I'm sure they blame themselves :brick: for not being able to shareQuote:
Originally Posted by aristidis
the knowlege ealier because their ''small'' minds can not think of anything other than usless hwbot points.
Thank you George.:up:
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I'm sure they blame themselves :brick: for not being able to shareQuote:
Originally Posted by aristidis
the knowlege ealier because their ''small'' minds can not think of anything other than usless hwbot points.
Thank you George.:up:
It's great that everyone has the mods now, but I got to clarify some things. The reason this bios has not been made available is simply due to Nvidia handing it out only after signing NDA, the same goes for some of the modifications. It seems that Marcus got permission to post them however so everything is ok now :) Unless some other people we actually respect a signed agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by kintaro
(This is NOT critizism against George, just the general opinion that NDA is made up exuses or bs)
OK, you had to sign an NDA to receive the mods, but you didn't have to compete in public league using confidential info. This is exactly why hipro5 is a legend and guys who knew the cold slow mod before are not.
+1 :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by G.Foyle
And there's always a "random person" who "found" the info and leak it...
I have one submission with 4x GTX 480 in Vantage at 1030 core, it's really a problem isn't it. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by G.Foyle
There are alot of unfair situations in overclocking, but having confidential information now is not valid for hwbot? What kind of advantage do you think for example hicookie has in that regard?
These are all bullshi(f)ts and you know it..... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
NDA as for the cold slow bug yes maybe(?) BUT NDA as for the rest of the mods?.....MANY had them (I didn't had a VGA till now) - DID ANYONE POST ANYTHING about them?...WHY NOT?...
Do you want to drive us crazy or not?.....Have YOU or ANYONE ELSE sign ANY NDA as for mods?....Ehhhhh?......
At least I know ONLY ONE DECENT person who DIDN'T post his mods, be afraid NOT to COPY ONCE AGAIN any of the other companies his precius work...and GUESS WHAT!.....He is RIGHT!.... :)
Insted of finding their OWN solutions (other companies) they JUST COPY other's HARD WORK and REPRODUCING it with - well - a "different way"..... Do you OR anyone else want to go deeper into this with more details?.....
These bullsi(f)ts all over have filled me up..... :mad:
That's not bs, Nvidia provided a document with most of the mods along with the bios, all under signed NDA. The CBB mod is directly from ASUS R&D. Anyone can figure out memory mods since the datasheet is available.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
You didn't Jon, but several others did.
I'm fine with that, as long as the person in mind doesn't pretend to care about the community, play the "tweaks should be shared" type of guy.
George ( Hipro5 ) there's an NDA about every stupid mod except the memory, nVIDIA bullies are trying to become even more annoying and hated.
However some people got the mods indirectly ( not necessarily from other overclockers ) and could leak them without getting in trouble, but they chose HWboints over the overclocker's spirit.
Mmmmmm?.......You want ME to BELIEVE that the Company named NVIDIA had procced moding their OWN VGA's?....Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
I know who you speak of Hipro and you are right. He used to share tons of un-believable info until it started being used. Sad really and I agree with his reasoning for not showing mods anymore. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
They released 4-way SLI only for extreme overclocking ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Now I know why the Xtreme 3D section has been so quiet over the past year, and why I don't see many of the legends around here anymore. I am going to start a new website:
www.xtremeNDAviolators.com
That's the corporate part of the overclocking game :(.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
But isn't this what we, as overclocker, want? For instance, the Clarkdale coldbug modification was found by Shamino, but not shared (guessing here ...) because other manufacturers would just copy it. But ... there was only one way to modify it. Does this mean that in a country where no Evga is sold, you cannot have coldbugfree Clarkdale? No, you should be able to buy another board, do the same type of mod and have nice clocks.
We must remember that this situation must be very difficult for the overclockers within companies who like to share information. On the one hand they want to do a favour to the community, but on the other hand they don't want other vendors just to copy everything ... :shrug:
Yea, I guess you're right on this...Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
BUT.....Think of it like the "nowadays companies" "forces" somehow their employs not to say anything about anything to public, to have the advantage of their own and keep it secret to a "closed circuit" among them....
THIS is the BAD part of the whole scene.....and guess what!.....This IS NOT the Overclocking spirit I've learned from others/olders/old dogs and I follow till now... :(
Go and ask an "old dog" O/Cer, his oppinion about the nowadays situation..... :(
MANY of them have quited by looking at the future ahead of them... :(
C'mon George, you've always been in the habit of withholding mods until after you got your scores done. (Not that I ever have had any problem with that, sharing them at all is generous of you)
Competition is competition, and when it's corporate competition it's especially fierce. Companies aren't out to help the community (nor should they be). When someone finds something out, it's their intellectual property. When it's in the context of a regular bencher in the community, it's up to them whether they share it or not. When it's in the context of an employee of a company, not only do they not have any obligation to share anything, they're more obligated NOT to share so as to not allow their competition to gain an edge. That's the nature of trade secrets and companies using them to their advantage. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's the basis of capitalism, but that might be stretching things a bit too far for the discussion at hand.
So in short, no to this:
Sucked to be you guys that purchased Fermis and were SOL without a cold slow BIOS, or if you bought a Gigabyte or MSI board before the CB mod was public, but no corporation has any obligation to share any trade secret with you, just because it hurts the community if they don't. Especially eVGA had no obligation to share anything with someone that purchased an MSI or Gigabyte board. These manufacturers aren't here to aid the community. It's a bit baffling that so many seem to think they should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
P.S. I'm probably not old enough for you to consider me an "old dog"...but I think I'm close...:p:..either way, I've just accepted that overclocking is nothing but a playground of marketing departments these days, and it's enough for me to leave this "sport" behind. There is no reconcilling this.
Gatman my friend.......You're growing up...... :D
And so are you...;) :sofa:
I've tried this bios today in 2003mark. I dont know why but I had a black screen every time in Trols Lair when I try more than 1110mhz core clock(((
You'd better be behind that sofa!..... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
Mods please delete Gatman's above post because it's OFF TOPIC.....Thanks.... :D
Black screen maybe due to OCP or OVP.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
Trolls are the WORST loading bench..... :)
I wasn't speaking about you, but generally about everyone who said "ok, I'll sign this".Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
Gautum I like to take a little larger look at things. In reality you are correct 100% about trade secrets and not making things public. The problem is that it is in the best interest of these companies to keep the community happy. The stupid cold slow almost had more than a handful of guys ready to "hang their hats". Loosing your customer base is never healthy no matter the market you play in. :) Sadly I think right now the companies are looking at the short side. If anything they should put the mods on their product. Not start showing it off via one or two people. That does nothing other than piss off the base.
There is nothing wrong with finding mods that you don't wanna share for other companies to get for free. What they should be doing though is making sure their product line has this "special sauce" enabled that no other company has. Just like the Classified. Shamino figured out how to make a board that could kill all other boards in the bclock dept. They made a product with some little known knowledge and capitalized on it. The base was happy for this too. :yepp:
Sadly I think these companies will never get it. I sure hope they do though.
same result...even with bz's no ocp biosQuote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
Are you guys freezing a bit your VGA's Mos-Fets..I mean heatsinks on them and some air blowing on them?.....
100% true !
when you have cherry chips , modification's infos , etc , Is it fair to submit your results in a public website like hwbot for pointing ??
example : a company hire ( or indirectly support me very good ) me for submitting a world record in 06 for example to advertise its new product . they give me 50 gulftowns for example for handpick a good one and many graphics to choose . that at situation it's not hard to break some records .
until now it's ok and fair. but after that I'll submit it in HWBOT RANKING for example and hwbot makes a news : "WoW what a record !!! "
it's not fair anymore ! that's the problem we've now . the problem is not manufacturers jon they're overclockers those want to show JUST themselves more and more and websites like hwbot who wants to gets more benefits .
if company wants to submit these types of results in hwbot and you and hwbot deny that what can company do ?
the difference of top league overclockers and hipro in this action wasn't just NDA limitation was they just DON'T WANT to share . ( company limitation is just an excuse in most the time . )
In before it was a man to man competition in hwbot and now it's manufacturers to mans competition . It's so clear that manufacturers power , support , ... are not comparable to a person who is an overclocking enthusiast and want to overclock for fun like before .
my mosfets(with alu sinks) are 36C with fan..drivers(no sinks) are 38C
Off course) I use masive radiators on mosfets and air cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
I try to freeze my card -76 to -90. Also I have made cap mods. And tried 12,6v to 1,35v vcore
I passed many times 1170mhz 1,2 tests but every time I have blackscreen at Trols((( Nature I passed 1190mhz. I think its OCP problem.
Do both GPU & MEM OCP mods.
i'm thinking mem ocp is kicking in really hard...kink has blackout(shutdown) mod..wish i could do it now..
i just ordered tools for removing it...it will be awhile when i get to remove those...
i'll try hard mods soon.
GTX480 is the wourst card I've ever benched)))
its the most power card i ever benched...i love it :D
the chil controller +driver+mosfets are also really good..no need for caps
Just imagine this card on an decent PCB ... can't wait for custom designs!
Yeah) Cant wait MSI GTX480 Lightning which can ran good without any mods
Caps is also helps stabelise line voltage on hight clocks)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hondacity
My card
http://s003.radikal.ru/i201/1006/df/5fde0d107bce.jpg
nice clean work...
i'm still guessing which motherboard that is...ehheheh
this mobo only for air test... oldschool)))
dfi lp nf4 sli?:D
Yes)
Do you use 2 PSU or if not, have you tried it yet?.... OR VISA-VERSA use one PSU?...
Ram OCP and OVP didn't hit me even at 1.73VRams with no mods..... :)
There must be something else.... :)
P.S. Please don't ask me how high did I got this card because I won't tell you that it does EASY 1296/1323 at ONLY -120*and 1.32VGPU and I STILL have to get it down to -190*C and more VGPU to feed it..... :p: :D.
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Thank you very much George, for bios, for the right words and for all work, you are a fantastic clocker and person ;)
Thats just way cool man. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
just a Legend can do this ;):up:
I use single PSU ANTEC TPQ1200OCQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
I never freeze this card more than -90, because it have coldboot at -70 and I need more time to try)
Do you insulate ALL the VGA?....Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
Nowadays Rams are cold bugging like crazy you know.... ;)
I used to put 3 or 4 layers of insulation tape and guess what did I discovered with the 5870 one!
NO INSULATION at all as for me for all new cards from now on...... :D
I just plastic spraying them a LOT - BUT A LOT - and I just put the LN2 pot on them and that's it..... ;)
When you fully double/triple insulate them, the PCB get's more freezed inside and the rams runs a LOT colder and they cold bugging.... :(
I encoded this problem yesterday during my tests at full LN2 -190*C and at core frequency 13xxMHz :D :p: when the PCB around the core took that white colour of snow :D , reached the rams and then the rams started cold bugging....
In such a case I have to put them on the mod I did as for the 5870 to warm them up a bit.... ;)
I'll retry it one of these days and I'll see... :)
Will try this pretty soon, thank you old timer :)
George is right. In fact, the worst thing you can do is use that kneaded eraser stuff ...
:clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
I insulate rubber eraiser all VGA exept PWMs and other power side... Also I use neopren)Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
What is plastic spraying?)
I try hard voltmod for Vmem but it is not help to much...
I checked Your new bios. It has bug with overclocking memory. Tried AburnerX and EVGA Presicion but it can't overclock memory. You need to fix it) Also I cached blackscreens in Vantage when core clock was more than 1110mhz.
Why? I use kneaded eraiser about one year without any problem)Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Because it's a very bad isolator. Cold spreads oh so quickly through the eraser ... it's making the memory coldbug.
+1 teammate having the same issue. any insight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
plastic spraying = conformal coating = acryllic lacquer
Is it like a nale polish?
Spray ConformalQuote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
http://www.mgchemicals.com/products/419b.html
Better go with Cramolin's Plastik, it's very good, and it's UV reactive, so you can check if the coverage is good with a black-light :)
BZ, too bad it's probably doesn't available in poland :(
yep :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
vga ln2 test :D
thanks george(hipro5):D
:eek:
that cpu is weak...
damn gpu speeed...nice
http://www.itwcp.de/contentcenter/co...odukte_en.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by FatAlbert
Contact them and ask for resellers or a direct online order.
But I think it should be available in electronics stores in Poland as it's a european brand.
George, I think it's going to be the first time that I found a better card than yours without going over 10 or so :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by tsan
Very nice, what card is that (brand)?Quote:
Originally Posted by tsan
palit:D
Well done George, 1320MHz :clap: That Palit card is for sure a nice surprise ;)
Vgpu and temperature? :)
Seems that the latest ABextreme version solves the issue give it a try: http://downloads.guru3d.com/Afterbur...load-2562.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
Killer card tsan, good work :up:
tsan wow what temps and volts! thats crazy :)
You did OCP mod I assume?
Im having issues passing 1.275v with OCP :( cuts out 1150mhz mid bench to no screen. Need some hot tweezers ;)
-130c 1,32volt gpu
thats super bin gpu :D
did you add capacitors onto it?
no only vgpu+vmem mod and hipro5 bios
Very very impressive. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by tsan
Hope you can get that CPU on LN2 next. :up:
:eek: oh god 1350 mom nature is good enough :up: good job tsan time to clock cpu +6.0 and u will see +141 :D
i peeded my pants :banana::banana::banana::banana: me
nice clocks dude
WOW :eek:
This is really really impressive tsan :up:
Damn, these are insane clocks! Superb job! :up:
Damn tsan, that makes u da man ;)
Very nice clocks, bravo tsan.:clap:
stealth
Ha, ha, ha....tsan you arss is biger that I though when buying hardware.....You're SO F(l)ucken lucky!.... :D
:clap: :clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
thanks BZ! ;)
nice card tsan;)
gtx480 is capable of 1400+/2800+/1400+
keep pushing tsan :up:
OCP done, holy hell those are small. hopefully will post some goodies tonight
Thanks hipro5
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jor3lBR
i have this problem tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Smoke
i can not overclock memory and 1.6 afterburner is not work too any Suggestion?
Use Hipro's BIOS #1 + ABE 1.6 and make sure you restart the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by BaRaN
Since nobody made it clear :p:
Hipro5's BIOS #2 has an issue that prevents you from overclocking the VGA's memory, use BIOS #1 and do the CBB mod Kinc showed.
So did this help lower the cbb?Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
ok!!!lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by benchzowner
in late... but ... TNX for sharing :up::up::up:
I did the kinc mod to perfection and now I have a dead card. Maybe bios #1 + kinc mod = dead card Idk? I advise not pulling those resistors off.
That's really bad Splave.
I did think to remove the resistors, but now i am afraid...
I did the BIOS #1 + Napalm's caps but i need OCP mod (memory and GPU)
I will short the 2 pins to CBB and test....
Still need more information about OCP mod
I did Kinc's mods and tried both of Hipro's BIOSes and my card is fine, although my results were not any better than before and I had cold isses (see Kinc's thread for more details).Quote:
Originally Posted by Splave
CBB worked great :) -85CBB instead of -50c :up: my teammate is CBB at over -110cQuote:
Originally Posted by rbuass
No one noticed what mods tsan mentioned he did? Test your cards before going all out with mods, you may not need them.
No issues here either with #1 + Kinc
yeah I needed it, with just CBB and mod bios 1 1150 1.2v max before OCP ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
:d:d
sick score man, congrats
haha Low Clock Challenge ?
Show us real power with the card at 1300+ Mhz on core and the cpu on LN2 !!!! :D:D
Go go George :)
WOW tsan, your memory is flyin :eek:
thank you sir