I so wanted a 780 Lightning but I think I will wait for these now (or buy a Lightning and sell it when these come out...).
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I so wanted a 780 Lightning but I think I will wait for these now (or buy a Lightning and sell it when these come out...).
:)
no new leaks? Ok, i can start ...
Hawaii:
Node: 28nm
GPU size around 470-480 mm2
DP Ratio 1:2
TDP higher then 250W for highest SKU
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.. to be continued :)
I think, size seems too big. I know, is not possible to be lower at the same process, but over 400 mm?
Can't confirm GPU size but you get a gold star :) 1:2 DP ratio is going to be very, very interesting. Dat FP64 performance, it'll be scary good. Now if only AMD actually had an HPC market XDQuote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
what is dp ratio?
Guys, chill a bit and don't believe everything someone posts here.
i am not someone :)
Lmao holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: its Jesus of Silicon
Double precision, aka DP or FP64, i.e. extremely accurate calculations needed for scientific research.Quote:
Originally Posted by kromosto
Single precision, aka SP or FP32, i.e. general compute/shader performance.
1/2 means that if Hawaii has ~5.4TFlops of SP, DP would be ~2.7TFlops.
7970 had 1/4 DP rate and Titan has 1/3 DP rate.
Edit- Forgot to ask if anyone knows if DP is important/used for Radeon Sky product line.
I don't think it would but I'm not sure.
Re Edit- From some of the marketing/press release docs I found, it doesn't appear to use/need DP at all since the docs make no mention of DP performance.
To me, yes you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Yes, that's right, you are nobody. Welcome to the Internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
You're the 3-letter banned guy, no ?Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
I think you are correct Olivon ;).
who?
OMG dude, I finally worked out where your avatar comes from! I was watching the foreign movie channel and they had this animated French movie on from decades ago...and bam! now I knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
HIS R9 280X iPower IceQ X? Boost Clock 3GB GDDR5 PCI-E DLDVI-I/HDMI/2xMini DP
it seems, first will be Gaming card with cutted GPU, and full GPU only for FirePro SKUs
384bit? That better be "9870". :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Yes, in first gaming SKU "D9" will be only 384-bit mem controller.
Im really looking forward for D day...I think about performance - around 5-10% better than GTX 780? What do you think guys? But Im afraid from power consumption in load, if is it big card...
Pedant One seems to be in all probability OBR a guy with a history of leaks and douchebaginess .However he was more often than right spot on regarding the pure specs and data (while whining to extreme in the "opinion" section").Most recent big info i recall was performance data few months before release of bulldozer, on which he was disappointingly right.
As for the cards, this round im more interested in mid end to be honest, im on this 6950@6970 for eternity now and still pretty much all games play flawless :-/ ,thats of course for folks with FULLHD single monitor setups.
On a side note ,is DP performance related to bitcoining strength ?
Hawaii die should indeed be something between 470-511 sqr mm, atleast 30% larger than Tahiti.
The die is rectangular shape btw.
More perimeter for the interface...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Here is some more info
"GPU-Z 0.7.3:
Added preliminary support for AMD Radeon R7 240, R7 250, R7 260X, R9 270, R9 270X, R9 290, R9 290X"
Also appears Vesuvius may be their dual GPU card
http://videocardz.com/45569/amd-rade...aming-unveiled
"It seems that someone from HIS made a huge mistake today by posting more information about the future AMD products.
AMD Radeon R9 280X is a successor to Radeon HD 7970"
http://videocardz.com/45608/amd-rade...b-gddr5-memory
AMD coming to bigger die is really a good newz :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
Doesn't seem to be so impressive. Then again I don't think Nvidias the first Maxwell GPU's next year will be double the performance of a 780/Titan either. They will need a die shrink for that.
Maxwell is 20nm...Quote:
Originally Posted by nossy23
16nm isn't due until well into 2015.
I've heard that the first Maxwell might still be 28nm, since they will not get 20nm up to speed in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Radeon Sky is aimed at cloud gaming providers who would use whatever a given game uses, ie SP.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Volume production for 20nm is Q1 2014. That meshes perfectly with Maxwell.Quote:
Originally Posted by nossy23
few pages back is my info about 470-480 mm2 of hawaii chip
you are wrong, maxwell will be released at 28nm, not all skus, but first one will be 28nm, high end maybe at 20 nmQuote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Nomnomnomnom... lookin' forward to them Maxwells!Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
20nm is too expensive. I would not expect 20nm GPUs before Q3 2014. If 20nm were ready in Q1 2014, why in the world would AMD release their stuff on 28nm only 2-3 months earlier? That makes no sense!
Perhaps because right now they are strongly outperformed stock-to-stock and oc-to-oc on their top cards, and are having to unload them at very low pricing in the US at least in order to even sell them? Dumping 7950's with free games for $180 after rebate can't be helping them, or $280ish 7970's... not to mention their brand image being tarnished by crossfire issues and low prices making them look "cheap" (I don't agree, but it is what some people will think).Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
Yeah, sadly that is the only reason why. They said a while back no new GPUs until 2014.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
But you don't develop a GPU that will either be outdated by your own 20nm-GPU a quarter later or buttkicked by the 20nm-GPU of the competition after the same time. Designing and taping out a GPU costs dozens of millions. They would never recover the costs in 3 months. Nowadays GPUs live 12-18 months, possibly even 24 months (reusing them in a refresh lineup like GK104, GK106 and now Tahiti).
Dozens of millions haha
What's so funny? Engineers have to be paid to make the design and test it. One set of masks for a GPU is very expensive.
i think he might find it funny that you chose to use "dozens" instead of the often heard "tens"
Lol, well then tens of millions.
Well, I guess AMD really wants to be the best...so they are willing to make some sacrifices now, to come out ahead in the long run. I would have bought a 780 and then I would have to change my monitor to support Light Boost...making it less likely for me to switch back to AMD any time soon....so AMD is making the right move in my case.
any one have an idea of when the NDA will end on those?
hint hint @SKYMTL
ATi did so before with the x1800xtx -> x1900xtx. There was like a 2 month gap there. That's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
Next Generation Nvidia Die : 28 NM
True, although I never thought that made sense. But today making a GPU is more expensive. Much more expensive. And AMD isn't exactly swimming in money right now, they have lots of other projects.Quote:
Originally Posted by DilTech
Before the end of the year one would hope. As you know, NDA lift dates are under NDA. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mk
AMD Hawaii meeting on Hawaii island is 22-24 of September. NDA for press maybe ends 09/25. But only for few slides, architecture, by my source NO CARD will be shown till October + Battlefield 4 launch.
From Forbes: "Exclusive Interview: AMD's Matt Skynner Talks New Radeon Cards, Next-Gen Consoles, 7990 Criticism."
He gives a bit of information about AMD's upcoming GPUs.
That's around 425-435 mm^2 for (what I assume to be) Hawaii then. (I've seen different places say 551 mm^2 or 561 mm^2 for GK110.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Skynner
it is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:, if its Hawaii die size = GK110 - 30 percents, has the same die size like Tahiti, no more SPs, no more ROPs, it cant be true
561/1.3 = 430
Percentage calculation is multiplicative, not additive ;)
Yet it is difficult to imagine that this GPU has lots and lots of additional units at 430mm2.
This die size is kind of worrisome. 20 percent increase in die size won't lead to a 40% increase in performance some are lead to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by iMacmatician
Matt Skynner from AMD is saying BS?Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
i wish :) because with that die size cannot compete with GTX 780 or TitanQuote:
Originally Posted by iMacmatician
Lawl. You are funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Interesting comment about targeting enthusiasts and not "Ultra Enthusiasts". This is a mistake in my opinion.
Kelt Reeves founder of Falcon Nw had this to say on that subject.
?The Nvidia GeForce Titan is our #1 selling graphics card by far ? despite it being the most expensive,? Reeves reveals. ?What?s more, our customer for this card is actually buying an average of 1.3 Titans per PC. In other words, a huge number of them are buying two and even three of these monster GPUs in a single system.?
Someone should send this link to Matt skynner
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasoneva...to-the-rescue/
AMD Hawaii with a die size of 430 - 440 sq mm might be able to compete with GTX 780 on a clock for clock basis. But the fact is Nvidia will easily release a 2688 sp or even 2880 sp GTX 785 and put AMD a distant second. Its disappointing that AMD did not go for a bigger chip around 470 - 480 sq mm. AMD have once again failed to aggressively go for the GPU crown against Nvidia's top flagship. AMD is once again left to look at pricing and game bundles to improve its value proposition.
At 2560 SP they might be faster at similar clocks. As far as I've heard they will also clock higher than the GTX 780. It's still possible that they compete with Titan and even beat it by a percent or two.
It might be able to compete, but I would imagine it would need to be clocked much closer to the thresholds of its clocking limits. Under air, Titan can get into the 1300mhz range with a bit more voltage and the right bios' currently. The highest I have seen from overclock.net is 1400 mhz under air. However stock clocks are 900mhz. I don't think next gen GCN(increased front end) is going to do AMD any favors for overclocking ability and we might see the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
If Hawaii is clocked at 1050mhz-1100mhz. It should compete with the gtx 780(maybe even beat it slightly), however it will consume a lot of power doing so and not have nearly as much overclocking room as a gk110. Of course, if AMD blocks access to Nvidia for battlefield 4 which will surely be in reviews, we should see a unusual 20 percent lead(particularly if the game is dropped on last minute and reviewers use only a canned benchmark). Aside from drivers, the biggest things saving AMD lately in reviews are Gaming evolved games which Nvidia can't perform well in(sleeping dogs, Dirt showdown, Hitman Absolution). Add one title in you add 3 percent or so performance difference for the review. Add all three and you can see a close to 10 percent change in averages for a review. If battlefield 4 has initial performance similar to tomb raider canned benchmark when Nvidia wasn't given access to it, you can add another 3 percent to that average. Right now, Nvidia doesn't have any titles that act like sleeping dogs or dirtshowdown, with global illumination that cripple Nvidia performance.
I think AMD is going to go open air cooler for most of their hawaii line up considering how bad a blower fan worked on a 7970, particularly the ghz edition.
Yes, because when you are designing/building/selling ultra enthusiast overpriced highend botique PCs to a niche market it is surprising that the most expensive consumer GPU is their #1 seller?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
You are making a lot of assumptions about an almost completely unknown entity.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Edit- So assuming somewhere around 430-440mm2, 5.5-6b transistors, compared to the 4.31b on Tahiti.
I would guess somewere around 5.8b transistors.
If AMD can produce another 4870, then I don't think they have much to worry about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Something like a 20 percent increase in die size isn't going to be a magic bullet for 40 percent more performance, particularly at the clocks 7970 ghz is currently set at and how much performance it has.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
I remember you were particularly optimistic with the performance difference between 5870 and 6970. That had a 16.4% difference in die size and we got something along that line for the performance difference(you expected much greater).We probably get less than that 16.4% Probably a bit below it if we take an average across the board.
With this 430ish die size coming from a particularly reliable source, Tahiti isn't going to get the massive spec jump like between gk110 and gk104. So it can't afford the low clocks like gk110. However I am guessing it can't particular afford to keep clocks high considering the relatively high power consumption of a 7970 ghz and the increased die size over 7970, increasing the complexity of the gcn cores. The better front end might increase utilization and efficiency of resources, but powers going to go up quite a bit like the 5870 to 6970(this went up more than the performance in some reviews).
I still stick by my 18% performance increase over a ghz edition(it might be greater if Battlefield 4 is mega optimize benchmark). But for the most part in GPU design history, the larger the size of a chips predecessor, the less each companies has been able to wring out for its next gen, particularly on the same process.
Somehow getting 40% more performance from only a 20 percent increase in die size on the same process is unprecedented. And with GCN not having a lead for performance per die size this generation and this relatively modest increase in die size, even with increased efficiency, its going to be hard for AMD to make the Iceberg you so desire.
W/o any compute enhancements 1.5b trans might just be enough for an extra 1024 SP and 16 ROPs. This coupled with arhitecture enhancements and less redundancy and we could be in for a surprise. Fingers are crossed.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Where does this 40% increase keep coming from? Why are we comparing Tahiti clocks and performance? Hawaii is a different ASIC with an evolved/tweaked architecture.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Average is/was at least +20% over 5870. Ibiza performance targets got leaked and mixed in with the Cayman leaks...Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
I have apologized about that on numerous occasions.
We will have to wait and see. There are numerous optimizations/efficiency gains that have been added to GCN since Tahiti was released.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
That is great, you do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
~30% more performance with a 51% larger die. GK110 isn't exactly holding a mm2/performance lead.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Simply adding more 1024 more cores and 16 more ROP without changing the architecture would lead to a loss for AMD. Per core GCN is less efficient than Nvidia, core scaling(look at a gtx 650ti and gtx 680 performance difference). Also there is a good chance more bottle necks would pop up without doubling everything else. Simply adding more 50%GCN cores + ROP would not lead to close to a 50% increase in performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvc
There's a good chance if AMD somehow managed to double up every spec on the 7970(keeping the architecture the exact same) like gk104 to Gk110, it would still lose(particularly because a 600mm2 Plus die would need low clocks) because of inefficiency in scaling up the cores. A change/improvement in architecture is the better route because of the relatively large die size of the 7970 and AMD not having the a Professional market to support the wasteful nature of large dies. The Professional market is how Nvidia affords the R and D and poor yields of big chips. Particularly in this market, doubling up specs lead to more impressive performance gains in applications vs gaming ones.
40% over a ghz edition is what is needed for Hawaii to beat titan and not simply be comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Titan chips are pretty much bad gk110 chips. They usually range in the 60-74% range ASIC range and are not fully enabled. They are likely the left over parts from the pro market.
Take a fully enabled gk110 and take a better asic you could see a 50 percent performance gain over a ghz edition while pushing the chips similarly hard(a fully enabled gk110 vs tahiti xt). EVGA superclocked Gtx 780 with ACX coolers already have close to a 40% increase in performance over a 7970 ghz edition. And this is with 25% percent of gk110 cores disabled(2304 vs 2880).
Gk110 is so under-clocked its not even funny(when was the last time this big of a chip was able to top performance per watt charts). Them still using a super quiet blower fan vs an open air for such a large chip means they have a lot left in the tank.
Where are you pulling out this figure that Titan is 40% faster than the 7970, from most of the benchmarks i have looked at this really is not the case especially for the ghz model.
maybe 40% if at the same clock speed as titan and since 7970ghz is clocked 20% faster...Quote:
Originally Posted by m_jones_
there is some games where titan does win by around 40% although on average it may be closer to 25%
so it would need to be 40% faster to win outright
Spot-on... it's hilariously underclocked considering what virtually all of the cards can reach (Sandy-Bridge-like easy OC's). Personally I'm using a no-throttle BIOS and running at 1280mhz core fulltime boost, with 7048mhz mem (tested to ensure it's not error-correcting and is still boosting performance), for a 24/7 OC with a voltage bump. Card's not whisper-quiet at those speeds but it's not what I'd call loud either (ACX-cooler Superclock eVGA card). Voltage isn't even crazy either to be honest...Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
I also normally run for gaming a whisper quiet profile at 1150c and around 1500rpm or less fan speed on the acx, 7.1ghz mem. While the other is stable I am a quiet freak so I value silence over the performance bump. This profile runs at 1.175v.
Titan is somewhere around 32-33 percent faster than a 7970 ghz at the highest resolutions. Particularly if you have a wider range of games to dilute the effect of something like dirt showdown. If hawaii is 2 percent faster than titan, most would not consider it faster. Most people will consider it more or less the same speed. It needs to have something tangible and to me that is 40 percent faster than a 7970ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by dasa
You really think AMD has been sitting on its ass, doing nothing? I dont get this thinking. We cant know what kind of modifications and bottleneck removals has AMD been doing compared to GCN 1.0. 7870 was on par performance per watt basis against GTX680. 7970 was not, becouse of the compute overhead. I dont see how they would release same performing GPU on same process node. It would make no sense what so ever. They have had lot of time to better the the desing and remove bottlenecs and power consumption. Also 28nm process is way more mature and their understanding of that process is way better at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
No, 7950 is hilariously underclocked. My titan on the other hand wasn't stable at over 1167mhz and that was on water with a modded bios. That seemed to be about average. Most people running an oc like that aren't going to brag on the forums. I see it all of the time especially with cpus. Also GK110 runs hot as balls at 1.2v.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
As is if you check some 7970 ghz edition and GTX780 benchmarks and then go look at the old 4870 reviews the difference is very similar. Price difference is also very similar.
You got a dud of a titan there. I am pretty sure you have been to overclock.net. With the right bios firmwares(which have been updated within the last month), everyone and I mean everyone is getting 1200mhz lately. Some are reaching 1300+. With water getting to or past 1400mhz is not unheard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I know the gtx 780 isn't titan, but pretty much everyone that owns a evga classified edition is getting to 1300 with a bit of work, some more than others.
Some of the early Titans got a really low asics and even then the lowest I have seen clocked is 1126 range or something. I have seen plenty of 7950 hit only these type of clocks to because of voltage locks.
But as far as clocks go, gk110 goes up higher percent wise than tahiti. Go to HWBOT and you will see the top gk110's top the top 7970's as far as pure frequency goes which is why it will be difficult for AMD to beat with hawaii.
I kept my eye on the forums when Titan was released. Most wouldn't do 1200mhz.
I've owned four 7950s, every one did at least 1200mhz on water. thats a 50% overclock from stock clocks. or a 30% overclock over boost edition.Quote:
I have seen plenty of 7950 hit only these type of clocks to because of voltage locks.
Lol, ok.Quote:
But as far as clocks go, gk110 goes up higher percent wise than tahiti.
At the beginning when Titan was released the cards clocked between 1126- 1226. But things have improved since then. More recent bios have come out and unlocked alot more potential. In addition, I am starting to see better asics making it into GK110 gaming cards. For a monster chip like gk110, your likely to see the biggest improvements overtime in regards to yields and clocking. Particularly when Nvidia professional lineup is eating the best chips. The most recent gk104's don't really clock better than the old ones, but its seems recently gk110 has gotten better.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
Some 7950's are famous for not hitting high clocks. The ones that are know not to do this are a particular model of xfx double d edition which lock the volts and don't use a reference PCB. It is a popular model because of its low price still. I believe there are certain sapphire cards that have limited overclocking potential because of the PCB and voltage locking.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...Vapor-X-Review
Here is a guide. But with later 7950's. AMD was more restrictive with voltage and alot of newer cards come voltage locked.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1394623/b...guide-to-7950s
1200 on water isn't that impressive for any card this generation. Saying the 7950 is underclocked and saying all them reach 1200 with water isn't that impressive, if this was air I would be more impressed. The base 7950 just doesn't perform that well at completely stock clocks and they need overclocking for sure. I agree that stock 7950's and 7970's are underclocked. But not so much their ghz(1050MHZ) or boost editions(950mhz) which are becoming more and more the norm.
I am talking about the 7970 ghz edition, which I have been using as a baseline as far as performance goes all thread. Some 7970 ghz editions in reviews get like 100mhz out of the cards and that's it.
Tahiti at 1,05 GHz is on maximal TDP, imagine +20 percent bigger chip with higher clocks = 30 percent above Tahiti TDP = First One GPU card with TDP of dual card? - Impossible.
Yes, but you can't calculate it like that because it's new ASIC. Tahiti was AMD's first 28nm GPU on new process they never designed for. It's more reasonable to extrapolate from Bonaire, but you would still be miles off.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Let's wait for more specific leaks before announcing doom and gloom :)
so 18 games none of which are dirt showdown and some are heavily optimized for nvidia should count?Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...Stream/26.html
still it seems were bickering over less than 10% now close enough imo as it all comes down to the games tested the age of the drivers used and often more significantly the level that is used to test the game
and unless they come out with a 6g version at lunch the titan is still better :) even if no current games can make use of it :(
it will be interesting to see what they have for us
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Take this article with a grain of salt considering the source..... We all know how everyone feels about this writer. But........
R9-290X could actually be replacement for 7970, NOT r9-280 which will be a 7970 refresh much like Nvidia has done moving the gtx 670 down one slot with minor enhanents/cripple? And calling it a gtx 760.
This could explain why the specs for the r9-280 looks almost identical to 7970?
http://wccftech.com/amd-volcanic-isl...hd-7000-cores/
Grid 2 is the new dirt showdown. It also employs global illumination, is made by codemasters, gaming evolved, a racing game and has a rather unusual performance advantage. Two have two racing games by the same makers is kind of redundant. It isn't as big a genre is FPS.Quote:
Originally Posted by dasa
Most reviews are smaller than techpowerups lineup. And when you include 4 games out of 6-8 games which employ global illumination, you get a monster boost for amd. Twiwmtbp games are simply becoming rarer and rarer. Even games that at first had the initial performance advantage for Nvidia, have worked out to be favor AMD hardware now, like max payne 3. Some titles that were gaming evolved have reversed like crysis 3 or far cry 3. But games which employ global illumination have consistently performed better on AMD hardware.
Also aside from borderlands 2 and maybe assassins creed 3. I don't see any other game that really gives Nvidia an edge in games.
10% is huge in a review in an overall average. 7 percent was enough to sway people for the gtx 680/7970 upon initial release.
If AMD can get a 20 percent increase over on the same node and process and an increase in size of 20%, that will be good enough. It will be just as impressive if not more when AMD got 40% increase over a 6970 with the initial 7970 which had a new architecture and a new manufacturing node(basically allows doubling of size) going for it.
A modest increase of 15-20% percent over a ghz edition when the clocks were so high is not doom and gloom, it is a realistic increase that will keep AMD in the game until 20nm hits.
It will put them in a better position than the last generation(6970/gtx 580) because titan is so overpriced, as is the gtx 780. It will be easy for them to make profit with good margins as they can price their products relatively high compared to last generation. Enough to offset the cost the bundle is costing them.
If AMD case price the card at 550, have similar performance to a gtx 780 while having a 3 game bundle. That is already value right there and plays to AMD strong suit.
In addition, even if Nvidia releases a faster version of both cards, they are going to be supply limited. a 550mm2 chip is significantly bigger than a 430mm2 chip.
Not impossible. But unlikely.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedantOne
Tahiti has pretty bad performance/watt. No reason not to see an improvement. Nvidia even managed to improve GK104's perf/watt with release of GK110, and Kepler is very efficient to begin with.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by tajoh111
Yeah, ok. Like I said every one of the four 7950s that I had hit 1100mhz on air and did at least 1200mhz on water.
Your chances of hitting a dud clocker on that $650 GTX780 are much higher than a sub-$300 7950. I have no doubt about that.
Just do your homework and be sure that you don't buy one of the few voltage locked Tahitis.
Yeah huge sample size there....or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I had a 7970 Dual-X and it was not so good regarding overclocking.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
I bought that because of non voltage restriction compared to nVidia.
However, I was disappointed by the huge vdrop and low margin to play, indeed, this card was restricted too but nobody told me nothing about that.
Finally, I sold it.
Every 7950 ive used have at least managed to hit ~1075 on air and this XFX Double D i have manages 1150 on air with an accelero (the stock cooler sucked). These really are comically underclocked and the boost edition pointlessly overvolted (Bonnaire sorts out the frequency/turbo/voltage issue)
Titan is faster than 7970? Well 7990 is faster than Titan :eek:
It's hilarious all this titan talk, it's been years that AMD makes smaller competitive dies and keeps the performance crown with it's dual gpu card.
It's been years that some people are reduced to brag about a card beating another card that is almost half the size, and to when Nvidia finally puts a new arch when AMD already done it months ago, to brag how AMD it's late. :rolleyes:
August 2013
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Oh yeah AMD is in trouble, with a new arch coming up, it can only get worse :rolleyes:
^ those are APUs, you should look at dGPUs.
And you might not have noticed it, but dual gpu is not comparable with single gpu. Never has been. Microstuttering (even with frame metering/pacing), input lag, profile dependency...apples and oranges ;)
I know the pic has no real context, but given that nvidia is listed, and nvidia has no APUs, that chart can't be just APU only but rather all GPUs (APU included I suspect).Quote:
Originally Posted by boxleitnerb
AMD officially confirmed 25th of September - Hawaii presentation
SUNNYVALE, CA -- (Marketwired) -- 09/18/13 -- AMD (NYSE: AMD) today announced that it will webcast a special product showcase taking place at the AMD GPU '14 Tech Day event Wednesday, Sept. 25, 2013 at 3 p.m. EDT.
A real-time video webcast of the showcase can be accessed on the Investor Relations home page: ir.amd.com. A replay of the webcast can be accessed approximately one hour after the conclusion of the live event and will be available for 30 days after the event.
Additionally, viewers may access the webcast on the AMD Gaming Facebook page and AMD's YouTube channel. A replay of the webcast can be accessed on AMD's YouTube channel.
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Hopefully it's not just an announcement of an announcement.
Oh I'm so ready for this release. Two months without a discrete video card waiting for AMDs new card. I'm glad I didn't dump $750 on one card from Nvidia...cause now I got $1100 to give to AMD for two cards!:yepp:
I just can't wait to get rid of my POS 7870 damn drivers suck real ass. Non oc'd never over 50c and it just reboots all the time due to driver failure, seems like this is the only card/model to do it :(
Yeah, my 7950s did 1200 MHZ on air using an Arctic Accelero...the thing was way to heavy though. I got a water cooling loop now, so it will be fun/intersesting to see how far I can push my new AMD cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
Can't blame AMD for that. Their reference models work great and are very well built.Quote:
Originally Posted by Olivon
Honestly it seems like every time that I see complaints like this its from some non-reference XFX card. You should always do your research before buying any non-reference model
Sounds like a hardware issue to me. I've even had unstable overclocks cause vga driver issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
maybe cat 13.9 whql will help ;)
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=381555
Well they will be announcing when the release date is.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
Around 5.5b transistors :D
a monster :D
if its a Ghz Edition I have had the same issue, I had mine RMA'd and had no issues since thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004
I'm getting 4 of the new cards as soon as they make one with 6 mini displayports :-/
Source? Or just a guess on your part?Quote:
Originally Posted by madcho