oops edited
nope 130watts limit still there.. for r2e
oops edited
nope 130watts limit still there.. for r2e
u know guys i have been thinking of this issue
and finally became clear
all asus has to do is
make intel speedstep independent from intel turbo
thats all
and it wont do this anymore
intel speedstep is temp dependent from 775 days afaik
The fix is simple, but they just need to get around to doing it. If I had the tools to do it I could probably edit the BIOS myself to disable this feature...
I think you hit the nail on the head here, I've been doing some tests with this board with a 920 and im pretty sure its temp related as others have said.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
I can boot 20x200 no problem with turbo enabled. I have a makeshift waterblock mount so load temps are likely to be higher than normal as soon as I hit second cpu test on 06 bam, same with vantage and almost exactly 50% of the way through wprime 1024. freezes up. my cascade is awaiting repair but im pretty sure at subzero this would not be an issue. [even at lower load temps iro 60-65 possibly]
My load temps are hitting 85c across the cores.
I only got the board yesterday haven't got my head around it yet. its a good board imo but of course would be a whole lot better without this issue I hope the issue is resolved soon.
Which bios are you guys running? im running the latest 0903. It looks like asus refer to this issue quote' Rampage II Extreme 0903 Bios
Fixed the function for adjusting BCLK abnormal in TurboV when set BCLK > 200MHz in BIOS setup 2009/01/05 update 'unquote.
hasnt fixed it for me.:(
I'm running 0903, but that fix you are refering to...that is unrelated to TurboBoost on the CPU itself. It is a fix for a compatibility issue with Asus' bundled software called TurboV. The tool would show 100MHz BCLK when BCLK was set 200MHz+. That's fixed now, and quite a useless fix I might add. Nobody who is clocking so high is using TurboV to OC.Quote:
Originally Posted by bustamove44
Ah yes your right, I wasn't sure exactly what is was but thought it might be related like I said only got the board yesterday and hit a wall at 4.2ghz and it made no sense at all why until I read through this thread.
Dejanh, I just read thru your i7 guide, Some food for thought there. a very interesting read, thanks.
hmm for 4 cores not so much a issue
but with ht the heat goes up..
is this the first time ure using asus mobo's??Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
they dont state every fix they do..
u have to find some of them
so far ram mem tables are different
Please do tell!Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
So...what was the fix? :)
nah .. short lived with HT on it didnt workQuote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
but try this
C1 state is supposedly 0%
so u dont get that 4168 or 4180
so with tested with 4 cores HT Off
extreme OV
speed step enabled
turbo mode on
C1 state
with HT on once temp touches 80C on real temp 2.7 85 C on real temp 2.9 multi goes down to 20
so i guess the rule for it HT would be
must be less than the above temp
with the three settings above
No, it is not the first time I am using an Asus mobo, I've used them for 12 years. Yes, I am aware that they do some minor fixes as well that they do not list, but major fixes they list, and adding a feature to turn off TDP limit would be a major change.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
So keep your arrogant attitude to yourself.
Also, I do not know what is the use of you beating a dead horse. You will not find a way around it, I can promise you that. I've tried everything this board offers to date, and trust me I had plenty of time to do it too since I bought the board at release. I'll tell you what works...
The only thing that works is to keep the temps low, very low, like not pass 65C and you will not only get rid of the turbo throttling, but you will also get higher overclocks.
And that 85C mark, I've posted about it now about 1 month ago on Asus forums, and here on XS, and nobody paid attention.
12 years really??Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
and u went out and bought the first retail board? saw ure exclamation in some forums about the 02xx bios.
also what made u come out of the closet for x58 to xs forums?? curious
no offense intended
anyways spoke to avin and they are looking to it.
will update it on asus faes progress
asking him for custom bios to take off the turbo dependency on intel speedstep.
but its funny for x58 clocking ppl popping out of no where and coming out with a lot of theories and being smug about it.
post counts are amazing nowadays in xs in a few months
so much to say even one joker had 1k in 2 months
Wow, a troll eh. Well, finally.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
Here's some food for you.
1. Yes, 12 years. And not just 12 years with Asus, but overclocking and tweaking since the days of 3/486s. I even spent some time programming my own microchips.
2. Absolutely nothing particular made me come to XS. I heard of it by accident. I spend too much time now days in front of the computer for work doing software engineering and I mostly work alone so I needed to find an activity to pass the in-between time, and this seemed like a semi-decent community. Obviously, not everyone is semi decent. Furthermore, I do not live in a basement and do have a real life to occupy most of my time so these things are in phases for me only. i7 just happens to be a new toy so it's interesting for a bit.
3. Smug or not smug at least people are trying to contribute, unlike some here *hint* *hint* ;)
Finally, an FYI for you, there is nothing special about X58, and it is not X58 clocking you fool, it's Nehalem. X58 is just a chipset.
With my background and experience I think I have plenty of authority to speak on how I believe things are working.
I am done addressing you, so disappear.
Edit: Way to edit your post. Don't mind if I don't edit mine. I have done one thing different this time then ever before, and that is I jumped to a completly new platform right on release. Hence the "wtf is 0248 doing on a production board" and a legitimate question too. Even Asus found it strange after I talked to one of their engineers, but the board seems to work fine so whatever.
hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
ok who is ure fae contact
would like to have a word with him
and the reason for calling it x58 clocking is because all limitations currently seems to be mobo related rather than proc
and reason for being cynical on ure 12 years
for being a beta tester for asus mobos for the past few years.. and getting some demo/es/initial release of their mobo's
its very common to have a intial bios thats differ from the one listed anybody could have told u this.
also seems that uve been spending a lot of time in a few forums in the past few months base on nick on the same topic
would love to see how u fare with rampage extreme or foxconn blackops on ure years of experience
anyways to stop this from getting any further will put u in my ignore list as i assume u would have done the same
This could not be further from the truth unless you getting into the realm of what Fugger is doing and get into runaway amp syndrome. Few people will achieve clocks like that, and it's not something anybody is gonna run 24/7. All of these boards have been able to go right up to 5+ GHz. Unless you have phase that's is not gonna happen. You'll never reach a wall with these boards unless you are on phase, and even then the Chip may not do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
I also liked your snide remark about post count. You are NOT your f'n post count. whether you have 10 or 10,000 makes absolutely no differece at all, and only a fool thinks that. Some people have more time than others and use computers more than others and do more here than others. Others have less time, and spent alot less time here. Some are retired and to them this is a hobby. Others use these computers more for work. Some get into long involved projects and rack up 1000's of posts a month. Save the thinly velied slams for somewhere else.
As for the AMD/Intel remarks, unlike that "other" section we do not enagage in Fanboi flamebaits here. That's what drives people away and that's why none of us will let it go on here. This section has higher standards so don't bring that crap in here.
I apologize for any remarks that I may have made. I will edit the post above to remove the Intel/AMD remark particularly as I do agree that this has nothing to do with that and I want to ensure that standard here stay higher.
Now let's all move on in a civilized manner.
Right now we seem to have drifted from the topic, can someone please condense this in simple terms what appears to be the issue?
I'm getting the 85c kick out so can confirm that one for sure.
one question, is this likely to come in a bios fix? I think weve ascertained its a mobo issue if nothing else as so many have the same wall so to speak.
in my case its like a magic switch goes of somewhere wen i touch 4.2ghz, temp obviously exceeds 85c at that point.
Its not making a lot of sense to me atm to be honest, I have read through the thread and been solid at this board for 2 days. [waking hours]
Yahh, that is an annoying bug in TurboV.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
Just use SetFSB with it's latest version, the PLL chip to use is: ICS9LPRS918BKL.
Works like a treat, except that the DRAM speed is divided by 2.
awesome setfsb working on this board now? sweet! disable turbo boost then obviously? thnx man ill try it now and report back.
Yahh, I got this info from the writer of the setFSB program itself, so there is warranty with this info :D
No need to disable Turbo though, unless you are having issues with CPU multi x21.
Read the whitepaper (see bottom) on this page and you will understand what the issue is...Quote:
Originally Posted by bustamove44
http://www.intel.com/technology/turboboost/
Asus appears to be closely following the Intel specifications on TurboBoost which according to Intel basically disables the extra turbo multiplier based on frequency, load, current, or temperatures, and/or a combination thereof. For Asus this seems to be driven by at least the frequency (naturally) and temperatures.
Then im pretty certain now that its temperatures that are the stumbling block, at least in my case.
Its a lot clearer now.
In my case I need the cascade on it if the theory is correct. btw, im looking for high benchable oc, A stable 24/7 base oc is always a good place to start for me
so this thread has been very helpful so far in many respects.:)
Temps are the stumbling block. Basically, here is my take on the i7 TDP limit behavior on the Asus boards and based on what I have observed in the past with GPUs and over-current protection circuits...Quote:
Originally Posted by bustamove44
There is a 130W TDP limit on the chip and that cannot be turned off on Asus boards. Now, say that you set your voltage on the i7 920 at 1.4V for a 20x200MHz (21x turbo). This means that the maximum current can be 130W/1.4V ~ 92.85A before you will exceed the TDP limit. However, increasing temperatures cause more current leakage and hence the current increases further and beyound the allowed limit. If you can keep the temps down, you reduce current leakage and you stay below the TDP limit. If not, well, we all know what happens then.
Asus sort of screws us double with this TDP limit IMO. Increasing the volts to stabilize higher OCs while having the TDP limit on causes the current threshold to lower as you increase the voltage requiring better and better cooling, not just because of the sheer fact that higher voltages will produce higher current and more current leakage, but the current gets to be too high and exceeds the TDP limits.
Annoying...
The weird thing is earlier today this board booted and run wprime [only 32m] @200x20 with turbo and ht on @ 1.38vcore/1.4qpl/1.65 mem [1600mhz] I did the run in close to 6 seconds flat. temps shoot from idles around 37/38 ish up to 80's and up. so there is where the leak occurs that you describe dejanh.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
It gets VERY frustrating at that point because with a result like that you KNOW its definitely not the chip or the ram, its the issue that you guys have described here. Im not at all technical minded when it comes to vr overide and such like but I can see the pattern even in 'simple terms'
I so hope Asus do hope sort this out fast, I think this is actually very unfair that this issue even exists..imo without a doubt Asus do make the best boards by far [performance] im just completely baffled that they are procrastinating over this surely we deserve what we paid for?
See, I personally never went for the high-end boards as I found the upper-mid ones tend to actually be better somehow, lol. Maybe it's just my frugal side acting up, getting more bang for the buck. This time I went for the R2E and it is a bit of a headache for sure that's emphasized by the fact I paid 450 smackers for it. I really, really hope they remove the TDP limit.
I even found a combination on my board that gives me 4.2GHz and 1900MHz DRAM at a lower voltage cost than 4.2GHz with 1600MHz but I cannot use it as I need to make use of the 23x turbo multiplier which shuts off every time when temps get past 80-ish celsius.
update guys u know what
this thread been talking about it
and the asus engineers didnt even know about this
thought u guys complained
anyways good news spoke to leo..
they are making this top priority issue to solve
How do you report bugs to Asus engineers? I tried and got this:Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
If you have an Asus contact, can you also tell them that S3 Resume is broken above 170 BCLK? Above 170 BCLK, It will sleep and resume once, and on the second sleep it won't resume. Thanks.Quote:
Hello,
The tech support team, unfortunately, is not 'in the loop' regarding what, if any, changes are planned for any BIOS, for any board, so we can't say what, if anything may be done, or when it's released, nor does our engineering department have a point of contact for this type of query. All we can suggest if you own the board is to check the download page periodically to see what is available.
Regards,
Asus Support Team
This sounds very promising indeed, fingers crossed we will all be smiling happy bunnies very soon.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
thats because their tech support department, like 99% of all others, is totally incompetent, and likely did not understand what we were even talking about, and thus did not relay it to the engineers... Good that they're finally at least aware of this issue, though can't really understand how every other manufacturer besides asus thought of this...Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
hmm having a hard time to explained to the engineers
anybody here want to give a shot
pm and will give u the email
Do you mean they dont understand the issue your explaining? why not just direct them to this thread, last few pages maybe.
It's strange they claim to be unaware of it as this was posted on the asus support forum almost 4 weeks ago?
Their engineers don't read those forums. Hell, their support team doesn't even read them. It's user to user.Quote:
Originally Posted by bustamove44
already gave him the thread
he is reading it
told him that this is the only flaw of the mobo
if it wasnt for this.. both motherboards are godlike
kekekek
he said ty for the compliments
Hope they fix it cause i was going straight on to bloodrage...
Will be really nice if its sorted, the board is actually solid for me aside from this. cstkl1 thanks for your efforts.:up:
And you really think, they will fix the issue with the Override?Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
First they argued, that they wonīt fix it because they donīt want to go around (bypass) Intelīs specs. (the intel board self can do :rolleyes:)
Hopefully they will do that quickly and maybe even get lower multiplier for the QPI and unleash the power of the i920 !!:yepp:
cstkl1, any chances you can have one of your friends at ASUS get us a bios version with a x14/x16 QPI multi so we can do some serious i920 OC ? :D
would help to know who actually argued.. name pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by peebee
not a friend dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by The-Fox
just called one fae
and he gave me the phone no and email of the other
lets see how the fix the bios or whether they reply with a valid reason
cause when i spoke to them they had no clue what i was talking about
then i was like eh.. didnt anybody tell u guys about this issue??
so emailed him the forums and also gigabyte fix
but its true
if this mobo has a tdp overide
it will be unchallengeable
as it is r2e seems to have no issue with any rams especially with xmp
See first Post or klick on the following:
Okay, sit back and enjoy: This is the Asus Support-Thread regarding this matter :up:
And here was the original request from some months ago that I made under Feedback & Suggestions...Quote:
Originally Posted by peebee
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us
This information was forwarded by Ulrich to some of his Asus contacts, but it seems that's where it stopped. I also informed one of their engineers (or somebody that calls themselves and engineer) of this around the same time, but again, seems that this has fallen on deaf ears. I think the name was Tim or something, not sure any more...
I fail to see though how they do not understand that there is a TDP limit on this board that is being triggered.
Let's see what happens now...
I wont hold my breath, by the looks of it they are playing ignorant to the issue, im just baffled as to why that is?
its not like it cant be done, like someone said even intel have done it on the smackover board, so the intel limit excuse is not valid really is it?:confused:
I'm curious about what you guys have been debating because in my P6T (not the deluxe version) I can run at 191x21 with 1.4v full load and the multi won't drop to 20
I'm sorry if there's something I'm missing but it seems the P6T has this issue fixed, no?
What the hell is the V2 all about friends ?
I want to buy a P6T Deluxe .... should I wait for the V2 ?
I hope asus does fix it. I have GB extreme, but was thinking of getting a P6 for wife, but not if OCing is hampered by TDP or temps.
On GB, there is no TDP limit, no temp or current limit (other than thermal throttling) all are completely disabled. You can run everest to read watts and amps from cpu, and read temps and see.
GB EX i940 at stock, linpack load is around 100W cpu, idle around 6-8W.
at 4.2 overclock with 1.38v load linpack load is around 155W amps around 100. (using F3 bios on GB Ex which did have TDP limit before being disabled in future bioses, you can watch turbo disengage as everest reads about 110 to 120W)
And at 4.4 overclock with 1.55Vcore linpack + coredamage running simultaneously load is over 200W and high amps and temps 100C (I disabled thermal monitor so logs but not throttle) and GB extreme is still in turbo 23 multi and all cores active at turbo mode...see pic. (and yes my cpu is still fine).
If P6 gets TDP disabled, I will buy that for wife, if not guess another x58 with buggy bios still.
Yes, that is true. Only Asus seem to have this limitation. Even Intel-Boards can go around the TDP :(Quote:
Originally Posted by rge
Isnīt that ironic? :mad:
@khalmyr: Try a higher setting. Turbo mode 20+1 x 200.
If you are running the turbo mode (20+1) and youīre above 1.35v Voltage (real, not bios setting). Start prime95, cinebench etc. and the the multi throttles down to a totally curious value (20,4 / 20 etc.) By the way... 20,4 shouldnīt even appear, because ther are only full values for the multiplier.
I'll try it today.
But that is not the only flaw..... Tell them to also fix S3 resume above 170 BCLK... read my reply above.Quote:
Originally Posted by cstkl1
Thanks
So is it worthy to wait 1 or 2 weeks for the V2 ones ? :(
He's buttering them up hehe :)Quote:
Originally Posted by derektm
Tell me who should know that!?Quote:
Originally Posted by jVIDIA
Maybe yes! A newer Version can (not must) have better opportunities. But very often, when you buy a newer one on release, YOU are the beta tester :D
@kahlmyr: Tested already?
Hope that anything happens on this in the bios. Otherwise this board is getting less interesting for the overclockers.
New Bios 1001 But the problem is still not solved. :rolleyes:
This will not happen quickly. They just finally got the word through less thana week ago. It might be months before we see this implemented assuming they decide to do that. It's possible they may be able to put out a quick fix, but I wouldn;t be expecting it. Just keep checking the Asus update site. If they do, that's where it will be.
so, any news on this problem?
I am gonna to buy a new mobo and wanna know which i should buy.:confused:
I want to go on air a thermalright true , i7 920 , and OCZ 1600 (12gb)
Nobody posted it here because they were all so happy with testing.
Since February in the Bios is a new option now to disable the Turbo Limit.
So it is fixed.
Is this option added in P6Tdeluxe bios too?Quote:
Originally Posted by peebee
Whatg is called exactly in menu structure?
No!! :mad: It is not in the P6T Deluxe, and this is the cause of the multiplier dropping from 21 to 20 under LinX load!! :mad::mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by SetteUltras
... ok .... thought i am blind! lol
hmm thought this was fixed overall... !? Damn! Well for the Rampage II Extreme, the Rampage II Gene and the P6T6 WS Revolution it is fixed.
Wait, so the P6T6 WS Revolution allows the VR override? Would it be possible to crossflash the P6T Deluxe with the P6T6 Revolution BIOS?
I can confirm this occurs with my Core i7 920 @ 4.2 GHz + Asus P6T Vanilla :(
We need someone brave enough to try a cross-flash.
Anyone?
Yeah, every P6T experiences this and Asus has no plans on changing this. I'm pretty sure they are using it as a marketing advantage for the high-end boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by smsmasters
I think you just volunteered :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wez3570
If I was confident enough to know how to restore it if it went bad, I would!
Mind you, I've only just got the board and don't have a CPU for it yet!
What's your excuse dejanh?:D
Asus support is the worst I have ever had to deal with. They reply very official as if cut&paste from an online manual of sorts. They have no interest in solving this issue. I am looking into Evga now. I would not buy Asus P6T (any model) if I knew about this issue. And I will make sure that people who are comparing mobos, they know about this issue.
I don't own a P6T hahaha :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wez3570
I owned an R2E which I sold, now I own 759 Classified and Rampage II Gene :p:
All kidding aside, if it had dual BIOS you could try to flash it and even if it fails recover...but with a single BIOS, not a good idea.
So which boards does this happen on exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
I am looking at buying a P6T Vanilla for a decent price, but this issue is making me lean towards not getting it.
All the P6T boards have this issue afaik. Only the RIIE and RIIG you can disable the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
So the Asus boards aren't worth getting as the RIIE is well over my budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
I had the Asus P6T, P6T Deluxe V2 and DFI Lanparty UT-X58-T3EH8 in my price range.
Which board would you get between those three? Should I just get the DFI or still say with one of those two Asus boards?
I'd go for the DFI... it has a digital PWM. Only other board that has that is the uber-expensive eVGA Classified afaik.
DFI is a very good board actually. Probably one of the best $/performance boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by 003
Yeah? I'm looking to get a D0 920 and will be using air cooling either a TRUE or Noctua NH-U12P in push pull configuration so I am only looking to try and get between 4000-4200Mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by dejanh
So having said all that do you guys think is it still worth getting the DFI over the cheaper Asus P6T for what I want to try and get out of my CPU.
For sure. Why deal with throttling problems when you don't have to?
DONOT buy the Asus board, it has 21x multi drop issue and S3 sleep issue. I am returning/selling it to get the DFI one. I already ordered the DFI board from superbiz for $263 shipped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
I could reach 4.3Ghz (which got throttled under severe load to 4.1Ghz) on my Asus with Xeon w5320 on air. We will see how far DFI lets me go. I am hoping it to do the same and actually provide me 4.3Ghz performance. Anybody wants to do educated estimate how far it will go?
I'm surprised ASUS isn't willing to address this issue.
They could potentially lose a lot of customers, some of which have spent a massive amount of money on their products over the years.
As we (and they) know, if the support isn't there, people will shop elswhere. I can't think of any good reason not to include this feature in a BIOS update. It's not like we're asking for some 'high end' overclocking settings like crazy voltage settings etc
Would I be right in thinking other manufacturers have included 'disable turbo limit' on cheaper X58 boards as well as top end ones? Then why not ASUS!
Has anyone made this point to ASUS in an email? I might contact them myself, I'm quite annoyed having only just purchased a P6T. Could a petition or poll help?
@dejanh Isn't there a good chance a cross flash might be successful? Both are X58 with similar hardware.
If we can flash an X48 BIOS on an X38 board, then surely there's a good chance this will work too?
Well would you like to be the first volunteer? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by wez3570
And yeah, this is really lame of Asus.
And what's even lamer, I am seriously considering purchasing a Rampage II Gene for my upcoming MicroATX build because it's the only matx X58 board with 8-phase PWM.
Yes, I did. Their response was along the lines of we don't support overclocking. If you have a problem at stock settings, we will help...Quote:
Originally Posted by wez3570
And that was it. I did not follow up beyond that point.
Then what is OC profile all about! That just doesn't make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by devsk
Could there be any instance where one might want to disable 'turbo' for reasons other than overclocking?
What's the S3 sleep issue? Can you elaborate please? I am still trying to decide as I'm reading about people having problems with the DFI board as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by devsk
Edit: Well I chose the DFI T3EH8, but the guy I was going to get it from screwed me over and sold it to someone else.
So what board would you guys choose between the Asus P6T and DFI T3eH6? All I'm looking at getting is anything between 4000-4200 on Air Cooling with a D0 920 for 24/7 use.