at a time. then I tried 270 and got 100 errors on the first pass. I increased the vdimm to 3.6 and tried again, but pretty much got same results. I backed it down 1mhz at time until it would pass test5 12 times with no errors. I think once these are burned in they will easily do 270mhz. ROFL! I just checked newegg so I could order another 256 stick, but they are already sold out! Damn you guys! Word travels fast on XS. I ended up getting 2x512 sticks of the speed premium. Let's hope it's the same stuff. :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by DaGoof
$156 after shipping.
nevermind. I just checked again and the 256mb sticks are back on, but now the 512 sticks are sold out lol
OH BOY !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Mine will be here thursday(Allready Shipped) and i just know that
it's gonna be fun... :D
I sure hope your instincts were right trans am :cool:
-Sean
EDIT: I'm glad i started readin this thread when it first started... :banana:
You know they have been "Selling like Hotcakes" since this thread
started(SOLD OUT)... "trans am" you are the man :toast:
-Sean
NOT MORE MEMROY :)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
At this rate you will need a forum of your own, never mind a seperate memory forum :)
Great info Trans Am thanks for the work..
:toast:
looks like all the speed premium except the sigle 256mb sticks are sold out allready
This is really good. We just cleared newegg's entire supply of Speed premium. 99.9999% chance the next shipment of speed premium will be the latest and guaranteed to be the new stuff. Mine was week 46 and order was placed last week so this is a good sign for people living in the US. As for the others in other countries, I am not sure what you guys are going to end up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by LSANTHRAX
Man I'm glad I don't have a Mac.
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Originally Posted by trans am
Not quite...they are back in stock, or at least they just sold me 4 sticks.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...218-404&depa=1