Corsair H70 picture - Released tomorrow? (updated)

first off my hoses are double lined 1/4inch thick and they don't kink. Ive had that system for over 6 years, still works like a freaking charm, no leaks, nothing, and u can buy chemicals to put in your water cooling system for dollars, i use anti-freeze if i really care to, maybe a few drops with DI water. If someone asked me I would build one, also my unit is exactly the size i want it, I've trusted it with over $10k of my own and $10k of review samples until i stopped, never let me down.

personally id buy a HSF before id buy that.... they sell those at best buy too, more convenient and smaller.

funny how someone who does reviews has no respect for a product they didnt even touch

It's also funny how corsair is not trying to tackle the ELITE watercooling market, and just offering a very nice convenient and easy alternative to somewhat rather noisy, bulky and downright dusty aircooling yet all the haters are coming out of the woodwork.

I have yet to see one of them come up with a non biased response to the fact that this can be installed in less than 10 mins and takes up far less space.

It takes way way over 10 mins just to bleed a 1337 water setup. I have 2 myself........great for my bench rigs.......but i have an h50 in my 24/7 beater.

Some people forget the fact that some people just want a PC to work and do so now, not later, not tommorow, not next week, not a month later after extensive modding.

Oh and i can tear my pc apart easy with this installed, no need to drain my loop to swap out some hardware.

Ive read reviews of the product from websites and people i respect, based on the improvements made i can make speculations. i'm just dropping in my opinion just like you're obligated to yours.

If it were priced at lets say 50-60 dollars id buy it, but anyone spending over 100 on water-cooling should get more bang for their buck, if a 100 dollar water-cooler cant perform as well as a cheaper HSF its just sad.

and what HSF beats it?

for example the noctua nh-d14. anyways im done, you wanna buy it go ahead.

I'm very impressed to see the H70 beat the biggest & baddest heat-sinks in the market! Definitely the ultimate choice for SFF.

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Originally Posted by chew*

It's also funny how corsair is not trying to tackle the ELITE watercooling market, and just offering a very nice convenient and easy alternative to somewhat rather noisy, bulky and downright dusty aircooling yet all the haters are coming out of the woodwork.

I have yet to see one of them come up with a non biased response to the fact that this can be installed in less than 10 mins and takes up far less space.

It takes way way over 10 mins just to bleed a 1337 water setup. I have 2 myself........great for my bench rigs.......but i have an h50 in my 24/7 beater.

Some people forget the fact that some people just want a PC to work and do so now, not later, not tommorow, not next week, not a month later after extensive modding.

Oh and i can tear my pc apart easy with this installed, no need to drain my loop to swap out some hardware.

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Amen to that but once again I'm going to re-iterate a point I made earlier; leaks are a common problem on watercooling but not prebuilts like these. There is no way that you can heatshrink the tubing like you can on these units and therefor most "legit" water cooling is at risk for nuking your whole PC. Once again I submit, anyone who has not had a catastrophic coolant leak to their custom setup has either won the lotto, been bitten by a shark, struck by lightning or is lying through their teeth. Its just not possible and with things are the way they are in terms cost for components I will not risk it again. I am sorry there is no way I'm going back to water again as Gautam put it so many years ago. There is only air and phase, and this is quickly replacing air as the favored method.

I will gladly eat my words when you show me ONE data center that uses "custom" water cooling as for-mentioned by previous posters.

To me a lot of what is going on here is a lot like the current HDD companies missing the boat on the SSD movement. I gotta hand it to Corsair for this, the fact that the H50 is on damn near every best buy store I see is a tantamount to its success, I cant say the same for folks like Xigmatek, Thermalright, Prolimatech and the like. The bottom line is that most of these air cooling vendors ought to see that air-cooling is a dead end because we have hit critical mass for size / effectiveness and I don't think we will ever get that back under control again.

People forget that we went from this:

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/images.../1135/1135.jpg

to this:

http://www.dansdata.com/images/coole...sk7sink520.jpg

to this:

http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/1069692412.jpg

to finally this:

http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...084617841l.jpg

For all the haters out there who proclaim how current aircooled heatsinks are better; sure but at what expense? Where the hell do we go from this? Cudos to Corsair for working with Asetek to bring us the H50 and H70 to bear, it'll be interesting who teams up with CoolIT to bring something similar to the mainstream.

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Originally Posted by Sentential

Amen to that but once again I'm going to re-iterate a point I made earlier; leaks are a common problem on watercooling but not prebuilts like these. There is no way that you can heatshrink the tubing like you can on these units and therefor most "legit" water cooling is at risk for nuking your whole PC.

I am sorry there is no way I'm going back to water again as Gautam put it so many hears ago. There is only air and phase, and this is quickly replacing air as the favored method.

This is a lot like the current HDD companies missing the boat on the SSD movement. I gotta hand it to Corsair for this, the fact that the H50 is on damn near every best buy store I see is a tantamount to its success, I cant say the same for folks like Xigmatek, Thermalright, Prolimatech and the ilk.

The bottom line is that most of these air cooling vendors ought to see that air-cooling is a dead end because we have hit critical mass for size / effectiveness that I don't think we will ever get back to again.

People forget that we went from this:

http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/images.../1135/1135.jpg

to this:

http://www.dansdata.com/images/coole...sk7sink520.jpg

to this:

http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/1069692412.jpg

to finally this:

http://www.overclock3d.net/gfx/artic...084617841l.jpg

For all the haters out there who proclaim how current aircooled heatsinks are better; sure but at what expense? Where the hell do we go from this?

Cudos to Corsair for working with asetek to bring us the H50 and H70, it'll be interesting who teams up with CoolIT or if they fade into obscurity.

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Water cooling has been around. It's not as hard as people think it is. I'm able to swap motherboards on my setup in about 10 minutes and I'm in a case with $300 custom water cooling. Beats an H70 anyday by far. But you can go a lot cheaper than I did as well and still blow air cooling out of the water. (no pun intended) :ROTF:

Now I would like to get on topic and say that the H70 looks awesome. Great for those that don't want to tinker with a water cooling setup. Although, the water in a proper water loop should be fine for up to 5 years...for most people.

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

Now I would like to get on topic and say that the H70 looks awesome. Great for those that don't want to tinker with a water cooling setup. Although, the water in a proper water loop should be fine for up to 5 years...for most people.

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C'mon you're really gonna say that? So you haven't:

Changed Tubing because of discoloring
Drained / Refilled Loop Coolant
Had a leak causing some kind of equipment damage?
...in 5 years?

I call shinningans

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Originally Posted by halfwaythere

So if someone's not falling for the marketing bull he automatically a hater. :) That a very isheep type of attitude. And to be brutally honest beside memory and very expensive cases Cosair has yet to achieve an icon status. Rebranding Seasonic psus, and tweaking Aseteks isn't really ground breaking.

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Ok so by your account then the rebranding that is done by memory companies that use micron or elpida based RAM as well as mfgrs like Asus and Giga-byte who make motherboards using reference specs provided by the manufacturer is in the same lot; ie not innovative? You really want to make that argument?

Listen I'm not here to aspouse the way people think one way or another all I am saying is look at things objectively. Atleast these folks are trying to push the market norm further and bring the cost of these units down.

Hell I remember when most of these pre-built units couldn't keep a Pressler Pent 4 below 80c and that was 4 years ago for almost $100, now we're talking almost on par with air cooled heatsinks in terms of price and slighltly better in terms of results or at the very least better compatibility.

People forget that top-down heatsinks were popular for a reason, what do you think your VRMs are doing with this tower heatsink overtop of them choking off airflow. Atleast this thing has a better profile to let you put fans near the VRMs.

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Originally Posted by Sentential

C'mon you're really gonna say that? So you haven't:

Changed Tubing because of discoloring
Drained / Refilled Loop Coolant
Had a leak causing some kind of equipment damage?
...in 5 years?

I call shinningans



Ok so by your account then the rebranding that is done by memory companies that use micron or elpida based RAM as well as mfgrs like Asus and Giga-byte who make motherboards using reference specs provided by the manufacturer is in the same lot; ie not innovative? You really want to make that argument?

Listen I'm not here to aspouse the way people think one way or another all I am saying is look at things objectively. Atleast these folks are trying to push the market norm further and bring the cost of these units down.

Hell I remember when most of these pre-built units couldn't keep a Pressler Pent 4 below 80c and that was 4 years ago for almost $100, now we're talking almost on par with air cooled heatsinks in terms of price and slighltly better in terms of results or at the very least better compatibility.

People forget that top-down heatsinks were popular for a reason, what do you think your VRMs are doing with this tower heatsink overtop of them choking off airflow. Atleast this thing has a better profile to let you put fans near the VRMs.

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I havent had a mishap in 6 years, changed water maybe a few times. Also the workmanship of mass produced already assembled water cooling can be done better, for the same price. RIght now the price for the technology is tooooo high for water cooling. But Corsair did make it simple and easy ill give you guys that.

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Originally Posted by Sentential

Amen to that but once again I'm going to re-iterate a point I made earlier; leaks are a common problem on watercooling but not prebuilts like these. There is no way that you can heatshrink the tubing like you can on these units and therefor most "legit" water cooling is at risk for nuking your whole PC.

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not true
http://www.gates.com/brochure.cfm?br...ocation_id=546
I use these at work. they will not leak but you will trash the tubing removing them

Just want to chime in that I also have never had a leak in about 5 years of custom watercooling over 4 different blocks, radiators, pumps, you name it.

*shrugs*

First of all I'm going to respond to the psu issue: just because two units share the same layout that certainly doesn't mean they use the same components. Don't be fooled into thinking Corsair is a charitable company helping out poor people. They're in the money making business and when you see a product based on a platform cheaper than the original you can bet your hard earned pennies corners were cut. Will you mind that when your rig is idling at under 100W? Of course not. But if you might want to push that psu to its limits you might find the answer for the cheaper price.

Secondly isn't water cooling supposed to be the quieter alternative to air cooling? I'd really love to see what the H50 can do with the H70's fans and I'm willing to bet its going to be damn close. Don't know why but I think a bigger rad with a smaller pump equals a bigger pump with a smaller rad when the same fans are used. Unfortunately there're always fanboys who will swear on their mothers the marketing claims are correct. And these days products sell mainly because a manufacturer says its better and not because it really is.

I do think products like these give a bad name to water cooling just like hdt heatsinks do that for air cooling.

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Originally Posted by sin0822

came to like 105 or something with tax, but i did a lot of modding, won a few mod contests here and there, and still have everything working to the max. If your going to browse these forums id think you want to get out there and do :banana::banana::banana::banana: yourself than to buy something half ass already made for you. idk just my 2 cents.

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Better yet, some people even make their own blocks, rads, and even pumps. People who is Xtreme like you is seriously hard to find.

It can't be said that everyone can do something you did, and that is the reason why Corsair had released such product. There are lots of people who needs simple setups like this, and this is the reason why it is being compared with air cooling setups.

I've had custom watercooling in the past . "never" again , too much work and hassle .
When i sold my watercooling for me good aircooling did it for a long time . Now i'm looking at the corsair H70 to get best of both worlds (best in terms of noise , cooling , installation , maintenance) .

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Originally Posted by Manicdan

its an idiot proof system thats been very well designed

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Very well said :up:

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Originally Posted by CrimInalA

"never" again , too much work and hassle .

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In what you call work and hassle many who use real WC find joy ;)

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Originally Posted by Erklat

Very well said :up:

In what you call work and hassle many who use real WC find joy ;)

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For some people, tinkering is part of the hobby. For others, tinkering is the step required to enjoy the hobby.

So, lets not hate whatever is not our type, shall we? I own a DIY watercooling system (nothing Xtreme, an EK Supreme, D5, 240mm rad, EK NB block and some tubing, reservoir and crap) and although I love its performance as well as its acoustics compared to what an air cooling solution can do, I find myself not changing some hardware here and there because of the hassle that the hole operation would cause me.

So, is WC worth it for me? Well, now that is mounted I love it, but I don't think I would follow that route again unless I'd went after full water. You see, its kinda stupid to only cool your cpu and make it less noisy when you have a GTX295 (or any other high-end GPU, you name it) that ruins everything else. So, for me It would be all water or an H50 or H70, because for its size is reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally easy to tinker with.

Of course, there are many people (specially here) for whom tinkering with the computer is their main hobby. Thats why they love to spend (In my case it would be time wasted) hundreds of hours in mounting and modding their computers only to end it and start another one... so, lets understand each others view and accept that not everybody uses the computer for the same stuff not needs the same things.

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It's also funny how corsair is not trying to tackle the ELITE watercooling market, and just offering a very nice convenient and easy alternative to somewhat rather noisy, bulky and downright dusty aircooling yet all the haters are coming out of the woodwork.

I have yet to see one of them come up with a non biased response to the fact that this can be installed in less than 10 mins and takes up far less space.

It takes way way over 10 mins just to bleed a 1337 water setup. I have 2 myself........great for my bench rigs.......but i have an h50 in my 24/7 beater.

Some people forget the fact that some people just want a PC to work and do so now, not later, not tommorow, not next week, not a month later after extensive modding.

Oh and i can tear my pc apart easy with this installed, no need to drain my loop to swap out some hardware.

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word. :clap:

I have quite simply run out of time to tinker with my system, and just got a h70 as part of my downgrading package, I will miss my proper loop, but the H70 will make life a lot easier i suspect when carting my system about

Don't know why but I have sneaking suspicion folks downgrading from serious watercooling are going to have a nasty surprise more so than those switching from a high end air cooler.

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Don't know why but I have sneaking suspicion folks downgrading from serious watercooling are going to have a nasty surprise more so than those switching from a high end air cooler.

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People are downgrading for simplicity, not performance. If it was for performance it would be an upgrade. If anyone goes from a $300 loop to a H70 they likely know what they are purchasing and how it stacks up.

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Don't know why but I have sneaking suspicion folks downgrading from serious watercooling are going to have a nasty surprise more so than those switching from a high end air cooler.

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how so?
the ability to overclock is based on the ability to remove heat. since DIY WC is able to remove insane amounts of heat, its built for insane voltages.
if someone downgrades from DIY WC to a H70, they shouldnt assume that they can continue to run things at 1.5v+ without having to invest in 7k rpm deltas and ear plugs.

if both systems are about .1-.2v above stock, i bet an H70 and DIY WC will get extremely similar results

factors: size/weight, noise, simplicity, price, temps, overclocking headroom, and warranty
each person should evaluate what they want from that list, and choose accordingly. every cooler has its desired market, and if someone dosnt know what they want, its easy for them to get the wrong thing.

Haha, dont worry guys, I now im going to have to scale back :P

I have just received my H70 today. However unfortunately I have no room to install it into my ancient Antec 1200. Got to RMA it for refund. What a shame.

What a shame dude. Looks like the gods smiled on you today. :)

Another review:

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/c...r_h70_review/3

I'm not gonna say it again but its really hard to trick the laws of physics. Too bad this hasn't stopped Corsair from trying. I hope for their sake at least one reviewer 'manages' to put the H70 14 degrees above the H50.

^ I never trust that website. The in the video reviews they guy always has a Asus t shirt on, even when reviewing motherboards ect. Also did he test in a case or on that bench behind him? With regards to the H70, no you cant bend the laws of physics, but i think it will make a great cooler in the small environment I have planed

there is something wacky with that review

an H50 as intake is doing better than the H70 with 2 fans, which leads me to believe the messed up something.
theres also no specs for what fans were used for other coolers and thus were comparing apples to mystery fruit

One thing I don't understand is why pay more for the H70 when the H50 seems to be equal or even better and all that really needs is a better fan. I mean slap a couple of Slip streams on an H50 and you're good to go.

one thing i dont understand is how a H50 can be better when they didnt spend time doing R&D for a worse product

2x the surface area for the radiator, and a better base.

i think ill wait for someone to do a review that didnt take 15 minutes

Dude smaller pump and a bigger rad versus a bigger pump and a smaller rad. Why would you assume the first one is better?

does smaller pump mean weaker pump?
EDIT: cause they said its better. meaning they did something different and tested it for better performance

whats with all this hate?

'They said its better' - thats precious dude. Calling bull on marketing claims equals hating?

Corsair must be enjoying the biggest community of gullible customers. :)

umm, stating negative opinions without any basis as facts is hating in my book

why cant you just wait for a good review before you bash a product?

^ +1 more evidence needed before going off the wall

http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/0..._first_install

Is this good enough for yall? Lemme translate that for you: the H70 with 2 fans bested the H50 with 1 fans by 2 degrees.

I think you'll soon owe me an apology because the fanboy attitude doesn't do you any justice.

try reading more:

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Parting Thoughts

Keep in mind that we have not used the proper install instructions for either the H50 or H70...

Again, a proper review is on the way that will follow the Corsair instructions....

I like the H70 and the H50 units. I think the H70s are going to be able to handle some bigger heat loads than the H5, but with our current setup I don't think we are pushing the units very hard.

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Don't get me started on the 'proper' way of mounting. Actually there is no proper way since pulling hot air from the case decreases performance and pushing hot air inside messes up the air flow and heats up the other components. You know as well as I do the H70 isn't going to beat the H50 that bad and its going to be left behind by something like the NH-D14 or HR-02 at anything from low noise to high rpm.

And in case you haven't noticed experienced reviewers have a more subtle way of saying that a product sucks.

Any shots of the internals of the block yet?

all i asked you to do was wait for a proper review
then you posted one you think is proper and i pointed out that its their introduction to the unit and are even telling people to wait for official results

what we know compared to H50:
2x the surface area for radiator
2 fans within package
400 extra RPMs on those fans

it sounds horribly impossible for them to mess it up, unless they somehow put in a pump too weak to push water fast enough to move 250W of heat.

and then theres the point that users can try to install it in various ways. i have mine set up as exhaust because my gpus vent out the back of the case, while i have clean air coming in right ontop of the cpu from the side of the case. if i used it as intake, i would be breathing in air from the gpus. buf if i had gpus with no exhaust out the back, i would use it as an intake. or i can try to install it on the front panel under my cdrom drive since i have so many open slots (i currently have 120mm fan there already)

and honestly how bad is it to have hot air moving across things like VRMs and RAM? the air itself is only a few degrees hotter, it sure isnt 80C air just cause the cpu is at 80C. hot airflow is better than stagnant air, since no airflow is 0.00 C/W rating, which equals overheating.

as for comparing to other HS/F, are we comparing similar fans? what if someone decided to buy their own? sure it adds to the cost, but it gives you qualities you may want to match your needs, of either silence or more power.

So in a nutshell what you're saying is there really isn't a proper way of mounting but its more of a 'whatever suits ones needs' situations. Would I be so very wrong if I consider the hardocp pre-test more relevant for real users because they depicted a real situation and not something Corsair tells you is right? I'm off for now. Maybe you'll get your wish for some serious testing until next time. :)

with a standard HS/F you have 2 ways to mount it, facing the back, or facing up. some do not let you choose that option at all, then you can change the fans to kinda be intake and exhaust, but your likely to just circulate the same air

with a H50/H70 you can do intake or exhaust in a few different positions on the case, or even build a shroud so its completely excluded from the same air your other components use. each option offers vastly different results and not all can be tested, and not everyone needs the same setup or cares to for some extra work for even better results.

even up till now, everything you say is negative, you couldnt even admit that you care to wait for a full test.

isn't this the review you have all been waiting for ?
H70 and H50 with dual fan

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25823

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isn't this the review you have all been waiting for ?
H70 and H50 with dual fan

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25823

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honestly no,

no internal shots
no flow speed tests
no comparison using non stock fans
on comparison of intake and exhaust in a good air flow and bad airflow case

i know i ask alot, but thats why we have many review sites and hopefully each will test a little of it.

they also noted in that review that the Noctua NH-D14 was too big to fit facing the back, and had to face it up. (is it really that incompatible with cases?, it was in a freaking Obsidian case)

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Originally Posted by halfwaythere

http://hardocp.com/article/2010/08/0..._first_install

Is this good enough for yall? Lemme translate that for you: the H70 with 2 fans bested the H50 with 1 fans by 2 degrees.

I think you'll soon owe me an apology because the fanboy attitude doesn't do you any justice.

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Corsair H70 CPU Cooler - First Install

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It is not even a review. Let's wait for a relevent review (or Vapor) before bashing on this.

lol at that hexus review showing intel stock cooler beating DH-N14 by a margin...

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Originally Posted by BeepBeep2

lol at that hexus review showing intel stock cooler beating DH-N14 by a margin...

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Actually the stock cooler with the 6 cores is pretty beefy, overclocked and underload it's listed as beating the H50.

This whole H70 buzz has been a eye opener in many ways, I might go high end water after all.

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Originally Posted by halfwaythere

So in a nutshell what you're saying is there really isn't a proper way of mounting but its more of a 'whatever suits ones needs' situations. Would I be so very wrong if I consider the hardocp pre-test more relevant for real users because they depicted a real situation and not something Corsair tells you is right? I'm off for now. Maybe you'll get your wish for some serious testing until next time. :)

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You must hate Corsair 0_o.

Just because the pump is smaller doesnt mean it's weaker.

Go stare at a Jingway pump for 3 hours then look at a Laing DDC and you will understand what I mean.

I sort of wish corsair would have went with 3/8ID tubing at least, it might have offered a few degrees or so. :shrug:

tub size is really irrelevant, the opening on cpu blocks is super tiny in comparison

my old TDX had a custom plate and i made it like the size of a uncooked grain of rice

as long as the tubing isnt super restrictive, its fine, which is why i wanted to know flow rate differences between old and new

If the pump is anything like that from the H50 (and according to Redbeard, specs are basically unchanged, only size is different), then the H70's pump is incredibly weak.

H50's flowrate was ~.2GPM....hard to measure the flowrate accurately in a hurry without altering (in this case, lowering) the flowrate. Was at the lower limit of what available instruments could measure anyway, so it wouldn't have been that accurate without a flowmeter meant for lower flowrates.

After my vacation I plan to test the H50's block as a block and as a pump+block, i.e., how it performs against other modern blocks when radiator isn't a factor :cool:

Honestly, that hexus review is one really bad one. I dont care how beefy the intel stock cooler is, but I have seen enough of air coolers to know that any of the top 5-7 will beat the stock cooler hands down. There is something seriously flawed with that data. What they are essentially saying is all people with the high end intels buy after market coolers to just get 2-3 degrees load difference????? Does anyone belive that?

Hmm I would like to see a good comparison between the H50 and the H70. If it's drastically better I might consider one. But the price is too high imo.

I would love to have this cooler on the Gigabyte H55N-USB3. Might get a sample today... we will see how she goes on 1090T and I7...

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

I would love to have this cooler on the Gigabyte H55N-USB3. Might get a sample today... we will see how she goes on 1090T and I7...

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curious about your results with X6 :yepp:

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curious about your results with X6 :yepp:

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what details do you want? i have an H50 on a 1055T

I was actually looking for H70 results from leeghoofd , but H50 results would be good too as a comparison .

how is your setup (2 fans? push air out of case?)
what voltage on the cpu and speed and whats the load and idle temp :)

at stock my idle is 26C (room is 24C) load is 38C
i use fan profiles in my bios to regulate that, so its 50% fan speed below 40C, and by 45C it would be running max speed.

when overclocking i was able to get up to 3710mhz on all 4 cores at 1.42v (265x14) and temps topping out at 45C, but would drop down to 43C and back up (it cycled cause of dynamic fan speeds). for turbo it was doing 4372mhz (265*16.5) at 1.60v

i might care to try higher, but due to multiplier limitations i can run into various problems, i cannot adjust my NB very easily, its stuck at 10x, and dont know if thats hurting me. i might try for 4ghz this weekend at 1.5v and let all my fans run max (i have 3 intake and 3 exhaust, 1 is the H50, and they all run at half speed except the fan that came with the cooler)

the temps you are mentioning are individual core temps ? they seem too low to be cpu temps , especially at full load and 1.6V :confused:

thats the temps i see in each core (and the cpu, they are all very, very close to each other) using occt or aod

my killawatt meter says 160W idle stock, normal voltage loads were around 250W and at 1.6v with 1-2 threads running was 330W (at the wall)
assume i have 85% efficiency for PSU and another 10% lost at the motherboard, 120W original load + (330W-250W*75%) = 120W + (60W), so im still under 200W cpu power

edit, btw with all cores loaded at 1.42v, im still using alot less power than 1-2 cores being loaded at turbos volts. i think it was about 295W.

Hardware Canucks Review

http://tof.canardpc.com/view/b24d191...5530ea42c1.jpg

You've got the wrong picture:

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...g/H70/dual.png

2 degrees worse than a Venomous X both equipped with the same fans. For the record I've found through testing that the Noctuas NF-P12 to be one of the worst fans ever considering the price. The fact is a 10$ 1200rpm Slipstream will outperform them on any setup.

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You've got the wrong picture:

http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...g/H70/dual.png

2 degrees worse than a Venomous X both equipped with the same fans. For the record I've found through testing that the Noctuas NF-P12 to be one of the worst fans ever considering the price. The fact is a 10$ 1200rpm Slipstream will outperform them on any setup.

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your looking at the wrong graph. all that graph does is show that the radiator needs faster fans to work optimally. ill do some math for you to explain why and hopefully you can give up this smearing campaign:

since the radiator is twice as thick, it has 2x better C/W than the H50 with unlimited airflow. as the airflow gets closer to zero, then the C/W gets closer to H50's. thats in a perfect world. in a real case a slow fan (like under 1000rps) will perform exactly the same on an H50 or H70, why, because as the air is moving through the radiator, it heats up and eventually reaches the waters temp, with a radiator twice as thick, it has twice as much time, and thus is going to quickly lose efficiency in slower speeds.

make sense? simple answer is do not put a slow fan on a thick radiator.
if this was an H50 with a 240mm rad, it would be a completely different story.

Dude so basically this is half decent with insanely loud fans? Why would you want to use something like this?

Until someone does a real apples to apples comparison between the H70, H50 and something like a Noctua Nh-D14 I think I'm pretty safe when I'm saying this is maybe marginally better than the H50 because it's using two loud fans. I'm still hoping someone, who obviously doesn't care about Corsairs marketing bull, will give the H70 fans a go on the H50.

if you dont need the extra power or noise, go with an H50

the H70 with medium settings is the H50 with max settings,
which was 74.4C vs H50 max at 77.1C, thats your apples to apples

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I'm still hoping someone, who obviously doesn't care about Corsairs marketing bull, will give the H70 fans a go on the H50.

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Marketing has nothing to do with it. That (IMO) would be a pointless comparison from an end-user perspective since you can't buy the H50 fan separately unless you look VERY carefully for OEM listings.

We have already seen that when equipped with the same fans, the H50 can pull ahead if high RPM units aren't installed due to the H70's thickness. That point is quite obvious. This does not however mean that the H70 is an inefficient cooler; it just needs higher speed fans to shine.

I would choose a good air cooler any day over these mickey mouse "water" cooling systems.

^reason?
not trying to judge, just wondering what your pros and cons were

Let me make myself clearer: assuming has nothing to do with real testing. If you would've used the H70 fans on the H50 than your argument would have a solid base otherwise its just an assumption.

Some readers might wonder how good is the H50 fan. The answer is simple: a lot worse than a 1200 rpm Slipstream.

http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/...50_scalare.png

Something tells me the H70 fans are just as bad only higher rpm. You see someone reading the graphs on this page might think the H70 is 7 or 8 degrees better than a Venoumous X. We both know thats not the case and you're misleading once again. Why don't you make separate graphs for every fan that you use and one for the stock setting, instead of including everytime the stock fans when you know the noise levels are different. I guess none is above the mighty dollar these days.

i ordered the H70 , let's see how it goes ^^

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Let me make myself clearer: assuming has nothing to do with real testing. If you would've used the H70 fans on the H50 than your argument would have a solid base otherwise its just an assumption.

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do i have to assume gravity dosnt work too? or is physics something we can depend on to work? understanding how the temps of the fins relative to the temp of the air, based on speed, is something i find rather easy to understand and assume.

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Some readers might wonder how good is the H50 fan. The answer is simple: a lot worse than a 1200 rpm Slipstream.

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i dont see a 1200 slipstream being tested (please point out that graph)
in the test with the 1300 noctua fans, they were 5C worse than the stock fans running 1600rpms (maybe those fans kinda suck for the fin density of the radiator, but work better on the venomousX?)

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http://lab501.ro/wp-content/uploads/...50_scalare.png

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not sure what fans are used in that chart, but ones that scale up to 4000rpm, or different fans were used (link please so i can read the review done) btw different fans are built for different speeds, if you buy something for 1200rpm silence, it wont bet the same as 1200rpm with high pressure. there MANY fan tests in the watercooling section that show how different fans at different speeds offer many different results. rpm is about the last thing people should care about, since noise to C/W is really where its at (and even then a fan might sound louder to you than the testing unit because of how sound travels through a case and other factors) selecting the right fan is an art. there is no black and white best option out there.

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Something tells me the H70 fans are just as bad only higher rpm. You see someone reading the graphs on this page might think the H70 is 7 or 8 degrees better than a Venoumous X. We both know thats not the case and you're misleading once again. Why don't you make separate graphs for every fan that you use and one for the stock setting, instead of including everytime the stock fans when you know the noise levels are different. I guess none is above the mighty dollar these days.

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why would someone buy an H70, then pay more and slap on slower fans? i would NEVER recommend an H70 for someone who wants a unit for a really quiet system. the H50 will be a hair worse at lower speeds, but save you enough so you can buy some really good fans for it too.

you seem to be trying to push the H70 into a market that works better for the H50, or expecting people to just spend enough to go custom watercooling.

The link you requested sir:

http://lab501.ro/racire/arhitectura-...ire-si-miracol

Its in Romanian use translators. The reason you're not seeing a great improvement between 1600 rpm and 2100 rpm is simply because the 1600 rpm Slipstream is a much better fan than the generic Tuniq 2100 rpm fans.

I'm going to ask you a simple question: why would anyone pay 100+$ for a product that only works decently at higher rpms when you can get a high end air cooler or even the H50 which don't require loud fans? What is the purpose of this product? So far I don't think its better than the H50 at similar noise levels and I'm pretty sure its worse than a high end air cooler.

Lets wait and see what CrimInalA's results show.
I'm always more confident in what one of the members here show vs other sites.:D

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Originally Posted by halfwaythere

I'm going to ask you a simple question: why would anyone pay 100+$ for a product that only works decently at higher rpms when you can get a high end air cooler or even the H50 which don't require loud fans? What is the purpose of this product? So far I don't think its better than the H50 at similar noise levels and I'm pretty sure its worse than a high end air cooler.

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- Space considerations

- Price (the H70 has already been on sale for under $100 CAD / $90 USD)

- Ease of installation

I do however understand where you are coming from but in all reality, I have yet to experience an overclocker / power user who was overly concerned about noise output. Heck, even most gamers don't really give two hoots about decibels since they are usually plugged into headphones or have their sound cranked anyways.

On the flip side of things, the H70 does perform very well in its stock form and let's be honest here: not many users will bother modifying it or the H50 with a different fan. They will "set it and forget it", confident that it will return excellent temperatures. And it will. :up:

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Originally Posted by halfwaythere

I'm going to ask you a simple question: why would anyone pay 100+$ for a product that only works decently at higher rpms when you can get a high end air cooler or even the H50 which don't require loud fans? What is the purpose of this product? So far I don't think its better than the H50 at similar noise levels and I'm pretty sure its worse than a high end air cooler.

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that word require is the only thing im replying to at this time (ill take a look at that review soon enough, thanks for the link)

if you used the exact same fans on both the H50 and H70, you should notice 1 of 3 things, and why

the H70 performs better: because the air can move fast enough through to make use of the thicker radiator

the H70 might perform worse: this is going to be near impossible, the only reason it would be worse is if the airflow is LESS THAN the H50. having a thicker radiator should not add any noticeable restriction, but if it somehow did, you would have to be running the fans really, really low for it to happen.

or they perform the same: because the air can heat up to match the water temp before it moves through the entire radiator, which also requires lower fan speeds. (my estimate is sub 500rpm for this to happen, but withing testing tolerance for probably up to 800-1000rpms).

the H50 is a very well rounded cooler, the H70 is much more of a niche market, but offers alot of the same great features (easy to set up, reliability, consumes little space compared to full WC), but you do have to pay a little more for those features.

btw dont think im trying to sell a H70 to everyone, its a very tight gap between just being happy with a 40-50$ HS/F, vs wanting to go full WC.

if i had to decide, i would have offered a 240mm version before rebuilding the 120mm version thicker. a 240mm would have lost ALOT of compatibility, but offer a good option for both silent, or great performance. while the thicker 120mm is only going to have a little better perf at same noise, or alot better but alot louder.

First off the H70 is performing well with the stock fans maxed out. I think most of the H50 owners realized the stock fan is, well, bad and probably replaced it or even added a second. You of course realize there are better, silent, more efficient fans than the ones Corsair bundled with their H70 kit. Assuming everyone will just accept the noise and not bother replacing them is wrong.

User reports are ok but can't really replace a professional doing his job. And for me testing on AMD has little to no relevance because of the wacky, untrustable sensors. No offence.

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First off the H70 is performing well with the stock fans maxed out. I think most of the H50 owners realized the stock fan is, well, bad and probably replaced it or even added a second.

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So they are going to go the budget route, spend $70 on a H50 and then spend another $20 - $25 on a pair good fans? That seems counter intuitive when you consider the price of a H70 is around $100.

i spent alot of time reading over the review at LAB501 and i clicked into the review comparing all the twin tower coolers. alot of good stuff, but some was a little laughable at times.

the NH-D14 is just F*ing massive, lol. until i see it in person, i guess it just wont really sink in. the surface area has to be 2-3x that of the radiator on the H70, and the price is not bad either when you think about the quality of fans you get with it too. (but honestly i would have like to see one fan be much faster with a high/med/low switch or resistor, no point getting the best heatsink around and be forced to run it silent)

i also would like to see a little more compatibility testing done, see how many motherboards or cases might run into a problem when trying to use either. the H70 is built for incase use only. it can run on an open bench, but honestly i think thats stupid and dangerous. (if it falls and takes the motherboard with it, dont need a gpu getting pulled out of its socket and fry everything). as things keep getting bigger, we quickly can run into issues with clearance. there was one test on here that already had issues with mounting the NH-D14 in a certain direction. people with a full tower might aswell go with full WC (unless they have 15 HDDs or optical drives), so mid towers is where its at for heatsinks.

I also ordered 3 fans with it :
noctua nf-p12
Papst 4412F/2 GL, 120 x 120 x 25 mm, 94 m³/h, 26 dBa
Scythe Slip Stream 120mm fan 1600rpm

and i got some other fans still in stock .

I don't know when i will receive my order though , but when i get it I will mount it on the back side to blow air inside my case (2 fans) . the top fan and PSU will be the only exhausts at that point .

curious how much my temps will improve compared to the hammer (which is doing a very good job tbh , but cant be mounted to blow air to the back of the case + its too BIG for my liking . I have a small case) .
and when improving i mean both motherboard/case temps as well as cpu temps .
I'm also replacing my psu with an antec truepower 850w at the same time , since my 560w just doesn't cut it anymore with the AMD overclocked to 4.2ghz .

Another one:

http://www.technic3d.com/article-112...pu-kuehler.htm

Same stuff: equals a high end heatsink running on quiet fans while the H70 is at full rpm. You can call me anything you like but that in my book is a fail. What do you think it will happen if you pair some loud fans with the heatsinks?

your lack of definition for "that" is making it really tough to know what your expectations are for a cooler that provides incredible numbers for its size.

ive said this quite a few times. the features for each cooler are not the same. you do not get an Hx0 for open benching. and you will probably have bad luck fitting some of these massive twin tower coolers into some cases. or if you want to exhaust all the cpu heat away from other components you can, or if you know your gpus will be giving your cpu bad air you can run it on intake.

i have never said the H70 should or would beat top end HS/F, but it does provide benefits for many different situations that a regular HS/F may handle poorly or not be compatible with.

please list your expectations so we can respond to them clearly.

The H70 is supposed to be competing with aircooling, as opposed to dominating it.

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The H70 is supposed to be competing with aircooling, as opposed to dominating it.

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The H50 competes with watercooling. The H70 should be dominating it. Otherwise, it would be so much easier for Corsair to make an Air Heatsink, and I bet it would sell more.

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The H50 competes with watercooling. The H70 should be dominating it. Otherwise, it would be so much easier for Corsair to make an Air Heatsink, and I bet it would sell more.

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Naww, if the H50 doesn't really compete with watercooling, as there aren't many units that fits within the H50's category on the market.

By what I mean to be watercooling, I mean the ones that are shown in the WC section on XS, the custom built ones. If to say that the H50 as a WC setup, it simply sucks.

Corsair did make aircooling heatsinks, but I don't think they sold well.

Quick and dirty open bench test:

Setup:

i7 980x @ 4000mhz (160x25) with 1.225 vcore.
Full load test (crunching WCG HFCC 12 threads 100% load)...
H50 and H70 both tested with the 2 fans supplied with the H70 kit @ 2000 rpm.

Ambient temp 21 Celcius.

Max core temp after 1 hour in Coretemp 99.7 x64:

H50: 59 Celcius

H70: 52 Celcius

Improvement?

Yes! :up:

Notes:

The hoses on the H70 are shorter than the H50:

H50 hose length 29cm.
H70 hose length 21cm.

The supplied fans are noisy at 2000rpm!

7C? Very impressive. I need one! :D

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Quick and dirty open bench test:

Setup:

i7 980x @ 4000mhz (160x25) with 1.225 vcore.
Full load test (crunching WCG HFCC 12 threads 100% load)...
H50 and H70 both tested with the 2 fans supplied with the H70 kit @ 2000 rpm.

Ambient temp 21 Celcius.

Max core temp after 1 hour in Coretemp 99.7 x64:

H50: 59 Celcius

H70: 52 Celcius

Improvement?

Yes! :up:

Notes:

The hoses on the H70 are shorter than the H50:

H50 hose length 29cm.
H70 hose length 21cm.

The supplied fans are noisy at 2000rpm!

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can you do us a quick favor and run the H50 using the H70 fans?

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can you do us a quick favor and run the H50 using the H70 fans?

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H50 and H70 both tested with the 2 fans supplied with the H70 kit @ 2000 rpm. ;)

Slight mistake: fans are running at 1980 rpm not 2000 as I thought....

Testing at higher vcore now...

thanks for the results Biker , much appreciated

does anyone know how much CFM the default corsair fans have ? I mean the ones which come with the H70 set . the H50 set has fans with following ratings apparently :

"consumes 2.2W when running at 1700RPM and has a noise level of 29.75 dB(A). The max airflow is 59.05CFM with a static pressure of 3.57mm H20. "

But the H70 kit fans can do 2000rpm , so they are different fans .
Anyone knows ?

wow so that 7C was with the faster fans (i just read what i quoted, you already told me the answer lol)
gonna be nice to know about what speeds are needed to notice an obvious performance increase with the H70

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thanks for the results Biker , much appreciated

does anyone know how much CFM the default corsair fans have ? I mean the ones which come with the H70 set . the H50 set has fans with following ratings apparently :

"consumes 2.2W when running at 1700RPM and has a noise level of 29.75 dB(A). The max airflow is 59.05CFM with a static pressure of 3.57mm H20. "

But the H70 kit fans can do 2000rpm , so they are different fans .
Anyone knows ?

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You're welcome :)

It says on the box the fans are 50 / 61 CFM @ 1600 / 2000rpm; static pressure is 1.8-2.3mm and 26-31.5 dBA per fan...

Has anyone seen a detailed drawing with the physical dimensions?

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Has anyone seen a detailed drawing with the physical dimensions?

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No but the measured dimensions of the rad are 120 x 152 x 48mm...

TEST 2:

Setup:

Open bench

i7 980x @ 4000mhz (160x25) with 1.2625 vcore.

Full load test (crunching WCG HFCC 12 threads 100% load)...

H50 and H70 both tested @ 1980rpm push / pull with the 2 fans supplied in the H70 kit.

Ambient temp 21 Celcius.

Max core temp (hottest core) after 20 minutes in Coretemp 99.7 x64:

H50: 62 Celcius

H70: 56 Celcius

Still looking good :up:

No more time for testing today... have to go to work :eek:

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H50 and H70 both tested with the 2 fans supplied with the H70 kit @ 2000 rpm. ;)

Slight mistake: fans are running at 1980 rpm not 2000 as I thought....

Testing at higher vcore now...

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OMG 20 rpms off. Epic fail!:p: Joking aside, thanks for the test. You provided more useful information than many professional reviews and 4 pages of forum posts combined.

I don't see whats useful at that vcore and those temps. For that amount of noise they better perform. Anyways waiting for someone who will really push the limits on an Bloomfield. Gultowns are known to run cooler at similar voltage. And use at least Prime for crying out.

Very true...

I will perform the same test on a 920 when I get back from work in about 7 hours... ;)

Biker, if you've got the time and a install of windows you don't mind BSD'ing will you find out if your D0 has a new limit when under the H70? If you can't that's fine, your apples to apples has been great so far.

Also, are there fans with the same CFM but quiter?

check the watercooling section, they have some really good tests for best fans for a radiator at different speeds and noise. high CFM does not mean high pressure, and it might have worse real airflow.

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Quick and dirty open bench test:

Setup:

i7 980x @ 4000mhz (160x25) with 1.225 vcore.
Full load test (crunching WCG HFCC 12 threads 100% load)...
H50 and H70 both tested with the 2 fans supplied with the H70 kit @ 2000 rpm.

Ambient temp 21 Celcius.

Max core temp after 1 hour in Coretemp 99.7 x64:

H50: 59 Celcius

H70: 52 Celcius

Improvement?

Yes! :up:

Notes:

The hoses on the H70 are shorter than the H50:

H50 hose length 29cm.
H70 hose length 21cm.

The supplied fans are noisy at 2000rpm!

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could you test with two fans at 1200 and 1400RPM please? I like silence.

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Originally Posted by Biker

No but the measured dimensions of the rad are 120 x 152 x 48mm...

TEST 2:

Setup:

Open bench

i7 980x @ 4000mhz (160x25) with 1.2625 vcore.

Full load test (crunching WCG HFCC 12 threads 100% load)...

H50 and H70 both tested @ 1980rpm push / pull with the 2 fans supplied in the H70 kit.

Ambient temp 21 Celcius.

Max core temp (hottest core) after 20 minutes in Coretemp 99.7 x64:

H50: 62 Celcius

H70: 56 Celcius

Still looking good :up:

No more time for testing today... have to go to work :eek:

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looking really good ;)
for those bashing the h50 and the h70 i'd like to see one aircooler to keep an hexacore (gulftown @ 12 threads) @ 56º C full load...

but hey, if you want HEAT maybe we should try it on one of those first dualies from intel, one 940 EE :P