The reference 8800 gt is about 1/5th larger. Power consumption wise, the 8800gt's max power is listed at 105W. I would wager that the 5770's will not exceed 125 W, outside of fur mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Therk
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The reference 8800 gt is about 1/5th larger. Power consumption wise, the 8800gt's max power is listed at 105W. I would wager that the 5770's will not exceed 125 W, outside of fur mark.Quote:
Originally Posted by Therk
8800GT is 9" (230mm), the reviewed HD5750 is 7" (180mm).
65nm 8800GT draws ~80W at 3D, 55nm 8/9800GT ~60W. HD5750 should be 50-60W.
Nice to hear :up: - should also be a nice card for cGPU purposes as its processing power almost matches the HD5850 :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
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Originally Posted by MirageSys
Cheers. Possibly know how the 5850 compares to the 8800gt in the same stats?Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
Really nice performance for a little card.... if it is $150 or less, it'll be a nice deal.
Looks like it'll fit in many cases... :D
5850 has a TDP of 150w, same as 4870.Quote:
Originally Posted by Therk
Anandtech showed the 5850 using less power than a 4870 though... a good 20-35w less.
5850 is close to a GTS250, pulls ~10w more.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650&p=13
Edit- 5850 is ~9.5in
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...ew-crossfire/3
i think they started to include memory in the tdp.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
i have heard that they include memory in the tdp. that would make sense for explaining the 5870's power consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
watt? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
TDP is the total board power consumption, not just the GPU...Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
It has been like that for awhile.
smaller, faster and more power friendly ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Therk
... :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
Asus EAH5770 Voltage tweak :
http://www.mymypc.com/images/vga/mymypc-hd5770-1.jpg
Asus HD5XXX Family :
http://www.mymypc.com/images/vga/mymypc-hd5770-10.jpg
source
Excuse me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chumbucket843
The Asus cards look very nice... especially with the easy to use voltage tweak software! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
I am eagerly awaiting for these for my HTPC so I can do some gaming on it as well. It really is looking like it may be worth the $70 more for the 5850 though compared to the 5770 at $200.
Hopefully the 5770 will get much cheaper.... like $100... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula7
Nope, I'm guessing $179-199 since it should be around a 4890.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linuxfan
Edit- Whoops, reread what you said. It hopefully will drop a bit towards the end of the year, Dec/Jan.
I don't expect it to go any lower than ~$140-150 until Nvidia comes out with something to compete with it.
very nice, 1GB is standard!
So Nvidia'll need to price the 275's around $150? Harsh
You are probably right on the prices...Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
I like seeing the new gen's high end card's amazing performance... BUT it is really neat when your $300 deal of the day 4870 card from last year is matched by a new gen card that costs $1xx and supports the new DirectX... :up:
Of course I don't like the value of my last years cards going down... :rofl:
It will be interesting to see what Nvidia has to offer again like last year... ;)
i hope 5770 can clock. 5850 kinda let me down after people w/ 5870 are reporting 1GHz stable air clocks.
Wow, I am out of the loop. I'm glad to see there should still be a good swatch of mid-range cards.
I wish all the 5 series had standard power plugs on the side of the PCB instead of this wherever it fits placement.
Would someone help me... How fast is the 5770 memory? "T2C" it says 2.5gbps?
http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/505...ture106200.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/43m9u.jpg
I second that for sure, the non-upward facing 5850 would make me cut up my antec fusion case to fit it in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
when IS the NDA lifted on these things?
Yeah, I know a lot people will have mid-towers and are thinking about getting a shorter graphics card... and know what? It turns out to take as much space as the big 5870! Why did they do that? :confused: I like the side design... :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by 96redformula7
That chart says 2.5GHz, which is 0.4nsQuote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Thanks. So 5750, 5770, 5850 & 5870 ram should all overclock to around ~1300mhz? Jeez.
Oct 12 or 13th, haven't heard anything concrete.Quote:
Originally Posted by junkmonk
Depending on voltage, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaredpace
Photoshop fun! :)
http://i38.tinypic.com/33nxaq8.jpg
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Originally Posted by 96redformula7
I think its fugly where the power connector is on the 5850. It just looks out of place, power connects to fake vent(even says so in manual "power in vent") lol. Id really like to see a standard cooler design from the 5 series top down. It makes me think theres more under the hood when they all look the same. For the most part they look similar, but Im a detail guy and look for perfection. If you look at the market these days, even how the hardware looks can impact buying decisions. I know I try to make everything match my black setup and even pay more for things just cuz they black. Does it make sense no, but it looks tight!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Linuxfan
AMD has the performance/watt advantage. BY A LOT.
I'm guessing part of the reason these cards are somewhat underperforming(the 5870 SHOULD perform 10-30 better than the 4870x2 as there's no driver overhead and CF inefficiencies) compared to what many expected is due to power efficiency optimizations. That and poor drivers. I'm still saying that we can expect around a 10-30% performance boost in many apps if we just give it time.
Still, Specs are wrong a week before launch :/
You're the one who is being wrong. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
latest pics Bit-tech out there with 5770
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...deon-hd-5770/1
new one here PCB layout is DIFFERENTQuote:
Originally Posted by largon
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_i...hd-5770/10.jpg
I hope these live up to expectations, ideally at a £125 price point.
Wait so this means there will be no software voltage control?
think so... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gurusan
(you live near me ;)..)
i live just outside oxford, near wallingford :D
from bit tech
The radial cooler also has vents in the black plastic base to cool the VRMs underneath, but there's no heatsink to cool them and they don't feature the fancy software controlled digital PWMs of the 5800 series - these are the standard MOSFET style with large chokes.
yup i'm here studying but am originally from the states.
Anyway, that sucks, if I can't softmod them then I think I'll just shell out for a 5850
they're looking good, although, not beating dual 4850's good, maybe voltage tweak will fix that :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante80
stock cooler gives no cooling on the ram, where i wonder if the greatest performance increase can be had when OCingQuote:
Originally Posted by Helloworld_98
Looks like they pulled the story :DQuote:
Originally Posted by pr@$r1g
Slides! No 1120sp rumour though :(
edit: they pulled the story
so the 5770 is a 4890, with gimped ram
Lower power consumption, cheaper and smaller as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manicdan
wow what a surprise :rolleyes:
was referring to just performance. so those are some nice bonuses. i think will make a great upgrade for HTPCs, especially if they can get some without all that DVI crap, and a single slot cooler that can still be keeping it near silent. (but will probably be done by the 5750)Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
on a side note, i am very happy with the real midrange products, with the 4000 series and prior, you had the stuff for 300$ budgets and higher (4850+), or under 100$ budgets (46XX and below). now we see really good performers in the middle range that can play games very well, and not burn up any PSUs or wallets.
=newer chip. :D Its a good improvement IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by marten_larsson
They pulled the story from the page i posted, did any1 saved the slides.. ?
I have emQuote:
Originally Posted by JohnJohn
800SP boooooooooooo:down:
No reason to grab this over a 4890 really. They should of matched at the very least 4870 specs. Even a gtx 260 smokes this thing.
Hmm... I've see them bottlenecked by 3.75GHz i7 CPUs in some tests, so I think it is the platform that is the limitation not the GPUQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
Not while 4870s are still selling.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
Fake? Guess we'll find out on the 13thQuote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
this 5770 isnt woth more than 120$, they can keep it
No, thats no fake at all!Quote:
Originally Posted by initialised
Ur opinion isnt worth more than $1.2, u can keep it :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
So your saying this is a good upgrade over a 4870? This just a bait and switch industry. We give you DX11 and we cut the memory bus, the PCB, and also make a cheaper card to produce. Tell me where Im getting more for my money? This just like the i5 we make more, you get less senario.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
Maybe you should put your pitchfork back in storage until you actually see how the card performs? Just a suggestion.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
WOW, I was expecting $200 launch price. I will def not going 5850 then for my HTPC.
People who bought the 4870 recently are probably not the one's who will be upgrading soon. Those that bought 4870 when it was released will probably be looking at 5870 or 5850.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
Let's see how they perform before judging them too harshly.
I'm quite impressed, a teraflop of power for a little over 100 dollars, can't argue with that.
Im all for progression but it would be nice if they gave us more for our money instead of just basing next gen parts off the old series performance and price. Give back some of those 40nm fruits is what I say, or there is no real incentive to upgrade.
What in the world are you talking about? This is how the midrange cards have ALWAYS been - basically the same performance as the high end cards of the last gen. All these cards are of course based off the older architecture, but with refinements + added features like DX11 and what not. Considering you're getting DX11 + lower power consumption + more overclocking headroom over the previous cards for the same price, and most likely the same performance, they're priced right where they should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
You go buy the HD5870 then. Leave thse cards to us who care for something else than the max FPS in games.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
this looks to be very close to a 4870, same # of SPs, faster clock, slower ram. and at a price close to a 4870, but will also come with DX11 to make up the difference. this is an upgrade only if you want DX11 or have something lower than a 4850.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
factor in this card can probably play ANY game in the next year at 1680x1050 with decent eye candy, looks like its going to be super popular for people who didnt go for a 4000 card.
I'm sure you realise that HD4870 and HD5770 are two products aimed to different market segments, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
The replacement for HD4870, it's the HD5870... I don't think HD4650 was a good upgrade over HD3870, too.
The only thing that can save these cards is price. If priced less they can be a good option. It would of been nice to have a performance boost to at least make these more atractive than the 4850/70/90. Thats all Im saying. If I couldnt afford a 5850/70 I would still of liked to be able to buy a product better than the 4800 series for around the same price. If that was the case these would be golden.
There is a great divide between 5770 160$ and 5850 260$. We need something around the 200-210$ mark, maybe a 5830 with a 1440sp cypress core and 1gb 128bit memory interface. That would be GOLDEN! Enen a 1280sp core would be good.
Why in the world would any business do that to themselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
No one puts a product out there that is priced similar to a previous product but the new one performs substantially better.
5830 will be going into that hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
Where is it? That would be icing on the cake. Right now Nvidia is unable to compete because ati cards are so damn cheap to produce. A 5830 is a nail in the coffin.Quote:
Originally Posted by MirageSys
LE parts usually come out right before a product is EOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
The 4830 came out mid October of last year, about 4 months after the series debut. I would expect ATI to maintain a similar time line for the release of the 5830, so I do not expect it any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
They do have quite a gap in terms of price.
It would be VERY beneficial to Ati's buisiness to have one as soon as possible. They would have the entire market locked down! I wouldnt mind if it was a 5830 with 1100sp, just get r done!
Am I the only one disappointed in power consumption numbers? 108W max power for an 800sp 5770, isn't that almost as much as a 4850? How low do we have to go to drop the PCI-E power connector? 5650?
Brent from Hardocp tells very positive things about this cards so calm down imho you can be suprised from what you'll see .....
In reality the power consumption will be most likely < 100 W.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodin
HD4670 is the fastest from HD4-series which has no external power connector. It seems to be the same case with HD5-series, if there is going to be a HD56xx.
I would not be surprised if some manufacturers came up with plugless HD5750 with underclocked and undervolted core. It should be possible, but the odds are slim. There isn't market for such a card, but then again, ther are AGP versions of the cards aswell. :shrug:
well stock might be in nz today ~.^
why would a 5860 sell for ~50$ less than a 5850?Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
given the quality of the silicon, i dont think they will have a 1600sp card that was bad enough to turn into a 1200sp card, sure a small number might, but i dont know if it will be enough to make a whole new card. however they have to do something, and 1200sps sounds like a good idea (192 memory to fit nicely inbetween the 57xx and 58xx)
Yes you are. We are talking about 4890 performance, which has a 190w TDP and usually consumes around 160-170w gaming vs the 5770 with a ~110w TDP and will probably consume ~80-90w.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodin
I agree. If the RV740 would have gone to plan we would have seen a lower variant w/o a 6pin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Doh!, i didnt relize that the 5850 was below 5860, my bad. For sure a 5830 would fit the bill nicely. If they couldnt manage a cypress core with 1280 stream processors (2 disabled clusters of 160) from harvesting, I still think a juniper with 850mhz core, 800sp and 256bit memory would be perfect. The only problem is juniper doesnt have the ability to have more than a 128bit bus. So a cypress core would be the only way, which wouldnt be impossible. Im sure there just waiting for more bad dies to stock up before they can launch such a card, since the demand for 5850 and 5870 is so high right now. As soon as there is alot of bad cores lying around it will come, thats why the 4830 came out a few months after release. With the way the market is, the 5830 would definately hurt nvidia big time. Nvidia is lucky that 5830 isnt out, as thats the only thing keeping them in buisiness right now with gtx 260 and 275 being a little faster than 5770.
There still is a chace for the 5750 to work without the 6pin. If you put the card in the slot it still may work without the need for any extra power. It will only crash if it exceeds its power requirement I think, and if you clock it a little lower manually there is a chace it will be ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
A 5830 from a harvested RV870 core would definitely be a killer. Consider though that the Cypress chip costs a lot, and it will be used for no less than 4 cards (5850/70 and the X2 variants). If yields are fairly high, then it would cannibalize the rest of the series fast. And the situation is not analogous to the 4830, mainly due to the much higher cost of cypress.
I think that we will definitely see a 5830 variant in the future, but it will take some time for it to come to the market. They need both to stockpile bad cores, and give some leeway for the higher parts to get better margins. :up:
It seems as if the 1120 shader specifications are wrong..
HD5750 (cut down version):
700mhz
1150mhz GDDR5
720 Shaders
40 TMUs
16 ROPs
128-bit
HD5770:
850mhz
1200mhz GDDR5
800 Shaders
40 TMUs
16 ROPs
128-bit
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/994...5750_pa_tisdag
According to a source this site broke the NDA and has the actual cards at home to play with. Does seems kind of logical looking at the diesize of 180mm2... Remember there being a talk of a HD4890 replica with DX11? HD4770 apparently.
Smartidiot89
Huh? I think you mean
5750 and 5770
Edit: Thanks for the correction :)
yeah that's what i meent
@Smartidiot89: Look a page before ur post, ive postes the slides.
Asus Radeon HD 5770 Benchmarked
http://en.expreview.com/img/2009/10/..._hd5770_01.jpg
http://en.expreview.com/2009/10/08/a...html#more-5398
Redwood equal to 9800GT/HD4830 then?
were both thinking very alike in this. a 1280SP revision of their 1600SP core would be a perfect fit, since the ram would still be very strong. im wondering if they liked this path with the 4000 series. remember how many 4830s were really 4850s with 800SPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by To(V)bo Co(V)bo
but we dont know their yield rates, and these are much larger cores than the 4870s, and 40nm isnt being so kind. so given those two facts, a 5830 is hopefully not very far off
3dmark and vantage are useless for performance comparing..... but at least we know they will arrive very soon :)Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
that nda NA :DQuote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
So this is going to be slower than a 4870 when there's heavy AF? And it's about the same price? Don't get it.
edit: never mind it's gonna be slower than 4870 even without AF
dislike :down:
Should overclock better + supports Dx11 + lower power consumption. Hence the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by annihilat0r
http://en.expreview.com/2009/10/08/a...hmarked.html/2
This site has been spot on the last couple of releases, no reason to believe it is not legit.
My HTPC is craving the 5770 for some gaming action on the big screen :p .