are those scores on dice or phase change there chew?
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are those scores on dice or phase change there chew?
Chew*
Should I buy the locked chip that is currently available, or wait for unlocked? I was going to order this weekend. Been bored and wanted to try out some chilled water....
Tough call man, maybe if it was me I would buy the cheaper/cheapest model as far as multi goes ( something in 27X range i guess ) for now seeing as I haven't even gone above 27X on phase or been able to use more, it might be quite a while before we see A-3870's so it will give you something to play with for now.
Of course, the money saved can be justified towards this for the A8-3850.........
http://promotions.newegg.com/AMD/083...%2f156x350.jpg
You have a board? They have some nice combo A6-3650 + board combos with a free dirt 3 copy..... I like the ud2h combo.
I thought about trying out the Biostar, but haven't completely decided yet. I was checking out the combos and liked the free game. Thought it might be a good time to buy. Thanks for the input, I'll make a decision tomorrow, after I sleep on it ;)
Dolk been scouring the web, found this for the hybrid 6670 with the A8-3850. Although not a review I tend to like this a tad better as it's indicative of realworld :)
BF BC2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SwBO9fctjg
Dirt 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHfxSiGqFto&NR=1
BF BC2 online 32man server http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxE7G...eature=related
Damn chew,that cpu wont run more on phase change?Mine can do 3920 3dmark2001.Key was to use a voltage between 1.48-1.50 on air,anything higher and it will be stuck around 3800.I think with ln2 52-53K is perfectly doable :D Which is not bad for an IGP i guess.Altthough some SB cpu paired with 6550D will yield 70k like a breeze :)
Nah Alex this cpu's cores are turds especially core 0/1 but shhhh don't tell anyone that, I wouldn't want people getting the impression that retails are better than ES :D
Phase really doesn't gain you to much.
01 and AM3 I think can get pushed further with phase just need to spend some time on the benches and see what they like.
Depending on the motherboard your using depends on how much you will get out of phase change it seems. I got quite a bit out of my ud4 on phasechange, and the IGP was more agreeable on the hole using the board. I was working with the biostar TA75A+ last night and It really didn't scale to well on the phase change compared to the UD4. Though most of this was due to memory issues. I haven't tried the asus F1A75v-pro on the phase change. I have tried it on ln2 though I didn't really push it far enough to give a good reading of results.
The Ud4 agreed the most with everything i've done so far. I was able to take the chip up to 170bclk, Though at that point It was either a power or memory issue that preventing me from running 3d benchmarks. I didn't spend the time to Figure it out. This was at 29x multiplier for all these tests btw.
My phasechange setup is kind of weak. So thats why i am only comparing what i have in my possession not to other peoples results.
Refreshed a few more scores today.
AM3
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/Llano%20181K%20AM3.jpg
Alex 50K is looking more realistic on phase now :yepp:
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/Lla...d%2001%202.jpg
This is the score I worked on the most however, since I can't afford a chip to compete I will at least compete along side the guys in the hwbot giga comp.
That said 2k landmark is done in 3D 11 :D
Fm link for :banana::banana::banana::banana:s and giggles.
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/1629967
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...d11%202015.jpg
Very nice, I was hoping to put down more 3d benches today for the comp. But I ended up killing My good ram the otherday when going for first place in clocks on the 3850 it seems :\ I'll Pickup some more ram this week. Then jump back into the Mix.
Btw Very nice Submission on the bot ElGuappo at 1700+ in competition. You to chew :)
Great job ;)
How have you killed your ram?I think PSC chips are very ressistend compared to D9(burned 5 kits) and hyper(2 again).
I haven't just need a nicer set, am on these atm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231449 they get the job done but it's a bit of a pain in the bum getting them running them over 2450 stable. For a $54 kit tho, very impressed.
pfft, gtx 6 can kiss my ass :D
This set is just about same cost as APU ;)
The next set up from that set gappo ( 8-9-8) 2133 I have tested to work quite well in case you don't want to play the lotto.
Will keep an eye out :) Not much choice atm is there.
Have got a set of 2000 8-8-8 dominators to rma that I forgot about, will have to send them off and see what comes back.
Gappo, manually set 600 core clocks. Did not bother "optimizing" just ran at settings i've been running.
There is alot more in it ( bclk wise ) with ref gpu set at 600 ;)
My scores must be due to my ES advantage now eh :rolleyes:
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...%20vantage.jpg
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...o%20heaven.jpg
Alex
Forgot to mention, tested K10 stat, voltages applied real and in cpu-z.
Thanks for that. I'm having to back off on the latency with these sticks to get them up to speed which is accounting for the lack of speed in comparison me thinks. Could run a higher base clock but with a lower strap but that would be pointless.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/6799/1769.png
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2806/x300heaven.png
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/7641/p6575.png
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6239/imag0510q.jpg
Think I have a slightly faster heaven and vantage on my stick with a little more core speed.
Man do these apu's give my phase a work out, hot hot.
Yah I'm using my weaker phase atm, Idle is better but load isn't so great, the other one barely budges.
I could optimize these runs but why bother heh, i'm well beyond these points now.
I got a bios you can try btw, no clue what fixes it has, haven't bothered with it yet.
Is your core temp going into the positives in the temp department on the weaker phase change?
I don't measure actual cpu temps tbh when cold.
Evap is going -40C idle to -29C at lowest depending on the mood it's in some days -34C is lowest.
My other unit will idle -40C and dip to -38C max, not that it matters really with these chips.
The unit on right is also much beefier and tuned diff, unit on left is the one currently in use.
Buddy was interested in buying it so making sure it's still in tip top shape other than it's typical moodiness that i'm used to.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file.../med_phase.jpg
Thnks chew,so it seems problem is with asus boards.You wouldn't know where to get some beta bios for them,would you :D?
Hey chew in gigabut bios you have that option CPU Northbridge frequency,does that work like a multiplier for CPU-NB freq(like old phenom) and does it actually apply the settings or not?I am saying cos there isn't such an option in asus bios and curious if you could actually run CPU-NB higher on gigabut boards.
I see.Such a same that we can't play with northbridge freq like on old phenom II.Maybe with next llano be chip?
Gappo's Latency Test
Because I like him and he's a cool guy.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...20test%201.jpg
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...20test%202.jpg
Really no diff other than Bench Run variation here........
Surprised no one else has cracked 7K vantage yet, Even locking GPU at 600 and using crap timings 7K is doable..........
The my board doesn't allow clock speed control excuse is what it is.......an excuse.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...0600%20GPU.jpg
Sorry to sound like a douchebag,but how do you lock your gpu at 600?Another gigabut option that it's not on asus boards :D?
Well your locking the base GPU clock at 600, or leave it auto which is default 600.
The gpu speed still increases from raising CPU base clock but not from GPU.
For instance, I heard users complain about GPU clocks not applying on UD2H with retail chips.
Also at 600 ( default ) GPU should be on a lower divider. I will see if i can get a chart of where the straps are, they change based on bclk.
So far I have just been testing performance at a given clock to find out where they are and when they are changing.
Let me fire up again and run 3d06 multiple textures fill rate test, that should give an idea of what the actual clock is.
The asus board doesn't have an option to change the base GPU speed yet. I Know i have looked. The biostar does have the option, however i am not sure it functions correctly, from the testing i was doing with it yesterday it didn't appear to make any differance in gpu performance at all. So It makes me think that it no properly implemented yet in the beta bios.
The bios northbridge frequency control on Gigabyte and Asrock is working just like it should = not working.
The northbridge clock (NCLK) can be indeed adjusted by dividers ranging from 2 to 15.75 (/MainPLL).
However there is a rule which limits the maximum NCLK frequency: NCLK must always be less or equal than the memory frequency (MEMCLK). Also not all of the NCLK dividers are considered desireable. They do work, but there is a minor hit in memory write performance. The "undesireable" dividers are the reason why the "clock to clock" performance is worse on certain dividers. Not because of these dividers are used, but because they are not used. Luckily this can be fixed ;)
I´ve noticed that these APU:s really seem to hate any memory which uses Micron made IC´s.
None of my Micron kits (1GB & 2GB sticks, D9GTR, D9KPT) can even do 1600MHz unless the tCL and tRCD is latched to 10CLK.
The same sticks can easily do 2000MHz+ with tighter timings on K10 platform. Thats on Asus F1A75-M Pro. On Gigabyte A75M-UD2H they did not even post no matter what.
Is everyone using Elpida and PSC at those monstrous clocks?
Give me a list of micron you would like tested stilt and I will see what i can come up with, I have a preety wide variety here.
As far as I am concerned elipda ( at least hypers ) is a fail for the platform as far as 3d although i will say i didn't put much time in, lets say "needs further testing"
Yes I'm on PSC atm.
Alex
Ok here's the formula.
default score for Llano= 11856
result in fillrate multi texturing/11856 = % boost in the GPU clock
600MHz (default GPU clock) * result above = actual core
Here's how it works.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...ill%20rate.jpg
19167/11856 = 61.66% boost in the gpu clock ( value is 1.6166 )
600MHz (default GPU clock)* 1.6166 = 969 core
Please test with D (D9JNx) & F-die (D9KPx) chips if you have any.
They are supposed to do the highest frequencies at low voltage.
Regarding the GPU clock control in bios:
On retail chips (i.e locked) the adjustment is not even supposed to be working (upwards) as there is a frequency limit.
On A6-3650 chips it is around 457MHz and on A8-3850 620MHz or so. The only way around it is raising the BCLK frequency.
Downwards it should and it is working (on Gigabyte atleast).
Early Asus A75 motherboards advertised "GPU Boost" function.
Even the pre-production board I have has "GPU Boost" silk screened on it.
This was before Asus realised it is not working on retail chips and Photoshopped their product pictures ;)
It is still implemented in the bios code, but it is not visible or working even on unlocked chip.
Attachment 118712
Stilt other than actual posting KPT above 1600 what issues did you have? Timings needed i guess?
Side note, It looks just like the Gskill ECO 1600 SPD bug they had when they released them.
Stilt try this for me, stock volts ( 1.65v ) in my case, 7-7-7-21-28-110trfc set 1333 divider, up base clock to 130 and try that :)
Interesting stilt, I am running a retail release chip sent out as press review. So i can confirm that GPU boost is disabled for this chip in the bios from around 7-25-2011.
downclocking does work on the Gigabyte ud4h with release f4 of the bios. I did not test pushing it further up yet.
Ok stilt
The naked KPT passed 32m and epic fails 7-7-7, 8-8-8, 9-9-9 in 06 gt1, didn't bother with higher.
Attachment 118725
This other Corsair kit set uses some form of micron, other than that i have no clue.
Passes 06 at rated timings albeit 1.55v versus the 1.50 rated. 1.50 failed GT1.
Attachment 118726
Ok, thanks for testing.
I made a "calculator" for Llano a while ago.
This version is a bit censored, but I can send the "unlimited" version for you chew if you like to have it.
This is for A8-A3850 only.
Just order the Asus ASUS F1A75-M PRO and the A8-3850 combo. I will see what she does when I get the parts!
This is odd, OCZ claimed this set has same IC's ( weaker bin )
The 1600 7-7-7 bin is what failed. Possibly SPD is to tight for some timing which is why the set with looser timings is fine.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/stilt%204.jpg
Here's what the 8-8-8 do at rated volts.
If I pass the 1866 strap with a software OC in windows memory artifacts.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file..._stilt%203.jpg
Here's results from that corsair micron set.
couple diff timings and speeds.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file..._stilt%202.jpg
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file..._stilt%201.jpg
with OCZ (no only RAMs) are problems recently....
My D9KPT modules are identical to the ones chew has.
Crucial Ballistix customized for OCZ (OCZ logo on the PCB).
I aqquired some new tools so I will have a look if the interleaving modes and such make any difference.
You seeing what i'm seeing Stilt?
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file..._stilt%205.jpg
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file..._stilt%206.jpg
Wait what? 2560 and 2576 at 9-11-9-28, in AMD platform :shocked:
Seems about right, if i didn't have such :banana:horrible ram i wouldnt of been limited to 2d's at 170bclk :\ Nice chew :)
The ud4 seems to be such a superior bclk board right now
I was benching dual channel at 908.6mhz 9-11-9-27.
Sorry for being a n00b here, whats makes the single channel vs dual channel special, I know alot of ram out there won't run at 2400 as dual channel (atleast my set won't).
Ahh gotcha, I can Try it again in a few days, My ud4 is still drying out from insanity :D no time to run it tommarow. I'll see if mine does the same thing at 160, i didn't look to closely when i hit 160 just ran lin pack for a few then reboot and threw the multi higher. Though My ram will not clock as high as yours will and run on this platform.
whats the problem w/ the hyper?
For starters they are not my hypers. I haven't spent the time to figure out the voltages needed to get them stable at higher clocks. As for my GTX3's I killed one of them the otherday. When hitting 170blck due to a combination of lack of attention and lack of water proofing.
I wasn't talking about your memory actually, but I can't see anyone here using Hyper in the tests.
Ran some 2d off real quick just feeling things out.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/pifast.jpg
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/1m.jpg
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/32m.jpg
After seeing the 32m result I did some quick math..........very interesting.
Looks like AMD has a new LCC 32m competitor, now if only the damn things scaled frequency well.
1280 7-11-7 anyone :eek:
Just LSC and theme for now
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/LLC%20competitor.jpg
chew* you blew the competition out of the water mate - those clocks are insane. Grats :clap:
I hope we see such IMCs on the BaD boys too :)
Just posting in to say hello to The Stilt. It's been a very long time :D
Oh, and good work!
This is unrelated but are you using 2GB frame buffer size in the first pic?
Looks like the initialization of one of the DCT got skipped during post.
I bet if you had measured the memory bandwidth with AIDA64 or so you´ve had seen around 4GB/s drop in the copy performance.
If you manage to do it again check which DCT will be dropped and does it vary. If the memory registers are visible in BCS = DCT0 is enabled, if only in ECS = DCT1 enabled.
Asus boards atleast have an interesting way to handle the memory.
If I insert 2GB sticks in DCT0 & DCT1 plus a EMPTY PCB with 1GB SPD to the DCT1 channel, the system will boot just fine (!).
CPU-Z will detect the memory amount "correctly" (5120MB) but the memory management on Windows only shows 1.5G (with 512MB frame buffer).
1024mb is dedicated to GPU. 2048 not an option.
The rest is lost due to 32bit windows.
I think windows say I have 3072 total installed in the info center normally so 2048 physical minus the 1024mb is "normal"
Yah it's def dropping a channel if you boot it, if you use software it's fine, further more the drop is not even remotely related to stability as we can see by my 2d benchmarks, there was still headroom in memory, Just hitting a hard wall here that drops a channel right after 160.
This post has nothing to do with Llano, but this issue reminds me on my findings with ASUS Crosshair V Formula. There I have a very similar issue.
When booting high reference clock (higher than 345 mhz) with a 1100T and 4x 4 gb i lose memory. 345 mhz is fully stable with 16 gb, between 346 and 355 i can use 8 gb and at 360 i only have 4 gb. CPU-Z always shows 16 gb of memory but task manager shows the reality. The difference to your Llano-issue is that the post screen already shows the real value of 16, 8 or 4 gb. And I can also boot at 345 and change reference clock in windows without loosing memory again. This way I can reach 355 mhz nearly stable with 16 gb (prime95, crysis-benchmark - only linx failed with a bsod).
Is there something going on with newer chipsets?!
Chew 1280 7-11-7 is awesome.That memory is that?
Today i managed to get 150 bclk by setting almost all drive strengths to maximum.However i can't run anything in 3dmode,it just starts for a second and then it freezes.Just wondering,on air whats the average voltage in order to reach 150 blck for CPU-NB?I tried anything between 1.35 and 1.5 same behaviour.
I think i hit 150 at around 1.65vcore, 1.25fch, 2.6pll. I was at 1.8vcore, 1.30fch, 2.7pll when I hit 170 i think.
chew, amazing mem scores. do you have AIDA (Everest) screen?
and cpu-nb for 150 blck?
On most boards I have worked with currently and the APU i have in my possesion it doesn't particularly like CPU NB voltage changes. Changes to that voltage will yeild what acts like a hang before the login section of windows startup. So I have largely Ignored this. You will also notice that most of the time the system don't have that voltage enabled by default. Atleast this as been the case on all three of the motherboards i have in my possession.
No man,CPU-NB like IGP voltage,it controls mem controller also 6550D voltage,i doubt you leave it default,and in my experience plays a major role reaching figh blck meaning high vga clocks.
I guess there is something really wrong happening... if the mem is ok why would it artifact? maybe some wrong sub setting? If them can store any kind of pattern and bits w out problems (prime 95 and memtest stable) at 2200Mhz 8-8-8-24, why it wouldn t work? Can you test it better?
ther is no way to run it even at 1800mhz 7-7-7?
Yes I am doing something wrong.........this is my fist time ever testing hardware.
You should show us how it's done in 3d with hypers.
Anothers users experience with hypers.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=1#post4902470
No just repeatedly push the issue.......especially when more than one user is reporting the same, then make comments when not having tested it themselves that people are idiots and don't know how to test.
There is more than just one comment about it.
Hypers fail at stock
BS not possible
Hypers fail slacked
BS your testing wrong
Hypers are failing in 3d and not optimal
BS Hypers are teh best.
I can get them running on the 1:8 divider with the cpu at stock on the giga 3d stable, 1866 or any overclock = fail.
They are running better on the biostar, 1866 is good and very slight overclocking ( No more than 2000 ) I need to revisit it with that new bios but am testing the msi atm, will check both the msi and biostar again. Give up on the giga it's impossible, chew is right.
This is with multiple kits btw, kingston stt and corsair. They also seem to require more voltage than on other platforms.
I have noticed the same thing El Gappo, I have had to push the voltages much higher on the ram to get it to be stable. Let alone to even get it to clock to stock speeds. I first Noticed this on the biostar board, but it acted the same across the ASUS and jiggy aswell.
Stock volts and almost stock speed/timings for what has been referred to as one of the best damn sets of hyper around.........
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/qdig-file...m%20hypers.jpg
And then 3d at same settings.
3dmark 06 test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVx_Vr9px_8
3dmark Vantage test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7RncLsLmoM
3dmark 11 test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS7ycFSExj4
Now when I don't suggest using them for this platform you can understand it's not some grand conspiracy against hypers.........
My parts came in.. woot! Probably won't see anything fantastic from me, My RAM doesn't clock as well.
What kind of ram do you plan on running charged, you might be surprised how well some sets are doing.
Here's the AIDA results someone requested at 2560 7-11-7.
I refuse to pay for another key so the newer verion is just trial.
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/aida%201.jpg
http://chew.ln2cooling.com/Llano/aida%202.jpg
Just got my cpu and board in. Now I can try for my absolute best possible scores, which should be around 10% lower than Chew* :D
Which board did you get massman?
How will be good RipjawsX 2133 8-9-8 at this APU?
Cas 8 is 24 hours windows memtest(x4) stable at stock volts on 16GB of these Corsair XMS3 sticks. Nothing close to what I'm seeing on the flares, but not bad. Will push further later. One thing is certain, this platform sure makes memory clocking easy.
--Matt
Passing Memtest on Llano is easy ;)
Start 3DMark06 instead and make it loop GT-1.
I've not run into any circumstances where passing 24 hours of memtest in windows with one instance per CPU core yields anything less than complete memory stability, even on this chip. What memtest are you using where that isn't the case? I was playing DNF for hours before I fired up memtest, so it seems stable enough for me. Perhaps you're closer to the ragged edge of stability than I am at these current clocks?
--Matt