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Originally Posted by Beefy22
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/2331/madcatqh0.jpg !!!!
Plus, there are confirmations around the net that this card might end up $199.99 to compensate for the GTX 260 price drop :D :D :D
Perkam
Kai, what cpu speed just to make it even?
Thanks to all for the great responses. The vista crysis fail may be fixed, a reader at TPU has a work around, I will try it tonight. I am also desperatly in need of some tool which can oc this beast beyond CCC limits. if any coders out there can get one working I would appreciate it, just PM me so I see it quick. I can provide bios dumps etc.
i run my E4300@ 3240Mhz (360x9)
What GTX 260 price drop? I hope they continue to try to undercut each other! What did you do to that cat?Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
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So far so excellent jimmy! :woot:
To be honest, performance is a little bit disappointing, my OC'ed 8800GS can do almost the same. :(
Okay, maybe OC-potencial is great, drivers will be improved and so on, but that's definetively no real big-time. :shrug: (Doesn't mean I don't want to play with them ;))
I was just looking and my 3850 single card best run was 14458 in 06 with the cpu @ 4.9ghz and ram tweaked, on a stripped install of xp.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
This card at stock with no tweaks and cpu at 4ghz and ram loose is only 50 points behind....
What I did to the cat is under NDA, sorry :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by msgclb
The GTX 260 was originally priced at $449, as can been seen in Nvidia's own slides. It is now $399 :)
Perkam
[QUOTE=GoldenTiger;3060286]I'm hearing $299 for the 512 and $329-349 for the 1GB around the various forums... sounds reasonable to me. The memory's expensive but not so expensive it will boost the price obscenely.
Think ill just hang in there and wait tell they go down to 150$ in six months. :D Heck maybe even three the way things are.
The reason , I ask is cause my 8800GTS returns these results, and i want to see how the 4850 does in comparison:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
1600x1200 high no AA vga stock:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...s1600x1200.jpg
1600x1200 high AAx4 af x16 vga stock:
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...0x1200AAx4.jpg
1600x1200 high AAX4 AFx16 vga oc diários
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c1...simvalendo.jpg
Coming soon 4870 40 TMUS?!!!!!!!!
The 4870 is only a faster clocked 4850. They have the same number of TMUs, which is believed to be 32.Quote:
Originally Posted by doomwill
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Originally Posted by doomwill
model of the monitor used??
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Originally Posted by BRiT
yep , difference is only clocks and GDDR3 (2Ghz) Vs GDDR5 (3.6Ghz)
regards
Nice, I think the GDDR5 would help a lot but I'm going for 2x 4850s myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Current setup does this, compare to 24FPS average for ONE 4850, while this is 8800GT 512 SLI:
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/1...12660cofz5.jpg
4850 = nice! So, will we be able to use atitool/rivatuner/etc. to overclock crossfire 4850s, or gonna have to wait for BIOS flashes for CCC again?
So, basically, 4850 has better score in 1680x1050 on crysis high than 8800GT SLI?
model of the monitor used?? AOC 416-VA Monitor LCD 24" Widescreen max resolution 1920 x 1200 @ 60 Hz .:DQuote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
http://www.aoc.com.br/2007/php/index...=211&ctg_id=57
We are talking about two different cpus, different frequences, etc. Although we can expect to see something that close.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
It's slightly lower... 24FPS (4850 stock) vs. 28FPS (GT overclocked SLI). I'm impressed :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
This is awasome :) I am looking forward to 4870 review :)
Wait till I clock it up some:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
I'm wondering if my 8800GT will be pwned by the 4850....it probably will, but by how much will determine if i get one :)
1680 x 1050 no aa high settingsQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
35 FPS
1680 x 1050 4x aa high settings
24 FPS
1900 x 1200 no aa high settings
30 FPS
1900 x 1200 4 x aa high settings
20 FPS
NOT bad :)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4...thighseke3.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4...gsdx916dz1.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8...aastocknk7.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8...012004xac7.jpg
3870 has only 64 SP which are capable of 5 operations per cycle = 320. Does 4870 have 160 SP ? Oh yeah, and 3870 has only 16 TF/TMU, same as X1900 or X2900 - what about this one?
seems 32-40 TMUQuote:
Originally Posted by XSAlliN
Posted by no-x and spadjr at B3dQuote:
fillrate - single texturing:
HD4850: ~ 7300
HD3870: ~ 6500
RV670X2: ~ 11400
GTX 280: ~ 14300
fillrate - multi texturing:
HD4850: ~ 19800
HD3870: ~ 12300
RV670X2: ~ 25300
GTX 280: ~ 40177
pixel shader:
HD4850: ~ 680
HD3870: ~ 360
RV670X2: ~ 710
GTX 280: ~ 845
vertex shader - simple:
HD4850: ~ 292
HD3870: ~ 315
RV670X2: ~ ?
GTX 280: ~ 246
vertex shader - complex:
HD4850: ~ 160
HD3870: ~ 180
RV670X2: ~ 370
GTX 280: ~ 119
shader particles:
HD4850: ~ 160
HD3870: ~ 90
RV670X2: ~ 170
GTX 280: 177
perlin noise:
HD4850: ~ 335
HD3870: ~ 175
RV670X2: ~ 355
GTX 280: ~ 300
Going by those numbers and clocks, its 32TMU's for the 4850
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Yes and no. it had less affect on the 4850 but see for yourself. I updated the second post to show the scores since I feel lots of people would be using lower cpu speeds and lower res.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Thanks for that Jimmy, but whats the framerate on the custom config WITHOUT any AA, and is there a big increase in framerates once you clock it back to 4Ghz, again with the same config?
I think i may have to invest in one of these....and then maybe another at some point :)
picture three unless i'm missing something. 36fps. with no aa custom configQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
Aaaah - gotcha, i see now :)
7fps improvement....how smoothly did it look...and more importantly, how GOOD did it look? :D
It´s not pretende 4850 vga card maestream?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
These runs at 3240 Mhz on the cpu. including custom config runs.
A member ask me to post a comparison with his rig. so this is for Kai. But I figured the rest of you might like a lower cpu run or two. these also are at 1400 x 960 so that might be of use to some also. this represents a midrange rig a little better.?performance down:down:
It looks good but it is scaling from my native 1920 x 1200. I went ahead and jumped back up to 4.8ghz and ran instead. slowed the ram just so I wouldn't have any probs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
[IMG]http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8...9customjr8.jpg[/IMG]
doomwill, what do you mean it is not a mainstream card? I don't get your post. please explain better.:)
Sorry dude, but Crysis is bugged by Driver on HD4850
My scores with HD3870 (@855) single and E6400 (STOCK):
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m...enger/3870.jpg
VERSUS 4850:
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/624/customnoaapf7.jpg
This is looking more and more awesome.
I wish my motherboard supported SLI... So now I have to decide whether to go cheap and get a 4850, spend a litter more for a 4870 (probably the best choice), or wait for the 4870 X2.
Jimmiz what's the difference with lightmark 2007 on Vista and on XP (it does a big difference)?
I know it does 399 FPS but.. which OS?
Wow, 41fps eh? Okay looks like one of these made my shopping list!
I speak to vga 4850 can not be considered a mainstream card, with that low xcore in crysis, where is the problem?
In which segment it fits, near vga that can place it? Future drivers will have chance to improve?
Erm - hate to break it to you, but it IS a mainstream card, in the price point its aimed at, and it outperforms my 8800GT....
Will you do a few game benches @ 3.0ghz, nobody who buys a HD4850 will have a QX9650 @ 4.80ghz :D
Crysis benches are meh, I sold one of my 8800gtx's for €210 2 weeks ago and this card is not faster..
use the 3.24 Ghz as before, maybe? Most C2D's can do that at the very least!
Those results make it a bit faster than 8800gts, which are alot cheaper..Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
8800gts $146
http://fxvideocards.com/ZOTAC-GeForc...d-p-16280.html
That was xp pro, it does 270 on vista same clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ORBR
and Dragonavenger, I have different drivers, You have a card with GDDR4 and 225mhz more core clock, and you are showing a shot where I was using Kai's custom config file. the results are not comparable. that is why I used big type above the pics:cool:
no comment ,you have something wrong with OSQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Single card 8800GT stock MSI OC
http://images30.fotosik.pl/230/47923791105cd41a.jpg
right picture is 4850 stock clocks
http://images32.fotosik.pl/285/1db01dfdf261372d.jpg
tuesday i`ll install Abit in9 32max plus 2x8800GT and i`m going show real score with SLI
What opnião its sincere that vga 4850? Segment which fits it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
nice benchmark, well i got mine 3870 last year, desember i think just in time for xmas ;P
woowee, i'm definitely throwing my 1950pro out for this :clap:
thanks for this awsome thread :)
Eh, this will likely be cheaper than an 8800GTS 512...which are still at least £60 more than the 8800GT's here (which are £120 at least ($240))
HD4850 wont be cheaper than £120/ €152 on launch imo, they will be nearer £130Quote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
I used to have the same problem with the benchmark, where it would just start the game with the dev mode thing on in the corner. To get it working I had to compleatly remove everything from Crysis and the benchmark off the HDD, then reinstall both the game and the benchmark. After that it worked.
I personally feel the benchmark is more of a worse case senario or something. At 1680x1050 all very high no AA, I can play the game with steady frames (over 22 90% of the time), and it only slows down when there are over 30 guys around me. Thats with a single Sapphire Toxic 3870 at stock clocks, and a E8400 at 3.8. The benchmark however, says 16fps with those settings.
Something wrong? Doubtful, it's a fresh clean install... I do have HQ 16x AF and MSAA transparency set in the control panel, maybe that affects it? If there's something wrong, what would you say it might be, rather than just "something wrong", not very helpful?Quote:
Originally Posted by chri5g
And this card is supposed to be next-gen? My "last-gen" g92 GTS scores better in synthetic benchmarks and games. Dont get me wrong i aint no nvidia fanboi but this is dissapointing.
seem like only 1 card runningQuote:
Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
2x 8800GT SLi @ 1680x1050 @ High settings @ DX9 = 28 fps (i think is only 1 card score)
regards
Your GTS wasn't $200 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BuBBle.D
You can compare your GTS with the 4870 GDDR5, though :)
Perkam
Does sound low, but I don't get why GPU-Z shows SLI enabled, so does control panel and everything else then :(.Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
8800gts is now $150 so he can compare all he wants..Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
HD4870 will be taking them on in SLI :D
Isn't 29 fps at 19x12 al high in crysis really good? am i missing something? the review posted by a magazine said the GTX 280 would run crysis at the same configs at 34 fps?
Review posted in the magazine is a load of crap, GTX 280 will be twice as fast as HD4850 at that res ( if not more )...
And i highly doubt that even the higher clocked and full of bandwith 4870 will score a lot better in games than a 4850. We have seen what a small jump it is from a 3850 to a 3870.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
I really hoped i would switch this time back to the reds only too bad i wont. :(
what??? 8800gts g92 is 150?? where?? omg i'd be so pissed ! i bought my 9600gt for 169 with $20 rebate!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
at fxvideocards.com , check the op's first post .Quote:
Originally Posted by comc49
your basing you opinion off of ATI's lower midrange card....even the 4870 will be a midrange card its going to be the 4870x2 thats going to be a high end card.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuBBle.D
Im impressed anytime a new gen midrange card compares to a previous gen's performance card.
Yup, fxvideocards is relatively new on the gpu scene but very excellent deals in general from a reputable vendor. And they were cool enough to provide Jim with this 4850 review sample...
Why is the writing on the core upside down? lol...
TBH I think it looks pretty good, if this is really what the 4850 performs like then the 4870 and 4870X2's will definitely be better! :D
Attachment 80401
http://fxvideocards.com/VisionTek-Ra...0-p-16381.html
Do you feel lucky?:rolleyes:
some gts now are 159.00 after rebates.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
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Originally Posted by msgclb
that is just too tempting right now..
oh, and great review jimmy!
I said cheaper than the 8800GTS 512....they're £175 still. Reading = your friend ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
A good thread.... I supposed cat. overdrive is the only tools for OCing this card, at least for now?what about RBE, winflash, ATIflash? not work either? And does this card still has same shader clock as the core? thanx man
235 viewing Video Cards. NICE Jim ;) :up:
Thanks buddy :D. This thread has been great so far. I just wish there was some way to clock up the card higher. I know it has lots more to give but the ccc lockdown at 700 is stopping me cold. DMM shows a little less than 1.2v under 3D load so even with just 1.35 like the 3870's this little puppy would fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by WrigleyVillain
I am searching the far east for overclocking utilities, my mandarin is a little rusty.
If I don't find one soon I will post up the 700mhz oc scores I have.
:rofl: :clap: :up: :DQuote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
just start with the 700 MHz scores.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Now we just need some 9800GTX scores to compare these to.
Heya jimmy, get a chance to xfire 4850 with your 3870X2 this weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimmyz
Looks like 4870 will be very similar to 3870X2 performance?
cheers mate, nice thread :)
Google = your friend :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kai Robinson
9600gt £73
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/3/art...20565&agid=554
HD3870 DDR3 £82
^^^^^^^^^^
( 2 X them = HD4850 introductory price )
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/1176...2-mb-ddr3.html
HD3870 DDR4 £94
http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/6557...2-mb-ddr4.html
8800gts £123
http://www.abtron.de/shop/catalog/pr...ducts_id=16737
9800gtx £155
http://www.abtron.de/shop/catalog/pr...ducts_id=16966
HD3870X2 £208
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/3/art...1656&agid=1004
Shipping with those sites vary between £7 - £20
9600gt sli/ HD3870 crossfire vs HD4850 benches please?
Ordering out of the UK back into the UK got me stung for 20% Import Tax. For price comparisons do try to stick to UK stockists for a fair comparison :up:
What about ordering from USA to Europe? Is it safe? You can easily safe up to 20-30% :D
Why on EARTH would there be import tax on graphics card that came to UK from the Germany?Quote:
Originally Posted by spicypixel
Commom Market?
You're still taking a chance even if you get an American mate to buy it for you & send it as a gift. I've got stung several times :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
UK customs = :down:
Dude, I live in Bosnia. Trust me, it worst... Here they take whatever they like. For example, my DDR2 that i my friend shipped my is just gone missing. I don't know what to do...
4850 these are going to be a nice option. introductory price of 250 aud...which i reckon means <200 bucks for a cheapy brand at some point in the future.
not to mention 3870's pricing...mm tasty pickings.
9800gtx vs 4850...hows that look? is it close in performance?
3d06 score makes me think 4850 is just an 8800gt.:shrug:
...well, looking at yr crysis benches, the 4850 looks a bit better than my 8800gt with 4xAA@ high settings. ie 32 fps. ...and sub 20 fps with those settings on the gt i think @ 16x10. i remember that 16x12 @high in crysis XP was not playable for me with anything above 2xAA; more like 1280x1024 with 2xAA with gt for around 30fps.(21-35fps id say IIRC)
4850 vs 9800gtx vs 8800gt wood be interestink.
i hope the 4850 gets its arse tested off by the review sites.
USPS and Gift = good chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy007uk
If you get it shippied with USPS, you may have a better chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaMpiR
If you find a site with good deals, that ship to Europe via USPS and accept European credit cards, will you pm me?
Mark it as a 'review sample' and i've never had a problem...and yeah, USPS > UPS/FedEx/DHL
DHL = Drop it, Hide it, Lose it anyway :p
And yeah, tax rates in germany aren't the same as they are here (17.5% here as opposed to 19.6%) and the delivery cost would make up for any savings made on the purchase itself.
fxvideocards (the store that supplied the test card) has a Zotac 8800gts (G92) for $147 + S/H after $40MIRQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
in stock too! :D
After MIR my GTS was ~$220 shipped and included crysis, a game which I have yet to play :p:... Though the 4850 OC'd might very well best my GTS(802core/2003shader/2248mem -> game/stress/bench stable @ 75% fan speed), The performance increase will IMHO be negligible and require replacing the stock single slot cooler. So we're already talking ~$200 for the card + ~$30-$60 for a decent after market cooler.
The 4850 is best for the budget oriented performance gamer who has not already bought and enjoyed an 8800GT(S) or 3870. Though I hope the 4870 and 4870x2 offer much more in terms of real world FPS(DX9 included as all games I still play are Dx9). For 4870x2 I pray there's no bridge chip and the shared memory is indeed a reality.
Wow, It's funny how far you're willing to take this since most Nvidia users are busy trying to convince me that the 9800GX2 is a better buy than a GTX 280 because its much cheaper :)Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kbos
The 4850 is a nex gen card, and its performance will improve lots over the next few months as drivers mature :)
Perkam
Exactly how different is it from the existing RV670 line (3850/3870)? It seems to be using the same technology except in greater numbers -- more ALUs and TMUs. I doubt there will be massive performance improvements to be had.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Let's wait and see :)Quote:
Originally Posted by BRiT
Perkam
Same could be said about the GT200 :rolleyes: and there are definitely performance improvementsQuote:
Originally Posted by BRiT
In the review, I didn't see a 3DMark06 score, only 3DMark Vantage. I only ask since it is an easy way to compare to cards that have already been reviewed or to cards that someone already owns, but doesn't have Crysis. Did I miss it or will it not be tested using 3DMark06?
Thanks,
Utnorris
Edit: NVM, I must be getting old since I missed it the first couple of times looking through the charts.
So where would this card be placed in relation to an 8800GT, 8800GTS & 9800GTX
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2610/06ce1.jpg
Thats an impressive score. I can't wait to see what the 4870 and 4870X2 can do.
I think its as fast or faster than a 9800GTX according to those numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by godsfist
Interesting... cheapest 9800GTX in Australia is $330, the first HD4850 was just listed at $249 and should drop significantly more over the next monthQuote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
That's some serious bang for buck
What is impressive performance like 8800GT and 8-9% higher.It`s very impressive :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mechromancer
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4979799
and his CPU scored more than my E8400@4.32
http://images32.fotosik.pl/287/d4b50352edd554e3.jpg
lock at
SM 2.0 Score and SM 3.0 Score
G92 is 8 months in market since november 2007
Do you play Marks or GAMES? in games is real performance!!
you can't compare 3dmark scors across differnet platforms and come with any real conclusion
Anyways, new version of GPU-Z is out, can you get us a new shot jiimyz?
Granted, you cannot really compare one system that has a q6600 with another system that has a q9300, but you can still get some idea of whether or not the claims that have been made that these new generation chips are going to be twice as good as the current generation. Since this is the first legit review that I have seen so far, I am trying to get an idea of how valid the claims of being twice as good really are. That's all.
Thanks,
Utnorris
In this case, no you cannot. He's overclocked his GT along with is CPU which makes this comparison null and void.Quote:
Originally Posted by Utnorris
What is faster QX 9650 @4Ghz or E8400@4,32Ghz in 3dmark??Quote:
Originally Posted by zerazax
answer QX9650@4Ghz
any conclusion now
CPU SCORE
QX 9650 =5789
E8400= 4019
compare GPU score
So then the claim that the 4850 would be twice as good as the 3850 or the 4870 would be twice as good as the 3870 is not a valid claim, correct?
Utnorris