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This is a great review. Thanks for focusing on minimum fps. All reviews should do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by metro.cl
On a separate note, the idle power consumption of the 4870 is a little worrying. Hopefully a driver fix can drop the ~40W extra it seems to be using over competing cards.
Great - now where are these 1GB Vram cards, I want two :D
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5208/17144.png
http://images.hardwarecanucks.com/im...THD4870-73.jpg
Who said RV770 consumed like a GTX280????????????????????????????
Here's another review. Crossfire included :) Looks great.
http://techreport.com/articles.x/14990
From The Tech Report review:
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-4870/etqw-2560.gif
What about this safan? :D
Grab one, and rant about microstutter? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
j/k. :p:
omg, look at those Assassins Creed "unpatched" scores :)
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-...ssinscreed.gif
If a little render saving from DX 10.1 can give the RV770 gains like that, NVidia definitely has a reason to and snuff out 10.1 in any way they can
I'm against CF but eh, he wants FPS and here he has FPS :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
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Originally Posted by Miwo
Of course none of the reviews show GTX280 SLI for a fair comparison.
Nvidia has until August to enable SLI on Intel AND rethink their pricing, because the CF 4870 is going to turn their sales of both 260's (for SLI) and 280's to mush. What 2 years of waiting could not do to bring SLI to Intel chipsets, is now absolutely required or they will be forced to sell chips at a loss to get sales at all.
The first adopters will always be there, but a few months of this competition and it will belong to ATI for this round. The 55nm 200 chip won't be fast enough and won't come soon enough to help NV.
It's going to be funny to watch them eat humble pie, and all that while Larrabee moves in to finish off what's left...
Great review SKYMTL and the honesty I felt on the last page was refreshing.
600$ vs 649$ is a "fair" comparison IMO. If not unfair considering the extra 50$ you have to pay for a single 280.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceevee
Anandtech shows it vs GTX 280 SLI anyway. The nvidia cards win in Crysis, Quakewars, Assasins Creed and Oblivion. The 4870's beat 2 x GTX280's in COD4, The witcher and Bioshock. For 1300$ the two GTX 280's should've wiped the floor with the ATI's in any game.
Quad CS VS 2X Sli would be fair (price ratio). :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by AriciU
Amazing performance from ATI's side. :up:
Now we just wait for quad CF and GTX280 will be completely blown from the market. (Of course if they manage to optimize their driver support)
I think that Nvidia will be adjusting it's prices accordingly, otherwise I don't see them coming out with positive profits.
I think QUAD CF would give like 1fps :P It's horribly bugged. 2 work the best from what i've seen in Tweaktown's review with 4850's (quad/tri/dual) -> http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1475/Quote:
Originally Posted by XSAlliN
What an awesome card. ATI are FINALLY competitive again. But you have to wonder what games are left that can't run extremely well at high res (where you really don't need that much AA) other than crysis on any half decent graphics card these days. Does it really matter after 60fps??
Actually the only game it really wins in is Bioshock and CoD4 (by about 10 frames). In the witcher 4850CF wins by 1.1 frames which is within any margin of error.Quote:
Originally Posted by AriciU
But then there is stuff like this where 4870 is just stomped:
http://techreport.com/r.x/radeon-hd-4870/etqw-2560.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by ceevee
:confused:
Welcome to the great world of CF, where you'll never know what to expect ;)
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Originally Posted by jcool
oficialy till now there is only 512mb version anounced !
btw: 4870 is great card no doubt!
we must recognize that AMD/ATi done a great job with HD4000 séries :up:
anandtech review is very good !
best regards
HD4870
me likes :yepp:
Reviews are great! I was really interested in seeing the CF results.
Thanks guys
Are there any retailers selling it yet?
Is the 4870x2 still scheduled to be released next month?
HD4870 CF = $600Quote:
Originally Posted by ceevee
GTX 280 SLI = $1200 - $1300
From every standpoint I can think of, that isn't a "fair comparison".
AMD wins single graphics card, Nvidia wins multi gpu
9800gtx + seems to be faster than HD4870 in Sli/ Crossfire, but HD4870 is the faster single card.
no, not at all, xfire scales better than sli, just give the 4800 drivers some time, g92's been out for over half a year now, those drivers are mature already. Also I don't see nvidia winning the multi-gpu high end either, if ati does get the 4870x2 to act as a single gpu, then there's no chance of that, however if it comes down to quadfire vs gtx 280 sli, then that might be a different story since not many games support crossfireX/quad sli very well
OMG dude stop bashing ati, the benchs the 9800gtx+ sli won are like 3 and the rest ati wins by a very very healthy margin, and usually the ones the 9800gtx won are the ones were Cf doesnt work at allQuote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
Erm.. no.Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
I'll wait for the 1GB version for sure. I'm not buying a new GFX card that has actually less Vram than my "old" card, lol.
Isn't that the same as not upgrading from a P4 until the new CPUs have more Mhz?Quote:
Originally Posted by jcool
No, not really. The 4870 is fast, yes, but in order to handle the upcoming games on my 24" properly it will need a lot more than just 512MB.
You don't run a 5Ghz Yorkfield with 1GB DDR3 either... Speed is nothing without capacity.
well, iv been saying this for a while now, and ill say it again:Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
both crossfire and sli use very simliar afr methods to balance the load between the cards, so they basically scale the same. so the card that is the faster single card will generally be also faster in sli/crossfire. exceptions are if that card in question is a dual gpu card. then it gets tricky.
:rofl: ..noQuote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
simply put, you're trying to analogize capacity vs frequency.:idea:
512Mb isn't enough for high(est)end anymore, that's for sure. I remember seeing a couple of games that scratch the 512Mb usage when in 1920*1200 + filters.
LOLOLOLOL @ nvidiots in this thread
ceevee are you seriously comparing a $1300 to $600 solution? :rofl:
oh and 4870X2 will take the single card crown, obviously, those are just the hard facts man
ati ftw!!!!
how about some 4870 x3 and x 4 :)
[H] review is up too :up:
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/articl...50aHVzaWFzdA==
LE: Just finished reading it. I'm surprised they only used 3 games to test. It seemed like a very rushed review. Hope they go into more detail with CF and more benches.
haha the only review that saves nvidia is the one that gamespot posted worst of all :ROTF: bad thing is that all gamers will look at that tests before buying
I'm only going to say this once.
Ceevee, the 4870 is $299, the GTX 280 is $649.
The impracticality of your comparison would already be apparent had you gone on a tirade with GTX 260 numbers because even that is a $100 more and not in the same segment. Respect the card for what you get for $299. Had it been $599 your views would have been valid, but it isn't.
The 4870X2 will be the competitor to the SINGLE GTX 280. Prices are what set segments in the GPU market, not your definition of segment equality.
Someone who is considering the 4870 on the ~$300 segment but wishes to see the Nvidia equivalent ISN'T going to check out the GTX 280 just because you want him to. He/She will check out the GX2 (which is $430+) and the GTX 260 at best.
A proper comparison would be 4870CF ($599) vs GTX 280 ($649). You don't compare a Mercedes with a Ferrari, you don't compare a single 4870 with a GTX 280, even if the former's performance comes very close to the latters.
Perkam
:ROTF: How the hell did Gamespot get those BS results in COD4 when everyone else shown the card performing the best in that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by eric66
Finally, AMD have done something right. It's time to back to ATi again.
Another one.... http://www.legitreviews.com/article/734/1/
I'm soooo tempted right now to order the GeCube HD4870 for 249 Euros. I'm not sure how long I'll have to wait for it though....
As for the [H] review, it should be said that EVERYONE'S review of these cards was rushed. Reviewers only received their cards earlier in the week which really doesn't leave much time for anything in terms of content.
From all the reviews I have been reading today, the only one that really stands out for me the that Gamespot review. What happened there? :shakes:
when are the 1gb version's available?
Would i see much difference @ 1920 x 1200 ???
I'm getting 2 x 4870 on a x48 board.e8400 @ 4ghz
cheeers!!
Knowing gamespot, they probably got paid by nvidia $ :p:
Wouldn't put it past them. I don't visit that site anymore since the Gerstman crap (I actually blocked it in the router lol), were their totally different or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_...0_performance/
GTX 260 beats the 4870 in COD4 according to them...
When are we gonna see 4870's on newegg?
Nvidia muss more price cut :down:
I've heard from a relatively reliable source (not usually wrong about his sayings) that a 448MB GTX260 might be on schedule, just like it happened with 8800GTS 640MB/320MB. I don't know it's estimated price, but surely sound like an interesting move from nVidia...Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
Not so easy with a chip that big ;) They'll have to wait until they get their G200 in 55 nm, then they might cut the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by 865pe
Wow, what a surprise... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by AriciU
Should be here by the end of this week or first week of July. Around the same time 9800GTX+ should start hitting GTX+s too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by natty
@Firingsquad numbers. The GTX 260 numbers look inflated. Compare them to GTX 280 numbers. The margin is WAY too small at higher resolutions in COD4.
@Luka. That would be amazing for $299, but the slightly lesser performance might hurt the GTX 260's overall image.
Perkam
I couldn't resist any more and just ordered one. :p:
Hopefully I won't be waiting long, I can't stand my pathetic 7900GT any longer!
May need to crank that Q6600 a tad higher to avoid bottleneck, but you're good to go with either of the offerings this time around, unlike last time where Nvidia had the undeniable advantage ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.X
Perkam
yap, you're right about that, but GTX260 has some favorable points over HD4870, like slightly lower power consumption, better stock cooling and it has nVidias drivers (yes, I love nVidia drivers + nTune)Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I'm not even talking about PhysX, because right now it's nothing but 3 maps in UT3 and a Vantage issue, although some people claim Grid benefits performance improvements with PhysX, I'm not sure if thats true or not, but the game really seems to run smoother at level 8 AA...
Anyway, I think everyone going with an HD4870 should replace stock cooler with an aftermarket solution, the stock cooler sucks.
i would also like to know...does 1gb really make a difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
I have a pair of Club3d 4870s on preorder! Can't wait..
Yeah, maybe 512MB with enough compression/optimizations is just enough right now, but that's not the point. Back when I bought my 8800 GTS 640, most people went for the cheaper 320MB version instead, saying the big vram isn't needed. Look where they are now, most games are unplayable in decent resolutions, whereas any G80 with enough ram and decent clocks still owns any game in DX9 mode.Quote:
Originally Posted by LOE
I benched my G80 vs. an 8800 GT in Crysis, and my old G80 kicked the G92's butt in 1920x1200 simply because the GT ran out of vram.
512MB is fine for CF with AFR (IF it works properly, that is) but it's simply not enough to make a card last at least one year.
I seriously hope they will release a 1GB version at all, if not I'll have to go GTX 260 :>
after all the hype i was expecting better.
and to say it beats some SLI setups' is nothing special since those that it beat,, SLI wasnt even working properly correct? better make sure before you go spouting off that it beats sli...
Great video cards!:clap: It was about time! Can't wait to see the first HIS IceQ version of 4870 or even 4870x2:cool:
Nvidia take a look here, this is The Way It's Meant To Be Played!
ya i want a 1GB card as well.
my 8800GTS 320MB absolutely sucked when i moved up to 1680x1050.
and my 8800GTS 512MB still chokes in Oblivion with high textures.
a 1GB card better come soon!
RV770 is actually better than promised by the hype :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lestat
I don't think anyone expected the 4870 to beat the GTX260. It is amazing that a 260mm^2 chip could do that to a 560mm^2 chip.
I gotta tell you, moving from nvidia to ATI, ATI has good image quality, better than nvidia.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
There are few comparison screens out there, both of IQ and AA/AF performance. Most reviewers fire up FRAPS and do some pretty graphs, that's it.
Comparison shots would be nice and I wish reviewers would actually do that.
LOL @ the Nvidia fanboys... Ceevee etc.
2x HD4870 is a perfect and fair comparison to a single GTX 280. First of all 2x HD4870s are cheaper than a single GTX 280 and not to mention, in half of the cases, 2x HD4870s destroys 2x GTX 280s.
HD4870 is definitely the best card for the price.
Read'em and weep Nvidia fanboys!
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=23Quote:
A pair of Radeon HD 4850s can come close to the performance of a GeForce GTX 280, and a pair of Radeon HD 4870s are faster across the board - not to mention that they should be $50 less than the GTX 280 and will work on motherboards with Intel-chipsets. Quite possibly more important than the fact that AMD's multi-GPU strategy has potential is the fact that it may not even be necessary for the majority of gamers
Time to ditch the ****ty nvidia chipsets for Intel chipsets and pick up 2 HD4870s!
Yes, it does by default, but you can achieve the same color correction with nVidia's cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
I didn't know you could cuss in reviews from Canada :D
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Originally Posted by AriciU
I don't know about Gamespot, they seem to be lost in space with that "review" or whatever it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by AriciU
Firingsquad, they show a pattern of making NV look good, no surprise to me.
And if it makes the Nvidia crowd feel better, yes NV still has the performance crown. Problem is, those products/price brackets occupy ~2% of total sales.
Yea, looking at firingsquad benches, they always make Nvidia look good, I wouldn't trust their benchmarks.Quote:
Originally Posted by eleeter
Yea Nvidia has the performance crown, but who in their right mind would pick up 2x GTX 280s, when you can pick up 2x HD 4870s for $700 cheaper. Not to mention, according to Anand, CF has the potential to scale higher than SLI. Once AMD works out the kinks in their drive, I'm sure HD4870s in single and CF will outperform single/SLI GTX 280s more frequently.
2 HIS 4870's headed my way as we speak, newegg has em boys get em while they're hot!
@whoever commented about a comparison between 8800 320 mb and 8800 640 mb, it doesn't work the same way with different architectures, the ATI cards do MUCH better with clearing large textures out and replacing them so that you dont really need as much vram
FYI
3 Flavors of the 4870 are in stock @ the Egg. $309.99 + $7.59 shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scription=4870
they must have just put them up!Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
wow this is getting better and better by the minute!
care to share some of these magic secrets? watching video on this 8600 is bawlsQuote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
About 25min ago ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ripken204
oh gawdQuote:
Originally Posted by Luka_Aveiro
1- powerplay isn't working , but thats not going to help load issues but only idle heat and power consumption , and maybe load heat if the fan isnt spinning like it should
2- what!! Nvidia drivers are Bawls , nvidia controll panel is such a pain! , CCC is much much better...
bah physX can you say Havok?
cool you have a 4870?...... if not you cant really comment on the stock cooler from reading about it on DA INTARWEBZ:rofl:
you also forgot to mention that the 260 is a good bit more expensive?
hmmm which to choose...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hard H20
Wow, several of the 4850s dropped to about 150 after MIR @ newegg(See slickdeals.net)
That's one hell of a card for $299. It's really close and almost equal in some games to the really expensive GTX 280. I think ATI got this man...
lol OOSQuote:
Originally Posted by emoners
Is this card compatible with current HD3870 coolers or not?
so doing a quick search i see that many people recommend VisionTek??
im coming from NVIDIA so i have no idea for these ATI AIB Partners.
I usually buy from companies in the top 2 warranty. But just so you know, they are no EVGA counterpart for ATI's. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by ripken204
Been a long time since one of my machines sported an ATI (now AMD) video card, (I still remember the 9700 pro fondly). The price/performance is simply too good to ignore; keep in mind I have the money and lack of sense to buy a GTX 280. Just ordered the PowerColor brand and will have it in a couple days, can't wait to see how it performs on my setup.
Canuk's review list several coolers they found compatible, including the Thermalright HR-03 GT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linchpin
For some odd reason I can't access the first page of their review, but if you do a google search you can access all the other pages.
Is newegg out of stock allready? or were they just updating inventory.
Apparently the Accelero S1 from Arctic Cooling and the HR03 GT from Thermalright fit. Just from what I've heard on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linchpin
The fan is working, like it should, read expreview review.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
That's your opinion, I have mine. Agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
I'm talking about GPU PhysX, not CPU :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
Then no one can talk about performance numbers red on DA INTARWEBZ :rofl: :rolleyes:, unless they don't own the cards. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
I thought that was what reviews were for, to give us a slight idea of what the card is, without having to purchase it :rolleyes:
I saw no review talking good about temps or noise, most of them don't even show temperatures, guess a negative point like that would ruin a bit of hype, huh?
I was talking about an hypothetical 448MB GTX260.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
If magic secrets are ignorance erasers, here you go:Quote:
Originally Posted by Papu
Video Image Settings
Video Color Settings
Desktop Color Settings
Pictures taken from my desktop, if you would like to learn a little more, feel free to PM me. :)
Woo, looks like I got my PowerColor 4870 in the nick of time. Newegg charged my card and says its good to go and I've never had a stock issue with them in the 7 or so years I've been a customer.Quote:
Originally Posted by keninishna
When I ordered mine an hour ago the HIS and PowerColor were in stock, the Sapphire wasn't.
i lol'dQuote:
Originally Posted by seamumc
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Originally Posted by seamumc
I made the cut as well, ordered 2, card charged. I'm hoping this was not a stock screw up and they actually had these in stock when we ordered. Now the nervous pace begins until Fedex arrives tomorrow. :up:
im sorry i must have smoked too much good stuff last night after my finals... cause i just read hot hardware review and 4870 SLI beat 1 GTX 280 by 1fps!!!!!!!!!! plus 9800+ beat 4850 and in SLI beat both 4870 and 4850 in CF mode... i'd rather buy 1 gtx280 now and upgrade to SLI or tri-SLI later then buy 2 4870s in CF now or that new RV770 chip... nvidia got it right again just like the 8800gtx... now i just wish SLI worked on an intel chipset :(
ugh, Newegg sales tax =[
Best Buy also has (or did, not sure if they still do) the 4870 in stock with free shipping and at MSRP to boot
Shhhhhh....I let that one slip in @ 3:00am. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingcarcas
and with sales tax to bootQuote:
Originally Posted by Heretic
If you only play Crysis I guess that would be the right choice. If you make a decision like this on one review and results from one game........I guess that really was some good stuff thats still affecting your judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whokidmo
Sorry, we were getting hammered for the last 12 hours. Here is our aftermarket cooler install page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Linchpin
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/a...5208/17137.png
This has to be an error right? Crossfire 4870's scoring over twice as high as a single 4870???