Disgusting.
That's all I have to say.
One more reason why I'm not into this anymore.
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Disgusting.
That's all I have to say.
One more reason why I'm not into this anymore.
now what will he do with all of his time.
or what his new user name be
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Originally Posted by billdavis
First of all, I think it is good to get this out in the open so kudos to those involved. Just like with any sport, there will always be those who are willing to do anything to win. The olympics have doping and overclocking has Photoshop and tweaks that may or may not be "legal".
I think the main problem here is that there is very little organization behind the scenes which fits in perfectly with the fact that there are overclockers from around the world competing at any time of the day in a number of official benchmarks. Sure, there are the odd formal competitions here and there but in the end the legality of submitted scores will be judged by one's peers. That in itself causes a problem as these "judges" are the same people you are competing against and finding someone who can stay on neutral territory is very, very hard. It's like a US gymnast's routine being judged by the teams of other countries but that's the nature of the beast with anything community-driven.
We have all seen it again and again: people tap dancing around the subject of a tweak, final score or hardware for fear of reprisals from both the community and others. Because of this I am SURE that some people have got away with almost the same thing as OPB in the past and it will continue into the future as well. Overclocking is a sport governed by some serious politics and as with all political movements, there are some cases that are too sensitive to bring up in front of the public.
Personally, I think this thread should have been posted as a sticky and closed right away. Keep it up for a few days and then remove it since OPB is already banned and there really isn't a point in opening more wounds with a discussion about the who's, why's and how come's this situation came to pass.
we all should learn that healthy competition is good competition just take a look at 3d01 race! we like to see good scores, but we like to see it taken down too :D
Don't feel that way my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Because one person chose the wrong path doesn't mean that all do.
This is just a small slice of real life and there's good and bad everywhere.
Don't let it effect your love of the hobby.:up:
"I cheated and I'm sorry" is ok the first time.
The second time cheating is just plain urinating on those who participate clean (if these people even exist).
This isn't about a "fun hobby". There are sponsorships, money and personal reputations on the line with this stuff.
most likely he doesnt either:Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
-have neighbours to where he can connect via wifi
-have a lappie and use it in a coffee that offers wifi
-pay for a 5 bucks vpn or use a proxy..
of course he is able to do it!!!
F'him. I've been saying that for a while now. About time HWbot got this done.
onepagebook, banned, who? :rolleyes:
Let's be nice and as to HWBot, they handled this very quickly..:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
I'd guess 95% of overclockers do it for fun. They wake up in the morning, they go to work, they get 'er done, and they go home. There is no overclocking here. Except on some occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
As for the other 5%, well they live, smell, and breath overclocking. For those, this would matter.
It's fun to be competitive, but then you only have so much money...
He's lucky he didn't get beat up. Imagine beating somebody up for cheating while overclocking. lol.
I love reading how heated some of you are getting over this. Its the most entertaining thread ive read in while. Keep it up!
wow!!! i am glad it IS about the fun to most of us... :yepp::p::DQuote:
Originally Posted by zlojack
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Originally Posted by dsumanik
Wise words there Movieman :up: However, I just couldn't resist, and felt that I really need to answer to dsumanik regarding his statements ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
1) Dude, are you seriously putting software tweaking regarding benchmarking in question ? It has been done for live forever. I just can't distinctly remember when was the first time I read about tweaking in a Team Japan's thread, it was for sure though long time ago.
2) Someone at 5.7GHz suicide scoring a lot more in 3DMark is more impressive, at least for me. Actually from my point of view, that's the most fun benchmarking aspect I've spotted the last few years - there's nothing more fun for me in benchmarking, than tweaking, literally talking here. Chopping off your OS, hysterically testing more and more CW File Sizes or ways of doing CW, finding how to delete all svchost.exe's without the system rebooting in "1 minute" (:cool: :D), experimenting with CW/CDT/CDT-IV, going through registry deleting various keys/editing even more of them and competing in Low Clock Challenges works for me. I'm not going to even talk about 3DMark2001 SE, and how inspiring -from a software tweaking point of view- that benchmark is.
3) For you maybe ;) This is Xtremesystems though :)
4) Damn' I never thought of it like that. Next time when I'll play with some LN2 with the rest of the guys from Athens, I'll make sure to turn on Ethernet ports and onboard Lan features while benchmarking SuperPi 32M ... :rofl: Maybe I'll get some incredible gains, stabillity-wise :ROTF:
5) Damn' again. I wanted to put that in my sig, but I came in 5th, or 6th (I firmly believe that I wasn't the only one who was looking forward to something like that in his signature :D).
Actually these 3DMark calculation formulas derive from K404. It's a pity that he decided to step back from overclocking/benchmarking now that he is getting married :(, he is such an outstanding and passionate benchmarker :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by crio
Bill where are you my friend ? I haven't been able to contact you since early May. Are you really going to quit overclocking/benchmarking, that's why you've been so remote lately ? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
For most of us it is, but at that level you're getting into money and sponsorships and such. It turns from a hobby into a money competition pretty quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesBong420
I'm not even that into benching, though it's fun to watch scores and records go up there, but I find it strange that people are so quick to forgive someone who cheats. I guess he must be a really nice guy :yepp:
LOL, im glad my post struck a nerve....it means my words rung home with some truth.....i wish i had some LN2 to pour on my epeen like you and the boys in athens, but i guess I don't so ill just enable my ethernet drivers and upload a photoshopped screenie like everyone else...Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
(by the way this isn't an insult its a joke...but you seem like the type to flip a lid so i thought id add a disclaimer for you before a tantrum ensues )
Oh yeah, as for your tweaking is more impressive argument...you can still tweak in the exact same fashion, on the higher clocked hardware. Its getting the clock that is harder. And guess what if you manage to get it stable...well you can even be a super pi loser and turn on your ethernet drivers allowing you to flip someone like me the bird all the way from athens!!
...peace out homeslice!
:D :ROTF:
I'm really enjoying this, no hard feelings matey. :) :up: Just wanted to point out that there are some people who tweak the hell out of their systems when benchmarking in order to get the maximum performance in specific system clocks ;) Nothing illegal in that, thus the comparison with photoshop is not valid. Tweaking is acceptable by the overclocking community and when it's right it can lead to some outstanding results. Photoshopping can lead to some outstanding results as well, but a) it's not fun/fair, b) it's gay :D (regarding benchmarking of course ;)) and c) it's totally un-acceptable by overclocking community (and that's the way it should be).
George :)
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Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
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Originally Posted by dsumanik
I'm going to jump in here with a couple comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
1) Even though I don't "bench" once in a while I'll try something like 3DMark06 with my machines which I think are top machines and dead solid and then I see just how good some of these guys are as my scores look pitiful compared to theirs but I mentally put everything in it's proper place and have a good chuckle.
No anger, no jealousy, we just build to different purposes.
2) I think in this thread I might listen a bit more to what George O/C has to say because in this subject if he's who I think he is, he's a fairly knowledgable person.
not bashing you dsumanik, just saying take a breath and a little less of the sarcasm ok?
Thanks to both for reading..
Did you notice how most image-altering tweaks are not legit? That's partly because all the tweaks: nlited OS, OS choice, even LOD can be used in real world scenarios, not only for benching. I know people who play online games competitively and they need LOD tweaks to keep playable framerates. Most of the tweaks are not something you would use only for benching.
Yeah no worries movie...george and I both know when push comes to shove I really have no foot to stand on I because don't have the skills or knowledge to do what these guys do, and alot of innovation in our little world trickles downs from the efforts from the hardcores pushing things to the edge...which we are all thankful for.
I am just poking fun that some of the most impressive, hardest working, talented guys/gals on the planet..running extremely expensive custom setups well above speeds that us mere mortals can ever achieve....cant seem to check thier email.
No hard feelings george, or anyone else out there... I was just trying to provide some comic relief.
On another note, seriously though if it is becoming this hardcore of a "sport" someone needs to set up some sort of regulations or secure method for verification...if someone photoshopped thier way to third place I guarantee its just the tip of the iceberg.
What's wrong with os optimization?Quote:
Originally Posted by dsumanik
Trust me, run a VNC server on your bench machine and then watch it remotely. I promise you it will nail your score, because your CPU is busy compressing and sending that screen data to an remote guest. if you do it over the internet its even worse. plus VNC does not do video at all. play a stupid flash game remotely with VNC and you might as well have someone email you screenshots every 30 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by dsumanik
Wasn't OPB the guy that lives off Noodles so he can spend every dime he has on hardware?
My bad, just happened to read this and it was hard to believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
whats up with dilbert and all the Somalian pirates stuff lately? just in the paper today they had another comic on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ahmad
Well it seems like scotty gets hung up on ideas sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by roofsniper
I also think that he produces several when he has inspiration, and then posts them in installments. Just like his topper series.
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Originally Posted by BrokenWall
I believe it's fast from windows to windows machines as they have proprietry code that MS wont let anyone know the details of. This limitation to windows of course probably wouldn't sit well ;)
Then you believe wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumballguy
All the wrongs have just been righted, so I think the community can move forward now.
100% agree. Everything has gone smoothly so far, and I am glad to see that the members at Team OCXtreme are still keep pushing on and will continue the battle on HWbot.org as well as on the ORB. Big congrats to the spirit of benching to hwbot benchteam over at OCXtreme!Quote:
Originally Posted by MACMAC
Let us all go back to benching.
Big kudos also to the way that both the staff at HWBot.org and the staff at futuremark.com have handled this incident. :clap:
I read that on a wiki a few months ago when I was looking into doing it. Can't see it from googling quickly now. I might have the page bookmarked at home but I don't really care enough to investigate (unless I go back to the idea, I canned it). Of course, wiki is full of info but not always correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
:confused: don’t you just love wiki :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by gumballguy
even if you got some super secret Microsoft code, it is still so simple as the data has to be compressed and send. witch will take some of your cpu power no madder how you want to do it ;).
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Originally Posted by ahmad
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Originally Posted by gumballguy
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Originally Posted by gumballguy
Stay on topic or leave the thread. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by lookmomnobrains
lol, i love how some people are thinking really hard to try and come up with some explanation and some way that he didnt cheat and all his stories of MEGA SUPER SECRET CIA BACKDOOR HIDDEN MICROSOFT ULTRA tweaks are true :D
talk to microsoft... or anybody who knows about linux... yes, you can get a performance boost if you recompile the os kernel specifically tuned for the one app you want to run... but there are thousands of software engineers working hard to tweak the windows kernel and the hardware drivers as much as possible for 3D... what makes you think one single person could come up with a faster driver/kernel than those thousands of people with quite some frickin geniouses involved in it all?
sure there are tweaks to get an app run faster, but those can only do so much... there is a theoretical limit of how much perf you can get out of your hardware at certain clocks and opb has been notably above that several times in the past... there is no tweak that can do this... and if he knew such awesome tweaks then why did he cheat? he was at about the same clocks as everybody else, if he would have had a great tweak it would have pushed him above everybody else... oh wait, it did... but this tweak was actually a cheat manipulating the benchmarks :P
yeah, and join this group while your at it, yes i am a memberQuote:
Originally Posted by runmc
http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/...php?groupid=52
anyone see knightrider the other week? :rofl:
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Originally Posted by saaya
you have not clue what you're talking about :rofl:
I think saaya pretty much summed it up actually.
I just can't believe that one can be so impolite, what a rude behavior :shakes:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
Could you perhaps elaborate, come up with something that you can actually base your opinion on ? Or we're just trolling around here ? :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by KirkNash
:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
Omastar was shown the door.
wow, maybe he didnt see the RED name :rofl:
Update:
"Our response to this is basically disqualifying OPB from the Lords of Overclocking and removing all of his recent submits from ORB." - Futuremark
For all those who didnt know, this was not just a case of photochopping AM3 results.
:clap:
A big :clap: goes to Futuremark!
Was really surprised how fast Futuremark moved on this. Now, where is 3DMark 2010?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
the :banana::banana::banana::banana:?Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
im not sure about whats all been said in this thread as i have not followed the whole thread.
but does Hwbot have an ip banning system? or will he be able to come back under a new name with noone knowing.
IP bans don't work. For instance I have access to several hundred IPs I could use to submit results via library and work computers. We just have to stay vigilant and police the databases thoroughly.Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
thats what i expected the case would be just wanted to make sure.
Exactly. Not to mention that many people don't even have a static IP at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
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Originally Posted by Omastar
Fantastic!! :ROTF::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
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Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
Very cool to see Futuremark acting on this also! I would have assumed OPB himself would remove the results after he himself admitted to have cheated - but it was FM who had to do the dirty work.
There are already weird speculations on reasons, explanations and excuses for why OPB cheated - In my mind none of this matters - point is - he clearly cheated, and it has been proven beyond any doubts to the involved entities. He has stood up to the accusations and accepted the consequences. Everything else is just smoke and mirrors. Hwbot.org has clear rules that have not been abided by - end of story.
back to benching
I'm sorry if I sounded rude or overbearing on this request.:( It most definitely was not directed at anyone in particular. :buddies:Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
thank you for understanding :)
With that sig, pretty sure everyone forgives you :p
Just my 2 cents. OPB as a person to me in the past was extremely helpful with the original sets of team extreme ram, and I spoke to him personally great guy. I have all the respect in the world for him as a person and human being. But, I agree with HWbot and I believe he should be banned from any competion or public benching in the future. Not only do his results cheat with scores/teams/points but it leads people in the wrong direction and gives them false hopes regarding overclocking results. Cheaters never prosper. I am glad the mistakes were admitted and that all of this can just move away and be forgotten. He should def never be allowed back in the benching arena with the prominent benchers like vince, fugger, vapor, andre, hipro, gautam, etc. etc. sorry if I forgot anyone but you get the point. No cheater ever belongs in the same sentence with those gentleman.
i remember talking to people about him probably 4 years ago, if not longer. there were quite a few high end benchers back then that didnt trust him or his results.
hard to believe he made it this long really. great to see he finally got caught and will be erased from the high end elite overclockers
P.S. Hey Ron how ya been? :)
+1 :up: good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by dominick32
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Originally Posted by CCC
Hey CCC what's up buddy. Well put but what i find even more shocking is that the guy still expects people to take him seriosuly because he "apologized". IMO he's been hacking for years and deserves all the crap he gets.
You wanna be compared to real legends like DJ, macci, OPP, Randi, Holicho, Kyosen, Highwayman etc you gotta put real work in around here, boy.
It's surprising that a long-ish standing member of the forums (he was here for almost three years) gets himself thrown out just like that. :down: to him and :up: to you for keeping the forums clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Omastar had just come back from a long ban the day before and knew damned well that telling a Admin to STFU was essentially self-banning..Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
And the killer to me personally is that it was to Ron who is really one of the most laid back nice people you'll ever meet.. yea, he banned himself, Fugger just dotted the I's and crossed the T's..
Dave, go to bed before I ban you for the night. :cool: oh, and to keep it on topic, I'm still boggled as to why he did what he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
He did what he did because he wanted to be banned.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
Now what is this? You telling ME to go to bed?
I have kids older than you are!:rofl:
Bed time ~ the bell curve: the older you get, the longer you're allowed to be up. However, if you pass a certain age, you have to go to bed sooner.
I guess you're past that critical age, Movieman :rotf:
For years i got up every morning at 4:30am..Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
had to force it as my internal clock makes me basically a night owl. Now I sleep when I want, get up when I want..to a degree..
But your right on one part, the past 3-4 years the all nighters get tougher..age is setting in..:shakes:
I feel ya.. I'm 8 hours into my review of the EVGA Classified and I want to go to bed. My back aches, my eyes are droopy, and I need to change my diaper :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
*stern Dave voice* alright you hooligans, I think we've got off-topic enough :D
Alright you hooligans, I think we've got off-topic enough!:rofl:
Good night all!
Morning Dave :D
See how late it is? Even the Europeans are awake already :shakes:
Here in South Africa it's 10:30 already :D
4:40am in Atlanta :( Time to grab 3 hours of sleep and go to school :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
3 hours sleep, to go to school? rock n roll is truly dead :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] gomeler
when i was young, i would go 3-4 days without sleep, with the odd cat nap, inbetween lessons, look at me know !!!!!
signed: McDonalds Worker :up:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ine=1242762838Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
Yeah...:ROTF:
i swear i didnt mean that spelling mistake, just goes to prove what i was saying :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
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Originally Posted by saaya
Not defending anyone but you do remember performance bios where you could get way better 1M time? Initially nobody knew about it :)
And who said that similar bios/MCH bar/spd or whatever modifications cant be done? For example, mch editing were popular on 965 to get a boost. But maybe that was not all, maybe there is more. The fact is that many people don't know that. And as far as I know OPB had a good contact with Oscar Wu and we all know who he is :)
But will stress this again, I am not defending anyone here, just stating that there certainly are more advanced tweaks/changes that can be done.
Woot... then we have to congratulate him for P965 memory controller hub tweaking? :D I know quite well how this came on the scene, and nobody else was aware of the involved registers before this was shown publicly. The fact that Monteboy created an app that uses few of these modifications doesn't mean that the discovery came form OCX. There are certainly lots of talented guys there, but nobody from there is involved in this discovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
OMG kiwi do you have ANY idea who actually did the registers testing mate
:shakes:
put it this way it had nothing to do with Oscar nor OPB
Just so the record shows, a performance boost do to an IMC tweak that nobody knows about shouldn't affect the difference between frames per second and score for his AM3 post. OPB may know intricate details of in the bowels of the BIOS but the moment he posted a fabricated result it all went down the drain.Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
i'm not much of an extreme overclocker myself, nor do i know the OPB guy, i just love to watch at xtremesystems (pretty much a lurker more than an usually poster here) legends how they push the hell out of their custom systems beyond all limits, but anyone here cared to bear in mind this aquamark could be a bug rather than a fabricated score?
just thinking out loud, don't pay much of attention though as my knowledge at this matter is limited
Tell them example and they push you in the wrong direction :D I never said he invented it. In fact in my post I tried to avoid using any specific names and scores (obviously I had to omit last sentece from the 2nd paragraph).
What I was trying to say is that in general there are must be more advanced tweaks/changes that can be done and (almost) nobody from public knows about them.
That is something I would like to hear from hardware engineers. Probably it needs to go to another thread but then again, I don't think many will have anything to say :D
There's no such AquaMark 3 bug.
Period.
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Originally Posted by runmc
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Originally Posted by Omastar
:lol: :rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Omastar
Banned
you didnt...Quote:
Originally Posted by runmc
i dont get what omastars problem was :shrug:
care to elaborate or was "i rudely disagree" all you had to say? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by KirkNash
why isnt he banned, let alone lifetime banned like on the orb though? so basically if you cheat and get caught, the scores are removed and thats it? i can just do it again and hope it lasts this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
its not easy to prove somebody cheated, and unfortunately futuremark didnt spend enough resources on improving their cheat detection... i just hope they will focus more on validation in future :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CCC
btw, how about cpuz validation? didnt opb exploit a bug in cpuz as well to make his suicide clocks look higher than they actually were? is there any bench he didnt cheat in or exploited bugs?
hey QD and CCC, long time no see, funny to see how people show up again in this thread :DQuote:
Originally Posted by QuadDamage
and yeah, i totally agree... i dont get how people can pat him on the back for chosing to admit the obvious... i mean he was cornered, his only alternative to admitting the cheats would be to vanish and start a new username, and that would have meant to lose most if not all friends/followers and hardware mfc relations... so dont think that he did this cause he finally saw the light and realized what he did was wrong and will be a good guy now etc... no way... he did a 180 degree right there within the minute he was proven to have cheated, from IM A BENCHING GOD, KNEE BEFORE ME, to ohhhh im a sinner! forgive me! ill be a righteous man from now on!
actually didnt most people know it? cause there were 45nm chips before bioses were 45nm supporting so people benching with pre 45nm bioses and then realized with 45nm supporting bioses spi 1m ran slower...Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
the same on p35, x38, x48, p45 and even i7... and itll be the same on i5 too...Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
i know several people who have good contacts with oskar wu, and? hes a great guy and very very knowledgeable and probably the no1 candidate to be called a mainboard engineering genious, but so what? people seem to think there is some magic in all this, that there is something unknown and adventerous lurking in the dark of technology they dont understand... but there isnt! yes there are many ways to tweak performance, but if opb got his tweaking skills from oskar then how come dfi's bios isnt the fastest in several benchmarks and their boards dont clock the highest in several benchmarks? if opb got the best results cause of hints from oskar wu, then how come oskar wu couldnt use his knowledge to tweak his own dfi bioses and people would break world records left and right on dfi boards?Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
yeah, sure there are, im not denying that...Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
BUT, my point is, what makes you think OPB knows some amazing tweaks that get him ahead of everybody else?
so far everybody could say he was ahead cause of tweaks, even though most people felt his results were fishy at best... but now that he has been proven to cheat, in several benchmarks, and even admitted it... how can you still believe that he knows some special tweaks which gave him the edge?
if he really HAD and HAS such amazing tweaks that give him a big boost, then why did he cheat?
that plus the fact that in the past 5years or so of suspicious results from him NOBODY being able to reproduce ANY of his supposedly dozens of tweaks makes it pretty obvious that while those tweaks are possible, he certainly doesnt have them.
think of it the other way around, you spend most of your life to compete with other people to show off the products of your company, which depends on good results to sell their products well, yet you cant reach higher results than others out there... so you start to cheat, a little first, only when necessary... but its tempting so you go on and go on... but people notice there is something weird about your results, so what do you tell them?
its a special tweak...
what else could you actually say besides that?
and maybe it wasnt even his idea and just somebody who admired him came up with it defending him and said the same thing you just said, "maybe its a special tweak" or "im sure he knows so much about hardware that he knows special tweaks" etc...
if anybody still thinks opb knows some mega special ultra tweaks, his logic unit is malfunctioning :D
i think you just set the record for multi qoutes in one post.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
No I've seen Sascha posting much bigger posts, with at least 3 times the quotes he did here ;) :ROTF:
*HINT HINT* Athens Overclocking Event October 2007 :D
Submissions to ORB are pretty much anon, you can recreate an account no prob, very hard to moderate. Same for HWbot too;Quote:
why isnt he banned, let alone lifetime banned like on the orb though? so basically if you cheat and get caught, the scores are removed and thats it? i can just do it again and hope it lasts this time?
OPB might be back under an alias one day or other...
Fixed!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
And to say again to some who aren't reading the whole thread the Aquamark3 scoring is 1000 times your average frame rate and OPB was not. It is that simple so please look at the pictures HWBot posted and up near the top right you see the average frames per second, then look at his score. This isn't rrocket science guys, it's simple and staring you in the face.
What ? That's brand new information ! Isn't it a special tweak ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
P.S. Got 'ya ! :rofl: As far as Sascha's huge posts are concerned, let's cut him some slack :D, probably only x20 times :lol:
I just banned all the IP's within 100 miles of Malibu..Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
PS: Got'cha!:rofl:
No, no I'm from Greece :D Malibu's just a dream, I would really like to visit it sometime in my life :) Anyway, we're getting off topic :D So OPB cheated huh ? :ROTF:
yes, from what I've seen it's pretty clear that he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
Now to you; Greece huh?
Damn, your lucky..
I have friends there..
Don't want to shut down hipro5 and Gorrilakos!:rofl:
I've met with Gorillakos, Stelaras, Aristidis and lots of other guys :up: Haven't had the chance to meet hipro in person yet, but I hope that sometime soon we'll meet :) However, I'm not that lucky because they're kinda far away from me ...
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/1753/28826374.jpg
looks like a nice place to spend the summer months, and probably the winters as well..:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
ok, good night gentlemen.. Time for sleep.
Hey George....Crete is considered Greek???:rofl::rofl:
I'm glad you said that!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by giorgos th.
I looked and said since when is Crete Greece?
But if a Mick said that I might have one of you crazed Greek's hunting me down!..:sofa::rofl:
Of course it's Greek and it has been since 1913. When did we become independent and I didn't get the chance to hear it ? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by giorgos th.
LOL George, I honestly thought you knew that, please tell me you were joking. Crete is considered to be the largest island of Greece for crying out loud. :D
http://www.euron.org/images/maps/greeceX.gif
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Good night Dave :up:
Is any of this stuff? It's more like model rockets. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Of course i was joking....:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
What I don't get is why didn't he change the FPS, so that he never would have been found out. But glad he was anyway.
too much coffee i'm sorry if i sounded rude :)Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
*back on topic
being curious i have been digging extensely through a large bunch of results in the hwbot rankings and definitely this is the only one in which avg FPS mismatch with the final score, but looking at the top scores i wonder why should he wanted to generate an score if he had the hardware capable to perform that score anyway? :confused:
i myself compared the currently WR which holds Andre Yang, and it's a whooping 400k (insane man) but then i look close at the speed clocks shown in the screenshot and i realize those are pretty similar to what the Onepagebook dude had, i'm trying to come at why should you want to fabricate a score when you can come up with it straight off the shelf? :confused:
also, if he used a wireframe hack or some kind of exploid to undeliberately fake the FPS why the score is "within the clocks" , if you look at Andre's score you realize it's pretty much a doable score for the clocks, so what i try to come up is OPB's score should have been like 405k or 410k with a timeframe hacking tool
or are we talking about photoshoping here? and if that's the case why the man didn't care to do it right and match the avg FPS with the final score, and again, why photoshoping a score you can have easily coming off the shelf with a capable setup
in any case if the guy's been caught cheating he's well excluded from the competition :clap:, damn i would ship him out just for being that dumb at faking the score :rofl:
The answer is simple : Having the fastest hardware and highest clocks doesn't automatically guarantee the highest score. He may be good at SPi and clock twist arounds, transaction boosters and clock overcharges but he can't bench 3D for :banana::banana::banana::banana: or so it would seem. Just a guess. If you had what it takes to produce the highest score why would you wanna resort to using cheap hacks? Come on dude, it writes itself.
If i had to guess i'd say most of his scores if not all aren't legit - he got sloppy this time and forgot to "edit" the avg fps.
BTW, been long time indeed, saaya :D
that's exactly my point here, what i'm trying to figure out is what was the let's call it illegal trick he used which caused the mismatch, what i fail to understand is why the score wasn't out of bounds and it was indeed in the speed clock range he was atQuote:
Originally Posted by QuadDamage
doesn't the aquamark generate a html file which would tell the real FPS? did he provide that to the hwbot crew? this would rule out the photoshop in case the html file says it was indeed 397k, or it'd finally confirm the image was edited if shows the 392k one
anyway either one or another leads me to think it could've been a bug cause it doesn't make any sense for me otherwise :confused: