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That is actually a very good idea if he was doing it in composite he wouldn't need to patent it and barely modify it, since it wouldn't be like anything on the market and it could be produce by injection molding adding carbon to the composite and all the holes could be perforated after the injection with a hole dye.
It would actually cost about the same but would greatly speed the rate of production and if he was to do so, since the cost of the dye moldings is somewhat costly he would need to produce a few thousand of unit at a cost of 350 + or -. I could see thousands of people buying it.
I would buy it in a heart beat.
I honestly don't think it looks anything like a lian li or silverstone.
Looks quite unique actually.
id buy one, and id get all my friends to aswell. its a VERY nice case!
I Like it a lot, Its big enough for water cooling and everything seems to be in a good place.. The onlything I would do different is switch the two rads.. just my 2 cents..
anybody want this case to take in a HWlabs 560gtx and 420gtx?
i like them both at the bottom
About the only thing this case has in common with the TJ07 is the front rounded corners. What Lian Li case is this one suppose to look like? I just wish SilverStone or another manufacture would build something close to this design.
A lot of people seem to forget this is a conceptual reder to address layout and function of the case, not a technical engineering drawing showing every bolt and weld. Also, the exterior at this point is largely irrelevant with the exception of the vents, fan holes, and mounting plates. The rest can look like anything it wants to, so any similarity with any other case that could possibly cause worry for copyright infringement, could be changed when it goes to engineering designs.
At this point I see nothing wrong with the case. It looks to be superb !
Now, get this to an engineering shop to give you a structurally sound, and manufacturable state, and I will be one of the first in line to buy one. Excellent job Mick64 ! :up:
Silverstone TJ-11 maybe ? Id buy one if it was made, Might add a front door just cause i like front doors on cases to hide the bays.
As far as a front door goes, I would just prefer he made this case as more of a frame, that could have any of a variety of panels mounted on the front and sides to change the look as the customer sees fit.
Great job on the case design!!
Love the design I like everything about it!! I've been doing my own drawings on something very similar it's nice to see I'm not the only one dissatisfied with current case offerings especially for water cooling. Who really wants to hang a rad off the back with the PSU GPU and Case fan blowing hot air right into it or on the top of the case when that's where all the hot air needs to escape. That's why I like my STC CM Stacker with rad installed in bottom of case but pushing hot air into the case is still a compromise. I especially like the separate compartments perfect solution to avoid heat exchange this is what I dream of over and over again. Simply fantastic I want one!! and steel is fine by me.
I'm a free hand drawer and like to dream lately though my ideas have shifted toward the new Sliverstone Raven design with the i/o at the top of the case. Seem to me a this is a fantastic solution and with separate compartments at the bottom for water cooling and front for HDD's, I think you'd have something just different/efficient/effective/and attractive enough as to attract a major manufacturer unless you want to do it on your own. Mountain Mods did it. Bottom line you'd have to produce substantial results that put the other offerings to shame and I believe you'd have a shot doing so by getting the heat out da box like your doing here. The only thing I would change is a separate compartment for HDD's too with side to side air flow similar to your WC solution. This would eliminate all high heat producing components from sharing that heat produced by the mobo.
My basic Idea for the perfect case:
5 compartments
1-top hinged access w/240mm above i/o (completely vented) down scooped at rear for cable mgmt.
2- main mobo/optical with CM style blower
(with the mobo orientated i/o up top the blower to the right would blow right on RAM and PWM area nicely)
( I see enough room to the left for two EK tube style res. fill at top access to PSU/WC compartment Btm)
3- HDD 5 min. w/side to side air flow front case access so side pnl can stay in place for R&R quick connect not necessary but for one of the drives would be nice.
4- PSU/WC entire bottom
5- Control panel on/off/reset usb esata fan temp and lighting control all integrated
Side panel 240mm fan and clear view mobo compartment only
All within a 12 bay case size scale.
2bay I/O and Ctrl Compartments
3bay Optical
4bay HDD
3bay PSU/WC
Oh well a guy can dream hugh?
Thought you guys might like to know that I've had some interest in my case from a popular case manufacturer. Lets hope things go a little further.....
After having seen the Raven a month or so ago, then seeing this case, I was thinking it would be awfully neato to reduce the top radiator space to a 360 (instead of its current 480 size), then rotate the motherboard 90 degrees so the cables come out the back of the top cavity... this gives you plenty of room to plug and unplug the cables, keeps them from looking ugly in the back of the case, and you haven't hurt the case's cooling potential all that much, since you only lost 120mm of radiator, in an already radiator-heavy case.
The case looks sweet. I have been eyeing this thread for the last few weeks, jonesing for new renderings everyday. I by no means want to take away from the design (it is just awesome), but the front is somewhat bland.
I think the circular grill takes away from rest of the case. I saw a Audi R-8 last week and the front fascia was pretty amazing. Maybe tie some of the features of the frontend into your case. I think a quadrangular grill that stretches 1/3 up from the bottom might add to the case, something like a lian-li, but not orthoganol make it a little skewed. Also for the mesh maybe use something retangular, something different from the normal hexagonally packed mesh. The R-8 color scheme was a daytona grey pearl with a black grill and small chrome hightlights, very nice.
I havent seen any radiator pictures in the thread, but from the looks, this is only a single rad on top and bottom? Would it be possible to double the rads?
Do you have an email?
Double the rads ? Do you really need more than a quad, and triple radiator ? Are you trying to run a mini nuclear reactor in this case ?!
Actually aluminium composite sheet (two aluminium sheets with a polyethylene core sandwiched in between) is readily available.
Antec uses this product quite often on their cases.
Regarding "borrowing" design ideas, well... That is a fantastically grey area. I don't see LL taking SS to court over the "curved" case design... :D
I must admit, I quite like the design. However, being realistic, this case should be in the same price bracket as the LL V2010. Probably higher due to lower production runs.
And on the subject, I can't think on any other companies but LL and SS that have the tooling and the experience/expertise to pull a design like this. Antec probably has the tooling, but I don't know to what extent they would be interested in such a "niche" and premium design.
Still, a good effort. The MM Pinnacle does all what this case does, and it does it well, but your design is certainly more aesthetically pleasing (at least to my eyes).
Just a quick reminder as to what all the fuss is about. LOL
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...se-mkII-19.jpg
the real deal about the design of this case is using it for liquid cooling.
But if you want to take this case in the comercial league, you had to re edit the front of the case and the top chamber.
Making a hole on the top part of the front so you can fit 3 more 5.25" drive Bays.
One more PCI slot is need for certain mobos to run Tri-Sli (the classified one from evga).
Radiator supports have to be modular so if you dont want the extra rads you can put 2 drive cages for lots of HDD.
PD: srry for my english
PD2: my other idea is to take out the top chamber, and make the case just enough tall to fit a quad radiator on the top part: Ex. Cosmos S
Actually, I would probably add one or two 5" drive bays below the current ones, with a modular
HDD bay that can be installed in the top or bottom section of the case, as well as a little mesh
behind the hole the in the motherboard tray where the CPU is.
The reason I think the extra 5" drive bays would be handy, is alot of people use fan
controllers with watercooling, they can take one or two, and one may be used for
a reservoir also. This doesn't give you any room for IR receivers or optical drives.
But seriously it looks awsome!
So where can I buy one? lol j/k. Lovely case mate, I just looked at the pics and didn't read the forum so did you build this yourself?
I was thinking the same thing. If you turn the top into a 360 rad, you could fit the 5.25 bays in the top chamber giving it the desired external bays. Or the space could be used for HDDs by those who want more storage. This was why I was wondering about double rads. So you could have a triple loop system.
Mount the top rad horizontally on the roof and pust some more drive bays, the always come in handy. Also having it horizontally i believe is better since you may get some tube blockage like that and there is clearly no reason to put it vertically since it will occupy too much space.That way you can actually have an extra PSU and extra HDD bays ;)
Also try to use aluminum, it is more lightweight and easier to handle.
I love your case and I enjoyed reading this thread to see the progression. Here are my suggestions (which, of course, you can disregard because let's face it: Everyone is a critic):
1- To solve the foot problem, why not go for hourglass design like they do on high-end A/V equipment? It works wonders on hardwood/ceramic/flat floors and it would give it some more style (i.e. http://www.edesignaudio.com/hourglass.gif)
2- Is there any chance that you can push the design towards something silent? I’m thinking extensive use of rubber and possibly even air-filters to keep the dust outside.
3- Maybe I don’t quite get it but it looks like the PSU area is made for a top-fan PSU while my current one is bottom-fan (my tj-09 has a bottom fan grill). I’d need to mount mine upside down and I’m thinking it would push warm air into the case. Is it possible to make the stand-off a grill and another hole/grill in the bottom part?
4- For the radiators, I love how that would work out. Let’s just make sure that a ½ID / ¾OD tube on straight or (at most) 45degree barbs would “fit” with the pre-cut holes in the divider.
5- As for the pump area, is it possible to make pre-cut holes to fasten the pump? Mine is currently on a pad that isn’t fastened but I’m thinking some kind of vibration dampening system could be made on this tower to help reduce the noise and make it even more pretty :P This could also be made for two pumps (I mean, at that point, what’s an extra 4 screw holes with soft plastic threads…)
6- I don’t think you need to extend the case even more than it is. Triple SLI is fun but really, it accounts for a minuscule amount of configurations these days (with double dual cards being the “norm”). I think that if anything, you should try to optimize it to reduce the dead space as much as possible.
7- For the backplate, a standard “enthusiast” setup would be 2x dual slot video cards, 1x single slot audio card, 1x esata/usb ports card and possibly 1x light controller. That means that with 6-7 holes, you’d have plenty. I know some folks will say that they need more for raid controllers, tv capture and whatnot but then they probably can re-arrange their cards to make it fit, or buy another case. There has to be some limits to a design at some point or else you’ll end up with a case like Homer Simpson’s car lol
On a side note, I was thinking how cool it would be to have either a detachable motherboard tray that “snaps-on” with some kind of locking system (clamps?). The Silverstone sliding trays are a decent start though.
Finally, I’m thinking that since this case is geared towards water-cooling enthusiasts, might as well go all the way and add some funky stuff to the front panel like a small gauge for GPM, a reservoir front-view or maybe a fill-port at the top? Something to give it some STYLE!
Keep the good work going :)
Wouldn't mounting the radiator horizontally, and shrinking the case, force you to remove the divider between the motherboard/drive 'chamber' and the top radiator 'chamber' ? This would force them to share heat, and disrupt the straight-through airflow created with the front and back fan. I rather appreciate the idea of the separate chambers that segregate your heat sources.
I do like the idea of at least cutting the holes in the front of the top chamber to allow 5.25" drives to be mounted up there, because it would allow you to put the (already shallow) fan controllers up there and still keep a quad radiator. Most Fan Controllers I have seen aren't more than an inch or two deep as long as you remove the cd-drive-sized tray they come with. I am not sure of the feasibility of putting the necessary mounting brackets up there for the 5.25" drives though... as they would prevent a quad-rad from ever being installed properly, and block the airflow to the fans. Also this would add even more to the cost of the case... I'd say this is a bit of a toss-up... cost vs more 5.25" bays... I'd still prefer the cheaper case, but I do understand how others would appreciate the bays.
Once you stack shrouds and fans on the radiator, you would end up with the same height compartment just to sneak some air into the fan.
Add another mark for people who would buy this if available.
If the price could be kept under the $400USD area I would seriously consider picking one up as soon as they are available. I do think however that only 1 optical drive bay is required, 2 is probably safer for other's needs.
^ likewise if I decide to delve into water cooling :rolleyes:
Yeah, I actually use 2, but I put my fan controller in backwards so I don't need to see the ugly display on the front of my case.
I just hope this guy can possibly get it fabbed, cause I am now very interested in getting something like this. With screw slots not holes so it can accommodate any rads of course.
I have designed it to have a single 480 at the top and a single 360 at the bottom, but there is plenty of room for double that if you were to go for a stacked rad configuration.
I have been thinking about adding one or two 5.25 bays at the top. Now that I have extended the depth of the case, it would be possible to have a couple of shallow bays for a display or fan controller, but not drives and still have room for the 480 rad.
Adding another PCI slot would not be a problem as I have extended the height of the case to allow more room around the motherboard.
As I've said before, this case has been designed for liquid cooling not as a server case. With the huge capacity of HDD's these days, I'm sure 4 is adequate.
Thanks for all your ideas. Just like to point out that, as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), the fan on a PSU blows air into the PSU enclosure and vents out of the back. This is why there is a hole above the PSU, to improve air flow through the case, so yes; you would mount your PSU with the fan pointing up. Also, although it's not very clear, I have designed the motherboard tray to be removable.
Again, thanks for all your input.....:up:
I'll check when I get home to be 100% certain but I think you are right because dust tends to build-up under the case, which makes sense the way you explain it. In that case (pun not intended), disregard my suggestion for the upside-down psu ;)
Also, the more I think about that case, the more I want it. MAKE IT HAPPEN! :D
Made a few changes/refinements, incorporated some suggestions. What do you think? :cool:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...se-mkII-20.jpg
way to go.
PD: usb and microphone jacks should be on top (easy access)
What if I put the ports in a 5.25 sized panel and added a shallow 5.25 bay at the bottom. That way you could mount the ports in any of the available bays, top, middle or bottom, or omit them if you preferred. Of course, the case would be supplied with 5.25 blanks to cover any bays that were not being used.....
What are the actual dimensions for the case ? and how big are the chambers ?
jw
Ninja
Just to clarify, the dimensions are:
Width = 230mm
Height = 625mm
Depth = 680mm
The rad chambers are approx. 135mm each, and the main chamber is 345mm.
There is room for a 480 (120.4) rad in the top and a 360 (120.3) rad in the bottom together with a long PSU if required. The motherboard tray will accept an extended ATX if required. The HDD rack will accept 4 drives. There is enough room between the motherboard tray and the HDD rack to fit two pumps and two reservoirs.
Yeah, for those who put their case on the floor, this would be a disaster if someone were to accidentally step on anything plugged into that panel on the bottom.
I think making it modular/customizable is a great idea. Mock it up ! I just hope it doesn't make the case too pricey.
As for other suggestions, I just thought of something...
Would it be possible to move the PSU to one side or the other ? It seems like right next to the PSU would be a great place for pumps/reservoirs/gauges/SSDs/whatever, and the more room available there, the better !
definitely go with the modular idea. Many people use fan controllers or other such panels which have USB/audio support on them already, and it looks silly to double them up. Personally I have no use for them so I would be putting in a blanking plate.
What are the chances of ever being able to own one of these? What steps are being taken to put it into production?
I'd move the hard drives to the bottom, then make a shroud to fit the front fan to a PA160. Do stacked radiators up top like they do in the bottom of TJ07s
You have the buttons on the right side of the top 5.25" bays, why not use the left side for the USB ports? Looks great though.
your original design was 10x better , it was more sleek and sharp looking at the front
A 480 and a 360 would be sufficient to watercool everything you could get into the case.
Plus adding another mount for a rad would just add clutter
Mick64 I would also like the modular idea for audio and USB, because I usually remove them anyway, saves on cable managment, and yer, alot of fan controllers have them.
Made the changes to the front panel, as mentioned. What are your thoughts on these renders?
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...se-mkII-22.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...se-mkII-23.jpg
To Others,
Manufacturers been copying others for years. EX: look at the Antec 300 and the NZXT Air Flow King, the reviews for the Air Flow King, they said we can see where the inspiration comes from (Antec 300). I don't think he has to worry about copyright infringement.
To Mick64,
I'm not saying your copying. You know I like your design.
Mick64That bottom render looks superb.
I think that's fantastic.
Ya its looking great with the modular panel. You have some people that want it up top, other people on the bottom, other people don't want it at all. This way you please everybody without any major design changes.
I would be putting 2 stacked swiftec triples at the bottom, and a huge (feser) quad up top. That's some serious cooling power to be fitting it all inside a tower case. Great work!
I have a suggestion to improve the look of the front fan. You should shape the edges of the grille material so that it sits flush with the front face of the case, instead of being recessed. Its hard to explain in words, but, do you know what I mean? It would make it look more OEM and less modded, giving it a much sleeker look.
I've given the grill idea a go, but I'm not sure that this would be easy to replicate in reality...:shrug: Let me know what you think....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...ox64/Grill.jpg
I love the case, but I think meshed front (like the MAC PRO) will look better IMO.
i liked it when the power buttons and front panel connectors were next to the 5.25 bays it looked more clean
i dont really mind the modular design that you added
Wow thats a awesome looking case :clap:
Ya! the grille looks great. its not difficult to manufacture it that way, they just 'punch' the shape into the material, by slamming it in a mold. It didn't turn out very noticable in the render, but in person it will be a different story.
people might want two psu bays so if you make the psu you bay vertrical then you can fit two power supplies with only little increese in height
This was suggested on the Liquid Cooling Thread. These were my thoughts....
The case is wide enough for two PSU's, but I would have to increase the height of the bottom chamber and, therefore the height of the case, to allow for the width of the PSU's which I don't want to do. Also, IMO, it would be detrimental to the case air flow as well as making the bottom chamber extremely cluttered....
Here's another render with the side cover on, with the flush grill.....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...e-mkII-25s.jpg
This is really good stuff right here. I wish I could have a case designed by you!
How about a square fan grill? As suggested by Eddie3dfx....:up:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...e-mkII-26s.jpg
A lot better, it goes with the side grills.
I WANT ONE!
Who likes white? :cool:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...e-mkII-28s.jpg
Ooh... what about a mix...
Black with white mesh or vice versa? :)
(Or Black with Silver/Chrome and Silver with Black if the white is too much)
Just throwin' it out there, it's an excellent design. Better than anything I could come up with in as much time.
Man, I would buy that case in a heart beat. I've been looking all over for a tower that would support two PA 120.3
I will be watching this thread.
It looks awesome, all it needs in my opinion is some easily removable fan filters and maybe some wheels because it'd be hell to carry that case around when it's got 2 or 3 water loops in it.
I definately wouldnt paint it all white, I'd do a black and white if anything as Maian suggested. I personally liked the circular fan grill on the front better than the square one. Great looking case though and well designed.
Just to keep your mouths watering...:cool:
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...se-mkII-30.jpg
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...se-mkII-35.jpg
looks unbelievable.. i want it!!
Are there any plans for this to see the light of day or is it all a pipe dream?
:up: :up:
Short and to the point, good question! I wouldn't call it a pipe dream, but to start with I was just designing what I thought would be the perfect tower case for a liquid cooled system and to see if anyone agreed with me. Now that there has been so much interest in the case, I am trying to get a manufacturer interested in producing it. I have had a response from one major player, but nothing has come of that so far. I can't say whether it will ever see the light of day, but I will keep trying, for the time being anyway. I will let you know if I have any luck or if I decide to throw in the towel! Watch this space.
Good enough for me. :) Good luck getting it out there, it certainly has its niche market.
I'm feeling a little despondent at the moment, after the recent data loss, as there had been a great deal of discussion about my case design over the past week or so. A large number of posts have been lost in this thread, and my 'Liquid Cooling' thread. All of the posts lost were encouraging and some were offering support in my quest to get this case built and put into production. So I'm feeling a little reluctant to start posting again at the moment, but I'm not going to give up just yet. Just need to get back on track!
I feel sorry for you, it was a terrific thread.
Plus I made a humoungus post that I have little recollection of
explaining the cost's and limitations of plastic or composite materials
and why at least for a limited run production aluminum would
be cheaper to start with, and superior in quality.
Anyway I hope you get it back on track. I was really hoping the
data would be recovered, but what's done is done, and so we must push on.
you didnt by chance sell your idea to silverstone did you?? possibly the new tj07?? i would definantly be all over this!!
That is one perfect case my friend, would be a shame to give up on it now. Like the above poster, on hearing the news that the TJ07 was being discontinued, I am secretly hoping that something like this will be the successor.
The other case that I have seen recently and wanted was the LL X2000, but I have not been able to source one and my shop is now telling me that they are likely to be discontinued also.
Something about your design Mick reminds me of the Voodoo Omen case. Not the old Omen's which were basically just painted, modded LLs, but the new custom one they released in June 2008. Unfortunately it seems they have been completely absorbed into the HP machine now and no longer have this machine/case on their website, although there are a few images of it scattered over the web still. A few points I liked about it were the clean, CNC machined like appearance, built in copper WC plumbing and the LCD front screen. It was also a 90deg rotated system like the Raven, although personally a rear I/O interface would suit me better. Anyway, after reading your above posts, I though some inspiration to get back into it was in order, so hopefully this image of the Omen helps.
Cheers Mick.
Actually found this link to a small gallery on engadget that is probably better.
http://www.engadget.com/photos/voodoo-omen/853664/
Cheers
OK, I'm not going to bother re-posting the renders and animations that were lost, as they are now, basically, out of date.
Here is my latest render, now with a 140mm exhaust fan at the rear....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...II-50-1024.jpg
Here is my latest 360 degree animation, including the 140mm fan, with and without the side panels....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...ani_panels.gif
Finally, here is a simple animation showing the case air flow, which is the reason why the PSU is mounted with fan facing upwards.....
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...aseAirFlow.gif
Excellent. I'm liking this quite a bit.
The hole in the mobo tray behind the processor is key! I wish more case manufacturers did this. Its a big pain in the butt to have to take my entire mobo out to swap out processor cooling solutions.
If I may be so bold to make a suggestion however...
It would be very handy to be able to substitute more hard drive capacity in the bottom compartment in exchange for the bottom rad. I'd be much more likely to want more than 4 hard drives (4 SSD's in RAID 0 + 2 "standard" high capacity HDD's in RAID 1 for archive = 6 drives!) than a triple rad after already having room for a quad!
Just something to think about.
Loving your designs! Keep designing, be creative!
Great work!
Although, I have always found the USB ports to be more usable, when located near the top of the case. Perhaps even on the top 90 degree bend.
Looks like you can flatten that area out a tad and add the nec ports there..?
here: 900 case
mick64 you can ask ppl who fabricate cases to make it for you?
Can I ask which program did you use to present this work?
Very nice by the way.
Where i can buy this case :) Please send me one :D
This case project is awesome !!!
I was just thinking 'what the hell' why don't I just ask the question; is there anyone out there who thinks they can get this case built? Basically, I haven't the time or funds to get it made myself, and none of the case manufacturers I've approached seem to be interested. At this point in time I just want to see it become a reality. So, if there's someone who has got the resources to get my design off the drawing board, please let me know......
hmm...
i would like to have the front fan grill area in a circle then a square
and then at the back put little holes for flow meters to be seen at the back 1 at the top 1 at the bottom
ask charles he might want to use this but make sure nothing is changed it is the perfect the way it is
if you even get manfucaturers to do it then make sure they dont change 1 dash of this master piece
The front grill seems a little ugly to me, if there was a way to cool the drives without having the front grill at all it would be awesome.
Amazing artworks.
I would be interested in how you would plumb the tubings to the two pumps.
Just to let you know, I've started working on some detailing on how this thing would be put together. As it is at the moment, fabrication would be a little difficult, so a few minor changes will be needed. These changes will not affect the way the case looks, just the way the sections are attached to one another.....
Watch this space!
Id buy it!
All this case designing have made me try Google sketchup and I have tried to make my own midi tower here tonight :p
I have no idear how to make a mesh for fans (I want it to be stylish, so black anodised and with black mesh infront of all fan in/outputs)
But its wide enough to support tower cooler and side fans and it has 8 cm clearence above the MB to support a 140x2 rad or one 120x3 rad.
Then I would put 3 temp readers on the front panel.
But it will take ages if I need it to be pretty :p but its still fun
http://up-it.dk/uploads/090423/nsu-Untitled.jpg
Just think it with a finish like
http://up-it.dk/uploads/090423/42c-7fd02.jpg
:P