Btw there is no advantage of removing the heatsink cause Gskill has messed up the marking on ICs.Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
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Btw there is no advantage of removing the heatsink cause Gskill has messed up the marking on ICs.Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
is there somewhere an index for these codes..? for example 340 what ICs are? Samsung (likely)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
Don't think thats valid anymore based on a PM I got from someone who bought a set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
What am I looking for specifically?Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
You might need a small flashlight to spot these "dots"Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger
Samsung 30nm
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/529/ss30nm.jpg
Hynix CFR
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9754/cfrf.jpg
That would be a shame if the numbering system was discontinued, or modified in such a way as to invalidate what we currently know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger
Just what did your PM say...that modules weren't responding as anticipated based on the numbering sequence, or were actual spreaders pulled & ICs confirmed to not be what was expected?
How would you be able to identify Hynix BFR from CFR?Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
Heatspreaders were removed and IC's were not what the numbers indicated they would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
Thank you. That's not good. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunslinger
Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
Same markings are on my RipjawX :D ***340***Quote:
Originally Posted by papatsonis
BFR has 4 soldering pins on each side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
You mean as opposed to 6? Does it still have the four "dots" like the CFR?Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
That's right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I will check for dots when I get home this evening.
Thanks for the confirmation on the solder points and appreciate you looking into the "dots" question.
This is what I see on both sets of my BFR's, only two dots. And yes, I checked all four modules with a bright light, only the same two dots visible on all IC's :)
4 solder points on each side of the middle "dip" in the IC
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1940/bfr.png
Thank you for the info on the BFR chips...plus your post clarified what I misinterpreted earlier and that was that the 4 solder points were on each side (for a total of 8 viewable from the end for BFR and 6 for CFR, with 2 and 4 dots, respectively).
Of course now that I go back and read the post by theix again it clearly states on each side.
Here's an ass scratcher for you guys. :confused: WTF are these?
Answer is already there. All it takes is just a little peek under the heatspreader. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Samsung 30nm
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/529/ss30nm.jpg
Hynix CFR
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/9754/cfrf.jpg
I bet it's Hynix CFR.
Yea,same serial I also posted here a week ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5097752
I have ntotal waste of time just like this kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by theix
I think its shady of Gskil to make us spend 200 bux on a kit and expect samsung and then get some high binned subpar ic. its all going back.
heres to you! all the time I wasted with this kit and the stupid video. Probably nothing compared to the time spent binning this horse crap ic. Im not blaming Gskill. but cmon 4 differnent ics for a product this early? its kida cheap of them. hand out samsung kits to all the reviewers and then give the guys that spent their hard earned cash on some totally different horse crap. yeah they do 2666 xmp profile but that is about it for me.
I can see swapping ics 4 months down the line but this was just released. this kit weeks away from the review samples and its totally different crap in the retail channels. There's one thing ive learned and im using my pi psc 1st run kit as an example. when crazy ram comes out. you better get your ass to the store and buy it asap/ after that its a total dice throw. i just didnt think it would happen this fast.
http://youtu.be/DgIdF-BofJc
H9C ......it's hynixQuote:
I have ntotal waste of time just like this kit.
I think its shady of Gskil to make us spend 200 bux on a kit and expect samsung and then get some high binned subpar ic. its all going back.
are they good? Cause so far they are not/Quote:
Originally Posted by plane501
can't run 2800 11 13 13 35 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I think they use the best ICs on their 2800 kit:D
That's just exactly what I had in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
I ordered 2600C10 kit which should arrive at me early next week. It's the best chance for Samsung, hopefully.
btw, can you do 2600/10-12-12?
So conclusion is
H9C = Hynix => sucks cant go 2800
HCH9 = Samsung => rocks! 2800 is easy
Better grab the Samsung ICed Team Xtreem 2600C10 or 2400C9 than this TrolldentX
Actually I think your kit is built with Samsung ICs as well. It's single sided, isn't it? The 2Gb Samsung ICs seem to perform really great, but the 4Gb stuff doesn't. However, 1333MHz isn't so bad honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Why do you say it's Hynix? Both "BFR" and "CFR" ( H5TQ2G83BFR and H5TQ2G83CFR ) are 2Gb ICs, what kind of magic trick is G.Skill using to build 4GB-modules with 8 chips? Of course it could be some other type of Hynix chip, but definitely not those.Quote:
Originally Posted by plane501
Before peeps put a verdict on this poor kits think about the cpu. Not all has imc that can do 2800+ air stable
I tried a few chips with TridentX 2800 and some can't even boot straight with xmp @ 2800 11-13-13-35 2T @ 1.65V..
+1...not all IMCs are created equal. I consider myself lucky b/c it will take my 2666 kit to 2800 with NO change other than memory divider, but at the same time my IMC won't make it to 3000. I can only speak to my particular kit, but it is very strong. Not as strong as my 2400 / 9-11-9-24 PSC kit from long ago which I'll never let go, but it's among the strongest you can get with the current generation of ICs.
Heh, this kit won't even POST at the PSC kit's rated speed/timings. Tight latencies it does not like. The current generation is all about MHz.
Samsung is HCH9，H9C must be Hynix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
Why do you think it's single sided ???:confused:
HCH and H9C are just denoting mounting info and speedbin, those digits are a very bad way to differentiate between different ICs.Quote:
Originally Posted by plane501
I think they are single sided because all the 2400 kits with AB40 I've heard about so far were all single sided, and it's very convenient for G.Skill if they can use the same PCB and chips for the 4GB and 8GB sticks.
Well, I'll just put my money on Samsung K4B4G0846B ICs.
My retail 3570K went blue screen when boot up @ 2666:(
It's imc retarded and tops @ 2600, so this ram won't run XMP settings with this chip
I need to try again later. I had to take a day off from this. poor kit. I feel sorry for yelling at it. That was in the heat of passion. I'll try again.
so far though 10-12-12 1t 2666 was a no go even at 1.83vdimm
Keep tRCD at 13. It really doesn't like that tightened. 10-13-12-28-1T worked for me at 2666 & 1.725vDIMM, SP32M "stable".
Totally giving away the review (hoping to publish next week, please read it even though you already know the results ;) )...but what the heck.
http://www.overclockers.com/wp-conte...5vdimm-cwm.jpg
Hokie Dokie. you are right. All I needed was 24hrs to take a break and call Dumo. I take back all I said about the kit.
1st we tested to see if my imc could handle 2800. then we tightened down @ 2600.
4.8ghz for both. now its just a matter of tuning. I'm pretty happy with 2600 and a latency boundary of 2. 1.85v
can you kit/imc handle 2800 match me in the 1st pic?
Yep, but it seems like my kit is a little stronger than yours if yours took 1.85v to get there. From rated speed/timings, I changed nothing except the RAM multiplier. Stock timings 11-13-13-35, 1T command rate & 1.65vDIMM.
http://www.overclockers.com/wp-conte...-stable_1T.jpg
I just went straight to 1.85. Maybe they will do the same at lower volts. i didnt try.. im very impatient. I'm doing 32m at 5ghz at the timings in the 2nd screen. brb
That is TridentX 1.85V mem. preset setting in M5G bios. My TridentX 2800 can do it with 1.79V @2666.Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Your cpu and ram are good TA:up:
so what next? fyi there is no waza or tweaking going on here fyi. based on this screen what should I try next? my goal was 6.3 spi 32m now what? if you look at my memtweak screen. what is the next thing I can adjust without bsod? or should I go back to 2800 and start over? Its 12:35 and I have 1 beer left. I managed to make Fester a video and install arma II Day Z mod tonight and hit my goal of 6.3 32m with this kit. I think its time to call it a night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Try it like this one?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by trans am
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post5101000
.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
no good. the 108 bclk is not happening. I'll try tomorrow. good night.
Review published today, hope you like it. :)
http://www.overclockers.com/wp-conte...13-640x565.jpg
... Return to article to continue reading.Quote:
You've seen this strong RAM from G.Skill in use before, in our reviews of Intel's i7 3770K and ASUS' Maximus V GENE. Now we'll look at the sticks themselves and find out just what they're capable of.
My kit sucks, seems GSkills binning EXTREMELY tight. On a positive note, they will work well to shim the leg of my wobbly desk.
Your 2666 kit sucks? How far can it get? Not that many people have them readily available, but are you able to check your CPU and make sure it's not an IMC limitation?
Nice review hokie, must've missed it when you posted it back in May! :)
Too bad you ran out of juice so close to 1500MHz, but I'm sure you'll try again soon! :up:
I got them today, spent a couple hours with them. They do run XMP profile jut fine, but they dont clock very well. I have a 4x4gb kit of 2133 RipjawsZ that clock much better, and cost much less, actually my 49.00 samsung kit even clocks with tighter timings. Its not the CPU, its good up to 2858mhz.
Im not looking for absolute maximum OC, but more for tight timings. They are having trouble with 2600 10-12-12, which should be easy for a decent kit. My TeamXtreem kit does 2666 9-12-12, and the ripjawsz do 2666 10-12-11.
Tommy, I laughed out loud about your wobbly table shim comment. I feel the same way about my kit. I know its not your mem controller. there is just no room in these kits. call me if you are around.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
Hokie needs to hang on to his kit. Seems to be one of the best.
^ Maybe they sent him a nice binned kit to review.
Id just like to say once more before I go to bed, that my kit sucks. Couple more hours of trying, and no improvement.
That was the implied meaning in my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
memoryc also start selling this kit
http://www.memoryc.com/computermemor...dard=PC3+21300
You need to leave tRCD alone. These kits really don't like it tightened. You'll have more room if you leave it at 13.Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I can't speak to whether they send anything binned. They certainly don't tell me if they do, and I'd hope they wouldn't so we get a true feel of retail product. I generally assume that's what happens unless there is some reason to believe otherwise - and I haven't found such a reason with, well, with anyone that sends hardware for review. I've had good stuff from people and definitely bad stuff too (i.e. my 3960X ES from Intel hits a brick wall at only 5.1GHz).Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
Anyway, the kit isn't here to keep any longer. IMOG was in need of some good RAM for Ivy benching. Since he has a 180L dewar at his house and freezes his hardware more than I have time to, the kit would do him much more good than it would do me; so I sent them to him to use.
I probably just had bad luck with my kit. A few others seem to as well.
Wasnt trying to take anything away from your thread, nice review! Was just a little disappointing they didnt clock better than some of the less expensive memory I have.
Dang it...I was still holding on to the hope that these sticks of yours would end up in the Classifieds and I'd at least have a shot at them.Quote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
You didn't take anything away at all. Sharing experience isn't ever taking anything away. Sorry your kit didn't clock as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by OC Nub
Well, if you can convince him to let them go, more power to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I still have a 2400 Pi set that I'm never letting go (until DDR4 is all we use), so don't weep for me Argentina, I'm all set for strong benching RAM. :p:
I'm just glad I live within 2.5 hours of IMOG :)
hokie,Quote:
Well, if you can convince him to let them go, more power to you.
I was talking about having a shot at them if you had put them up for sale, not IMOG. :)
BTW, is your 2400 kit PSC based?
All Pi kits are im pretty sure. that 2400 kit is amazing.
after the disappointing clocking 2400 8gb tridents, i was hoping that these 2666 kits would be good for 2800+ (i know my IMC is) but now im not so sure. :(
,Sorry, I missed this. AFAIK, yes they are PSC chips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
I have 1219AB40....on 8Gb F3-2400C10D-8GZH and was wondering what are theyQuote:
Originally Posted by trans am
Attachment 127908
samsung chips, are they single or double sided?
will this memory kit work with the rampage iv extreme board?
Work? Yes. Work at DDR3-2666? probably not. There are likely very few SNB-E CPUs with an IMC capable of running that kind of speed.
Samsung for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by XBrytanX
looks like itQuote:
Originally Posted by plane501
Attachment 127918
super noob question i know, when you guys take off the heatspreaders, how are you putting them back on? thermal glue?
or are the sticks dead and you dont care?
you can reheat and if you are lucky they will stick. if not then usually just leave them off. That is what i do.
those ripjaw-z are single sided?
I got 3 sets of RiZ 2400C9 4X4GB and all are Hynix double sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
The heatspreader will eventually opened by itself over time of push pull.
i wanted to open a set of hyperx here to check if they were bbse.
didnt even need to open them with my heatgun, they just snapped apart.
i guess here in melbourne, its probably cold enough that the glue got brittle too haha
/offtopic
yes they areQuote:
Originally Posted by sin0822
Test air @2700 with 1.65V. So far so good.
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2...enshot130f.jpg
Cpu cold, ram on air @ 2900
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/609...enshot131r.jpg
Curses I can't see those images right now. Looks pretty great so far. What voltage did you use for 2900? How are timings?
It was few first runs with 1.8V 2T air boot up @ 2933. After playing with M5F settings I can easily run 2800 1.65V with 11-13 1T which almost as smooth as 2800 C11 kit
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/6...nshot140pg.jpg
Nice!
nice mate but u gamed or live it 24/7 as SPI32 aint sign of stability or maybe memtest ?Quote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
i have 2 sets of other mem and can also shoot even HYPERPI 32 at 2800 but not stable to game
would be nice if someone can post a 200% memtest 4 instances windows of 1500 each
like this
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/4...donmarkocn.jpg
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I did use it gaming for a little while at that speed without issue and ran all of the benchmarks from our review. I do agree a SP32M run isn't enough to call it stable for sure, but it's a good starting point. If it finishes SP32M, it's either stable or just a voltage bump / small timing tweak away from being perfectly stable. :)
Unfortunately these sticks are with a friend right now. I'll try to remember to run that for you whenever they get back. Not sure when that will be though.
yes i know mate its just a saying as each overclocker finds his own methods for testing stability, in my case i like benching but i like game heavy games, and lots of times i passed prime or linx or whatever and games fails, due to various reasons, so i found some ways of saving me the path to lot of crashes and one of them is memtestQuote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
cheers !
Sergio
Awesome imc there! What voltage for 1450?
Dram = 1.82Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
Vccsa = 1.25
Vccio = 1.15
Thank.
Can you retest with max mem selected plz. Seems similar to my kit 2800c11-14-14 but no C11-13-13 possible...Quote:
Originally Posted by ihog6hog
Hi guys,
here are my test of the TridentX2600C10 (Samsung chips)/2666C11 (hynix CFR/bfr)
http://www.abload.de/thumb/tridentx_..._146669rfx.jpg
http://www.abload.de/thumb/tridentx_..._1400sorv5.jpg
grats Zeus !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ihog6hog
very nice natu !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by natu
Came into a pair of 2600C10s, double sided, seem to be samsung. Hell of a lot better then the single sided 2400s I tried.
http://i.minus.com/i2jGIb0lIO5SB.png
Didn't require any crazy volts either, seemed to be the end of the IMC.
Very nice kit deux!
yeh very nice.
got my samsung 2600's, but now im imc limited at 2900
Nice IMC +1 + Samsung IC +1Quote:
Originally Posted by Deux
I will get the 2666C11 kit this coming Monday after no chance to get the 2800C11 kit.
New Bios MVG Can Set CL12
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2450003.png
http://www.uppic.org/image-0A88_500EDECD.jpg
Done some 32m on the TridentX 2666C11 kit
The G.Skill TridentX 2666C11 2x4 kit
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...4/c2ce46cc.jpg
2600 10-12-11-25-1T @ 1.65v
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...2-11-25-1T.jpg
2666 11-13-13-25-1T @ 1.65v
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...1-13-13-25.jpg
2666 10-12-12-25-1T @ 1.78v
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...12-12-25-2.jpg
2700 10-13-12-25-1T @ 1.75v
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...0-13-12-25.jpg
Both kits need 1.7v for 2400 9-11-10 :(
TridentX 2666C11
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...4009-11-10.jpg
RipjawsZ 2400C9
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...-11-10ripz.jpg
1.7v seems to be normal for Samsung 30nm to do 1200MHz 9-11-11. I'm more impressed with the Ripjaws being able to do 9-11-10. I'm guessing yours are BFR as I don't think I've ever seen results from CFR being able to do C9 at 1200MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by owikh84
My RipZ 2400C9 is black stick BFRQuote:
Originally Posted by Shiranui Gen-An
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...1/DSC_0917.jpg
Worked @ 1.65v in quad on my X79 rig
http://i458.photobucket.com/albums/q...4/2011/32m.jpg
Dunno why it needs 1.7v on Z77 dual channel :shrug:
Worse thing is it can't stable at 2600 11-13-13, 12-14-14 with whatever timing profile :(
To those working with timings on this kit, remember tRCD is this kit's Achilles heel - it does NOT like that timing tightened.
Keeping it at 13 (or loosening it to 14 if going well over 2666) should unlock the MHz, or at least not require additional voltage ~2,400. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by hokiealumnus
Still, those are some nice sticks to even boot at 9-11-10 1200MHz. Have to be BFR, I haven't gotten a single CFR stick to even boot at those settings.
Had another go with this kit tonight.
When I use XMP profile it sets tWCL 9, which I had set manually to 8, because thats what I have been using with other kits. Looking through the screens posted, some are using tWCL8, like Dumo, and are able to pass 32m at default vdimm. I left it at tWCL9 tonight and was able to run 32m with no problems, efficiency is not so good, for benching it is useless, but for screenshot purposes it looks nice as long as you leave the secondary timings out of the screen:D
Are the secondary timings on all these 2666 TridentX kits flashed identical for XMP, or is it possible kits with different ic's are flashed according to the ic used? I think this setting is the determining factor as to weather you got a good kit, or an average one.
I thought these findings were relevant to the thread since some have gotten 4Gbit Hynix ICs on their TridentX 2666 kits: http://www.ocaholic.ch/xoops/html/mo...mid=802&page=3
The new HyperX Predator 2666 kit looks like a good alternative to the TridentX for people looking for high-binned double-sided sticks with Samsung ICs: http://www.legitreviews.com/article/2016/1/
^Very good looking kit, like the new look.
There are a lot of nice kits around, the TeamXtreem LV2400-2600 kits have been very consistent. A lot of good results posted with them.
Running 32m now with them at 2700+mhz 10-12-12-21-1T at 1.67v. On loop 11 now, will see if they pass.