To introduce the i7 930 and 950.Quote:
Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS
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To introduce the i7 930 and 950.Quote:
Originally Posted by ILikeCosmosS
I think that it's more since that it cuts into their i5 or mainstream platform, but we can't prove either theory. I've heard roumors about the 950 for a while this is the first I've heard about a 930.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Well, i have been told intel has sent a letter to inform them of the 920/940 being discontinued, and it also mentioned it was being replaced by the 930/950. It wouldnt make sense for intel to cut these cpu's completely out, there are several motherboards at $179.99 msrp, i dont know it wouldnt make sense to me if this was actually true. Intel should have thought it out before introducing sucha powerful chip for so cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ
OK so maybe it's not as bad as I had originally thought (the line about the 950 being EOL-ed caught me).
So basically they are matching clockspeed of the slowest i7 part with that of the midrange core i5, the non crippled one @ 2.8 Ghz that most people are going to buy anyway. The probable line of reasoning being that allthough they are both priced the same they simply can't have an "enthusiast" part trailing the mainstream one in any shape or form.
If prices remain they'd basically be doing us a favour (well not towards those that already bought a 920 D0 :p:) if they hike a little to reflect the "upgrade" no biggie on my part either.
I'm guessing you're one who doesn't believe in micro-stutter in crossfire/sli?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
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Will i5 support ECC? That was the main reason I was interested in Nehalem Xeons.
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Originally Posted by gallag
= you
Go on, be like Chad Boga. Insult our moms.
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This is a mute discussion. They are being replaced mainly because the i7 950 line of processors are in a price range that allows the Lynnfield processors to take over where the lower priced Nehalem left off.
Difference to us? Minimal, we'll just buy LGA 1366 Xeons :D
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Originally Posted by Macadamia
Thats priceless
i like that ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
but know i think the 300 dollar price for the i5 is not mainstream (in my perspective that is )
but i can see why they did that(if they priced to low then noone will buy the core 2 quads/duo?200-300 range)
Yo mama so ugly she looks out the window and got arrested for mooning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
I'm sure your Moms are all MILFs. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
intel launched 950 and 975 at the same price as 940 and 965 to make 1366 mopre attractive, and to make more people buy expensive i7 cpus... i guess as of right now 90% of 1366 desktop cpus are 920s, and intel wants to sell more expensive 1366 chips. so they kept 920 and made 940 and 965 faster basically... that made perfect sense...
replacing 920 with 930 at about the same price makes no sense... they are about to launch 1156, why would they make the entry level, the most sold 1366 cpu, more attractive and hence make 1366 more attractive?
its like launching a 3.4ghz qx9880 775 before they launch 1366... why would you do that? your only going to make the new platform less attractive... its weird, i dont get it... :confused:
maybe they are worried phenom2 is getting too close to i7 920 performance? :confused:
and geez, whats up with you guys flaming snipe dog?
i heard that stuff from a lot of people, and its possible that phenom2 has a better balanced system request queue that results in a more steady frames per second... ive never seen it myself but i dont think its made up... remember when ht was new and people got flamed on the forums claiming that they FEEL its faster even though in benchmarks it performed the same or even slightly slower? same thing...
and windows7 feels faster too even though its the same or slower in benchmarks compared to vista and windows xp...
anyways, like i said before, xeons clock way better and intel wont be able to eol those or change pricing a lot, so theres nothing to worry about... this is good news for 1366, not bad news. its bad news for 1156 which will have an even harder time competing with 1366 now... and its somehwat bad news for amd, cause they will have a harder time catching i7 if the lowest cpu is a 2.8ghz and not 1.66ghz chip...
i expect everything in core i7 to dissapear except for 965 since its
Core i7 Extreme, 920/940 EOL is very possibal because its mainstream in its own product line [core i7] 965 being the high end
i expect them to use LGA1366 [i7] only for Extreme Edition Cpus hence is why the drop the weaker cpus and probably gonna add higher core i7 extreme edition [there are usually 2-3 of those in the entire market]
LGA1136 being a replacment for all cpus up to Q9650/E8600
and to the 920/940
eventually lynnfield will become mainstream-high end and i7 will be the extreme high end
but thats what i think, and im sure this is going to happen
You do know that 950 and 975 just(Or about to) launched and can be bought? And D0 stepping of 920 aswell?Quote:
Originally Posted by WaxCactus
I don't understand why intel is chopping the 920 since is their best selling chip unless is going to be replaced by this "930". They giving a green light to amd to lolpwn intel market share if this is true...too bad amd doesn't have tri-channel & sli/cf platform yet, if not would have been a ideal platform on price/performance...tho they are some cheaps X58 around now.
Who says they are? Specially when they just released a D0 version of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blacky
My sole thoughts:
Intel will seperate i5 from i7 drastically by making the i7 the "ideal extremist machine" while i5 will be the mass-produced gamers machine.
I like how they think, solely because they are seperating the market in a specific way.
If you are the average gamer and want something good enough to run your games, go i5, which will be similiar to the i7 920, except now they will prevent the conflict by discontinuing the 920.
The xtreme enthusiast, overclocking enthusiast, etc., will be able to go the i7 route and have the ultimate gaming machine, overclocking without limit.
I see it somewhat of like a BMW 335 and an M3. Both are excellent higher-end luxury cars, but the 335i has twin turbos and doesnt match up to the M3. Yes, you can mod the 335i (cheap - ~$300) to be near the power of the M3, but if you already have an M3 and spend more (alot more), you can make the M3 a raging almost-undefeatable beast.
Just small opinion. I never cared for the AMD / Intel argument, I've owned both, but the performance of the Intel processors on my Macbook Pro made me want to consider an Intel for my gaming machine back in December when I decided to build. That May be a stupid thing to go by but its what led me back to Intel. Doesn't mean I wouldnt consider an AMD for my next build.
I suppose this would make sense from a business angle, especially if i5s are somehow cheaper to produce. Anyone know if they're a new mask? Anyway, they've already started to establish the i7 brand among "power user" consumers. You know, the people who aren't exactly like us (enthusiasts) but aren't regular consumers, either (cheapskates). Maybe that's the plan. Turn i5 into the mass-market brand and try to milk those users who are going to end up paying more for their i7 systems since there's no more 920.
Of course, i5 is still going to be a nice chip so it's not all bad.
They are a new mask. Its impossible to make an i5 from the i7. (Its also impossible to make i3 from any of the others. Or the Nehalem-EX).Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
It will be little bit smaller but not much. 5% smaller maybe? QPI+1 memory channel removed and PCIe x16 +DMI(PCIe x4) added.
Not surprised said it before you cant have that many processor lines going at once. 775 and i7 should stay. How is i5 and i7 performance the same? I'm guessing P55s wont have sli?
http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Ma...ges=PD&seq=212
i7 920 and 940 aren't being replaced by 930 and 940, they're being moved out of the way for the i5. I agree with the other guy, this will improve things for AMD, not hurt them. 2.66GHz i5 Plus a motherboard that will cost from $159 to whatever, will make Phenom 2 and even better option. Because even the top $250 + $100 motherboard will make a it a better option IMHO! If the market goes the way it always has, this leaves room for AMD to raise prices on at least their top two models.Quote:
Intel plans to launch three Core i5 CPUs with frequencies of 2.93GHz, 2.8GHz and 2.66GHz and priced at US$562, US$284 and US$196 in thousand-unit tray quantities. All of them will feature a TDP of 95W. The P55 chipset will be priced at US$40.
No but they can do 8x X 8x CrossFire.
Yes, so it makes no sense to believe the rumour Intel will name Lynnfield "i7 800 series".Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
That name will be more suitable for a 3-core or, say, 4MB L3 cache harvested i7. But that didn't happen.
yes. asus i7 "WS" boards also support ECC if you put a xeon in them (as well as the supermicro/tyan etc single socket 1366 boards, not sure about other 'desktop' mobo manufacturers)Quote:
Originally Posted by THE JEW (RaVeN)
this news is for me coherent with intel policy, they are going to put i5 on the market, and by then i920 and 940 will be almost a year old.
To justify the difference in price between the two platforms, they will remove 920 and 940 and put in somthing like 930 and 950 (this one confirmed)
to have a coherent price scale.
hence high range i5 should be close to i920 in performance...
950s and 975s are popping up everywhere now, still no word on a 930 people speculated about here... :shrug:
it might go EOL and be replaced by an 1156 cpu... thats very likely actually...
but like i said before, why should we even care?
xeons will be around for a while for anyone who wants a cheap and good ocing 1366 cpu...
Intel Xeon UP W3520, 4x 2.67GHz, Sockel-1366, boxed (BX80601W3520) 250E... thats just 10E more than the 920...
You didn't look at the prices well enough. The fastest i5 costs more than 920 and 940:DQuote:
Originally Posted by herderien
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115201
I'd already said, i5 is the replacement for 920 and 940, not 930 and 950 that will cost more than i5. There might be a little Overlap.
Thats why I said I do not understand "if" this news are true lol and specially what you said they just released a D0 version of it...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Yeah, I knew that 1366 supported it (suprisingly ASRock makes one), but I was unsure if 1156 would. Apparently, Foxhollow is the platform I should be interested in if they make workstation boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollo
Everybody needs to stop freaking out. Seriously, the 920 is simply going to be replaced with 930 just like 940-950 and 965-975. Everybody calm down. This isn't a big deal. I'l repeat just to get the point through.
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Yea there is no way intel will get rid of the 920. I don't have any numbers, but just by pricing I imagine that 920s are the immense majority of 1366 socket chips sold. If they were discontinued, there would be almost zero volume of 1366 chips moved as well as x58 mobos.
But isn't that the reason why they want to discontinue it? Because it competes with i5 too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by cobra_kai
I also think people forget that each time they sell a 920. They also sell a X58. The more X58 sold the cheaper(read more profit) UP and DP server platforms and wrokstations aswell.
That is the reason! Since the cheapest i5 doesn't have HT, that makes it not such a good deal anyway. It's that next 2.83GHz that things are being cleared for. Nehalem hasn't been more than niche product since it launched.Quote:
Originally Posted by drizzt5
and you base this on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Odyssey96
there is no 930...
i agree that its no big deal tho, cause we still have xeons :D
i dont think thats a reason to keep the 920 alive and push 1366 over 1156...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
they obviosly make more money selling a cpu plus southbridge (p55) than they make selling a cpu plus nb (and a big one at that, x58) plus sb...
sb is on older nodes and hence pretty much free, so with 1156 they can make 40$ selling something they gave away for free before! its pretty obvious how much more money intel can make with 1156 and why they will push it as much as they can... if it takes 920 to go eol to make 1156 more popular compared to 1366, rest assured, theyll do that.
actually, like i said several times already, they will most likely move 920 from 1366 to 1156. so that means 920 is dead andwe get 2.66 and 2.8 ghz parts on 1156 instead.
again, thats for mainstream, we, overclockers, have xeons that cost the same, clock better, and actually have better turbo modes! :D
so who cares?
thats what happens when there is no competition :down: atleast they'd have included usb 3 and sata 3 for that $40Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
So hypothetically speaking if somebody owns an Intel Core I7 940 CPU and it's under warranty and it somehow gets damaged. Would Intel replace it with the 950 instead?
It would be your vendor that replaces it I guess. And you only get a 950 if they are out of stock with 940. So the answer here and now and the next month or 3 would be a big no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaxis01
i think they wouldnt have changed any of the tech... the only thing that would change with propper competition would be prices...Quote:
Originally Posted by geo
amd doesnt have usb3 and sata3 so why should intel add it?
tho i have to agree, its odd that sata3 and usb3 launch without an intel chipset supporting it, but with third party chips...
3 sockels by intel.. i was right anyway.. Ebay is next :)
930 is MIA when the 950 is out...
do xeons require anything special... i wanna get into core i7 but by the time i have enough money... they'll be discontinued... you think xeons would work just fine in a standard board?
Last I looked, the Xeons were more expensive. There was a dual-core Xeon W3503 that has 4MB of L3 cache that is included in HP workstations only. I saw the chip selling on Ebay for $140 shipped but it's only 2.4GHz, although it supports triple-channel DDR3 and HT for 4 virtual cores. I assume the multiplier to be locked at the upper limit, which would mean 18x (or 19x for TurboBoost), right?Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
All the other 1366 Xeons are much more expensive and they're all low in availability. The one that's similar to the 920 is hovering at around $330. The D0 920 can be had for at least $50 less, so why go for a Xeon? Better turbo modes?? Really?
Xeons are a lot more expensive here.
Thanks Intel, now I'm going to i7 half a year earlier than I would have liked. It looks like you won. . . against my poor bank account :p:
930 is only speculation.
and you forget that everytime intel sells an i5 CPU they make even more money on P55 than they do with X58 as the P55 is just an extremely overpriced southbridge :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
i doubt theres much difference in how much profit they make, X58 is ~20$ more expensive then a P55. (at least that where the rumors that where floating around somewhere)Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
no, UP xeons just work like normal i7.Quote:
Originally Posted by orangekiwii
Someone may have mentioned this, but I think 1366 socket processors with 6 cores are in our upgrade path for the future. Oh well.
Yea but they'll only be readily available for ~8-9 months before Sandy Bridge drops, making the upgrade before then pointless for any current i7 users. The slight boost to productivity is offset by the massive depreciation in value once Sandy Bridge drops.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirKronan
Sandy bridge is about a year away. And then you have Ivy bridge another year away. And then you have...Quote:
Originally Posted by kgk
See the point? Plus the majority dont upgrade their CPU only. But the entire platform.
Have to agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
I can't ever remember just upgrading my CPU.
It's the entire system or nothing, maybe at most I'll change the GPU or add another HDD.
I think that when the 6cores launch, people will buy. There's always a demand for more.
Absolutely and the price difference I heard was $10, not $20. Though no as advanced (process wise), the last gen North Bridges had a lot more hardware. I totally understand iX processors costs more but I think Intel is just plain FOS on Chip-set pricing for X58 and P55=P but that just me.Quote:
Originally Posted by generics_user
I agree and between Nvidia being locked out, it leaves us even less choice ( and I'd argue that Nvidia could actually make a decent i5 motherboard ; their old 939 chipsets were quite nice; read no northbridge )
I think I remember going to quad in socket 775 from a Core 2 Duo ... Made a huge difference with a mere CPU upgrade. Kept the same motherboard and everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by N19h7m4r3
There will always be something new coming out every few months. When there are major changes on all fronts of a build, it warrants a total platform upgrade, in my opinion. For example, with i7 we got an Intel chipset that supported SLI (huge for some people!), we moved to DDR3, we moved the memory controller on to the processor and gave it triple channel support, as well as crazy high speed capability, we have i7 processors now that overclock as easy as pouring yourself a glass of milk (maybe even easier for some). There were so many changes to each aspect of the system this time that it totally warranted a platform upgrade if you were on an aging 65nm Core 2 Q/D. When the 6 core comes out, if DDR3 is still the newest "bestest," at triple channel, and there are no new changes to GPU support, why not pop in a new CPU if it's going to give you a real upgrade? If they can make it show a tangible benefit in performance (as Windows 7 is showing it might have the ability to utilize) be a competitive price, and overclock the same or better than current i7 processor, then why not?
Now on the other hand, if DDR4 is there, quad channel memory, maybe the ability to run an ATI and an nVidia card in a multi GPU setup, or perhaps multi GPU Larrabee??? That would change things. I don't mind a CPU upgrade if the cost/benefit ratio makes sense. But if I knew a major platform upgrade was just around the corner, I can understand waiting for that, too. I'm just sayin' sometimes a mere CPU upgrade makes sense, especially if you're on a platform as high end as x58 that cost you that much money to switch to.
Then nVidia should have done like 97% of the rest of the industry and paid for a license. Only their cheapness is stopping them. Higher speed models are still a moot point while Q9xxx has ZERO problems not only running any app but also running two or three of them at a time (multitasking). AMD has to make faster processors later this and next year. For Socket 775, Intel doesn't. Socket 775 is faster and if you want something faster, then go with i7, i5 or etc... Again, I'm saying buying Q9550 is NOT a bad idea unless you're buying i7. Buying an AMD anything isn't better upgrade on their current platform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chickenfeed
Even if AMD ships a 6 core Desktop processor, you then become memory bandwidth limited as two channels will be split between 6 cores. I see AMD moving to 3 and then 4 channels for more bandwidth. Who here will still wan't their current board when that happens?
my amd 3 core has no problem multi tasking. crunching, gaming, and music at the same time is pretty damn good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Didn't say it had any problems and it is a pretty good processor. The problem cropped up when others suggested it had a better Upgrade Path, when it DOESN'T.Quote:
Originally Posted by stangracin3
There are two types of people on this forum: those that hang on to their hardware (even if only for WCG as a farm), and those that upgrade every month (ok, maybe there's someone in between there somewhere :p:). In either case, the upgrade path means little. If I buy an AM3 board, I can upgrade to a 6-core processor (maybe) sometime down the road. If I upgrade to a i7 board, I can upgrade to a 6-core processor down the road (maybe). Aside from some minor differences for extreme uses, your not going to upgrade your 920 to a 975, or your 945 to a 955. The performance difference simply doesn't warrant the cost. By the time the upgrade does become worth it, the processor most often requires either a new chipset or new power section on the board, etc. The 6-core processor possibilities are the only upgrade "path" of any value for either platform, and both have them coming up. It remains to be seen however if every board will be able to support them. At the end of the day, I don't think the upgrade path argument holds any water.
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by xVeinx
So Core i7 920/950 being discontinued is something that really doesn't matter
Great posts on this page. I think we all have the upgrade bug to various degrees.
940 has become 950. They are sold for the same price (even though 950 is a faster cpu):
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/6372/940950.jpg
920 will not go away because it is a success but let's pretend one second that it will go away. Then, just go and buy a W3250 they are the same cpu (actually W3250 is better because it supports ECC memory in case you need it).
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1911/w3520vs9203.jpg
Stop being bunch of drama queens. There is nothing to cry about it. Nothing will change.
QMFT!Quote:
Originally Posted by SamHughe
Is it just Intel trying to move a lot of i7 inventory before i5 comes around? Seems like a nice business trick; Intel "lol JK we're still going to be selling i7 until westmere" after million more are bought up in 2-3 months.
920 is the new q6600. ALL HAIL KENTSFIELD!
err cause they are forced to do so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
SamHughe, not only that, the xeons have slightly better turbo modes too, and they are binned better, so... even if the 920 wont go EOL soon, for overclockers it should be EOL as of now and they should buy xeons instead :D
wow this thread is making me mad, i will have a P6T and ram soon..