4870 ASUS TOP BIOS (upto 900MHz in CCC)

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08-02-2008, 11:03 PM
IN7OX

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flashed both of my saphire 4870s
working fine
08-02-2008, 11:40 PM
korrupted

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Diamond 4870 on ASUS TOP BIOS (flashed with atiwinflash on Vista x64, zero issues), stock HSF (replaced TIM), no volt mod, fan at 55 percent, loads around 60C; plays TF2, Crysis, and benches multiple rounds of 3dmark/Vantage at these speeds.

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08-03-2008, 02:55 AM
M-XXXX

Where im doing wrong?
http://shrani.si/t/J/ub/1RUZtFoX/flash.jpg

I've saved 4870.rom and Atiflash to C:\Documents and Settings\M-XXXX\Flash and my videocard is in the second adapter (so I wrote 1 instead of 0) Where is the problem?
08-03-2008, 03:28 AM
ultimate11

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Originally Posted by G H Z

Everything with atiflash happens in true DOS only, you cannot run/flash using this utility inside Windows.

is it recoverable any more ?
08-03-2008, 03:51 AM
Rick Flair

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-XXXX

Where im doing wrong?
http://shrani.si/t/J/ub/1RUZtFoX/flash.jpg

I've saved 4870.rom and Atiflash to C:\Documents and Settings\M-XXXX\Flash and my videocard is in the second adapter (so I wrote 1 instead of 0) Where is the problem?

Well the picture of Command Prompt shows your not even in the proper directory.

Secondly while Atiflash can be used in Windows with the Command Prompt window the possibility of a flash failure makes it not worth doing this way. Booting into a true DOS environment and using Atiflash is the best way to flash your videocard.
08-03-2008, 03:53 AM
Rick Flair

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultimate11

is it recoverable any more ?

It should be, flash from DOS, real DOS not Command Prompt from Windows.
08-03-2008, 03:58 AM
M-XXXX

Quote:

Well the picture of Command Prompt shows your not even in the proper directory.

can you help me out then and tell me the right commands? I run out of ideas!
08-03-2008, 04:13 AM
Rick Flair

Quote:

Originally Posted by M-XXXX

can you help me out then and tell me the right commands? I run out of ideas!

In your Command Prompt window it shows you are in the directory,

C:\DOCUME~1\M-XXXX>

From here type,

CD Flash

Now you should be in the proper directory and can use Atiflash,

atiflash -p -f 0 4870.rom

Having said all this the flash should go OK but atiflash should really only be used in true DOS, not the Command Prompt way that you are attempting.
08-03-2008, 05:10 AM
ultimate11

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Originally Posted by ultimate11

i just :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up my flash and its 8 am in the morn :) (got owned around 5am)

so i inserted a 8500gt in slot 1 of pci-e

and put the 4870 in slot 2 and system finally booted.

i used the flashway in page2 (winatiflash) , and after the whole bar finished twice , my system freeze on the 3rd time and after i pressed the reset button it was owned :(

now i m tryin to recover it :/

i tried to run winatiflash but it wont run and stays 25% on core 1 , (any other app i run during this wont respond either, would like to hear comments)

Code:

Z:\atiflash360>atiflash.exe -i Exiting due to signal SIGSEGV General Protection Fault at eip=00035e57 eax=fd750000 ebx=00000000 ecx=fd750000 edx=02990000 esi=00035ad0 edi=00066a0c ebp=000e48a8 esp=000e4840 program=Z:\ATIFLA~1\ATIFLASH.EXE cs: sel=01af base=02990000 limit=0042ffff ds: sel=01b7 base=02990000 limit=0042ffff es: sel=01b7 base=02990000 limit=0042ffff fs: sel=017f base=0000dea0 limit=0000ffff gs: sel=01bf base=00000000 limit=0010ffff ss: sel=01b7 base=02990000 limit=0042ffff App stack: [000e6a08..00066a0c] Exceptn stack: [00066920..000649e0] Call frame traceback EIPs: 0x00035e57 0x0003651b 0x00035af5 0x00023dc8 0x00002592 0x00009314 0x000167a3 0x000169c7 0x0003f74f

i wonder which index is my ati card need some help on it :)

i revived the card back up again but ccc wont run and for some reason my spdif onboard to logitech is dead well .. any idea

edit : update installed 8.6 off the cd , which is working fine , any comments would be thankful.
08-03-2008, 05:31 AM
Rick Flair

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Originally Posted by ultimate11

i revived the card back up again but ccc wont run and for some reason my spdif onboard to logitech is dead well .. any idea

edit : update installed 8.6 off the cd , which is working fine , any comments would be thankful.

You should start a separate thread with your problems, hate to say it but do you know how to use Windows and DOS well? But like I said start a separate thread.
08-03-2008, 05:48 AM
M-XXXX

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick Flair

In your Command Prompt window it shows you are in the directory,

C:\DOCUME~1\M-XXXX>

From here type,

CD Flash

Now you should be in the proper directory and can use Atiflash,

atiflash -p -f 0 4870.rom

Having said all this the flash should go OK but atiflash should really only be used in true DOS, not the Command Prompt way that you are attempting.

Thank you for all your help. In the end I flashed from DOS (thank you for advice) I had some problems with booting from USB, so I asked for instructions in windows flashing). In the end I booted from USB and the think was done in 10s! :up:
08-03-2008, 10:54 AM
praesto

Has anyone changed the core voltage through bios flashing? I think you can squeeze a bit more voltage out by bios modding the 4850, is the same thing possible with a 4870? Either way, what are your maximum core overclocks with bios volt mod/ no mod?
08-03-2008, 11:34 AM
korrupted

I ran my flash from an Administrator level command prompt in Vista x64, with UAC turned off, if anyone thinks that may be related to why most have issues with usint atiwinflash.exe. Just tossing that out.
08-03-2008, 02:05 PM
MetalRacer

I just flashed my Asus 4870 from DOS without any problems. SmartDoctor 5.17 still works in Vista 64 but it no longer works in XP 64.
08-03-2008, 02:48 PM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by praesto

Has anyone changed the core voltage through bios flashing? I think you can squeeze a bit more voltage out by bios modding the 4850, is the same thing possible with a 4870? Either way, what are your maximum core overclocks with bios volt mod/ no mod?

i think 1.263 vGPU is as high as you can go through BIOS but i'm not sure. i'd love to be corrected by anyone who knows for sure.

i'm not game stable with the default settings on the TOP BIOS. i've lowered the clocks on both my cards to 750/900 while i contemplate what to do next. i really don't like the idea of volt modding my cards because i know i'll end up selling them within a year.
08-03-2008, 05:20 PM
annihilat0r

What's the idle fan load in this BIOS?
08-03-2008, 05:54 PM
xMrBunglex

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Originally Posted by annihilat0r

What's the idle fan load in this BIOS?

according to GPU-Z, both of my cards are idling at 30% fanspeed.
08-03-2008, 06:21 PM
xMrBunglex

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Originally Posted by xMrBunglex

i'm not game stable with the default settings on the TOP BIOS. i've lowered the clocks on both my cards to 750/900 while i contemplate what to do next.

an update for those that are curious. i'm stable with the TOP BIOS if i force my fanspeed to 65%. i've confirmed that my problem is with my top card only and it's being caused by heat. my case has a 200mm side fan with a big center hub that lines up perfectly with my top card, so i think there is a dead spot there as far as airflow is concerned. i also have only a quarter inch of space between my two video cards due to my motherboard's layout.

i might just get a pair of Acceleros and see if i can make them work for me.
08-04-2008, 05:09 AM
purecain

i find running the gddr5 above 1045 causes a core overclock of 860 to become unstable... if i keep the mem clocked @1045 i have no issues what so ever...

i think it might be the memory thats getting too hot xMrBunglex... try out my theory, good luck....
08-04-2008, 05:47 AM
Rick Flair

Quote:

Originally Posted by purecain

i find running the gddr5 above 1045 causes a core overclock of 860 to become unstable... if i keep the mem clocked @1045 i have no issues what so ever...

i think it might be the memory thats getting too hot xMrBunglex... try out my theory, good luck....

Are you artifact free at 860 core in ATItools? Your card volt modded?
08-04-2008, 05:49 AM
AriciU

Is there anyway to update to this damn bios by anything other then DOS? I cannot get my damn USB stick bootable no matter what i try. Pisses me off bad, why the :banana::banana::banana::banana: can't you update from windows ffs? This is 2008 already :mad:
08-04-2008, 06:03 AM
r4st4m4n

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Originally Posted by AriciU

Pisses me off bad, why the :banana::banana::banana::banana: can't you update from windows ffs? This is 2008 already :mad:

because even now in 2008, windows is still not 100% stable :rolleyes:
08-04-2008, 06:04 AM
AriciU

It's stable enough for me. DOS should die already. :mad: Is there any linux equivalent of ati flash?
08-04-2008, 06:08 AM
r4st4m4n

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriciU

It's stable enough for me. DOS should die already. :mad: Is there any linux equivalent of ati flash?

BTW, Have you tried Atiwinflash ... The instruction to flash the asus bios are somewhere at the beginning of this thread.
08-04-2008, 06:17 AM
AriciU

Yeah. It gives a system ID mismatch error or something like that. I could edit the clocks from the Asus bios to my vanilla bios that i use but i don't know if there is something more to the Asus bios then the clocks and fan profiles.
08-04-2008, 06:24 AM
r4st4m4n

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriciU

Yeah. It gives a system ID mismatch error or something like that. I could edit the clocks from the Asus bios to my vanilla bios that i use but i don't know if there is something more to the Asus bios then the clocks and fan profiles.

There is a way to force the flash with a mismatch ID involving executing atiwinflash from prompt and passing some arguments. Check the beginning of this thread (page 2-3 IIRC)
08-04-2008, 06:35 AM
AriciU

Thanks. It worked. :) Stupid of me not to check the thread properly before :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing about it. :D
08-04-2008, 07:42 AM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by purecain

i find running the gddr5 above 1045 causes a core overclock of 860 to become unstable... if i keep the mem clocked @1045 i have no issues what so ever...

i think it might be the memory thats getting too hot xMrBunglex... try out my theory, good luck....

sadly, no. i lowered my mem down to 800 MHz and it didn't affect my results at all. my memory overclocks fine, but the GPU in my top card appears to be a dud. 800 max so far. i'll try a few more tricks before i give up on it. i'll report back if i have any results worth sharing.
08-04-2008, 08:24 AM
AriciU

Did the Asus people lower the memory voltage with this bios by any chance?

I was stable before at max CCC settings 790/1100. Now i can only do 815/950 before Firefly forest (3dm06) freezes. Maybe the higher core clock is limiting my memory overclockability but still... these are :banana::banana::banana::banana: clocks compared to what other people in this thread are getting.

Which would be better anyway? 790/1100 or 815/950? I'm guessing the first clocks would be.
08-04-2008, 09:03 AM
highspeed

Hey nice win skin you have, checked your 3dmark06 score, whats that oO
08-04-2008, 11:00 AM
dnottis

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriciU

Which would be better anyway? 790/1100 or 815/950? I'm guessing the first clocks would be.

815/950. Have you tested with more memory bandwidth? It does nothing The HD4870 has more than enough memory bandwidth at 900 (3.6GB/sec), you really dont need anymore - better to oc the core at with a 4870.
08-04-2008, 02:54 PM
Jaivan

Wow thanks a lot works fine on both my HIS 4870's.
08-04-2008, 03:00 PM
purecain

when my cards (both HIS) arrived the gddr5 worked flawlessly @max clocks and i was even able to run furmark(i dont recommend using this bench with 4870 by the way)...

a few days later and the ram on both cards had degraded... i could no longer run at those clocks unless i lowered the mem to roughly 1000mhz... i'm wondering if everyone running high mem clocks will see this same degradation...

sorry to hear about the duff card xMrBunglex... lets hope the card you replace it with, is a winner...
08-04-2008, 04:11 PM
Blkout

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Originally Posted by purecain

when my cards (both HIS) arrived the gddr5 worked flawlessly @max clocks and i was even able to run furmark(i dont recommend using this bench with 4870 by the way)...

a few days later and the ram on both cards had degraded... i could no longer run at those clocks unless i lowered the mem to roughly 1000mhz... i'm wondering if everyone running high mem clocks will see this same degradation...

sorry to hear about the duff card xMrBunglex... lets hope the card you replace it with, is a winner...

The memory won't degrade unless you've increased the voltage excessively. If you haven't volt modded your memory then your memory was probably never stable at that speed to begin with or you have another issue causing your instability. My 4870 has been overclocked to 1100MHz since I got it 2 weeks ago and I've had no problems with memory degradation, nor will I since I'm not increasing the voltage.

This 4870 memory degradation is blown out of proportion about as much as the "faulty" stock cooling.
08-04-2008, 04:20 PM
korrupted

My honeymoon w/ this bios is over I think. Games are crashing a few seconds in and the comp reboots (this is with setting my clocks back to what was previously stable on my stock bios). Switching to original bios to see if problems still exist.
08-04-2008, 06:47 PM
AriciU

Quote:

Originally Posted by highspeed

Hey nice win skin you have, checked your 3dmark06 score, whats that oO

The wallpaper is from Interfacelift.com, rocket dock, icons from deviantart, skin is called "milk" from macosx.
08-04-2008, 09:07 PM
xMrBunglex

for those who haven't seen it yet: the Accelero Twin Turbo.

CrossFire compatible, comes with VRM and memory heatsinks, and even a 4-pin fan connector so you can plug the fans directly into your video card's PCB and control fanspeed through your video BIOS or CCC profiles. i'm excited. heat is definitely an issue when you have two 4870's sandwiched together like i do.

Korrupted, maybe you and i are in the same boat. i'm not game stable over 800 core with this TOP BIOS. maybe i'll mod my original BIOS and see if the same clocks work for me.
08-05-2008, 06:48 AM
purecain

@xMrBunglex-nice find pal... best looking coolers i've seen yet...

@Blkout-no volt mods on memory... same system same speed, the gddr5 on both cards has the exact same issue... imo they have suffered from degradation...
08-05-2008, 08:39 AM
korrupted

Quote:

Originally Posted by xMrBunglex

Korrupted, maybe you and i are in the same boat. i'm not game stable over 800 core with this TOP BIOS. maybe i'll mod my original BIOS and see if the same clocks work for me.

I think we could be; it took a full uninstall and reinstall of driver twice before I was back to normal, after I re-flashed back to the original. Running fine at previous speeds of 790/1100 again.

I added a 3rd stick of DDR to my rig yesterday prior to having issues, but they didn't crop up immediately, and I've had this same DIMM in my rig previously, with no problems. I did end up moving the slot it was in, just for the heck of it, after I had re-flashed back to original. Doubtful it was related, but it's a possibility. I'll test again at some point but I didn't like not being able to game yesterday.
08-05-2008, 09:19 AM
Rick Flair

Quote:

Originally Posted by korrupted

I think we could be; it took a full uninstall and reinstall of driver twice before I was back to normal, after I re-flashed back to the original. Running fine at previous speeds of 790/1100 again.

I added a 3rd stick of DDR to my rig yesterday prior to having issues, but they didn't crop up immediately, and I've had this same DIMM in my rig previously, with no problems. I did end up moving the slot it was in, just for the heck of it, after I had re-flashed back to original. Doubtful it was related, but it's a possibility. I'll test again at some point but I didn't like not being able to game yesterday.

I noticed that if you flash a new BIOS, edit the fan speeds in the BIOS you are using, or edit the fan speeds in the profile manager, you should run AMDgpuTool to reset the card and drivers, I described how to do this earlier on in this thread.

Seems that the drivers remember certain settings even after a BIOS change and/or reboot and above method is only way I figured out how to reset them without having to wipe the driver and reinstall it.
08-05-2008, 09:24 AM
Rick Flair

Well after a little GPU vmod a 32ohm resistor yielded 1.34 volts (looks nice and clean) and this ASUS BIOS I am stable at 825 core, tested with ATItools artifact free for over one hour. :)

Although the fan profile in this BIOS was good I edited the BIOS to fan speeds more to my liking, with vmod GPU idle's at 46c with 40% fan speed, and peaks at 64c with 50% fan speed.
08-05-2008, 11:49 AM
s1Lv3r

i flash my sapphire 4870 looks fine but when i try to run 3dmark 06 sm3.0 tests not working and try to start GRID i have an error your graphic card not support sm3.0 :( when i flash org. bios there is no problem wait any idea
08-06-2008, 09:10 AM
AriciU

I'm having a very wierd problem. I'm using this bios on both cards and 8.8 beta drivers. I didn't try with 8.7 yet but i don't know if drivers could be causing this.

Anyway, the problem only happens in 2d stuff (desktop) and i can't replicate it on the fly. It's very random. I just browse the net and stuff and for some reason the display turns off, both cards spin their fans at 100% and it just sits like that. Windows still works but i get no display. I have to reboot to get it to work again. It's very annoying and very noisy :)

Anyone else getting this crap?
08-06-2008, 04:20 PM
xMrBunglex

what you're describing almost sounds like GPU Recover. try reinstalling the driver (or installing the 8.7 driver) and see if the problem goes away.
08-06-2008, 08:59 PM
AriciU

I reinstalled 8.7 and everything is fine.
08-07-2008, 03:30 AM
Brave758

mate could be the PSU ive heard that corsair psu and hd4xxx series cards don't play nice together?
08-07-2008, 03:51 AM
twwen2

That's not good. I've got a HX620 and was about to install my 4870. Can you elabourate on the problems?
08-07-2008, 04:27 AM
babalouj

I have an HX620 and a 4870, no problems here.
08-07-2008, 06:22 AM
Harshal

I am not sure if I have it working fine or not.

This is what happened today for me:
I download mentioned [latest] ATiFlash and BIOS. I take backup of my Jetway 4870 BIOS with GPU-Z 0.26. I flash my card with ASUS.ROM using "atiflash -p -f 0 asus.rom" flashes fine. I restart. Vista 3-4 mins everything ok... then screen starts to break away. Within seconds its a chess board instead of a desktop. Crash. It boots and crashes @ desktop loading. After that it doesnt POST... BlackOps LED POST shows "2b" and I think its da CODE for GFX not found or not present or something. My card from HK, dead in India. Drama. I put my old 6600GT and flash back to original bios. Again it flashes fine. Restart. "2b". I am swearing @ this thread :p: Back to my office from Bench-room. Then I ask around on MSN and also read. M friend "Funky" tells me about "-newbios" switch and accidently I stumble upon it in this thread. Back to bench-room and more flashes. Flash, Again everything ok. boots fine. Screen still tearing up as it boots Vista. After 2-3 mins it crashes. I try to flash original one again without "-newbios". Posts fine. I flash original again with "-newbios". It boots vista with much less tears. Then it suddenly improves. I reinstall driver and it stays on without crashing. Restart and fire up Vantage @ stock speed. done. bump speeds -790/1100. Crash. 790/1000 crash. 790/950. Works. 825/950 strange but crash. 825/925. Works fine. Vantage stable as of now. :shrug:

I think ASUS bios even tho working for all most everyone except me may have bad effect on rare cards like mine. Not saying its bad or anything. Just may not work with all cards OR have side effect of real bad GDDR5 degradation. I will still try to flash my card to ASUS.ROM again 2moro :D One Last try!
08-07-2008, 06:35 AM
AriciU

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brave758

mate could be the PSU ive heard that corsair psu and hd4xxx series cards don't play nice together?

Nah. It was the drivers. I'm using the 8.7's again and XP and the problem is gone. 8.8's work fine on Vista64 though and they fly thru everything. 40FPS on Crysis very high 1680 :D

http://ocidb.com/albums/userpics/101...high-40fps.jpg
08-07-2008, 10:21 AM
LuxZg

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriciU

Nah. It was the drivers. I'm using the 8.7's again and XP and the problem is gone. 8.8's work fine on Vista64 though and they fly thru everything. 40FPS on Crysis very high 1680 :D
IMAGE

WOW! :shocked: Nice score for 1680x1050 in DX10&64bit :clap:
I get just 22fps in 1280x1024 with my setup in DX10/64bit/very high :( But it's still playable on those settings, so I won't be spending another 700-800$ for getting your framerates :D Specially since it's just one game :rofl:
08-07-2008, 10:52 AM
LagunaX

Have you guys seen this thread?
4870 Diamond XOC BE BIOS (CCC upto 990MHz/1200MHz)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=196721
08-07-2008, 11:30 AM
GAR

Quote:

Originally Posted by LagunaX

Have you guys seen this thread?
4870 Diamond XOC BE BIOS (CCC upto 990MHz/1200MHz)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=196721

Yes, i dont know why this is more popular, but both bios's look good, im wondering which is actually better.
08-07-2008, 02:39 PM
purecain

the fan profile is better on this bios.... keeps gpu at 60c....
08-07-2008, 07:12 PM
AriciU

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuxZg

WOW! :shocked: Nice score for 1680x1050 in DX10&64bit :clap:
I get just 22fps in 1280x1024 with my setup in DX10/64bit/very high :( But it's still playable on those settings, so I won't be spending another 700-800$ for getting your framerates :D Specially since it's just one game :rofl:

Here's two runs with Crossfire disabled, single card. 1280x1024 very high and 1680x1050 very high. I think it scores the same as a GTX280 at 1680 very high.

http://ocidb.com/albums/userpics/101...280_single.jpg

http://ocidb.com/albums/userpics/101...680_single.jpg
08-07-2008, 07:35 PM
LagunaX

Flashed my new Visiontek hd4870 to the Asus Top bios. Runs fine 3dmark06/Vantage.
Initially wasn't impressed as my 8800gts 512mb @ 800/2000 scored 15022 and the hd4870 Top bios scored 15331 - thought it would be higher.
However, then ran Vantage. OC'ed 8800gts 512mb P6307 with game fps 16 and 17. Asus Top hd4870 scored P8357 with game fps 24 and 25.
Here is a screenie after the autotune in catalyst. Failed 3dmark06 but passed Vantage though a little choppy at times. What an oven and what a card!
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...uneVantage.jpg

The XFX 8800gts will be going toEbay or here pretty soon, lol. Actually the e8400 too as my e8600 is in the mail =).
08-08-2008, 11:12 AM
LuxZg

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriciU

Here's two runs with Crossfire disabled, single card. 1280x1024 very high and 1680x1050 very high. I think it scores the same as a GTX280 at 1680 very high.

Thanks for the scores! Now I can compare a bit.. looks like I'll have to invest in a bit better CPU over time anyway :)
08-10-2008, 02:52 AM
BulldogPO

I just flashed this bios to Sapphire card, soon to find out is there any difference.
08-17-2008, 10:35 AM
jhero

I backed up my original diamond bios and edited it with the same fan profile as this one but lowered all the fan percentages of the thresholds. I now idle at 60-61 instead of 77-78 at 25% fan speed. 25% seems to be the speed that works best for me at idle in terms of noise to cooling ratio. During gaming, the fan stays around 30-35% and I prefer it this way than the occasional burst of 100% fan speed from the original bios. My load stays under 75-76c

If anyone wants, I can post a screenshot of the profile
08-18-2008, 02:32 AM
LuxZg

Please do! Sounds like it works pretty fine, since it's 800MHZ overclocked card..
08-18-2008, 09:12 AM
jhero

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LuxZg

Please do! Sounds like it works pretty fine, since it's 800MHZ overclocked card..

Here is what I use, at idle I'm doing 62-63, full load in games it gets to 77 max

If you oc, might have to raise the fans a bit
08-23-2008, 12:40 AM
LagunaX

Switched to Catalyst 8.8.
Atiwinflashed a couple of times to see which was the best bios for my stock Visiontek HD4870:

Visiontek HD4870, stock cooler. e8600 @ 4.3ghz.
Catalyst 8.8, Futuremark Vantage

Diamond XOC bios 795/1100: P8762 GPU 8783 CPU 8701 1st 2 tests FPS 24.87/26.62 Idle 78c Load 85c

Asustek Top bios 815/925 : P8775 GPU 8838 CPU 8593 1st 2 tests FPS 25.09/26.72 Idle 54c Load 65c

Asus Top autotune: 865/1090

Diamond XOC autotune: 835/1150

Impression: At least on my Visiontek card (stock cooler) the Diamond XOC bios would pass Vantage BUT did not entirely seem stable as would rarely artifact but annoyingly would stutter and jump frames.
On the otherhand, the Asustek Top bios was very smooth and stable. Additionally idle and load temps were much better. Seems to be the better bios with stock cooling.

Additionally from Catalyst 8.7 to 8.8 on the Asus Top bios Vantage scores went from P8357 (24/25) to P8775 (25/26) =)
08-24-2008, 02:11 PM
MaxT

Holy crap, this is amazing. :)

Flashed this on my powercolor 4870 512MB.
Idle temps before 82: after: 60. Fan speed increased by 10%, so did the noise a little bit, but very tolerable.

Will test overdrive and 3d stability later.

Thanks!
08-24-2008, 10:53 PM
DefStar

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriciU

I'm having a very wierd problem. I'm using this bios on both cards and 8.8 beta drivers. I didn't try with 8.7 yet but i don't know if drivers could be causing this.

Anyway, the problem only happens in 2d stuff (desktop) and i can't replicate it on the fly. It's very random. I just browse the net and stuff and for some reason the display turns off, both cards spin their fans at 100% and it just sits like that. Windows still works but i get no display. I have to reboot to get it to work again. It's very annoying and very noisy :)

Anyone else getting this crap?

Yes, I have a Sapphire 4870 also and while running 8.7 drivers twice I had my display go out and the fan rev up just like you described. Now, I changed my drivers to 8.8 official today and I lost my display four times within an hour same problem as you described. So, I flashed back to the Sapphire bios and I'm having no problem with the 8.8 drivers now... Their is some kind of problem.
08-25-2008, 07:00 AM
|Oc|REvO_HsArC

Can I remove the OC limit if I dump my original bios and change it with RBE ?
08-25-2008, 07:25 AM
holwill

Quote:

Originally Posted by DefStar

Yes, I have a Sapphire 4870 also and while running 8.7 drivers twice I had my display go out and the fan rev up just like you described. Now, I changed my drivers to 8.8 official today and I lost my display four times within an hour same problem as you described. So, I flashed back to the Sapphire bios and I'm having no problem with the 8.8 drivers now... Their is some kind of problem.

Having exactly the same issue's, but they only started after 4 days of having cat's 8.8. Just flashed back to a newer Sapphire bios from tech powerup and I now have max overdrive clocks in ccc of 850/1200, this is a newer bios than my card came with. I had to use this one as my original bios I backed up would not load, although rbe reads it perfectly ok.:shrug:
08-25-2008, 09:04 AM
DefStar

Quote:

Originally Posted by holwill

Having exactly the same issue's, but they only started after 4 days of having cat's 8.8. Just flashed back to a newer Sapphire bios from tech powerup and I now have max overdrive clocks in ccc of 850/1200, this is a newer bios than my card came with. I had to use this one as my original bios I backed up would not load, although rbe reads it perfectly ok.:shrug:

Yeah, I am also using that bios from TechPowerUp, I did not back up my original. But I am having no problems with it so far. Also, when I flashed to the Sapphire bios I put my pci express on auto, as opposed to 105. I doubt that matters though. I will let you know if I have any problems.
08-28-2008, 03:45 PM
8800's@over

Let speeds card in 795/4400Mhz (Stable) has a problem?
It can reduce the useful life of GDDR5?

Cold cards.
09-19-2008, 06:00 PM
ultimate11

Quote:

Originally Posted by AriciU

I'm having a very wierd problem. I'm using this bios on both cards and 8.8 beta drivers. I didn't try with 8.7 yet but i don't know if drivers could be causing this.

Anyway, the problem only happens in 2d stuff (desktop) and i can't replicate it on the fly. It's very random. I just browse the net and stuff and for some reason the display turns off, both cards spin their fans at 100% and it just sits like that. Windows still works but i get no display. I have to reboot to get it to work again. It's very annoying and very noisy :)

Anyone else getting this crap?

same exact problem here what is wrong ? if i try to install anything over 8.7 system is unstable even if i am gaming or not .. anyone else having the same problem or fix for this ?

i am using his 4870 flashed to top asus bios and even 8.9 is giving the same problem while 8.7 is rock stable (winxp)
09-19-2008, 07:37 PM
lee_ang16

Question about flashing a 4870 with 1GB of memory

I was just wondering if this flash would work with the DIAMOND 4870PE51G Radeon HD 4870 1GB. I've noticed that most people using this flash have a 512 mb memory. Does the memory size make a difference?

Thanks,
Lee
09-19-2008, 07:52 PM
Rattle

1 Attachment(s)

best driver since 8.6 hotfix for me and using the asus bios i havnt had any weirdness unless i installed the beta drivers.
09-19-2008, 08:15 PM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by lee_ang16

I was just wondering if this flash would work with the DIAMOND 4870PE51G Radeon HD 4870 1GB. I've noticed that most people using this flash have a 512 mb memory. Does the memory size make a difference?

Thanks,
Lee

no, you'll want to use a BIOS made specifically for 1GB models. don't use the BIOSes we're using.
09-27-2008, 11:20 PM
Simsons2

Is it possible to flash bios from OS? Like it was with 1900XT to XTX?
If its not possible , is it possible to do it from bootable cd-rom? If yes please , someone , make a tutorial - i would really be thankful
09-29-2008, 09:05 PM
xMrBunglex

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simsons2

Is it possible to flash bios from OS? Like it was with 1900XT to XTX?
If its not possible , is it possible to do it from bootable cd-rom? If yes please , someone , make a tutorial - i would really be thankful

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...5&postcount=35
10-02-2008, 10:37 PM
Simsons2

Thanks man - it worked.:up:
10-05-2008, 06:19 PM
georgesod

Is there any bios for the 4870's with 1 gb ram?
10-06-2008, 05:58 AM
Paulo Jorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgesod

Is there any bios for the 4870's with 1 gb ram?

Here's one at techpowerup : http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/2...24.080819.html

Core: 800Mhz
Memory: 925Mhz

Don't know if it's the default or not
10-06-2008, 06:16 AM
Caped Crusader

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Jorge

Here's one at techpowerup : http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/2...24.080819.html

Core: 800Mhz
Memory: 925Mhz

Don't know if it's the default or not

Nope, those are not reference clocks. I advise everyone to be careful about flashing your cards with a 4870 1Gb BIOS with DDR5 frequency above stock. 1GB 4870's use double density DDR5 chips and they are more sensitive to higher frequencies.

My Sapphire 4870 1Gb can't take anything above 920Mhz (3680Mhz effective, even with the fan on full 100% duty) without getting massive artifacts all over the screen. I've seen people taking 4870 512Mb cards as high as 4000Mhz, and while they're being successful with those chips, somehow I don't think the 1Gb versions will go that high without dying or without a voltmod...

I'd be very careful with that.
10-14-2008, 08:51 AM
Lumske

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoF

So. Now that I had it installed, I tried to revert back to my backed up club3d BIOS. And it didn't work (blank screen). Nothing seemed to help, so I installed a spare 8600GT on the first PCI-e slot and the 4870 on the second in order to gain picture, and I succeeded in booting to dos with it. Then with atiflash I checked the current bios version of my 4870 and it sure was the Club3D one. So I figured maybe I'll try to reinstall it to see if it helps and I noticed that the Asus 4870 TOP BIOS was twice as large as my Club3D original backup. So my guess was that the original backup didn't quite succeed. I reflashed the Asus 4870 TOP BIOS on the card and it came back alive.

But I would like to have the original BIOS just in case I need it. And since it seems my backup isn't worth :banana::banana::banana::banana:, is there any other place I can get that BIOS from?

Edit: http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/1...12.080609.html

how did you reflash?
10-14-2008, 10:35 AM
truehighroller

I just bought one of these and I was able to get 850 / 1150 last night with my stock BIOS that came with it is this good?
10-19-2008, 11:30 PM
NapalmV5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Jorge

Here's one at techpowerup : http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/2...24.080819.html

Core: 800Mhz
Memory: 925Mhz

Don't know if it's the default or not

thanks!

works great on my sapphire 4870 1GB

stock bios @ stuck 950mhz mem

powercolor bios
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8462/4870co2.jpg

no vmods/stock voltages
10-21-2008, 05:58 AM
ghost_recon88

So is this Asus one the best, or this Diamond one, or this other one? :confused:
10-21-2008, 09:56 AM
SNiiPE_DoGG

this asus one is very very good, excellent profiles and such
10-23-2008, 03:19 PM
v3rax

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulo Jorge

Here's one at techpowerup : http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/2...24.080819.html

Core: 800Mhz
Memory: 925Mhz

Don't know if it's the default or not

So is the only 1gb BIOS anyone has found or tested yet? I just got an ASUS 1gb 4870 and want to try this BIOS flashing but want to make sure I am using one that someone has used and succeeded with.
10-24-2008, 03:00 PM
NapalmV5

flashes fine via atiflash :up:

sapphire @ powercolor bios + after vmods.. stock cooler/air cooling

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2458/9601090lc2.gif

begs to be cooled by the phase
10-24-2008, 06:07 PM
Caveman787

Wow amazing oc after vmod....highest I've seen yet.

Bet that flies...Voltage? Temps? Vantage? etc.
10-25-2008, 10:54 AM
NapalmV5

i havent monitored voltages yet.. i just went by trying different fixed resistors

temp is @ 40/below 40 C but full load is too much for the stock cooler/air

i can bench anywhere from 900-940 core/~1090 mem

ive never bothered with vantage
11-01-2008, 09:52 PM
truehighroller

This the highest I can get on stock voltages, is it good?

http://img60.imageshack.us/img60/2893/stockue5.jpg
11-11-2008, 07:51 AM
Hatori_Hanzo

I have Connect3d 4870 512mb,and I just flashed it like this thread http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=270097 and I killed the card even I got "successful" after flashing like the guide on dos mode,the screen go blank and the card died:confused:,I got new one same card yesterday :yepp: and Im afraid to flash him.can you help me with this please and tell me what I did wrong? what bios ver. I need to flash my card and guide to flash?
this is my card: Connect3D Radeon HD4870 OC 512MB AC Twint Turbo DDR5 PCIe
http://www.foxpc.co.il/UploadImages/634586_20AOC.jpg
thank you and I hope for an answer

Hatori_Hanzo
11-11-2008, 09:02 AM
SubtleOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatori_Hanzo

I have Connect3d 4870 512mb,and I just flashed it like this thread http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=270097 and I killed the card even I got "successful" after flashing like the guide on dos mode,the screen go blank and the card died:confused:,I got new one same card yesterday :yepp: and Im afraid to flash him.can you help me with this please and tell me what I did wrong? what bios ver. I need to flash my card and guide to flash?
this is my card: Connect3D Radeon HD4870 OC 512MB AC Twint Turbo DDR5 PCIe

Well, the question is what you hope to gain by flashing the BIOS.

My card is a reference design Gainward 4870(512), running very well, with a very bad fan profile. It alternated from 22% (silent) to the sound of a jet turbine, with little between the two. Idle was at 77 C. and load at over 90C. I wasn't happy.

You have a card that comes OCed and has a good cooling system. Are you unsatisfied with it? Is it too loud?
11-11-2008, 09:11 AM
Hatori_Hanzo

its not loud at all,the temp are good(44C idle,51c load),I OC limited to 800/1100..I have good air cooling and I want more OC..thats the main reason..
11-11-2008, 09:16 AM
Caveman787

Hatori, Hows the voltage regulator and memory cooling on that card?

Just wondering because it seem's some have good gpu cooling but they don't put anything on the memory or VRM's and that's not good.
11-11-2008, 01:51 PM
Hatori_Hanzo

the voltage regulator and memory cooling are good,anyone can help with my problem please?
11-11-2008, 02:34 PM
SubtleOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatori_Hanzo

its not loud at all,the temp are good(44C idle,51c load),I OC limited to 800/1100..I have good air cooling and I want more OC..thats the main reason..

You can use Rivatuner 2.11. I don't think it accepts hotfix#2 (driver v8.55.1), but it does accept the previous one.

If you really insist on editing your BIOS, here is how I did it in Vista 64:

1) I create a directory called C:\Bios and put RBE 1.17, Atiwinflash (and files), and the BIOS in it.

2) I edit the BIOS with RBE 1.17 and save it with an easy name ("New4870bios.rom") in C:\Bios.

3) I uninstall the CCC drivers. It asks to reboot, I refuse and click on "cancel".

4) I open the Command Prompt and type "CD.." two times. I then type "CD Bios".

5) I am careful the HD is not running (red light is off) as I don't want anything that might interrupt the operation.

6) I type "Atiwinflash -p -f 0 New4870Bios.rom". (that is a zero after -f, not the letter O)

7) Vista asks permission to continue, I click Allow, and then wait. After it is finished, it asks to reboot, and I click Ok. If it is NOT successful, I will reflash immediately, and not reboot (though this never happened, and I've flashed a half dozen times already).

8) After rebooting, I install the drivers, and that is it.

BTW, how is the card cooling the VRM? Special heatsinks?
11-11-2008, 06:01 PM
Think

I have the Asus 4870x2 and installed the latest drivers but the default speed for overclocking is 800 and 1000....I'm confused.:confused::confused::confused::confused:: confused:
11-11-2008, 11:41 PM
Hatori_Hanzo

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubtleOne

You can use Rivatuner 2.11. I don't think it accepts hotfix#2 (driver v8.55.1), but it does accept the previous one.

If you really insist on editing your BIOS, here is how I did it in Vista 64:

1) I create a directory called C:\Bios and put RBE 1.17, Atiwinflash (and files), and the BIOS in it.

2) I edit the BIOS with RBE 1.17 and save it with an easy name ("New4870bios.rom") in C:\Bios.

3) I uninstall the CCC drivers. It asks to reboot, I refuse and click on "cancel".

4) I open the Command Prompt and type "CD.." two times. I then type "CD Bios".

5) I am careful the HD is not running (red light is off) as I don't want anything that might interrupt the operation.

6) I type "Atiwinflash -p -f 0 New4870Bios.rom". (that is a zero after -f, not the letter O)

7) Vista asks permission to continue, I click Allow, and then wait. After it is finished, it asks to reboot, and I click Ok. If it is NOT successful, I will reflash immediately, and not reboot (though this never happened, and I've flashed a half dozen times already).

8) After rebooting, I install the drivers, and that is it.

BTW, how is the card cooling the VRM? Special heatsinks?

in previous flash I got successful also and then the card died after reboot(screen go blank permanently)..are you sure wich bios ROM I should use for my card?
11-12-2008, 05:52 AM
SubtleOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatori_Hanzo

in previous flash I got successful also and then the card died after reboot(screen go blank permanently)..are you sure wich bios ROM I should use for my card?

You seem to not understand. I suggested you use Rivatuner if you want to OC. There is no reason to edit the BIOS.
11-13-2008, 01:34 AM
Hatori_Hanzo

Im trying..I understand that you suggesting OC from a software,I just installed the new catalyst 8.11..are you know a software that support overclocking with this driver? cause RT 2.11 doesnt..

b.t.w

I know that on motherboards for example some bioses better to get more performance,Im just thinking that this is the same on GPU...in CCC I can OC the GPU max to 800MHZ and I see people here get better results..in my case,my current default bios that came with the card can limit me to OC from a software to those results?

EDIT:

ok,I uninstall the new driver and reinstall 8.10(non hotfix),now riva tuner 2.11 work perfectly.Im now 850/1100..there is a tool that find automatic the best clocks for GPU & memory? and how I check stability?
11-14-2008, 02:07 PM
SubtleOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hatori_Hanzo

Im trying..I understand that you suggesting OC from a software,I just installed the new catalyst 8.11..are you know a software that support overclocking with this driver? cause RT 2.11 doesnt..

b.t.w

I know that on motherboards for example some bioses better to get more performance,Im just thinking that this is the same on GPU...in CCC I can OC the GPU max to 800MHZ and I see people here get better results..in my case,my current default bios that came with the card can limit me to OC from a software to those results?

EDIT:

ok,I uninstall the new driver and reinstall 8.10(non hotfix),now riva tuner 2.11 work perfectly.Im now 850/1100..there is a tool that find automatic the best clocks for GPU & memory? and how I check stability?

My number one test for stability is 3DMark06. I run it 2-3 times (I remove the CPU tests), and if it completes with no problems, there is a good chance the OC is stable. It will show stability problems before other tests. 3DMark Vantage is weaker for this. My second test is the Crysis Benchmark (Benchmark_gpu and Assault Harbor), but you can only use this benchmark if you have Crysis installed.
11-25-2008, 01:00 PM
doronav02

4870x2 asus top sapphire card

does anyone have the crossfire disabled in the gpu-z?
maybe its because of the asus top bios?
please just experts
thanks

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