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Classic Shell works with RP. You can add and customize Start menu, add and customize Start button, use the Windows key for the Start button..
I have the Start menu in the upper left corner (since I have the taskbar in the top), and the Lego screen in the lower left.
Yeah, 3rd party software shouldn't be necessary, but that's the way it is..
Oh and I hate that I have to use my Windows Live Account for everything.
I made my Hotmail account back in 2003 and its had almost a decade worth of spam in it >____<
-PB
Omfg!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mats
Best link ever!
-PB
You can create a local account like before. MA is only needed for Store access. Also if you have a decade worth of spam why not just delete all?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
they say NVIDIA is about to release drivers for W8 this week ?
maybe that was my lockups
anyone runing W8x64 RP and game a lot ?
Yeah i have also lockups with nVidia cards every 10mins-4hours, completly random.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Me = Lazy :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
Anyone know if Picture Login works with Domains?
Haven't had a chance to muck around with that feature yet.
-PB
Windows 8 have a start menu, is called Metro UI. Don't believe me; Metro UI, right click, show all apps, ,if you still think windows 8 don't have a start menu, maybe computers are not for you.
Funny thing is you don't even need shortcuts, metro allows you to type on it… you login into windows, you got metro in front of you, just type dos and boom, dosbox one click away, you type panel, boom control panel one click away, you type word, and Microsoft word is one click away, etc…
Third party start menus? Facepalm.
I installed window 8 dual boot with Windows 7 in a Asus K53U that was so cheap i had to buy it , and now the dual boot is gone, win7 partition deleted.
Win 8 is snappier, all drivers were installed with success, all apps either, even the not so mainstream ones like cloudfogger for example, everything is more accessible, ribbon in the explorer is a plus, being able to disable startup items in task manager another, Remote desktop is a little faster, dual monitors… well it’s cool having metro in one monitor and the desktop on another, but you then need to use the bar on the bottom in metro to pan left or right, i could go on.
Metro apps are interesting, if you don't want to be bothered with a array of options, or you don't need the extra features. Even that crap called IE look nice as a metro app.
The moment Microsoft releases the final stable version, it’s going to the main PC’s. That’s the only bad thing i have to report, it crashed on me for no apparent reason 4,5 times already, well, one i was installing comodo, but for example another one i was just using word.
I don't see why windows 8 would be a problem for servers either.
I know most people don't like changes, but come on.
And third party start menus? :shakes:
well sad but glad to know aint my system only whag drivers u used me the latestQuote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
yes thats the sad part it crashes and very very lit drivers seems no company is paying att to itQuote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
I'm still to busy to install this ver of win8, been playing with gasification and bio-char... (success :D).
Anyways...
I had no crashes myself, just a few small bugs, for the most part avoidable.
The nvidia driver should be stable btw, as stable as the win7 drivers, the are essentially the same anyways except for the later rev's that are win8 specific for now, supporting wddm v1.2.
You don't HAVE to use a wddm v1.2 driver in win8 if you have a fav win7 driver for example...
Last time I knew, the metro ui looked ok'ish, but the metro apps themselves looked like, um well, 3 color gui's, apple lisa?
...
Thinking about burning a bunch of win8 disks and throwing them at people or something for fun...
could u solve the lockups mate ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
I chucked a 8500GT on mine and it does also do funny stuff, BSOD, could be a driver related issue.
yes seems so no new release they promised 302. But nothing stillQuote:
Originally Posted by kuroikenshi
If metro where optional Id be okay with that but as it stands i feel there is to much of a disconnect between it and the traditional desktop. It just doesnt feel natural on a non touch screen device. I have no doubts it will be great on a tablet but last time i checked most windows users didnt invest in a computer to use a tablet interface... The underlying improvements of 8 are nice but as it stands im giving metro a thumbs down.
I am using this for a few day's and well Metro its ugly...
I am have found out that I try to avoid using it... Using shortcuts, pin stuf on the taskbar and such.
There are good things about this OS. Like the renewed copy, taskmanager. But metro is being forced up our throat and this is something I do not like...
It feels like this should not be used on a Laptop, Desktop, Ultrabook... You can use it on a phone, tablet...
But this is going to be a pain when normal users are going to get this on their brand new laptop, pc.... And I don't even want to test this out on a Domain network...
i agree that metro is weird and sort of no need for a desktop OS but UI IQ is better and faster than W7 i tried for days and on my Crossover 27 2560x1440 i can really see the dif, its a pity that lockups drove me nuts
cheers !
Sergio
optional would be amazingQuote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed
Ill wait for new driver, most likely drivers suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
did you try the first release 296 something they where for W8 right ?Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
I tried latest 296 and 301, bowth give lockups and 296's were for W8 and 301 were for W7 but work pretty good on W8, only this damn lockup problem makes me stay away of W8.
I read from other forums that it could be Network Bug triggered by Chrome and some other programs, they say that lockups no more appeared when they used some other browser than Chrome.
its possible but IE10 is crap for BF3 web updates...im trying 302.71 for W7 and W8 will report backQuote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
you can find them here with inf included
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/top...oshiba-mobile/
they work as a charm for my games on W7 lets see on W8
btw--new version of PhysX
cheers
Sergio
Just wait until you try something even better called windows 7, you can just click an icon without having to type it in first!Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
And not only that windows 7 is faster, and much more stable!
Although if you are one of those that doesnt like change (even if more efficienct) you can go to windows 7 start menu and type the program and boom, there it is. So windows 7 still gives you that choice if you feel you need to waste time typing!
And if you dont like that clunky huge start menu with 2 inch by 2 inch icons in that older windows 8 metro that was designed for tablets, when you upgrade to windows 7 all those clunky large buttons for touch screen are condensed into one button on left, ie much cleaner interface on 7, it is an OS actually designed for a desktop. And all those windows live sign in requirements, microsoft advertisement apps, are gone on 7.
And best of all, no random crashes.
Once you try windows 7, you wont want to go back to 8.
Only confusing thing is why microsoft is numbering their OS's counting backwards but eh.
You can hold out on Windows 7 for the next 10 years or until they kill off updates, or you can learn how to customize and make the interface more intuitive for your purposes. The one nice thing is that Microsoft appears to be making the interface relatively maleable in that sense. I understand not liking the defaults on something like this, but it's going to become the norm pretty quick. It's different, foreign, yet not unusable. Given time, you might actually find it faster.
All these work arounds to get the Start button back or to disable Metro will be killed by MS in the final version of Win8 it seems.
Seems they rly want to force Metro on us.
I myself do not like Metro and i dont understand why they want to force it on us so much. I can see that it probably works grt on a touch device but why force it on us on desktop devices?
Just make it optional.
I really have hard time understanding why MS has insisted that you must use metro in Windows 8.... why not make it a selectable option to use metro or the classic start menu style.... that way everyone is happy and tablets and such get the nice touch screen interface. It can't be that hard to do. If you take out metro and bring the classic start menu back i think Windows 8 would be a nice little upgrade... it's no slower than Win 7 and the new task manager and menu styles in the classic explorer menus are pretty good.
nometro i prefeer it over W7 all is more snappyQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
And you can't do that in Window 8 start screen?Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Which is to be expected comparing a finished OS with one that isn't. or?Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
What is the net difference in amount of key-strokes to get an app started in win 7/8? Disregarding the possibility of putting shortcuts on the desktop of course....Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
now you guys beetch moan complain about vista v3 ?!? when the damn thing finally is getting gooder/smarter.. unbelievable :shakes:
squeeze your buttocks and swallow it !!!
good to see you like it Sergio.. unfortunately the issue for you is the 600 series driversQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
ive been on dev preview since its release in september and the only drivers available for it were w7 drivers until march.. after consumer preview was released nvidia released w8 drivers for the 500 series
never had the stability issues you guys are having.. im surprised nvidia hasnt released w8 drivers for the 600 series at least beta
as for games.. some dont work.. crysis2 works @ dx9 ;)
enjoying max payne 3 on w8 release preview works flawlessly
dev was good but release is better and final will be even better just hang there guys for the new drivers
heyyy buddd so long we dont talk, yeah i love the speed of W8 unfortunately MS promised drivers for this week 302. branch but they delayed, yes i read that CRYSIS2 works on DX9 but i couldnt make MP3 it gives me a weird error and i installed it SAME way on W7x64 and works perfect...its kinda hard for me that now i got a 2560x1440 LCD IPS to go back to W7 as W8 has much better IQ on interfaceQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
cheers mate and glad to see you here
Best
Sergio
glad to see you too mate.. took time out to take care of family/personal mattersQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
just hang in there for the w8 600 series drivers budd
no max payne 3 problems whasoever here on w8 release + 3x gtx580 + w8 drivers (296.17) + x58a platform (ud9)
120-180fps forced vsync
https://picasaweb.google.com/1100060...Ibv_svX_b-plQE
then is the same problem with the GTX680's i tried all drivers except those u are using im just waiting for this new releaseQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
cheers !
Sergio
indeedQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
added this pic to the album ^
cheers!
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-N...z58/s800/0.png
those drivers dont have adaptative VSYNC right ? dont u have screen tearing playing at high FPS what LCD u are on ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
*BTW try this are new and for W8x64 302.71 ;)
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/top...oshiba-mobile/
all modded inf and new physX im runing them as a charm on W7x64
saludos !
Sergio
exactly not that im aware of.. no screen tearing.. smooth and fluidQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
laservue: http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/tv/L75-A94
oh so the inf includes gtx580.. alright will give it a try :up:
salut!
foo shoo thats why i passed the link to ya enjoy and report back how they feel in W8x64 ok ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
cheers
Sergio
installer/graphics driver keeps failing to install.. tried thru device manager.. even after restart no go :(Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
edit: tried the following and still no go
Quote:
Disable Driver Signature Enforcement in Windows 8 CP/RP
You can permanently enable Test Mode () by opening an Elevated Command Prompt and typing the following commands, then rebooting:
bcdedit -set loadoptions DISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS
bcdedit -set TESTSIGNING ON
I waste less time opening device manager by typing in win8 start screen comparing with opening it through the glorious win7 start menu... Tip, sarcasm isn't for everyone, it can make you look like a idiot, like in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
"bu-bu-bu-but i can pin it on the win7 start menu, and then it's more accessible"or" I can put a shortcut on the desktop!!"
Yeah... you can do the same with win8. :shakes:
And condensing everything into one button being something good :shakes: I lack words to categorize such nonsense.
Newsflash Microsoft isn't forcing anyone to use win8 and win7 isn't going nowhere.
So you got my point. I was simply replying in same tone/manner as your post, since the gui 7vs8 is just personal preference. Some catch on fast...others...Quote:
Originally Posted by Piledriver
And actually I plan to get windows 8 when it comes out, on a tablet pc for which metro was designed.
damn yes i tried the same enforcing driver signature OFF and no go :(Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
anyone got a working inf ?Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
I agree 100% Windows 8 as it stands is NOT for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] hipno650
IMHO Windows 8 is specifically targeted at those all in one touch screen PC's and tablets. The UI looks a lot like the Nokia Lumina phones and it is so tablet orientated it feels alien to use on a desktop with a mouse and keyboard.
Unless Microsoft do add the option to switch to a Windows 7 style theme within the control panel then I shall be sticking with Windows 7 for the foreseeable future.
John
Not shure why but i begin to like from Windows 8 GUI with Start8 mod, can only test in VMWare since Win8 keaps crashing if i install to harddrive since there is no new drivers aviable for Win8.
Win8 is eather equally fast or faster than Win7, much more snappy and gives better results in some applications.
Ill check what i can do with INF of 302.71 drivers.
Has anyone installed RocketDock on W8 yet? I'd be curious to see if it works on it. I mostly use it comapared to the taskbar as I like my taskbar empty.
Praise the lord, the useless Start menu is gone!
Native touch is light years ahead of W7.
Loving this on my XT2.
-PB
agree i couldnt install them as they're not certified even bypassing the certification gives me error :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
yes mate its that but aint the inf its the certification same happens with 302.59 if you install ANY certified would go perfect but non certified gives error :/Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Such a shame, I do not think I'll be upgrading to Win8. Unless there is a way to disable metro styling or until the community comes out with a way to change the interface I'll be sticking to Win7. Win8 interface as others have said and from what I've used with it is a touch type interface... not ideal for mouse usage IMO. Sad too because some of the newer features on the OS is nice and I really like that portion, but if the UI causes headaches, why bother?
I also think the Start button's death is long overdue, it is a tweaked relic from Windows 95. The idea of accessing everything through one menu is archaic, imagine if you applications had a single menu button from which you can choose File, Edit, View, Options, Help, etc. Why have that extra click?
^ The logical extreme there being a single desktop that has every icon from everything on it. That would be equally silly. Some degree of categorization is useful. Many like the concept of a start menu as a place to start certain classes of tasks with the option to also access frequently used stuff without extra clicks by using shortcuts, myself included.
Yup! I use rocketdock for things I use daily, the rest are usually there right after clicking the start button.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
I'm still struggling to understand why people have a problem with the start screen, or whatever it's called, the one with Metro.
To me it just seems like a bigger start menu with apps added. So if one wants to use Metro apps it's great. If one doesn't one doesn't have to. It's just that easy. And to launch a desktop app one just launch it from the new start page rather than from the start menu. I just don't see the big difference.....
It's so archaic that Firefox changed its traditional File+Edit+etc. for a single menu. Go figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101
Oh, and you can go back to the usual buttons easily. No damage done and everyone is happy.
Rumor is that in the final version you wont be able to go back to the usual buttons.Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
This goal suggested that Microsoft would let businesses configure Windows 8 in such a way that users could boot directly to the desktop and skip the Metro-style Start Screen. But the software giant has had a change of heart, and my sources at Microsoft tell me it’s been busy ripping out legacy code for the old Start button and Start Menu so that developers won’t be able to write utilities that bring those features back. And boot to the desktop? Forget about it.
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...medium=twitter
Hahah omfg, just finally put on my picture password, love this feature so much ahah.
-PB
Damn it takes long to navigate into shutdown, reset etc. menu, first need get from desktop to metro and then from there to sidemenu that you need wait 2-3 seconds to open once you put mouse to right corner.
Microsoft failed yet again. Ofc people can use Control+Alt+Delete but some peoples dont even know that key combo.
If microsoft removes startmenu functionality completly from windows 8, i will completly remake startmenu again with c++ to appear just like it used to be before.
finally i got classic shell
Alt F4 works, and you can do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
Too bad there isn't a power button on Start out of the box tho.
new drivers certified and still it lockups...damn
You can go straight to that side menu via mouse or touch on the right hand side.Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
Side Menu -> Settings -> Shut Down.
One click more then traditional shutting down. You can also press Windows + I to get that side menu and then its straight to Shut Down from there.
-PB
damn with this OS i like it but it does bad things
for ex corrupted 2 times my RAID0 of HDD seems to write some stuff on it that when i change to W7 starts checking HDD
and second time it corrupted my SSD install RAID0 of W7 uFFFFFF !!!
lockups still exists its not nvidia drivers as theyre certified now, aint chrome i just used IE so i dont know what on earth causes the lockups
yes mate its not the nvidia drivers and its not the os.. raid0 here and never had a corruption (areca+intel)Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
if its not a platform issue i would increase all the system voltages one by one.. vcpu vram vgpu etc
so u dont have locks now ? Cauz ive seen more than 10 ppl with my same problem on nvidia forumsQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
cheers
Sergio
Just because the drivers are certified does not mean they can't cause lockups. How many bad drivers have been made that were WHQL but still had some serious issues?
they must have the same platformQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
i dont have any lockups/bsods/crashes/instant reboots none of it and never had
on 302.80 now and im playing mp3 acr bf3 no issues
weird Nap i have that instant maybe is audio drivers dunno but im not testing anymore too much trouble i will wait till a stable version i dont reacall any beta of 7 doing this lockups...
yes i agree but i dont know sparky what causes the lockups and less what causes raid0 corrupt for me saves in a dif NTFS format cauz when i put the raid back on the WIN7 it scan like when you turn off bad a eSATA driver or a pendrive---Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky
No single glitch here since February... Radeon, thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
I think its about the Intel NIC, SoundCard, SandyBridge CPU or nVidia Card.
My two other test machines does not have any lockups, they use i7 875k or phenom 2 1100t, Realtek Nic, Realtek Onboard Sound, AMD Radeon HD7970 or HD6950 and Corsair Force GT 120 SSD
Id like to hear what NIC, Sound, CPU and GPU combo everyone uses and report if they have lockups, just because some people say its GPU problem and some say its Windows 8 ethernet drivers or then like andressergio said it could be audio drivers also.
Edit :
Found some more possible causes, they think its C-State problem affecting only Intel CPU's and certain chipsets .
http://www.eightforums.com/crashes-d...ze-post-4.html
Quote:
Originally Posted by andressergio
Quote:
Originally Posted by SEA
sergio try that above ^Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
are you using the onboard audio or addin ?
no glitch here since september/dev.. x58a/gtx580
Miss the funny little Windows+TAB slider though.
Musn't of got used enough to warrant its place in W8?
-PB
I thought it was ALT+TAB? I use it daily in Win 7Quote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
thanks napalm no im using YES onboard NIC but audio interface fiirewire PCIe to external cardQuote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
Nah try Windows+TAB on W7 :)
-PB
The windows shuffle is actually kinda nifty. I don't use it as much as I thought I would, but I do think it's a cool featureQuote:
Originally Posted by paulbagz
Can someone confirm that disabling C-States hangs disappeared? For me all hangs disappeared but i also did alot of other stuff so im not shure if C-States fixed it.
i dont use C states and the beotch locked 3 times and destroyed my HDD RAID0---Quote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
not even W7 BETA locked or BSOD this seems really odd
Crap. Something is really wrong with Windows 8 RP then or some of the drivers are crappy and unstable.
Is it going to be possible to disable Metro come the actual release? If not, i refuse to upgrade. I can't bear the metro interface, it looks crap.
I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Atm in the RP people are using tools to get the Start button back but it is already known that MS wil remove the code for it completely.
They really seem to want us to use Win8 as is.
Well then, MS isn't going to see another penny from me. Screw that. I'll stick with Windows 7 for as long as i can.
On Technet:
Attachment 127690
agree 300% percentQuote:
Originally Posted by rintamarotta
Don't think Microsoft saw many pennies from people in regards to Win7 :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
-PB
Same here, I won't bother with 8 then. Everything I've seen or heard of it is rubbish so far. The driver issues..ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
NVidia will fix their driver eventually... OTOH you can use AMD video card - good drivers :DQuote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
I'm on the Win8 since end of February, so I wonder what kind of rubbish is there? I;m aware only on positive moments... As of metro - I'm not visiting it at all unless I need it... :D
This was the best OS microsoft ever did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Generic user #2
It was lean and mean. They started adding useless junk with XP.
That's a relative opinion which is always argued to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by SEA
I've owned both brands and had driver issues with both.
Its due you have AMD Machine (AMD CPU and ATI GPU), AMD drivers actually workQuote:
Originally Posted by SEA
Majority of the problems are related to Intel and nVidia drivers.
EDIT :
Its now confirmed that its Intel SandyBridge, SandyBridge-E and IvyBridge problem, intel released new microcode that fixed bug in microcode that caused problems with some of intel cpu's and Windows 8 RP.
It did not completly fix the problem but mostly did.
Asus released bios update 13th of June for MIVE-Z that might include this new Microcode but didnt do so for MIVE :/
Guys who else has lockups even whit latest drivers and when you have raid0 and you go back to win7 it starts scanning the HDD and leads to corruption at last ???
this is it. windows 2000 was the pinnacle of windowsQuote:
Originally Posted by gumballguy
guys i posted this poll
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...do-u-have-them
i know i was mistaken on the section and already asked admin to move it but please vot
i know lots of you has locks and crashes
cheers
Sergio
Seeing as you are not capable from distinguishing the difference between a Start Screen and a UI design i will just have to block you. Seems like i just cant bear your pointless opinion. It makes XS a little less.... XSQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
What are you going on about ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Syn.
...
I still haven't had the chance to install this yet.
I see several of you guys are saying it's fast, but to be honest, I don't believe that, I'll have to install it myself I guess.
All I care is if it's on par with win7's speed/latency and bandwith.
I'm in need of it though, this start killer prog in win7 keeps crashing explorer since sp1 came out, in win8 I don't need it since it no longer has a start button that I need to get rid of.
Also need the usb stack updated from win7 sp1...
Edit;
Oh I just remembered, I never checked to see if the photoviewer vga-mem-corruption? bug was still happening.
Ill run some benchmarks vs windows 7 in my i7 2600k test rig, will report here in few hours.
Just curious, did W7 beta or RC have high latency as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by NEOAethyr
Ok here is Zip file that includes PNG files of Win7 and Win8RP runs with PassMark and Cinebench, Aida64 and many other applications crashed Win8 installation so no results from them.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/47727912/Win...Benchmarks.zip
System used in benchmarks :
- Intel i7 2600k @ 4.9Ghz
- 16Gb DDR3-2133 CL11
- Corsair Force GT 120Gb SSD (Win8)
- Kingston HyperX 120Gb SSD (Win7)
- GTX570 @ 800Mhz-GPU / 2000Mhz-Mem
Still my favourite but too dated to use these days. I think it's excluded as it was an NT based OS which ran side-by-side to a 9x based home user OS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Generic user #2
On the other hand, how great was W2000 RTM out of the box? Or XP? IIRC, both needed some SP's to get mature.
No desktop version of Windows comes close to W7 in that regard (not that it's perfect tho). SP1 was almost underwhelming because everyone was used to get a better OS from SP's, but that only tells us how great it was from the start.