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Originally Posted by Drwho?
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Do you know any one that might know? Some one must know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
I did not say that I don t know, I said that I can't answer. And I know for sure that it is a special sauce, and we want to keep it for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
As far as I know bottom one (white text on black background) is the chip location on wafer but I don't know the wafer layout map. Xeons are taken from the middle of the wafer.
FUGGER, ask Intel to flash new name to this CPU, Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 LN2 Edition :D It can be easily done by flashing CPU at Intel ;)
How about Intel Core i7 Extreme 965 FE (FUGGER EDITION)? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by TiN_EOF
Nice, just wish I could get my hands on one of these babies.
Is the video ready? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
WOW!!!! 403 so strong?
my 401 so bad -.-!!
So, the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM5jsGzIlK0 ==> 5Ghz ++
This is an home made video, take it easy, i am not Spielberg;-)
The OC parts with 3 Stage details will come later ...
I was in Vegas this weekend too. I knew I should have called you guys up.
Good stuff, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
dumbaaaaaaaaaas :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Planet
Good stuff :up:
thanks for the video ladsQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
can you list your settings and voltages
thanks baz
Why there is no revision details in cpu-z ? es would give C0 or C0/C1 ....:confused: ..special chip?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
microcode edited?
or something newer than 965 maybe ?!?
Thanks for sharing videoQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
I would like to know some further info for that cpu as well :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rol-Co
And dinos, Francois has said like 10 times that they benched with a non-modified nehalem cpu ;) But imagine picking 1 out of 1000 CPUs, and you're there ...
i know that
i'm trying to say microcode is for something that maybe CPUz doesnt recognise like core i7 975 or something like that maybe lol
not saying its modded just a new edition of chip maybe
it is odd that they hide the top part of the screen which got me thinking it might be a newer CPU than 965 :shrug:
They probably missed the top part of the screen :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
It says stepping 5 (my es is 4) and no rev details, it must be a newer 965 or something like that, no matter what it is but hell no not just a 1 out of ten boxed version there is out there right now. :(
looked pretty deliberate to me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by George_o/c
OK.....Where's mine?..... :D :p:
Wait in line there.. there's another George in front of the queue :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
We'd all like one of these under our phase units. But how is it bad news that Intel has a (granted, cherry-picked) chip that can hit 5GHz on air? Intel isn't comprised of a bunch of dummies. I doubt they just hand over their best chips to FUGGER without examining what makes them so special.
In other words, a rising tide lifts all ships. If one chip can do this, it stands to reason that Intel learns from experience and that's what revisions are for. Eventually, better and better rev chips will hit the retail channel as they always do. Good for you, good for me, good for Intel stockholders.
I remember not too long ago people here were complaining how Intel discouraged overclocking. Now they embrace it and they are still taking heat. I think it's jealousy. I know because I am jealous that guys like FUGGER get all the good stuff - for free no less! :(
Maybe overclocking should have divisions, like "got it for free" versus "paid my hard-earned money for it." :ROTF: Like the NBA versus NCAA hoops, pro versus amateur.
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Originally Posted by Rol-Co
Well now we know these Cherries exist we should stop waisting mone buying trays just to find a cherries. We should request that Intel bring out a cheerie edition. As i won't be buying $2000 CPU's any more now that i now the odds of a cherrie is a few out of 100,000
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Originally Posted by X.T.R.E.M.E_ICE
The Belgium Space rocket has 1 chance out of 100 to fly to the moon ... The belgium are planning to launch 100 of them ... Do you think they will succeed?
:rofl:
I am french ... nothing wrong with the Belgium , just an old tradition ... and by the way, www.matbe.be is a great source of tech news in Frenchy
And they ARE great overclockers too in Belgium : http://www.matbe.com/articles/lire/1...re-i7-a-5-ghz/
So you guys make fun of belgians too? Same here :rofl::ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Poor Belgians :p:
Nice vid. Nice music too. About the Belgiums.... well you used one on the music :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Not only jealous... (neah maybe a bit but i'm happy with my 4800 air too :p:) but i don't like it too give people the wrong impression here, like buy a intel 965 chip and it wil do 5ghz, or all next step will do 5ghz air, (with that amd 6ghz thingie in the back of my mind). just a selected chip who runs fast, if you want one, go ahead , search for that needle in a haystack you problaby wouldn't find.Quote:
Originally Posted by uclajd
Selection there is and alway's be there , but selection by intel is just not representive.
ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
last time i joked around like that there was a gizzilion posts and PMs about my joke :rofl:.....being European born myself i thought most ppl would understand this sort of sense of humour :D
lucky you didnt involved Danes cause M.Beier would launch fatwa against you and Intel :rofl:
:shocked::ROTF::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
im just curious, what was the ambient temperature when this was done(sorry if you said somewhere else, only noticed 70*C on cores)
M.Beier has moved to Ireland. Hes been examined here as we believe he contains the secrets to the universe... . We'll crack him soon. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
:eek: heheheQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
Francois, lets say for instance someone was somehow able to purchase all Intel chips that go on sale, would that person be able to find such a monster chip?
Or does Intel test every chip and hold every cherry? (hence making our retail gems only 2nd class)
there's certainly some cherry stuff in their RMA ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
5ghz,, drools ala homer simpson dreaming about food. Thats really quite nice.
As in after Intel have finished doing testing they use them as RMA chips?Quote:
Originally Posted by Supertim0r
Proof?
We don t do that ... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by T_M
In the mean time, this part of the process is kept very secret, I know little about it, and what I know, I should not share. I hope you understand, the magic of mass production of processor like Core i7 is kept secret very well.
Just know that we have a paranoid based culture, based on Andy Grove "Only Paranoid Survive" book.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA240_.jpg
if you want to understand Intel, it is a must read. :up:
That' s maybe why a lot of guy here cant understand my sense of humor :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
I'm Belgian, nothing wrong with frenchies, but we have also a lot of joke about french :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by dinos22
:eek: you born in europe ? Where ?
Kazakhstan :P
Thanks F, i'll take it by paranoid that means that every chip gets tested to make sure it works, and during that testing you may or may not find out its a cherry ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
BTW, if Intel is that paranoid to test every chip, how come so many people claim that they can easily RMA their chips over and over.... (dont need to answer that - just saying)
:rofl: that's itQuote:
Originally Posted by T_M
Damn, I thought it was Tajikistan :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I see the resemblance ;)
Just your hair is a little more afro
Since when has 5G i7 anything to do with Belgium :D :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
FYI: our only active astronaut, Frank De Winne, will be head of the International Space Station for 6 months ;)
I'll take a wild guess.... Former Yugoslavia?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Hes doing some experiment isn't he on how to Brew beer at Zero gravity?Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
Man.. hes got a cool name, Frank De Winne
wow you guys found grate chip :clap:
looking forward to see the LN2 session results :yepp:
Anyway Francois, lets get back on track. This chip you had with Charles.... I'm going to assume that chip quality, follows something like a normal population Gausian curve. So where on this curve does the chip you and charles messed with lie? I can do the numbers later.
http://escience.anu.edu.au/lecture/c...e/Gaussian.png
"Im sorry, my answers are limited, You must ask the right question" - Dr. Alfred Lanning, USR Robotics :D
http://bp3.blogger.com/_1OFe6OW0NaI/...+in+space1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by massman
no comment!
Oh God! I can see it now!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
The start of a Belgian-Franco war! .....:rofl:
What does 'x = -2' stand for? The very bad overclocking chips or the chips that just don't work. Is the starting point the standard clock frequency of your chip or is it the lowest stable frequency of a certain batch of processors.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] riptide
Is there still something coming? CPU-Z-screens, benchmark results, Cinebench or 3DMark Vantage CPU-test (8 threads)?
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/880...5ghzairmq2.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
You have CPUZ screen in the youtube video ;)
:D yeah there have always been "tension" between French and Belgian (just humor), creates a lot of jokes about these 2 communities. I love the French focus they are, it's a killer love but funny (same for us which speaking English or orthers language :rofl:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
we love too much to say, we prefer to invent jokes and make fun :rofl:
PS : I read your pm, it takes time to understand and reply with my bad english :slapass: :D
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Originally Posted by Pt1t
I did program the CPUID myself, I may have done a typo ...
Does this mean that this specific product is not for sale?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
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Originally Posted by massman
haaaaaaaaaaaaa an attack for the belgiums .... ;-)
well, i said it at the beginning, those are special chips. I started with this.
I was very very very very clear from the beginning. Those are special chips, and I don t want to give more details. They are using the today's selling chip settings. (return to the beginning of the demo presentation, and you ll see how i introduced the demo, it is a manufacturer demo, they are Core i7 ... and that's it :) )
And this is going into the books as a WR, leaving nothing but spoils of war for people that are going to try and catch up to this 45nm I7 record...Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
False competition sucks, should atleast have called it an WTFBBQ 970 I7 or smth...
[<= Belgian here]
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Originally Posted by Drwho?
You should consider a career in politics. You talk a lot but you never answered massman's question:p:
Will this kind of chips be for sale, ever?
You're saying they use today's selling chip's settings but yet in another post you just told you programmed the cpuid, thus making it different from the current retail chips, or am I wrong?:p:
wait wait wait ... you can always find a side effect for everything ... The demo started with the idea that Manufacturer demos are useless, you just made my point !!!! thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by BieBiep
Don't blame anybody, it is exactly what we wanted to proove! :clap:
Concidere his demo as "out of Category", as they have in the Guiness world record book some time. fair?
:up:
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Originally Posted by Drwho?
Next step then :) => Intel should organize an OC-cup like mobo-manufacturers do, but everyone can take the mobo of his pleasing.
Maybe then we'll get some real numbers on who's got the best quality mobo?
(Superchips in every mobo must put the limit on the mobo rather than the chip?)
Those are CPUs I have in my lab to play with, The point is clear , Manufacturer can do demos that does not reflect always what gets to the market! This is EXACTLY the point I wanted to make from the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gendo
I WARNED many time. :up:
That is the question I have been wondering also.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa
Please show off your results as I am quite curious to the scores that will be put up by this CPU at such great speeds.
It is a nice CPU. Hope you have a good time with it fugger.:)
After AMD release their 6.3Ghz bench results ! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian y.
just kidding, remember, it is a manufacturer demo ... with all the tricky that goes with it. (we finally got to the point! :) ) It toke you time guys!
later on, you ll get everything, just need to clean up my typos.
remember the point I was trying to make: "demos are demos ... make your own opinion with what you can touch"
When I use special chips, I say it loud and clear, when it is normal chips, you ll see no special notes. I oppose very hard the special chip demos inside my own company, but I had to make a point that it is easy for a manufacturer to put a demo that shine, without really reflecting the market.
Point make! Alelouuuuuuuuya!
(I could not have pulled 5Ghz air cool without Fugger too ;-) )
Come one man... It's your credibility on the line here. This thread and all others regarding this MEGA chip that is doing 5GHz on air, is reffering to i7 965. This is what people are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
I don't give a cent if FUGGER gets to upload his scores in HWBOT with these chips, this is not the point.
The point is that several dedicated Intel consumers paid 1000 EUR to get a 965 retail chip and now they should feel like a beta testers...:down:
Since revision 5 chips were ready and SO close to rev. 4 chips' launch...
Anyway, my EUROVISION points are going to Belgium next year...:yepp:
Edit: Oh, now I just checked your last post. So I guess you made a road trip to Vegas just to prove that AMD's session in Texas was with a MEGA cherry picked chip????
awesome thx for information once again Francois
you have my deepest respect for playing with open cards
was a pleassure to see you guys keep pushing it, and thats what its all about
There's a giant difference between special as in "what an awesome overclocker" and special as in "not available for costumers". In what range is this chip using the same settings as today's selling chips? If no one knows why this chip is so special, no one can accurately rate the excellence of this overclock and therefor only your manufacturers demo is pointless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Sorry if I'm wrong here, but I think you need to rephrase that as: "AMD's demo does not reflect what gets to the market". I don't understand the point of this so called manufacturer's demo if the only information we get is that this particular chip is so special, that it's one of a kind. Doesn't that only prove that no one will be able to hit that kind of speeds through retail market?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
I don't really get why your special chip is only hitting 5G on air anyway. Rol-co already showed us his 4.8G chip on air. Using a special sample you only get 200MHz more?
So many questions, so little answers ...
This is exactly the point we wanted to make , when a manufacturer demo OC, it does have resources that you ll never get ... making it unrealistic ...Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
The point is that it is pointless, so, it is not pointless, see the point! lol!
:up: Glad you got it!
let's tune it down, otherwise, they will send us Jean Claude Vandam!
http://www.deborahgoldberg.net/debbi...Damme%2001.jpg
LOl; I'd like to see Van Damme vs Ci7 (Cyborg x1k).Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Never mind the legend on the scales. Its a standard Gausian curve. You can apply it to population of lots of things including humans in terms of IQ, height etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
If we applied it to CPU's, the centre of that graph where it is highest represents the average CPU. standard overclock for any given chip. This would be where most CPU's fall into. AS you get closer to the cherry picked chips, you obviously have less numbers of them... and you move right on the graph. The graph falling represents less numbers of them. I expect that if you were to mark on that graph, this particular chip that Francois and charles played with, it would be on the extreme right.
The dodgy (E8500 4.3Ghz at 1.49vcore? GTFO! ) E8500 that i have for example would sit somewhere on the left of centre.
One of these?
http://www.123test.nl/t/it/diagram/iq/man:28/138
Sorry couldn't resist, having a very bad day and needed an ego boost :rofl:
I think its already been established that these calibre chips will appear in small numbers naturally, as have the Golden Intels from times gone by. Francois was just in a position to get his dirty hands on a few of them.
Just because most of us can't get these chips as easily as they have been got for this 'demo', does not mean
1) That they won't appear in retail
or 2) invalidates the clocks achieved.
Srsly... the chips have been brought outside of Intels corporate offices into the Enthusiast realm, in the form of FUGGER, and displayed, as opposed to a Manufacturer supervised and run demo.
We should be thankful that we have an Intel employee (albeit an arrogant one :)) who can show us such things and is 'on our side'.
Im wondering how those golden chips are binned. :confused:
Do you test then with a fixed Vcore and look for those with the higgest current draw? Trying to find the "leaky" ones?
If thats the way to do it, maybe they could be selected just measuring resistance between some of the 1366 pins, making it quicker and easier to find "the neddle in the haystack".
PS. Im just thinking out loud, maybe very wrong about it. Also dont expect you guys can answer my question :D
I guess something is not being written as intended. The following quotes from Drwho? do not read the same as the posts that would have us believe the chip was a cherry-picked retail sample.
Special chips programmed with parameters from chips we can buy today. If these were retail chips would not these parameters be the correct ones already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
The above quote was made in response to a post stating that chips in the retail market would not be able to match this performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
This demonstration made a point that what a manufacturer can showcase may not be true in retail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
Once again referencing that this demo does not reflect real word retail results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
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Originally Posted by Movieman
So what's the deal with the chip? Is it as Drwho? implies a specimen that is capable of performance exceeding the chips in the current retail market? Or as Movieman and FUGGER suggest a super chip pulled from the retail line? Shouldn't be difficult to state one way or the other. I think that is all that is being asked in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
Temporarily locking, this is more of a mess than I can personally tolerate.
Thanks Gautam, my apologies everyone else. The rivalry is alive and kicking :fight:
Best binned chips would go into 965 cores, leakage to some point cores are screened out into the next bin down.
With Francois looking at what we do and knowing what we need now, that combined with an improved process later on will make for an interesting chip.
I need to chase down Duck, he has a good chip.
FWIW....the reason some people's questions are not being answered, especially about chip specifics, is because those who know the details can't elaborate on the details.
They're not trying to pull a smoke and mirrors thing here or presenting any sort of "argument from silence" it's just that they're not allowed to talk specifics. :shrug:
great clocks regardless :toast:
would love to see what 5ghz or max do @
nuclearus
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=202576
fritz chess
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ighlight=chess
I see some posts were removed.. maybe better that way ;)
Cherry chip? Was anything done to the chip?
I remember Frances saying in an AMD thread that he was going to have a chip modded with some features turned off so that he could post some high numbers.
-edit- never mind I just read the first post and didnt read the last few...looks like other people have asked the same questions.
Good to see AMD and Intel battle it out again :-)
Nothing wrong with demonstrating what will one day be possible for everyone. Nicely done, fellas!
so, from what im hearing (judging by a vid on the nehalem by intel CEO) he says that 8 core configs will ship in 2008. But, the question i have is when will the number of cores come to an end. in my opinion 8 cores seems to be a bit much, 16 simultaneous threads is a bit insane. what kind of software/OS out there can utilize something like that to its fullest extent to start with? Why dosent intel make a nehalem 2 or 4 core just for gaming? 2 cores seems to be all that most games utilize anyways and with nehalem's architecture it can process 4 threads, so why not drop the on die cores to 2 and raise clock speeds?
well thats just it in the end the desktop os will be alot more like server os's in that it can sustain a larger grouping of cores. 4x4 is what? and were talking about current maintsream server configs. higher core counts do an immense amout of good for servers and in the end will enable apps to take singular advantage of cores thereby freeing resources and speeding multiple processes up. alot of cores means alot of freedom and alot of speed.
sun has even more cores on its server cpu's I think its already at 16 and heading up not down. lets say you pack 1k cores on a die in a desktop, there isnt a whole lot that cant be done on that hypothetical system.
:yepp:http://www.tomshardware.com/news/win...-gpu,6645.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by verndewd
Homogeneous computing is coming, it is just a matter of few years :) :yepp::up:
LOL Is Intel about to give us a new 975 Extreme Edition stepping 5?
Then those posts about Phenom II overclockability are not all about cherry picked and tweaked CPUs.
Another explanation is that a programmed chip to a newer edition circumvents the TLB BIOS restriction.
Or what else?
975 is obvious in the video anyway.
It doesn't take a lot of thinking or wisdom for anyone who has been "watching" the computer market the last two years that Intel is releasing a "refresh" of their flagship processor some months after the release of their initial flagship model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marios
You remember the QX9650 & QX9770 deal, and the QX6700 & QX6800.
It's surely going to happen again.
Without having any particular info from inside, I'd say that we're going to see a new Extreme Edition Core i7 with a new revision of the core ( C1 ) in late January, Mid February.
The TLB fix is being applied already through BIOS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marios
To get rid of the errata physically you need to physically change the design of a part of the CPU.
The end... lol, there will be no end. The amount of cores will continue to grow while gamers still buy only what they need to play their games. im not talking about servers at all. ill believe W7 is a better gaming platform then XP when i see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by verndewd
what im simply trying to say is that wouldnt a dual core machine that could clock higher be more beneficial to gamers then a 4core 8 thread machine or a 8 core 16 thread machine? gamers use 2 MAYBE 3 programs at once. those are the game their playing, ventrillo/teamspeak, and occasionally a browser to look something up. lets face it, a processor like the nehalem is not needed to compete these tasks with ease.
if intel would make a dual core nehalem im nearly 100% positive that it would be a strong seller amongst the growing gaming community. lets be honest, if all you did was play a game when you were on the computer wouldn't you buy a good core2 over a nehalem?
Great results, good work Fugger & Francois, that must have been a fun weekend.
I don't understand why there are so many people complaining that CPU's of this caliber may not be available commonly in retail. Not many people even push CPU's that hard, it's as if those upset by this feel like they have been prevented from attaining something that they neither have the skill nor inclination to do anyway. There are comparatively few people here who really push hardware to the limits either on air, water or extreme cooling. Those that do have the ability, finances and contacts that enable them to find and use the best CPU's available anyway. Some people already have contacts at Intel which enable them to get cherry picked ES CPU's - this has been happening forever, it's nothing new at all.
World records have always been set with specially picked CPU's capable of clocks above what most can achieve, this is just taking that to a slightly higher level, as Intel themselves picked the chips in question. If these CPU's were not going to be 920's/940's or 965's, but perhaps an as yet unreleased version (eg 975's) there is nothing wrong with that, in time CPU's of higher spec will most likely be released if yields are sufficient, and people can try and find the best ones by the same means they have already employed to find the best 775's and already released i7's.
This was demo to show the theoretical maximum achievable from this architecture, using CPU's selected by employing a binning process no one but intel has the ability to do, and as such is not a reflection of what most people can expect from retail samples. This is the nature of a manufacturer demo. Francois made this clear.
I wish everyone would understand this. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
So you think we saw the max from the new CPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by CryptiK
Wait and see.
Besides showing the world the capabilities of Core i7, I think Francois wanted to take the advice of his friend - an extreme overclocker - "over current known issues" in overclocking.
This benefits the rest of us and I like Intel does it this way.
They produce better products for everyone.
What we see is similar to what auto manufactures did many years ago, so many similarities between the two.
People need to understand that most of the top guys have sponsors. Much like racing, sponsors will pick who is active and has good communication, most of all deliver good results.
I have been showing chips for years, its not unlike me so it should be no surprise there. I see overclocking getting bigger in 2009 and first up is CES.
I'm hoping you guys have that Ace up your sleeve and you plan on taking it out at CES :)Quote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
4.6Ghz wprime on air with stock i7 820 heatink done, playing more on air.
The Coolermaster heatsink is kinda sucky, has horrible contact if done right and no contact if you are not paying attention. It doesnt fit correctly with the retrofit 1366 brackets.