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Awesome, can't wait till my BD chip gets here...
this was done quite long ago on the A0s :D
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/6ad48.jpg
you need some PSCs and ~ 1.8v/1.5+v NB, 2700+ on 7-12-7 after which you need to pour the rams down to -180C :D
6-10-6 niceeeeee
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
That ainīt nice but so damn twisted that it should be considered highly illegal! :mad:
:D
That is some sick ram...
Bios 9911 with SS as old as FX55. Lol
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/4...enshot060t.jpg
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/2...nshot058rq.jpg
Whats the PS0 (3600MHz) VID on your chip Dumo?
You can check it from CPU-Z register dump.
I think, PS0 is at C5F OK....I have C5F (of course :) ) and I have 1.248V (so 1.25V) with 8120 (3400 MHz state)
Don't think that matters stilt, In my testing at home just about every chip could valid at 6 gig even with all 8 cores on phase.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
nooooo lolQuote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
the reality is giving me a headache..lol
even if its cl7 its still good in my opinion
you and shammy and chew* and dumo are just awesome guys ..keep us amd'in
Maybe not, but generally it seems to help to determine if the chip is a leaker or a "keeper" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
From another thread
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...my-house-today....
Quote OP.
Quote second replier.Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I lost count of which is which 30 chips ago......Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
@stilt & chew*
sf3d & macci said higher vid helps, is that the other term for "leaky"? It sorta goes against the binning process from Intel lol
here's their no coldbug adventure: http://youtu.be/-YzdkkCV_Pg
so nice having no cb :D
Lower VID = Higher leakage
Higher VID = Lower leakage
Generally.
The differences I have seen are not that major, however lower leaking chips seem to do better with normal air / watercooling.
For better cooling you might want a high leaking chip.
For LN2 you will probably want something between a "leaker" and a "keeper".
It will be some comparsion thread from Chew with more chips (validation air, watter, phase)?
1.2vQuote:
Originally Posted by the stilt
Bios 9911 default..
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/855/screenshot062m.jpg
1.2375V is the lowest I have ever seen before :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
It's almost impossible to find FX8150 for sale here in US, exept a couple of Ebays
Yes, of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
A Crosshair V did show up at my house, however I paid for mine in full. I am now a stuck up kid that complains about everything, why would anyone give me hardware for free? Gary Key was going to supply me with a M5A99X and a few GPUs I believe (they were already packed in a box for shipment) but that was three months ago on ASUS 900 series line-up release day and I don't see that happening anymore.
Originally I had that ASUS AM3+ board coming, but it never made its way to me. I went ahead and bought one. A few days later FX was released, and it was much less than impressive for desktop workloads. Besides that, I now do not have money to buy a chip to put in my new AM3+ motherboard.
http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/...r_id=224368156Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
A bit overpriced, and you'd have to wait a week...
Imo, the first (FX8150) shipment @ release day all went to Newegg. Others like Micro Center, Frys have to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
BLT, Provantage and even Tiger Direct will take orders but dropship it from distributor....who knows when
In my testing the lowest vid chips fell on there face on ln2 this time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
We have seen down to 1.225 and up to 1.40
@ Beep, you posted in a thread about a board mysterioulsy appearing at your house, usually if you order a board it's not a mysterious appearance so your post here and there is rather confusing.......
While in taiwan on 13th i walked PC mall late afternoon to find a BD retail, no luck.
I have like 4 retails, will give them a spin soon preferably a day when wife isn't home.........
please change the DC mode [duel] on the north bridge and test if you can.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
i want to see any variations
I apologize for the confusion, I was merely stating that my board arrived.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
It didn't make much sense for me to make another thread.
I've had some problems with cold booting this board below -80 C. Warm resets are okay, but after hard reset I have to warm up - any ideas what that might be?
It also seems to have the same "tiring" syndrome Crosshair III had. After 2-3 hours it won't bench at the same clocks anymore, but that might be related to my insulation method and something on the board freezing too much.
This board was tuned to run flat out even on LHE and i have run it for 7 hours+ non stop on ln2 without a hickup ( it's nothing like previous boards, this you can freeze ad forget it ), check your insulation or settings pertaining to memory :)Quote:
Originally Posted by G.Foyle
Hmm, memory... got to try PSC and hand tune settings next time. Thanks for the hint.
Crappy pic but my good camera is in Austin TX.
Anyway got some time to play seeing as wife is off to work already.
Attachment 121303
Actually tossed a rig together in living room for pretesting for my second build. Plan to mirror my sandy bridge rig for the most part hardware and settings wise or at least come close.
Here's where my sandy rig sits daily, it's obviously stable ;)
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/chew%2A%2...andy%20rig.jpg
And here is where the mirror image BD Rig is sitting now.
NB @ 2600 for those that are curious.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/chew%2A%2...s/BD%20rig.jpg
i faced this once then the second time i cold boot at max pot temps it was fine, i'm guessing socket contraction/expansion thingy, if you can repeatedly repeat it then it sounds more like cold boot, if not it sounds like contactQuote:
Originally Posted by G.Foyle
some old issue, gulftown, gtx580, lot of times thermal paste gone bad.
nice Chew*, hope, u will work at some nice results. Do u have only FX 4170 now?
He is using a FX-8150 in single core mode (4CU/4C).Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Any word on the CH V vs other 990FX boards performance ? I saw a post of OC forums, but some of them results look so out of bounce that I can't give it any credibility.
thx, I dont seen it :), now yet at screen :)
The results are messed up & most likely done with different clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
SuperPI 1M calculation gives that instantly away.
yeah Wprime 32 is also way off.. no idea what he was doing... maybe he ran everyting at once :p any update on 9911 bios ? My asus rep is sloooooooooooooooooooow again...
Update?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
That bios was compiled two days ago :D
try some diferents, practice some files to rar etc...Here u will see diferences between Thuban and FX. Or megatasking, ework in pohotoshop, video creation. I think, here is the "big" diferences between PII and FX. Thuban was better for benchmarks as superpi or wprime, FX is better in practice software.
I'll hopefully have it tomorrow then... if the Dutch boys are in the office...
I have it leeghoofd, hit me up on msn, your not gonna like my findings though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Got it already mate from the Asus rep... will test tonite, will talk about your findings tonite on MSN...
0051 cpu fan error on boot up?
hitting reset button fixes it but
any ideas
set bios not to hault on errors in boot options.Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
While i was doing some game test scaling i fooled around with this chip and some interesting ram modules.
All this is suicide on air just feeling board out.
Attachment 121379
Yes the mem voltage is real, only stock voltage and loaded PSC and 4gb module settings to test board out, I hit a CPU_NB ( wall/air ) at the higher clock speed........
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Is it doing the same with 1:6 divider too?
Iīve tried with a couple of CPUs I have, they canīt do much over 2500MHz stable because of the NB.
Havenīt tried with other dividers thou, maybe it is a DRAM PLL divider related thing on K15 too.
The higher straps didn't feel like real speed to me, nor did the speed of ram even show up in cpu-z.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
When i say didn't feel real i mean it was like 6-9-6 at 2200 at stock and not even this set is that good
Same here - I'm trying to compete in max validation for this month's HWBot compo, and NB wall is stopping me hard at 2828 MHz. Every divider other than 1:6 needs NB even faster for the same mem speed. 3:14 seems a bit better for CL8 though, as long as I'm staying away from high NB MHz.
what BIOS is now the best? Still 9905?
I just saw this in another thread; BIOS 9913Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post4975640
9911 is the most recent and advanced.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Edit: Dammit :D
what is NB Speed that does not show up in CPUZ ?
Default 10x multi X 285 ref clock ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by PatRaceTin
I have a 8150/CHVF combo that should be arriving tomorrow and I'm looking to do something similar (comparison/mirror) with one of my "daily" 2600K combos. I'd be interested to see how this goes for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Here's where i'm at so far as far as one game in particular, NB was stock for this test on BD.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
Both systems are 4 core 4 thread, i find anything more than 4 pointless for gaming 90% of the time.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&d=1318888545
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&d=1318888798
Anyone know about K15 stats?
Quote:
Originally Posted by tbone8ty
Enter UEFI>Monitor>Fan Speed Control>CPU Q Fan Control = Enabled>Select Fan Type = PWM>CPU Fan Speed Low Limit = Ignored
-Raja
Bios 9913
Catalyst 11.9 kept givin' problem for crossfire setup
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/4...nshot018zd.jpg
That's on ambient, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
If I knew I could get a CPU like that I won't mind buying BD. It seems like power consumption will go through the roof at those speeds/volts though.
Considering everyone has been using 2v+ on these CPUs with LN2, I'd be inclined to think that these CPU's are more voltage tolerant than Thuban/Deneb but leak more...correct?
With my 3x120mm radiator and AP-15's I doubt I'd need to worry about a temp wall.
He's on phase...... you might be able to suicide that on 1 core ambient ..........
Yeah, I should have skimmed through last page or two first or looked at the NB speed. :p: I see that now.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
You think 5 Ghz stable is doable on water with some chips? I'm still saving up, probably will have to go with the 8120...I just can't afford the 8150.
It will require some binning for 5 gig.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
think, Daveburt has great FX...over 5100 MHz Cinebench with 1.4V looks awesome. Maybe he has gold one :)
Using DOCP and ram profile 0 which is xmp 2133 C8
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9...nshot067ll.jpg
2133 is no problem....I had 2200 8-9-7 stable. Keep pushing! Ah srry, DOPC profile...
Nice IMC you have there Dumo, what Vtt is that at?
You mean CPU/NB G? It was 1.45Quote:
Originally Posted by G.Foyle
What are you talkin bout Flanker?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
My 8150/CHVF combo came in yesterday afternoon. :up:
It seems my chip has a default/PS0 (3600MHz) VID of 1.287. Ran a first o.c test with 1.35v @ 50% LLC cooled on air with TR Archon (push/pull). I usually run a daily "crunching" o.c. with my 2600K at 4.6 GHz (HT) ~1.3v (load) but with BD's higher TDP it may be hard to keep the temps manageable at 4.6+ eight core (load) on air.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...-815044Ghz.png
DUMO: nothink, I dont seen first time you are talking about DOCP profile for RAMs...And I thought, u show only max memory clocks :-)...
Nice PR:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
You'll have a lot of fun oc'ing this one. The Coolest working on Coretemp that can read BD's tdp/power draw
Thats ok Flanker:) DOCP and C6 enabled seem to help with stability and heat load in windowsQuote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
Winrar...
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/9...nshot020pi.jpg
I read that asQuote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
"2133 is no problem, (I didn't bother too look at your screenshot)....I had 2200 8-9-7 stable. Look at me. You, however...keep pushing! Oh wait, you can't (even though you can...), DOCP profile...
I need DOCP to clock ram at all on CHV (with Thuban)...however with DOCP, 2050 6-9-6 was doable in 32M at 1.75v (6-10-6 isn't totally stable in itself...prime fails :/ )Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Hopefully FX soon enough, just to try something new. Not impressed at all by performance.
Well, probly you will have more fun with FX when you go cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeepBeep2
I just want my thread (this thread) to be free from all negative comments that peeps posted @ other BD threads. I'm sick&tired with peeps shouting at ea. other:(
Yeah, I will be limited to dice for a while and from what I've seen 8150 is the way to go cold...no money for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
LN2 price is through the roof so I will have to work with DICE again :/
The problem with BD for me is the performance:power ratio, (+ ST perf) its too inefficient. It almost seems that GloFo's 32nm is worse than their mature 45nm.
Mind if I post any Thuban results? I've got nothing else to do but run wPrime 32M, pifast, Cinebench 10 / 11.5, SuperPi 1M+32M etc.
EDIT:
(Sorry for littering with more BD 'hate' :p:)
No problem Beep
Well I've been testing my 8150 some more today and it seems that it may have one weak module/cores?
I'm not having much luck when I attempt to stress with Prime it usually/mostly fails (sum out error) in thread 7 but sometimes thread 8 will fail instead. I'm not sure if there is some voltage or setting I'm skimping on but I'll keep working it. I may have to bin another chip if they ever get some in stock at my local Micro Center. My combo so far has rarely blue screened and the few times it happend was while trying to load into windows at 5.2GHz with not enough vcore and too much vdroop. http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2056223
thanks raja
DUMO: awesome winrar! Keep push- 6000Kb/s will be done :) !
I managed to dial in a short/test of Prime blend at 4.6GHz today. My chip may require more vcore for clocks than a few others that I've seen but it may also be a little cooler running? Load temps were usually running in the mid to upper 40's C. with peaks sometimes as high as 50/51 C. Ambient at ~21 C. Cooling: TR Archon with push/pull. (Disregard the CoreTemp 225x20 4.5Ghz because I forgot to close and reopen it after using TurboV Evo to bump up the clock to 230x20 4.6Ghz)
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...15046GHz-2.png
I suggest using HWMonitor or other software which can read the "motherboard specific" CPU sensor.
The temperature read by the internal sensor is not the actual die temperature (tCTL). The value displayed by CoreTemp etc. (tCTL) is atleast 10-15c lower than the actual die temperature is. During Prime95 LargeFFT the tCTL temperature reading was 43c while my Fluke IR thermometer showed 52c measured from the side of the IHS. The motherboard CPU sensor displayed 55c which should be quite right.
Used an offset off 14°C for the testing with the FX cooling kit( CPU idles then at +/- 28°C). At 4.8 prime 95 I get close to 87°C, the heat coming out of the back of the case is huge... 4.5-4.8 will be the sweetspot for many, 5Ghz might be too much for all in one liquid solutions and air coolers. ( not talking about a pi/cinebench run )
I wished AMD got their sensors right as idling at 14°C seems a bit silly... load at 45°C, when the room heats up drastically...
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Originally Posted by The Stilt
That is kind of a bummer!Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I noticed that the Turbo EVO temps were running ~10 C. higher. Now I'll need better cooling or reduced clocks... I'm not sure running/crunching ~4.6GHz 8-cores load 24/7 at ~ 50+ C. would be ideal for the chip? What kind of daily (load) temp range do you all think I should shoot for?
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...46GHzTemps.png
I would not worry about the temperatures until they are 70c+.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
These chips are rated to 90c (thermal control, "throttling").
do you prefer 9913 over 9911? Is there a link anywhere for 9913?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumo
Heres Charged http://kingpincooling.com/forum/show...8&postcount=28Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
I'm still playing with 9911 and will try 3Ds with 9913 again next
Heres core temp K15 from The Coolest, I haven't try it with ambient temp. though.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
Will ask The Coolest for dl link
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ht=The+Coolest
http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/3...nshot025ef.jpg
I wanted to test SLI on the board yesterday ( 9911 bios ) First did some runs with the 1090T@4ghz and then popped in the FX 8150@4.6. Outcome all 3D scores dropped ???? CPU score is everywhere higher, yet the GPUs seem to get limited somehow (or don't scale as much as with the 1090T) ... Reinstalled windows ( Ghost image ) tried other drivers, no go... will try 9913 and in the end pop in the 1090T again.
Have I just been Buldozzered ?
Vantage cpu test 1 sometimes dropped to >1000:(
Heres 32m
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6...nshot039eb.jpg
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/222...shot038gjo.jpg
Nice voltages for a 5 Ghz run....are the CPU Z tabs right?
Yep, AI suite bouncing around 5009~50018 under load
@Dumo
Even though chew* said low VID chips didn't scale as well when going "cold" as some that had higher VID... it looks like they still might be better clockers with ambient air/water? I know you are running SS but on air my chip is running ~ 400MHz lower with the same vcore.
It seems like it PR.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
I'm still trying to find oc settings that balanced my old SS capability (1.5+ Vcore 8C/8T is too much).
Really like playing with BD but 2700K is waiting. Lol
For air, water (+chiller) and mild phase a chip with average leak & VID seems to be best.
There are quite massive differences between the power consumption (= heat) between the keepers & leakers.
The least leaky chip (happens to have the highest VID too...) I got has over 10% lower power draw than the one which has the highest leakage (lowest VID...).
The chip with lower leakage does better on air with 4CU/8C configuration, while the high leaker beats it hands down with only one core enabled. The "keeper" also runs 6c cooler at the same clocks, even the VDD is 0.1V higher.
Thanks for the comment. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
From what you've said then I gather Dumo's 1.200 VID chip might well be too HOT (power hungry) when attempting to run on air at ~4.6GHz(+) 8-cores as compared to my 1.287 VID sample with a similar o.c. and a higher VDD...
From your experience and from the samples that you've tested... what range or ~ number would you describe as the ideal average leak/VID? A chip(s) that would hopefully offer the best balance of clocks to lowish voltages to low/manageable temps?
I plan on running 4.6 myself. I can boot and use 5.0GHz fine, however I'm not even going to try to stress test that on air cooling.
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/3259/40768487nel.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/2064730.png
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2064730
I got FX-8150 chips with 1.2625V, 1.2875V, 1.3000V, 1.3125V, 1.3250V and 1.3375V VIDs.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
The best chips on air have 1.3000V+ VID, the lower ones are simply too hot to be run on air.
The 1.3375V VID chip does ~4740MHz Prime95 LargeFFT stable (4CU/8C) with 1.40V on poor UEX120 + Ultra Kaze 3krpm fan.
After that the third (0-3) compute unit starts failing and does not scale with further voltage.
The chips with higher leakage do only 4550MHz (4CU/8C LargeFFT) or so with 1.35V.
The temperature raises way too high on these and the third CU starts failing at ~70c.
When the power draw / heat is limited by disabling the compute units and leaving only one core active, the lower VID chips do ~5400MHz / 1.49V (light tests) while the low leakers do only 5200MHz or so with the same voltage.
If I would purchase a single FX cpu to be run on air or water, I would want a chip with atleast 1.3000V VID.
The things will probably change as the CPUs get more mature (in terms of manufacturing process) thou.
thank you Stilt for your info. Im still waiting for my FX-8150, I will happy for one great under air cooling and one under LN2 :).
A lot of fun oc this chip, too bad theres nowhere to be found:(
Gotta move on:up:
Ya' me too. I'm probably going to jump on a 2600k. I may wait on IB though.
My findings were/are very similar to stilts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolRoger
For an all around bench chip 1.30 is the sweet spot. More common than not chips with lower than 1.30 vid on ln2 crapped out at 7000-7500......
1.30 chips averaged 7600-7700 with some scaling well into the 8.2 range if they had voltage tolerance............
We found that 1.30 is the base starting vid for good air/water chips.
No it wasn't PR..........our WR chips note plural as we had a couple ;) were both 1.30 vid........It's the range I had liked best from extensive testing and the range I bet and binned for for our Lhe runs. It costs about $1000 per chip on lhe and I bet the farm on the 1.30 vid chips...........and won.
It must be PR :rolleyes: Watch the video closely........that will be the tell all.........
Guess I know why i distance myself further away daily from this game............
So, I must founbd one with 1.3V and second more than 1.3 VID :)...How is it with FX-8120???? The same or maybe -0.05V diference?