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Thank you admin & Ket. That garbage was unnecessary :-(
Thank you. I had put him on my ignore list, but it's nice to see that it's no longer an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
I have only one option left that I can think of in troubleshooting my two issues. Does anyone know if there is a "Legacy" setting for the UEFI BIOS? I'm not home right now, but I plan to check this in case it could resolve either of my issues. I know that my ThinkPad can run in UEFI, Legacy, or a combination mode.
Good advice. It also tempts me a little to get an Intel 311 SSD and see how Intel RST performs.Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
Hey Arise just join the forum and first time to post, I just got my extreme 7 last friday and been using it for 5 days, all I can say is I am impress with the Asrock Extreme7 gen3 board I am usually an Asus motherboard user but seeing the Extreme7 I was hooked! The system has been great so far (knock on wood)! The only problem I had was when I first turn it on, it would just hang and no display! I prayed to the tech gods and cleared the cmos and it came to life! So thumbs up for Asrock for making an awesome board!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arise
Here is my setup:
Intel i7 2600k overclocked to 4.4 GHz
G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage Series 8GB MHz
Corsair H100 cpu cooler
Corsair H1000 power supply
Ht Omega eclaro sound card
2 Gigabyte GTX 580 sli
Asrock Extreme7 Gen3
Western Digital velociraptor 150g raid 0 (OS)
Western Digital velociraptor 300g raid 0 (games)
2 LiteOn Blu Ray DVD Burner
In Win Dragon Rider Case
Win7 Ultimate 64bit
Well me and asrock have been exchanging emails for a little over a week. They pretty much told me to send it back tot he place i bought it from. Even when i asked them to rma, swap it or basically do whatever needed to be done. Even the tech support is very bad, they was so bad, what the even told me wasn't even what i was trying to get help for. They even went as far as to try to tell me to download a the usb 3.0 beta driver to fix my keyboard.
First off, my keyboard isn't even on a usb 3.0. Which i tried to explain for 5 emails. But made no difference what-so-ever. I'm almost thinking it was just some random person answering emails now. I am very disappointed in asrock's help and tech support. I could have just gotten a bad board. As i seen on newegg it seems to be a common issue with asrock. Seems their quality control is very low for some odd reason.
I guess my main issue is what do you have to do to even get these people to even half way try to help out. It is almost like they don't care when they answer a email asking for tech support. Or even trying to give them info to use to perhaps put in a update for the uefi. I mean maybe i am old and just set in my ways. You know how us old men are about stuff sometimes.
Again if your asrock board is working then i'm 100% happy for you. Seems i just got the short end of the stick. And it seems like i will not be going back with asrock for the second adventure. Don't get me wrong, i know every manufacture has its good points and bad points. I just wished they would act like they wan to support their product. The board could have been rushed to meet the time frame. I honestly don't know. I hate i got a bad taste with this board and their tech didn't help any for the matter.
Good luck with your Asrock Motherboards and i wish you the best of luck. Me on the other hand will put this up as a total failure on my part. Thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by rombat
Rombat can you plz post bios pictures,what voltage do you need at 4.4ghz?
If that is the experience you had, then I'm truly sorry, dude. I've only just opened a ticket with Asrock regarding my questions on my TV tuner and the floppy drive; I hope I won't have an experience like that; I don't know what response I'll get yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
You have a right to expect better than that. Personally, I'd look up the CEO's e-mail address and send him a polite, detailed letter stating what you've had to go through and your frustrations. This isn't something I'd like to hear.
Do you have an earlier post in this thread that details your issues? If you still have the board, I'm sure everyone here would like to help. Otherwise, good luck to you on whichever board choice you make.
Yes, I posted my issues i had with the board.
1) Major input/output issues with my logitech g19 keyboard.
2) With my 580, i couldn't overclock past 4.6Ghz.
3) With my 470 i couldn't go past 4.6Ghz.
4) Just random popups saying my pc didn't start.
5) Board will power up and then power down.
Borrowed a asrock fatality p68 board. Haven't had any issues with that board. So i'm just not happy with extreme4 gen3 board at all. I know someone will say, "You get what you pay for" remark. And i guess i did try to save a little money and it seems to have turned around and blew up in my face. Live and learn.
I honestly doubt the CEO would even bother to care. Since i'm not a reviewer or someone highly known. My chances are slim to none. My luck has to change sooner or later.......Thanks
@icedtea, thanks for checking the "memory channel 0/1 rank max" temperatures in hwinfo. I'll ignore them for now (seen as high as 101C by now).
I'm happy with my extreme4 gen3. Running the MB with a 2500K, mugen 3, 2x 4GB 1600 CL9 1.65V kingston ram and sapphire 6950 dirt3 edition.
To provide some overclock info:
Initially I ran on the integrated graphics without the sapphire plugged in. System ran stable on 44x with default voltages (spread spectrum disabled, watt & amperage limits lifted). Temps (ambient is 25C) went up to 63/71/71/70 while running LinX/AVX (nothing competes with it for max. heat generation).
For 45x I needed to switch to offset +0.015 and llc level 4 (Vcc becomes 1.328V), temps rose to the max. of what I wanted 70/79/79/77. 46x did not run completely stable (occasional errors in prime and LinX).
After having plugged in the HD6950 nothing changed on 44x and 45x stability, *but* I discovered that running furmark at the same time as LinX/AVX revealed the system to be unstable, I had to go down to 42x to keep LinX from failing on errors. I have no idea if this is normal but I do not see how/why the video card should affect cpu overclocking. CPU temperatures have gone up due to the heat produced by the video card but on 42x (and 43x) they were still lower than they were on 45x without the card plugged in. (comments/tips are welcomed)
Considering the Z68 Extreme 4 Gen 3 mainboard is a $190-200 mainboard "you get what you pay for" should mean "you got a good board". That's not cheap, it's smack in the upper-middle range of boards as prices go.Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
CEOs often do bother to care if a support experience is bad --it reflects on their company. One well-known fact in any retail industry is that someone with a good experience may tell five people about it; someone with a bad experience will tell twenty. That amounts to lost sales. I have known people who had support issues with a company (e.g., Dell), mailed the CEO, and had their response dramatically improve, even though they were "just another customer".
Their CEO's name is Xu Longlun. I would start there.
http://www.f-paper.com/?i358086-Phot...Longlun-ASRock
P.S. What power supply are you using? I tried to see if I could find that in the thread and didn't come up with it.
To add to this thread --here is the answer to my support ticket regarding my floppy controller and Hauppauge card, from Eric at Asrock.
I'm a little disappointed with that. I didn't get asked a single question (I provided as much information as I can), not even any preliminary troubleshooting. Based on my experiences with the board so far, I doubt the board is defective.Quote:
Hi,
Sorry about the issue you are having. I have to believe you have hardware issue from mainboard. Please contact seller for replacement. Thank you for your time.
What concerns me more is "return it to your reseller for replacement". If I bought a board from Gigabyte and had an issue, or (insert one of the other corporations here), I'd be given an RMA-directly-to-the-company option. Does this mean that after the NewEgg 30-day return policy, my two year warranty becomes useless? It's as if Asrock expects their resellers to RMA and will not handle any part of it themselves.
Today is the thirtieth day I have owned this mainboard, and the last day I can return it to NewEgg. If I return it today, I can't risk the lack of customer service sticking me with a $200 purchase, which means I will purchase a board from another vendor. I like this board, and would be disappointed to do this, but it may be the only option I have.
This is going to be a tough decision. I seriously think there is nothing physically wrong with the mainboard, and that returning it will get me another with the same issue. I'm just worried about the level of support I'm going to get. I understand where Killer_K is completely at this point.
It seems honestly that is the answer you get to anything you ask them. Which is just plain odd in my book. Seems mine is fixing to go back to newegg also. And i will just add some cash and get something i can count on for support or at least care about a issue i have.
Edit: I did email them to see if they would give me a email to "Xu Longlun." But i think they will not do anything and i'm tired of sending emails and getting the "Please contact seller for replacement."
This is my power supply information.
Code:Enermax EVO Galaxy 1250 watt 80+ bronze power supply
Sad thing is, there is no mainboard that does it exactly how I want it other than this Asrock. Almost everyone else is missing something, or has a lot of stuff I don't need, or has some support/hardware issues of its own.
The ASUS P8Z68-V PRO is receiving complaints from a number of users about two of the four memory sockets not working, or other odd hardware quirks, and for those having problems, they are also complaining of support issues similar to that of Asrock. The Maximus IV Extreme-G is much more expensive and offers a few features I really don't need (dual NICs, the NF200 chip).
That leaves MSI and Gigabyte. Gigabyte comes closest to what I'd want with the GA-Z68XP-UD5, but lacks the UEFI BIOS and doesn't have the nice Intel or Broadcom NIC, and costs $50-60 more than the Asrock.
In other notes, I've found that my floppy drive works fine when I'm not in Windows. I also found what appears to be a BIOS bug related to it. My Dell 2407WFP LCD has a built in multi-memory card reader that attaches via USB port. When this is plugged in, the UEFI BIOS sees two of the card reader slots as floppy drives, leaving no option for the internal 34-pin floppy drive. I'm guessing it wasn't caught because so few people have both a floppy drive and a card reader attached at the same time. Even when I have the card reader detached though, the floppy drive is not seen in Windows, even though I can boot from it, and even though the Standard Floppy Controller is detected and installed in Device Manager.
I am convinced there is nothing physically wrong with my board (if anything, there may be a BIOS bug or two, but that's it) and that exchanging the board won't solve anything. I just want Asrock to work with me a little here and actually provide support rather than a blanket "It's bad, return it". That's gotta be bad for business if the answer to everything is to send it back rather than try and resolve things, and it results in learning nothing from users' issues to improve support.
This pretty much put the icing on the cake.
Quote:
To: Support
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Z68 Extreme4 Gen3, Got issues with this board.
Hi,
I need "Xu Longlun's" email to contact him. As it seems he is the one i need to talk to. Thanks
Dear KILLER_K;
We are sorry but we do not have any person with the name you described.
ASRock America Support
Send them the link I sent you as a reply --ask if they really know who their CEO/COO is.Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
I would. (dry chuckle)
You may need to get in touch with ASRock in Taiwan as the America support team doesnt seem to know who their CEO is :shrug:. Also you could try the Sales And Marketing Contact (not for technical support though).Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
I've done some more testing only to be more confused as the problems with my X-Fi and floppy have gone away, I've temporarily removed part of my post.
And sorry to hear about the problems some members are facing, also about the sub-par support.
I've tried to replicate some of the problems that have been reported.
1)I could boot into windows at 48x with my HD6950 (rechecked, but didnt look for a LinX/AVX stable voltage setting). iirc KILLER_K reported had he used automatic overclocking it could go to 4.8GHz, dont know what to say about this.
4)overclocking @ 4.5GHz with LinX/AVX and furmark wasnt a problem. With LinX using up most of the CPU time furmark was running slow. VCore reading in HWiNFO was 1.280-1.296, LLC is level 3.
http://i53.tinypic.com/2mmg39g.jpg
Support; at least from the USA team; does seem disappointing which is sad since ASRock makes some fine mobos and as LoneWolf stated it wouldnt be good for their business (though that kind of support is not uncommon from the distributors in my country; part of the problem being it hard for us to explain troubles precisely in english while there are few japanese speaking engineers that we can get in touch directly. I've recieved the same kind of non-helpful support from a well known sound card company but they have a bad rep so... :p: )
It would helpful if we could get in touch with an ASRock engineer or an employee who could get directly in touch with their engineers, maybe Ket could help us out?
I have already PM-ed him on that, and am attempting to get ahold of the head of the Vortez website that reviews the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by icedtea
I got some additional messages from Asrock tonight. They told me they couldn't help me with my Hauppauge card issue as they didn't have one of the cards. However, they failed to even address my floppy drive issue despite several e-mails. I'm ashamed to say my last e-mail to them asked about the floppy drive issue in 36-point bold font.
I truly believe this is a great motherboard in design and engineering, and I want badly to keep it. However, I think I probably could get better support from Gigabyte, even though their models just don't have the feature-set I want to see. If I don't get some additional answers tonight on the floppy drive, I will beg NewEgg to take my RMA tomorrow and pay more for a mainboard I want less (either the UD5 or UD7).
EDIT: You have given me one more idea. I hate going through the hassle, but I'm going to look at removing my X-Fi card and adding the Hauppauge and seeing if that works. If it does, I think they need to work on their PCI Express management some.
AAbenson here is my settings:
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Tried my one last attempt with the Hauppauge card (removed the X-Fi); still no dice.
I'm going to put it in my SO's system (Intel DG33TL Socket 775 mATX board) just for a quick test. It won't be the same board, nor quite the same OS (32-bit Windows instead of 64) but at least I'll confirm that the card didn't go south in the past week. I have an X-Fi Titanium in hers as well.
And, I'll wait for word from Asrock on the floppy issue, for about twelve hours, but no more. If I hear nothing, I might as well run a board with no floppy controller at all that lets the Hauppauge card work.
LoneWolf been reading your messages about your problems I agree with icedtea and you, could be resource issues with using certain slots on the board, I remember looking at some specs on certain mother boards and reading were if you use certain pci or pci-e slots you could not use one or it disabled something else on the board.
Thanks, rombat, I agree.
I just plugged the Hauppauge card into my SO's system, which has the following cards already:
Geforce 9500GT (PCIe x16)
SoundBlaster X-Fi Titanium PCie
This is an Intel DG33TL mATX mainboard, using a far less capable G33 chipset, and a Core 2 E8200 processor with 4GB of RAM.
The system installed the card perfectly on the first try, using Microsoft's drivers. Using the Hauppauge installer also worked. Frustrating, to say the least. At least I'm now assured that the card didn't die somehow.
There is only one thing left I can try before throwing my hands up, and that is trying the Hauppauge card in the Asrock board with only 8GB or 4GB of RAM, and seeing if the card has an issue with addressing space somewhere. At that point, I've exhausted every option I have. I'll be doing that in the next ten minutes, and we'll see what we have. If it doesn't work then, I think I've ruled out every other option than the Asrock board (or 64-bit OS issues, though the Hauppauge drivers support x64 and did in my last Gigabyte board), and I'll have to try something else.
EDIT: Tried the Hauppauge card in the Asrock with only 4GB of RAM. Still no dice. I guess I get to research Z68 mainboards very heavily in the next 2-3 hours. This really isn't what I want --but I don't think I can get the support I need.
LoneWolf I know this might be a dumb question but worth a shot did you install this with a fresh install of win7 and installed the intel inf and intel management drivers, just double checking.
Although my problems seemed to have magically gone away, I have no idea what went right.
The things that I did; uninstall Virtu, remove ram to one 4GB stick, changed Low MMIO Align and DVMT Memory to 64MB/256MB, disable everything but USB2.0 onboard, install X-Fi and driver, enable everything onboard, go back to 16GB ram, reset Low MMIO Align /DVMT memory back to original settings, re-install Virtu.
I was assuming that eventually something would go wrong, but it just kept working. It could be that my PCI X-Fi is partially dead, after all I've been using it for 6 years now. Might need to get an PCIe X-Fi Titanium and try it out.
Not a dumb question at all. I did a clean install of Windows 7 Enterprise X64 SP1 (integrated) when installing the board, and used Intel's latest chipset .inf from their website rather than Asrock's. I also used Intel's latest RST storage drivers. I did use Win7's Easy Transfer Wizard to bring back in a number of my files from the old installation, but that wouldn't mess with the hardware setup of the operating system, just the user profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by rombat
I'm going to be bringing my Hauppauge card to work as well to test it with my Nehalem-based Dell system there, which is also running Windows 7 x64. I'm 99% sure my issues are with the Asrock BIOS, but I want every bit of confirmation I can get prior to RMA.
I'm thinking right now, as much as I don't want to put out the extra cash, that the ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z or one of Gigabyte's Z68 boards will probably be my choice. I hate being stuck like this --I want to keep the Extreme 4 Gen 3, but it won't get the job done without some improvement, and Asrock doesn't seem to be interested in helping me.
There should be a Legacy option under "Boot", scroll down to the "PCI ROM Priority" option. I'm shooting from the hip a bit here as I dont have a Gen3 Extreme4 or 7 to hand, but the option should be there.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
I'm sorry you had a experience like that, its certainly not acceptable and not the quality of service I got from Asrock when I started as "just another customer". The reason you would of been asked to send the board back to the etailer is simply because they can ship you a replacement a lot faster than the manufacturer usually can. In the UK the turnaround for sending a board back to the etailer and getting a replacement is 7 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
I would love to help you sort those issues out but as I said further up I don't have a Gen3 board at my disposal right now. I will gently prod one or two of my contacts asking if they can check things or send me a Gen3 board so I can check those issues out. In the meantime all I can say I'm afraid is sit tight :(Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
As mentioned, Asrock would ask you to return it to the etailer because they can send you a replacement faster than the manufacturer usually can. Its not Asrock trying to "dodge a bullet" or anything like that, just trying to get you up and running again as fast as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
@ LoneWolf & Killer_k, maybe I missed it, but what Gen3 board are you having your problems with?
I'm having issues with the Extreme 4 Gen 3; I believe Killer is having issues with the Extreme 7 Gen 3.
Just so we're clear, I'm not accusing Asrock of trying to dodge a bullet. And unfortunately, I know there is little to know way to explain to Asrock that I've been in IT for sixteen years, my first 3.5 years in a mom-n-pop PC shop, so I've seen and worked with a lot. But my gut feeling (and it's a strong one) is that there truly is nothing wrong with my board. If I exchange it, I am 95% sure at this point that a replacement board will have the exact same issues. To that end, I've done everything to eliminate everything else but the mainboard that could be an issue; the Hauppauge card, more than 4GB of RAM (just in case, though the card worked with 8GB in my Socket 775 system), removing my X-Fi card, etc. Coincidentally, I swapped power supplies in the middle of this too, so that's new as well, no change (I know this would have been an extremely unlikely issue, just tacking that on). The only thing left I can do is to try a different video card, or pull it altogether and run with just the Intel HD 2000 to see if that will work.
It may be the easiest "customer solution" for Asrock to tell me to replace the board, and I understand the desire to make me happy in that way. However, if the board is not defective, it gives them no new knowledge that could go towards fixing bugs with the board. I tried to reply with additional information to see if someone was willing to work with me, and pretty much got told the same things all over again. The unspoken communication I get from that is "We're not here to truly provide support, we're here to replace the board for you and hope that works".
At this point if you have one to hand I would say try a new floppy drive. I've had floppy drives die on me before when simply moving to a new system. No idea what the deal is with that, its just happened. If that doesn't work it probably is the board as things like floppy drives are not natively supported by intel chipsets anymore and haven't been since around the P35/45 days. Instead when you see a board with a floppy port now, or any IDE-like port for that matter, its usually providing the support via a 3rd party ITE integrated controller. Which means the board can function perfectly, but IDE-like devices won't work because the 3rd party storage controller is buggered.
As one last try I reconected the floppy drive and played with the UEFI settings and have found out a weird thing. Hope this will help.
I have a floppy drive & an internal USB connected media card reader which are both recognized in the Floppy drive section. In the Floppy Drive BBS priorities setting, if I set the floppy drive to the lowest priority windows would not notice my floppy drive. When I set the floppy drive to the highest priority windows would notice the drive.
I can sort of understand the frustration some of the members have with the sub-par ASRock support. Just hope that they do upgrade in that division, or at least get a R&D/bios tech or someone close to them on a forum to help the more experienced members.
Thats me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by icedtea
I noticed that as well, having a built in card reader in my Dell 2407wfp LCD. I disconnected the card reader from usb, and could then see my floppy in bios. Still couldn't find it in windows even though I could boot from it. I also informed Asrock of this and got no reply to my floppy issues, just my hauppauge one.
Ket, I tried floppy drives in my junk pile by Samsung, Panasonic, and Mitsumi, with Mitsu having the most success, booting in dos. No dice in Windows.
I wangled an RMA from the 'Egg, and ordered a Gigabyte Z68XP-UD5. I's missing some things I liked about the Asrock (including a floppy controller), but I'm hoping to resolve my issues that way.
Quote:
Originally Posted by icedtea
A shame indeed. If I could look into those issues I would. I'll ask to see if Asrock can send me a Extreme4 or 7 for testing purposes, but it might take a few weeks as theres a lot of events going on ATM.
Sorry for the late reply. I got the asrock extreme4 gen3 board. I contacted newegg and they send me a prepaid label and offered a full refund on the board. Or get another board and pay the difference. Nice to know i can still count of newegg to help me out.
I also pm'd the asrock guys in taiwan. I also sent them all my emails that i had with the american tech support. After looking at the newegg reviews, it seems others are having issues with the board also. Like i said i could have just gotten a bad board. Or maybe it just doesn't like some of my hardware perhaps. But then again if i didn't have bad luck then i wouldn't have any at all.
I just bought the Z68 extreme7 gen3 + i7 2600k . I been doing overclok and the board it's Solid ,i have not experience no issue with the board.
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/600/dsc01881d.jpg
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Here is a screen of a intel burn test passed i7 2600k@4,8ghz
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7531/test4dc.jpg
If someone could advise me for any tip on UEFI/bios settings i'll aprecciate because there's to much things here i dont know.
Another test made instants ago
i7 2600k@4,6ghz
Cpu voltage 1,260
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/3682/test5q.th.jpg
Very good! Did you try this cpu on a different board before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arise
Are you still running 2 x 285's in sli? Either way, are you using the auto overclock setting at the top? As i like to know what happens when you try to go over 4.6GHz on the board. As mine had issues with it, though it wasn't the Ext7 Gen3 it was the Ext4 Gen3 board. Trying to see if they are having the same issues on that board also.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arise
Yes i'm still running my 285's SLI and it runs perfect ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
No..i'm using MANUAL overclok.
here is my UEFI/Bios settings:
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I don't know very well this socket or the sandy Bridges CPUs so suggestions are welcome..
:up:
Arise, please set your VCCSA Voltage to 0.925V and the VTT Voltage to 1.060.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arise
So, how does the board react when you go over 4.6Ghz though? Thanks
Thanks a lot man! I was able to get raid1 up and running yesterday evening!Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
You're most welcome. Glad to help you out.Quote:
Originally Posted by tinjuko
Here is a review of the Asrock Z68 Extreme 7 Gen3 from, tweaktown.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/427...ew/index1.html
Due to recent bugs I have discovered in the Etron 1.104 and 1.105 drivers it is recommended to stick with the Etron 1.101 drivers
What kind of bugs?
I would use usb 3.0 only to transfer data from and to a hdd docking station.
The Extreme3 gen 3 seems to perform good too.
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I have two sata ports left on the marvell controller. I've just recently found out I need to set up 2 HDD drives in raid0 to handle my fraps recording at 1920x1080 @ 60 fps. Can I setup raid0 on the marvell controller? I ask because I've previously tried setting up my two storage drives on the marvell controller but they didnt show up (in the UEFI). I'd hate to buy a raid controller if I dont have to. Thanks for any feedback.
Sorry for the late reply...Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
here i left a screen of a IntelBurn test runing a 5ghz and the SLI is performing very well.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/9838/semttuloqjm.jpg
Well, I was approved for an RMA on my Asrock board to my purchaser (thank-you NewEgg). In its place went a Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD5.
No UEFI BIOS, no floppy controller, no 2-digit diagnostic LCD.
However, it is clear my new board is built more solidly (not that the Asrock board was bad, just not quite as good), and my Hauppauge HVR-1800 card installs properly, an indicator that Asrock has some BIOS work to do when it comes to properly recognizing PCIe cards, and some additional work to do in ironing out their support procedures, at least in the U.S. Perhaps my problems weren't solved in the way I hoped, but I have solved them now. Unfortunately, Asrock had a chance to really wow me with their Gen3 boards, and came up short. It will be awhile before I try another one.
I guess my summary is that beauty is great, but it can't replace brains (or good cooking). ;)
Oh dear you bought a Gigabyte board, that means no Pci-e 3 or windows 8 for you then !Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
http://www.techpowerup.com/151718/MS...ady-Claim.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windo...1-220707.shtml
I understand the PCI-E 3.0 comment but why not Windows 8?
Same question here...
BTW my new P67 extreme 4 came to me yesterday and have to say it s beauty and powerful, no issues.
I got a full refund from newegg and went with a asus maximus extreme z. No issues on the board at all. Asrock just dropped the ball on this one and like others i just got a bad board it seems. And i just didn't feel like playing rma and board swap to keep trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
@ Arise; Thanks for the updated info. Just seems i got a bad board, so i went with another brand this go around. Thanks
@ The pci-express 3.0 comment; really by the time you need it you will be updating your motherboard honestly. It isn't like you are going to need it with your current gen video cards. It is a nice feature to have but not needed right now.
@ Windows 8 comment; I'm not sure what you mean by this. Windows 8 will care less if you have a pci-express 3.0 or lower when you install it. Thanks
Good *cross fingers*Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant4res
tomorrow i have coming
asrock p67 extreme4 gen 3
2500k
corsair vengeance 4gb
noctua nh-d14
haf x
will i have issues fitting this cooler on the asrock board and the vengeance ram ?
Hi man, i have the asrock p67 extreme 4 board ang gskill memories with the noctua nh-d14 and everything worked perfect. Maybe you could go into noctua´s website to see compatibility with your memories.Quote:
Originally Posted by watercooled
LoneWolf, KILLER_K, nice to hear that you guys were able to return your boards and have had better luck with your new boards from ASUS/Gigabyte. Hope ASRock USA ups their customer support in the future as they could and should have helped you guys out more.
I think he's talking about Windows8 requiring UEFI, as some (most?) of Gigabyte's current boards still use BIOS. But I don't know about the Gigabyte boards, maybe they'll do something about it when the time comes. Who knows what will happen in the future, there are already rumors about current boards not being compatible with Ivy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
I think you won't have any problems but you may need to adjust the NF-P12 upward when using the fans in a push-push configuration. It'll push the height up abit, but with the HAF X width it shouldn't be a problem. Pull-pull should fit easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by watercooled
any bios tips with the 2500k and the extreme4 p67 ?
The MIVE-Z is a nice board. About the only nitpick I have is the lousy placement of the USB3 header. Like your ASUS for you, my Gigabyte board works perfectly for me. I don't even think I got a bad Asrock board; I think I got a good board (no defective hardware, that is) with a buggy BIOS, followed by a complete lack of support. I might have considered an Extreme 7 Gen 3 if I had confidence I wouldn't have the same issues. I hope someone at Asrock sees these threads and makes some changes, though I don't count on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KILLER_K
I'm more disappointed by Gigabyte's misrepresentation of PCIe 3.0 on their boards than I am about my board not having it. Kind of like the way that in hindsight, I'd have waited for LGA-2011 systems had Asrock not come out with what I thought was the perfect board (causing my purchase of CPU and RAM and going with LGA 1155). Oh well; I planned so that I'd have RAM that would last through another DDR3 board, so at least that would be transferable if I went X79 at some point.
I have no idea where that Windows 8 comment came from; that makes about as much sense as a submarine with a screen door. Of course, DaveFran has only two posts; perhaps he recently got a job with MSI and is just earning his paycheck.
i5 2500K @ 5GHZ| Asrock p67 Extreme4 Gen 3| 8GB 1600MHz G.Skill Ripjaws X | GTX 470 |Haf X |Win7 64bit
5GHZ 1.48v
prime stable
max temp 73
Attachment 119947
nice, nice.
Any bugs, watercooled?
nothing yet that i have noticed :)
I'm very interested in this board, could someone explain to me exactly what the core current limit function does? What do the numbers mean?
Hiya All, First time poster and new the the forums here.
Just like to say this is one fantastic forum and board. I've read all 21 pages of the other extreme4 forum and and all 7 pages here. The people here and regular posters (ket especially) are awesome. And entertaining too! That spat between Lone Wolf and the other guy made for some pretty funny reading.... indeed some people just don't get rational calm discussion. haha :D
After reading all the pages here i'm pretty much sold on the Extreme4 Gen3 and have decided to use it for my new SB build. (just holding to see if imminent release of Bulldozer will cause intel to drop prices a little, every cent helps! ;) )
However i do have a question that's pop up in the last couple of days. I'm not sure if anyone noticed but bit-tech recently did a review on the Extreme4 Gen3... in the last few days actually. ->Extreme 4 Gen 3 Bit Tech review.
The review was more or less to my expectations and reads like most other review of that particular board. Still quite happy to buy it. Though there was 1 bench test result that confused me a little... the sata performance test... link
The interesting thing about this bench was the difference in the intel chipset sata3 performance between the Z68 Asrock Extreme4 Gen3 & the Asus P68 Sabertooth... I know one should take any benchmark with a grain of salt and that at the core, the two boards use different chipsets. ie P67 & Z68
However, aren't the sata3 controllers on the intel chipsets the same? Or am i mistaken? I can understand that there is a performance differences between different brands of 3rd party controllers (such as JMicron vs Marvell) But shouldn't sata3 controllers from intel perform more or less the same across different manufacturers? What am i not seeing? Hardware / software bias? incorrect testing methodology?... finger of god touch the sabertooth board for a sec? :D
It's not a deal breaker really, but curiosity wise, I'd like to know. Anyone like to shed some light on this?
thanks in advance. :up:
acidwap
All p67 and z68 boards have the intel controller with 4 sata2 ports + 2 sata3 ports, which PERFORMS ALL THE SAME.
Then, motherboard manufacturers add another 2+ ports, usually sata3 using third party controllers, marvel, asmedia, etc. - these never perform as good as the intel one, and if not really needed (i.e. for an esata backup disk), can/should be disabled.
Just ran Atto on my Extreme4 Gen3 Z68, looks like they messed up somewhere. This is on an Agility 3, which should be slower than the Vertex they used.Quote:
Originally Posted by acidwap
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/5077/atto.jpg
By davefran at 2011-09-10
I was reading a post on another forum, concerning the Windows 8 requirements, as released from Microsoft. This clearly stated it would require a FULL Uefi to implement all of the new features in windows 8.Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
If I worked for MSI don't you think I'd use one of their products, rather than a rivals.
But seeing as you've got 88 posts in coming up to 7 years on this forum, must mean your knowledge is vasty superior to anyone elses :clap:
Hi RealTelstar. Thanks for the reply and info. Appreciate it. :up: But it wasn't quite what i was asking. My bad, perhaps I was too long winded.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
I was interested in knowing why apparently in that particular bit-tech review, benchmarking sata performance. There was a disparity between the intel sata3 controller on the asrock board and the intel sata3 controller on the asus board. --->Bench mark link here<--- According to that benchmark a vertex 3 plugged into the intel sata 3 controller on the asus performed much higher than the same vertex 3 plugged into the intel sata 3 controller on the asrock extreme4 gen3 board (and the rest of the compeditors by the looks of it.) This (like you've explained) shouldn't happen, and was exactly what i was thinking.
However thanks to davefran and his quickbench of his Agility SSD and useful screenshot, I think I can draw think out some theories as to why...
a) the boards were benched at different times, and something in ssd changed (perhaps firmware). eg. old firmware when benching asrock, new firmware when benching the asus.
b) the test for some reason or another were skewed to highlight the asus board (unlikely though and in no way am i saying this is what happend. it's just a possibility)
c) human error when benching... (wrong setting, wrong ports, wrong cables etc.)
What ever the reason, davefran's benchmark screenshot has put me at ease more or less.... He's shown his Asrock Extreme4 Gen3 sata3 ports perform as expected. Thanks all. :)
If anyone has any other theories and speculation it would be interesting to hear. :D
acidwap
Hey mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by davefran
Just wanted to say thanks for doing the bench and the screenshot... I see there is a thank statistic but I don't know how to do it... i'm new to this whole forum board thing...
anyway, thanks again. :up:
acidwap
This should be interesting in the light of the recent spat between the other mobo makers over true and fake PCI-e 3.0 hardware. Knowing me, I just had to pester Asrock for the way their mobos were designed for PCI-e 3.0 and they sent me this pdf file as an answer.
Anyone wants to dissect this and see if their design is up to the PCI-e 3.0 mark? :D
ASRock Gen3 Series design introduction.doc.pdf - Ziddu
For those too lazy to download the pdf, I have screenshot the 2 different Asrock PCI-e 3.0 designs and posted them below as a quick reference.
http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...3/de047e86.png
http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...3/fa471de1.png
And then I sought further clarification from Asrock concerning the role of the PLX bridge chip and this is the answer I got.
http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/...3/0ee68669.jpg
Quote:
Dear Mac,
Please kindly refer to the attachment for Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 block disgram.
PCI-E Gen3 Switch IC is connected to Ivy Bridge.
But PLX chip is connected to Intel PCH and then connect some onboard devices.
PLX 8608 chip doesn't affect PCI-E 3.0 work, please kindly don't worry about this.
Thanks!
HTH
Maybe they used a bad cable, forgot to install Intel RST, the SSD had been heavily abused and is showing degradation, or just a bad M/B.Quote:
Originally Posted by acidwap
Though not a SandForce, I'm using a Crucial m4 64GB SSD 0009 firm and it does read at over 500MB/s so it shouldnt be a problem.Attachment 120031
Although I haven't had any serious problems (other than the FDD which I dont use), some have reported a few glitches so if you are getting the board you'd be safer getting it from a trusted dealer.
That table is weird, it shows too big differences across various motherboards. Since there is no hardware difference, all depends on drivers (intel RST) and firmware of the SSD used. Edit: ah, yes and degradation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by acidwap
In short, I wouldnt worry and look instead at more serious reviews.
Cheers acidwap, you're very welcome, just glad I could be of some assistance :welcome:Quote:
Originally Posted by acidwap
Hi everybody!
I've recently purchased the ASrock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 coupled with a 2500k and I hereby report the following problems:
1. Having installed a Silver Arrow to cool the CPU, its fins touch my X-fi Titanium PCIX 1 card which is installed in the PCIX 1 slot right beneath the CPU socket. As a solution, I had to put some cloth between the back of the sound card and the cooler fins so that they don't get into contact directly.
2. My Razer Copperhead mouse is not working in UEFI 1.0; it is stuck in the middle of the screen and can only be moved up- and downwards, whereas the controls are inverted. This should be fixed with a UEFI update, I guess...
3. The second CPU fan connector misreads the RPM of the Silver Arrow's vent and the RPM often fail to show up in UEFI as well as in AIDA 64 and HWMonitor. This occurs randomly from boot to boot or power down cycle. It worked fine, then it stopped and so on.
4. My Lamptron FC5V2 fan controller, although fully powered up with a Molex connector, does not display anything on its screen (voltage & RPM), it is only backlit. It worked flawlessly on my previous board and has started to fail since changing the motherboard. This occurs randomly from boot to boot or power down cycle. It worked fine, then it stopped and so on.
5. ... and the most annoying problem is that the mobo has problems picking up my 2nd video (GTX 470) which I'm running in SLI mode.
Out of 5 boots into Windows, it fails to pick up the second card about 3-4 times. This is happening completely random. As a side-note, I have also plugged in the supplementary Molex power connector which is recommended by ASrock for SLI/CFX use.
I primarily bought this mobo because of its features and the layout, whereas it can accommodate my SLI with trislot coolers, however it refuses to recognize most of the time my second card.
Can anyone, please, provide some assistance on fixing my issues, especially points 3, 4 and 5? Thanks in advance for your support.
My specs are the following:
2500k @stock speed + Silver Arrow
Z68 Extreme4 Gen3
4x2GB Kingston HyperX 1600
2 x GTX470 in SLI, both cooled with Accelero Extreme GTX Plus
X-FI Titanium Fatality PCIX1
Vertex3 + WD 1.5TB Green + Asus DVDRW
Coolermaster Real Power 1000W
Lamptron FC5v2 fan controller + 6 x 120 vents
Saitek Eclipse II + Razer Copperhead
If anyone's interested, here are some links with BIOS updates. The forum is German.
http://www.pctreiber.net/forum/intel...2_15069.0.html
http://www.pctreiber.net/forum/intel...0_15078.0.html
P.S. Haven't tried them yet, but will give them a shot when I get home.
Hello everyone, first of all thanks for the great thread :clap:
I was almost ready to buy ASRock Z68 Extreme 7 but then I'm seeing some problems here and there, and I'm thinking maybe change to Gigabyte, i don't mind pay more for that, but i know there will be things i will not use (as other said already before)
I was thinking going to Gigabyte Z68 UD7, since it will match very nice with my new build, and also love the layout and it's rock solid (hope!)
Do you recommend Z68 UD7 over the Z68 Extreme 7?
Any other recommendation? I know ASUS are having some trouble with the B3 so maybe i should avoid them...
If possible with Black PCB :>, really like the looks ASRock and Gigabyte :)
AFAIK the extreme7 has less problems than the extreme4.
Said that, finished installing the new rig and everything seems ok. Using a temporary old matrox pci, til i get something for the other pc and move the 570 here.
Boot is extremely fast with all the crap disabled from bios and m4 fw009, around 10 seconds from bios spash to password prompt.
So far so good.
Will adding an extra 8GB (2x4 Muskin 1866) to my rig create any instabilities? Are there any drawbacks? I'm considering doing this so that fraps can cache to RAM longer since my HDD is having a hard time keeping up.
Thanks for any input.
From what I can see in your specs of your system, in theory no, you shouldn't have any probs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tinjuko
As long as your system is stable to start of with (in terms of oc and compatibility with your current set of ram) adding more ram shouldn't introduce any problems AFAIK.
Without going into the Asrock bit (I think anything that needs to be discussed so far by myself and others already has been)Quote:
Originally Posted by SoMBrA
If you want to go Gigabyte, I'd ask yourself if you need the UD7, or if the UD5 or UD4 will do. Double-check the feature list. The big reason to have the UD7 is if you need the nVidia NF200 chip because you're loading your system down with cards, going TRI-SLI (or two dual-GPU cards). Other uses might be if you really need dual-NICs (most of us don't, though there are exceptions). If you don't need those things, the UD5, or maybe even the UD4, will be a great choice at a lesser price.
The ASUS P8Z68-V Pro doesn't appear to be a bad board. I don't know if it's built quite as heavily as the Gigabyte (FWIW, my Extreme 4 Gen3 wasn't, either, and aside from its quirks, it did what it did okay), and there have been some people who have complained of it being picky about RAM. However, it has the advantages of an Intel NIC, and a UEFI BIOS, and if you have to have UEFI, ASUS is probably the most advanced at this point. If you have to have black, the Maximus IV may be it for you; my only gripe was their poor placement of the USB3 header, done much better on the Asrock and Gigabyte boards, and that ASUS really doesn't have an incredible support reputation either (when their stuff works, it works great, when it doesn't, support is inconsistent).
I think at this point there really is no one perfect Z68 board. The Extreme 7 Gen3 comes closest in terms of layout, features, and design IMO, but having had the experience I did, I'd probably wait for another BIOS revision or two, and if reports come back good, I'd probably look on it as the winner.
new bios out for the p67 extreme 4 gen 3
It seems to give some problems, so if you dont have the Xai mouse, I would advice against flashing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by watercooled
BTW, I have all back usb ports plugged (yeah i have lots of peripherals) and no issue so far.
Need to buy a fast usb3 key.
Edit: ikari has same issue as Xai mouse. I'll get a cheap ps/2 mouse to add for uefi play rather than updating the bios to a not very stable version. The Ikari doesnt work with ps/2 adapter.
When I checked the uefi i had a logitech ps/2 connected.
Tested sleep/resume, it works.
Thanks for all the good info!Quote:
Originally Posted by LoneWolf
I think i will give ASRock a try, will go for the Extreme 7 Gen 3.
Will let you know if i experience any of the starnge behaviours you experienced with the "little brother" ;-)
1.1 bios is well buggy
gone back to 1.0
The usb3 docking station is not working reliably, i dont know if it is the unit, the port or the drivers. In the other usb3 port i have an old usb2 key that works flawlessly.
The drivers i have are the ones from asrock download page, i.e. 0.96 whql.
Edit: it seems is the Etron controller matched with some jmicron controller that probably my docking station has. I'll use it for tv (usb2) and get a new dock with esata: anybody has suggestions? I need one open case, since i use it for backup and quick transfer of files only.
Hi Watercooled, I was just about to try the new Asrock z68 Extreme4 Gen3 v1.10 bios when I read your post. What differences have you experienced with the newer bios?Quote:
Originally Posted by watercooled
new bios was really buggy with usb devices
gone back to 1.0
I own a new Asrock extreme 3 Gen 3 since yesterday and I am really amazed by the ratio quality/price : very good build quality, i7 2600K overclocked to 4800 Mhz at 1.36 V, HT on, fully stable. It is my first Asrock motherboard and it won't be the last !
I would like to bring a few points with this motherboard :
- the mouse must be plugged directly to the motherboard : when my Revoltec Fightmouse Elite was connected to a hub, I was not able to enter into the bios or the boot selection menu.
- to make Install Boot work, a few steps must be followed :
- install Instant Boot
- choose Fast Mode and click « apply »
- the application must be launched automatically after Windows loading : regedit, HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE> SOFTWARE> Microsoft> Windows> CurrentVersion> Run, Open the edition menu> New> string Value, Rename, then give it the value C:\Program Files (x86)\ASRock Utility\InstantBoot\InstantBoot.exe (on Windows 7 x64)
- configuration panel, change category to icons, power supply options/asrock instant boot/modify the mode parameters/modify the advanced parameters/USB parameters/USB selective suppression parameter deactivated then processor power supply management/processor minimal state 100 % (in order to avoid the CPU frequency decrease and to make the Logitech G19 keyboard work)
Since I translated french to english, the paths and parameters may be a little bit different. Nowhere on the web I found the way to make Instant boot work hence these instructions.
Now, when I switch on my PC, I boot into Windows in 1 s ! Great !
OH that's really cool... the normal boot is around 12s for me, nothing i can complain :D
Thanks for the reply. I'll give it a whirl and see if I come across any similar issues with my USB devices...Quote:
Originally Posted by watercooled
updated previous post to correct that UEFI has issue also with the Ikari mouse.
Greetings gentlemen, I'm back :D I'll be compiling a list of issues in due course and see what my contacts can come up with, first I have some *real life* issues to attend to though.
WB Ket!
Only usb issues for me. Mouse in bios (Steelseries Ikari Laser) and Etron usb3 controller not well compatible with all controllers of external drives or docking stations.
Not sure which other issues the 1.01 bios gives because I didnt flash it, seems to be related to usb still.
USB3 issues are Etron driver related. I have tested 0.89, 0.91, 0.96, 0.98, 1.101, 1.104 and 1.105. The best in my testing is the Etron 1.101 driver. 104 and 105 driver versions fail badly because they do not recognise any USB device I plug into the front USB3 drive bay. No such problems for the 101 driver.
For the mouse, I'm using a second ps/2 mouse (yes they work together), so i'm cool in the UEFI too ;)
Hi all,
Have not posted here for a long while,but I am considering getting the extreme3 gen 7 board as it seems a great board as far as specs etc go - not to mention its dead sexy looks.
However I notice that peeps are having various problems with these boards so I am looking for some re assurance here as I don't want an unreliable board and agro.Can some owners chime in
and give me their honest appraisals of this board and confirm it is generally ok or not???? I know of course that traditionally every new cutting edge boards from any manufacturer tend to have problems early
on until bios matures etc so - what do you reckon guys and Girls?
Mark
From what I've seen theres no serious problems with the Gen3 boards, I'll be compiling a list of issues as soon as time allows and submitting them to my contacts for them to look at, so current issues will get ironed out. I can't say anymore than that though as I don't have a Gen3 board for testing like I did for the P67 and Z68.
Thanks for that Ket - you may have just convinced me - not that I really needed much of a push Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ket
Mark
You will be glad to know I've just submitted the following list of issues to my contacts, when I know something, you guys will :up:
Extreme4/7 Gen3 Issues:
Floppy drive not detected in Windows unless it is set to the highest BBS priority in the UEFI.
Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1800 PCIe TV tuner/DVR card will not install. No problems when tested with Gigabyte
EP45-UD3P or GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD5.
Creative X-Fi Platinum PCI will not install in the lower PCI slot, installation is successful if the card
is moved to the upper PCI slot. (issue may be related to crappy Creative drivers)
Logitech G19 keyboard does not work properly (undefined specifics, probably input/output issues when in UEFI)
Razer Copperhead mouse is not working in UEFI, pointer is stuck in the middle of the screen and can only be
moved up and down.
Problems picking up 2nd video (GTX 470) when running in SLI mode. Out of 5 boots into Windows, it fails
to pick up the second card about 3-4 times. This is happening completely random. Supplementary Molex power
connector is plugged in. (user reported)
Steelseries Ikari Laser compatibility issues in UEFI.