Foxconn BlackOPS (Retail version)

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05-14-2008, 04:12 AM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by massman

It's tuned for quadcore overclocking, not for wolfdale overclocking. The low FSB with wolfies is due to the chipset, not due to Foxconn quality.

:confused: Due to the chipset? X48 is a further step from X38, and I'm running up to 550 FSB with WOLFDALE on X38.........:rolleyes: - so where is the improvement in developing X48........:shrug:
05-14-2008, 04:18 AM
SF3D

We all like "it" tight :up:

Massman is right here. This motherboard is tuned for quad core and really tight mem and chipset latencies.

It is really easy to run this board at 266 strap and PL5 (6-6-5-14 / 7-6-5-14 / 7-6-6-15).

I will test Wolfdale (E8500) today. Yesterday I found time to throw it in and test it 10 minutes. 500fsb was just fine.
05-14-2008, 04:38 AM
massman

Quote:

Originally Posted by camouflage

:confused: Due to the chipset? X48 is a further step from X38, and I'm running up to 550 FSB with WOLFDALE on X38.........:rolleyes: - so where is the improvement in developing X48........:shrug:

P965 is even older than your X35, my dfi P35 uses an older chipset ... where is the improvement?

That's right! Not every new technology beats the older tech on every level!
05-14-2008, 05:48 AM
DMH

Quote:

Originally Posted by camouflage

:confused: Due to the chipset? X48 is a further step from X38, and I'm running up to 550 FSB with WOLFDALE on X38.........:rolleyes: - so where is the improvement in developing X48........:shrug:

Not every X38 go that high in FSB;)
05-14-2008, 05:56 AM
NBF

Blackops is a board with optimal performance per clock, maybe not the best clocking for the fsb hungry Wolfdales, for that task I think the Foxconn Dreadnought will be a better choice.

[ ]s
05-14-2008, 07:01 AM
SF3D

Aegis Panel

Here is the overclocking and HW monitoring tool for BlackOPS.

It's called Aegis Panel

It is working in real time, so no need to restart or anything stupid, like in some similar programs.

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00662/2086358.jpg
05-14-2008, 07:09 AM
dexaroni

Question, I am confused as to what Remcokatz said about this board not being very good with graphics cards.

I have never heard of this before, but is there some issue with this board as far as gaming goes? While I am an enthusiast overclocker, this board will work just fine for gaming, am I right in that assumption?
05-14-2008, 07:42 AM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF3D

We all like "it" tight :up:

Massman is right here. This motherboard is tuned for quad core and really tight mem and chipset latencies.

It is really easy to run this board at 266 strap and PL5 (6-6-5-14 / 7-6-5-14 / 7-6-6-15).

I will test Wolfdale (E8500) today. Yesterday I found time to throw it in and test it 10 minutes. 500fsb was just fine.

:D So You keep my hopes alive mate...............;)
05-14-2008, 07:54 AM
Planet

Quote:

Originally Posted by dexaroni

Question, I am confused as to what Remcokatz said about this board not being very good with graphics cards.

I have never heard of this before, but is there some issue with this board as far as gaming goes? While I am an enthusiast overclocker, this board will work just fine for gaming, am I right in that assumption?

I have had no issues with it with 2 cards in Crossfire. I tried 3 cards in CrossfireX but one of my cards was bad (not fault to board).

As for the guys :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:ing back and forth take it to PMs and emails. This is ridiculous. Not needed here learn some manners.
05-14-2008, 11:36 AM
SF3D

Those vga issues were present in early bios versions. Now they have fixed those issues.

Here is one screenshot. This retail board is better with memory than my previous ES.

Now I can use 6-5-5-14 1T timings up to 900MHz. This is not 32M stable but 3D is ok ;) Strap is 333. Next i do some 266 and PL5 tests.

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00537/2088248.jpg
05-14-2008, 11:46 AM
Oliver

Sweet update sf3d... looks quite good indeed.

Really want to play with it :)...
05-15-2008, 01:30 PM
SF3D

Here is basic watercooled 3DMark06 CPU test. This is what everybody can do with quad core cpu.

http://www.aijaa.com/img/b/00191/2094411.jpg

Efficiency is quite good.

More Xtreme results tomorrow hopefully.
05-17-2008, 06:00 AM
massman

Hey, this is thé board if you want to kill your memory apparently. Foxconn didn't want to give the user the option for 4,5v on the memory though.

Sham, if you're reading this: what's up with the other memory dividers that are hidden in the bios? Are they not working stable enough?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...lipboard01.jpg
05-17-2008, 11:40 AM
dean0

when will this m/b be availible to buy? on the foxconn website they have offcial released it about a month ago, where is it? anyone know a date?
05-17-2008, 11:44 AM
Logos

Quote:

Originally Posted by dean0

when will this m/b be availible to buy? on the foxconn website they have offcial released it about a month ago, where is it? anyone know a date?

Asus P5E64 WS Evo was also listed on Asus website more than a month ago, even listed at retailers, and it became really available a few days ago.
05-17-2008, 12:31 PM
dean0

okay sorted, its on ocuk website and you can pre order for 26/05/08 (the week i get paid :D) for £293 http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...atid=5&subcat=
05-17-2008, 01:23 PM
ShaTTeR

Now This Makes me Jump on my Sofa :P

No seriously The Excitement Just Increased =]
05-17-2008, 10:36 PM
hipro5

Bios G20 is a MUST.....I haven't seen my CellShock Rams doing 2000MHz with Cas 7-6-5-15-1T since......I got them..... ;)
They have been damaged a bit since then and on any mobo they did with the above timmings ~ 1950MHz.....Now I BOOT at 500MHz FSB with a "crappy" E8400 and Rams at 2000MHz and get into windows..... :p:

ALSO with bios G20 I gained ~ 15 - 20MHz MORE on a QUAD (445MHz fsb from 427MHz before) with rams working at 1:4 266 AND Cas 7-5-5-5-13-6-43-5-13-14-2-8-2-2-1T..... Bandwidth is EXELANT..... :D
05-18-2008, 01:55 AM
melanko

I've never head the sound quality that comes out of those bundled PCI-E x1 Sounds cards. They any good, compared to a X-Fi Fatal1ty perhaps?

Very nice results on 3DMark also.
05-18-2008, 02:12 AM
Solarfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Bios G20 is a MUST.....I haven't seen my CellShock Rams doing 2000MHz with Cas 7-6-5-15-1T since......I got them..... ;)
They have been damaged a bit since then and on any mobo they did with the above timmings ~ 1950MHz.....Now I BOOT at 500MHz FSB with a "crappy" E8400 and Rams at 2000MHz and get into windows..... :p:

ALSO with bios G20 I gained ~ 15 - 20MHz MORE on a QUAD (445MHz fsb from 427MHz before) with rams working at 1:4 266 AND Cas 7-5-5-5-13-6-43-5-13-14-2-8-2-2-1T..... Bandwidth is EXELANT..... :D

hey hipro how much voltage did you have use to get that 2000mhz out of those cellshock sticks ???
05-18-2008, 02:30 AM
rgkpt

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solarfall

hey hipro how much voltage did you have use to get that 2000mhz out of those cellshock sticks ???

yes hipro 2000mhz how much voltage?
05-18-2008, 03:20 AM
hipro5

After they got damaged with 2.43Vdimm, I have NEVER feed them again over 2.32Vdimm.....They used to do 7-6-5-15-1T and tight subtimings up to 2070MHz when they were young…. :(
My day/bench usage is 2.28Vdimm and in rare occasions I feed them 2.32Volts MAX....
05-18-2008, 03:26 AM
Logos

off topic: would you mind guys telling me why many of you seem to favor CellShock ram? Anything special? That's a serious question, I'm interested, and never heard of Cellshock before I registered to this forum. thanks.
05-18-2008, 03:29 AM
Solarfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Logos4

off topic: would you mind guys telling me why many of you seem to favor CellShock ram? Anything special? That's a serious question, I'm interested, and never heard of Cellshock before I registered to this forum. thanks.

they overclock REALLY nicely...thats pretty much the main reason i guess :D
05-18-2008, 03:40 AM
Logos

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solarfall

they overclock REALLY nicely...thats pretty much the main reason i guess :D

OK thanks
05-18-2008, 10:51 AM
SF3D

Quote:

Originally Posted by massman

Hey, this is thé board if you want to kill your memory apparently. Foxconn didn't want to give the user the option for 4,5v on the memory though.

Sham, if you're reading this: what's up with the other memory dividers that are hidden in the bios? Are they not working stable enough?

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...lipboard01.jpg

All memory dividers that you need, are available in bios. Why would you use anything lower than 1:2 :D

I don't understand that memory killing part... but hey, it's me ;)
05-18-2008, 10:59 AM
SF3D

2 Attachment(s)

Almost 30K single..

I tried some LN2 clocking on friday (10h only). That wasn't my day at all, cause I couldn't get good contact between pot and cpu :shrug: I was too tired maybe.

CPU did only 5.64GHz and I have try again as soon as possible.

Motherboard worked really well, but I couldn't get PL5 and strap 266 working like I wanted, so I tested with strap 333 and PL6.

Here is the 06:
Attachment 78880

Here is 03:
Attachment 78881

I hope you like it :up:
05-18-2008, 11:16 AM
Planet

Quote:

Originally Posted by SF3D

All memory dividers that you need, are available in bios. Why would you use anything lower than 1:2 :D

I don't understand that memory killing part... but hey, it's me ;)

He just meant that 4.5V is available to the memory allthough its locked it could be unlocked to kill your ddr3 instantly lol.
05-18-2008, 12:08 PM
NapalmV5

whats taking so long @ available?
05-18-2008, 12:09 PM
systemviper

Quote:

Originally Posted by NapalmV5

whats taking so long @ available?

+2,999 :down:

I want my Blackops in USA :up:
05-18-2008, 01:18 PM
NapalmV5

oh come on!!

+5000
05-18-2008, 03:18 PM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Bios G20 is a MUST.....I haven't seen my CellShock Rams doing 2000MHz with Cas 7-6-5-15-1T since......I got them..... ;)
They have been damaged a bit since then and on any mobo they did with the above timmings ~ 1950MHz.....Now I BOOT at 500MHz FSB with a "crappy" E8400 and Rams at 2000MHz and get into windows..... :p:

ALSO with bios G20 I gained ~ 15 - 20MHz MORE on a QUAD (445MHz fsb from 427MHz before) with rams working at 1:4 266 AND Cas 7-5-5-5-13-6-43-5-13-14-2-8-2-2-1T..... Bandwidth is EXELANT..... :D

:p: That's really nice........., DDR3-4000........:rofl::up:
05-18-2008, 08:46 PM
T_M

Nice efficiency in 06 cpu test sf3d
05-18-2008, 10:06 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by camouflage

:p: That's really nice........., DDR3-4000........:rofl::up:

Heh, heh, heh......I'm talking about 2000MHz DDR thus 1000MHz real..... :D
05-18-2008, 10:45 PM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Heh, heh, heh......I'm talking about 2000MHz DDR thus 1000MHz real..... :D

:D I know George - I know....., but be honest - You're dreaming of it...:yepp:
05-19-2008, 12:04 AM
T_M

I just started playing with BlackOps today, but cannot get CPU-Z to correctly detect the multiplier on QX9770.
Is there a known bug or a simple fix?
It always shows max multi of 8x in CPU-Z, even when set to 9x or higher in BIOS.
05-19-2008, 01:18 AM
Nosfer@tu

What bios do you have ?
05-19-2008, 01:22 AM
LardArse

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

I just started playing with BlackOps today, but cannot get CPU-Z to correctly detect the multiplier on QX9770.
Is there a known bug or a simple fix?
It always shows max multi of 8x in CPU-Z, even when set to 9x or higher in BIOS.

leave cpu feauyture at native and not disable or smm mode, the help screen beside says this, though u can disable the rest.
05-19-2008, 01:53 AM
M.Beier

Quote:

Originally Posted by camouflage

:p: That's really nice........., DDR3-4000........:rofl::up:

:yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp:

George, listen to this guy! I like him, I like him ALOT !!! =)

Please dont write the DDR-rate as the frequency :up:

SF3D:
Memory killing part, its harder then tweaking!!! Memory can easily die if you vacume them or such :p.
But from torture in PC, its VERY hard to kill them!
05-19-2008, 02:52 AM
camouflage

Quote:

Originally Posted by M.Beier

:yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp::yepp:

George, listen to this guy! I like him, I like him ALOT !!! =)

Please dont write the DDR-rate as the frequency :up:

SF3D:
Memory killing part, its harder then tweaking!!! Memory can easily die if you vacume them or such :p.
But from torture in PC, its VERY hard to kill them!

:D Haha - M.Beier, thx for the flowers:clap:. Just imagine this is George's wishful thinking....:rofl:
05-19-2008, 03:28 AM
hipro5

You filthy guys....... :D
Just let the "young man" dreaming...... :D :p:
05-19-2008, 03:32 AM
SF3D

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

I just started playing with BlackOps today, but cannot get CPU-Z to correctly detect the multiplier on QX9770.
Is there a known bug or a simple fix?
It always shows max multi of 8x in CPU-Z, even when set to 9x or higher in BIOS.

Like Peter suggested, use native mode and "frequency unlimited" setting enabled.

Are you using Vista or XP?
05-19-2008, 08:04 AM
T_M

Using G20 and have set both native mode and frequency unlimited on XP.
Still getting CPU-Z problems.
05-19-2008, 08:15 AM
BenchZowner

Tim I had problems with CPUz this Saturday as well ( on the Striker II Extreme though ).
It couldn't detect the CPU Multiplier properly ( using the latest CPU-z version, 1.45 that is )
05-19-2008, 08:37 AM
T_M

It seems to be EIST related.
When i have the system set to 9x multi and the following CPU settings, i get low power mode with low vcore and low multi. Once i load the CPU it shoots up to 9x and the voltage increases.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/T_M/Native.jpg

When i dissable the CPU EIST, i get 8x multi and the CPU-Z vcore still reads low, but real DMM is correct.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3.../Dissabled.jpg
05-19-2008, 08:45 AM
SF3D

Weird.
Try downloading CrystalCPUID and then use enhanced intel speedstep option in that program. Select multi 10x in bios and when you are in windows, select it (10x) from CCPUID and see what happens. If nothing, I'm out of answers :shrug:
05-19-2008, 08:58 AM
T_M

OK, with EIST = Native, setting to 9x in CrystalCPUID causes instant system hang (too low volts i suspect due to power saving)
With EIST = Dissabled, setting to 9x gives perfect results and CPU-Z now reflects the same.

Peter, this is the same problem as with that Dreadnought BIOS we were using i suspect :s
05-19-2008, 09:40 AM
Oliver

Sweet speed on u ddr3 George, good to see the board flying with high ddr3 speed...
05-19-2008, 11:10 AM
gcardinal

Does this board clocks better then Asus Striker II 790i Ultra? As its even more expensive then Asus SIIE in Norway
05-20-2008, 12:15 AM
quake6

Has anyone tried dice/ln2 on NB?
05-23-2008, 03:27 AM
joe_cool

Ok guys, how do you think about this ?:D
Not that bad for single 9800GX2 @ ln2 and cpu @ cascade, huh ?:p:

3DMark03 - 95592 @ 972/1100 Comparelink

http://www.abload.de/img/3d03-95592_joe_cool_3le.jpg

_
05-23-2008, 03:46 AM
CyberDruid

wowzers

Thanks o much for the details and review and benchies...this might surplant my ST...
05-23-2008, 02:38 PM
azza21

It will be interesting to see how this board compares to the upcoming board from the highly regarding DFI, when it comes to overclocking. I will be waiting eagerly for more reviews on this and the dfi x48-t3r.
05-23-2008, 08:36 PM
bobov

BlackOps in stock @ newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186144
05-23-2008, 08:47 PM
TedShred

$360?! lower than I was expecting, 4 sure.
05-23-2008, 08:53 PM
FuriousSalesman

It's about $370 with cheapest shipping. Zip Zoom Fly has had a not in stock listing at $399 for what seems like weeks now.

I am mulling over whether I should pitch my 790i to the fishes and get this instead. The new DDR3 DFI looks good, the P5E3 WS Evolution looks good, what am I supposed to do?
05-23-2008, 08:54 PM
Crazystang01

Thanks just put in my order.:D
05-23-2008, 11:35 PM
T_M

Im really stuggling trying to run a dual core at any decent FSB :(
No matter what ive tried, i cant get past about 490fsb to even load windows!
05-24-2008, 12:29 AM
Solarfall

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

Im really stuggling trying to run a dual core at any decent FSB :(
No matter what ive tried, i cant get past about 490fsb to even load windows!

this board isnt easy.. im having the same sort of problems with my blackOps board its really picky on the voltage settings .. :D:D:D
05-24-2008, 06:35 AM
systemviper

just ordered mine, :woot: I am very excited

now i am waiting for the 790i Blackops :lol:
05-24-2008, 06:46 AM
Ming@s

Great Board.

:shocked:
05-24-2008, 08:50 AM
Buckeye

Ordered :)
05-24-2008, 06:32 PM
Planet

Quote:

Originally Posted by systemviper

just ordered mine, :woot: I am very excited

now i am waiting for the 790i Blackops :lol:

The 790i is named Dreadnought
05-24-2008, 06:42 PM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

Im really stuggling trying to run a dual core at any decent FSB :(
No matter what ive tried, i cant get past about 490fsb to even load windows!

does the board have GTL ref volt options ? probably need to play with them
05-24-2008, 07:11 PM
Planet

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

Im really stuggling trying to run a dual core at any decent FSB :(
No matter what ive tried, i cant get past about 490fsb to even load windows!

As eva said try adjusting the GTL options to +2 same for the NB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

does the board have GTL ref volt options ? probably need to play with them
05-25-2008, 06:06 AM
zfactor

im so tempted by the blackops...
05-25-2008, 10:33 AM
Solarfall

hey guys what is the best bios for dual core cpus... im fitting the fsb wall at 565fsb with my blackops.. this chip can do atleast 593fsb with my dfi p35 ut t2r board ?
05-25-2008, 10:36 AM
systemviper

Any idea on the release of the 790i Dreadnought :woot:
05-26-2008, 01:02 PM
nettwerk2006

This motherboard looks sweet, i've been looking for a new one to buy and I think this will probably be the one.

does it support DDR3 1600 in all 4 slots?
05-26-2008, 09:36 PM
zerazax

Between this and Dreadnought, there should be a good selection to choose from this summer
05-27-2008, 12:02 AM
nachthymnen

Maybe this week I'll receive mine finally:)
Can't wait to try it:D
05-27-2008, 02:14 AM
clone38

Ive got a question about the soundcard that comes with this motherboard,is it on par with the Auzentech X-Fi Prelude 7.1 Sound Card ?
If it is then i can sell my card on as i use my pc for gaming most of the time i need a good soundcard.
05-27-2008, 06:44 AM
LardArse

If want to try tight timings download this beta bios
Awdflash xxx.bin /wb

CL6-6-6-15-1t-perl5
05-27-2008, 04:43 PM
Lu(ky

Any links for the RETAIL BIOS like G20 etc.. I can not seem to find it on Foxconn site? Need the best BIOS working so far with the QX9650

Thanks....
05-27-2008, 11:01 PM
eternal_fantasy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lu(ky

Any links for the RETAIL BIOS like G20 etc.. I can not seem to find it on Foxconn site? Need the best BIOS working so far with the QX9650

Thanks....

Register at the QuantumForce.net and you'll have access to the latest BETA BIOS. The latest one is G21, which seems to be pretty much similer to the official P02.. :rolleyes:
05-27-2008, 11:08 PM
eternal_fantasy

Quote:

Originally Posted by LardArse

If want to try tight timings download this beta bios
Awdflash xxx.bin /wb

CL6-6-6-15-1t-perl5

Tight timings at what frequency and voltage? The G17 BIOS fails to boot with CellShock 1800/1866 with anything above 800Mhz no matter the timings...
05-28-2008, 01:40 AM
T_M

Using G20 and finding i cant get CL6 to work at all, even though the same RAM loves CL6 on Giga board.
WIll give G17 a shot to see if it helps, thanks Pete
05-28-2008, 03:12 PM
Lu(ky

1. Can someone LINK me a BIOS update for the RETAIL version board!! I cannot find it on there site or online as well. Looking for the newest one out? I think it may be the G20? Just got my board wanting to go to the newest BIOS...

2. Did anyone take off North & South bridge to reapply thermal compound in replace of the stock compound?

Thanks
05-28-2008, 08:22 PM
Planet

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

Using G20 and finding i cant get CL6 to work at all, even though the same RAM loves CL6 on Giga board.
WIll give G17 a shot to see if it helps, thanks Pete

G17 should work fine. CL7 is really where the board shines though.
05-28-2008, 09:41 PM
T_M

I would much prefer to be running CL6 at 440 x 13 than CL7
05-28-2008, 10:16 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_M

I would much prefer to be running CL6 at 440 x 13 than CL7

NO differences between CL6 and CL7..... ;)
17.BIN Beta is the fastest bios out there combined with JNL or GTR Ram chips PLUS it "boots easy"..... ;)

TIP: Bench with CL6 and some other mobo and see (prefaired winRar bench) in WinXP with 4 x cores......Then bench with BlackOps with CL7 and tight subtimings with LOWER FSB and see again.....
Also try the same with 2k1 benchie..... :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lu(ky

Any links for the RETAIL BIOS like G20 etc.. I can not seem to find it on Foxconn site? Need the best BIOS working so far with the QX9650

Thanks....

The best and easiest so far is the G21 bios....A bit more FSB with the QUADS and a bit slower than 17 beta.... ;)
05-28-2008, 11:05 PM
Lu(ky

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

The best and easiest so far is the G21 bios....A bit more FSB with the QUADS and a bit slower than 17 beta.... ;)

I went to the Foxconn site for the BLACKOPS BIOS section and it says 7A3F1P02 05-12-08 and under descriptions it says Modify ARC code? And again I have the RETAIL version board. So is the BETA BIOS G21 the same? Confused sorry..
05-28-2008, 11:12 PM
T_M

Not the same. G21 bios will have 7A3F1G21 or something similar
05-28-2008, 11:25 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lu(ky

I went to the Foxconn site for the BLACKOPS BIOS section and it says 7A3F1P02 05-12-08 and under descriptions it says Modify ARC code? And again I have the RETAIL version board. So is the BETA BIOS G21 the same? Confused sorry..

Propably "Pxx" is the final code of a bios and "Gxx" is the BETA code of a bios....... Maybe - I think - .... :)
05-29-2008, 05:58 AM
Harshal

^^ yupp Sir you got that one right :)
Have seen same thing with MARS and now its BlackOps time for me too :D
05-29-2008, 06:21 AM
clone38

Ordered one myself just got to sort out some ram for it,any ideas for a 2x1gb set?
05-29-2008, 06:25 AM
GAR

IS it possible to get 500fsb stable with a q9450 on this board, im thinking of switching out my 790i for this......is it worth it???? i dont need sli so i wanna get back on the intel side.
05-29-2008, 06:32 AM
BenchZowner

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAR

IS it possible to get 500fsb stable with a q9450 on this board, im thinking of switching out my 790i for this......is it worth it???? i dont need sli so i wanna get back on the intel side.

500MHz FSB with a Q9450 ?
I don't think so. Not in most cases I'd say ( at least with the currently available BIOSes, etc ).

You'd have a better chance at it with a P45 board.
05-29-2008, 10:15 AM
Smirnoff9988

Anyone from Foxconn want to comment on why the retail boards have aluminum tops on the Quantum Cooler ?

Anyone with any watercooling knowledge knows that mixing aluminum with copper is a bad idea.
05-29-2008, 10:24 AM
Lu(ky

Can some one link me a BETA G20 or G21 BIOS please.... :)
05-29-2008, 09:02 PM
LardArse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lu(ky

Can some one link me a BETA G20 or G21 BIOS please.... :)

you can download them at the Quantum Force website
05-30-2008, 02:16 AM
clone38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smirnoff9988

Anyone from Foxconn want to comment on why the retail boards have aluminum tops on the Quantum Cooler ?

Anyone with any watercooling knowledge knows that mixing aluminum with copper is a bad idea.

Was going to ask this myself as ive canceled my order till i find out.:yepp:
05-30-2008, 04:15 AM
eternal_fantasy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smirnoff9988

Anyone from Foxconn want to comment on why the retail boards have aluminum tops on the Quantum Cooler ?

Anyone with any watercooling knowledge knows that mixing aluminum with copper is a bad idea.

Hmm all the hype leading up to the Blackops' release, and now the board is in the retail channel and there is a problem "QuantumForce Scholars" abandons ship? :shakes:
05-30-2008, 04:47 AM
SF3D

Quote:

Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy

Hmm all the hype leading up to the Blackops' release, and now the board is in the retail channel and there is a problem "QuantumForce Scholars" abandons ship? :shakes:

What are you talking about :confused:

I have no idea, where you got that impression :shrug:
05-30-2008, 05:11 AM
LardArse

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Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy

Hmm all the hype leading up to the Blackops' release, and now the board is in the retail channel and there is a problem "QuantumForce Scholars" abandons ship? :shakes:

Quantum Force Scholars help out a tonne with testing but they are not reps so don't hold them up on something they are not responsible for.
05-30-2008, 05:22 AM
eternal_fantasy

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Originally Posted by SF3D

What are you talking about :confused:

I have no idea, where you got that impression :shrug:

Here is where I got that impression:

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Originally Posted by gmcg

I have received my brand new Foxconn BlackOps mobo from Newegg today to replace 790i Ultra SLI such as I am tired to alpha-test it's stability. My first impression was - wow, everything I could dream about is on it.

Then I have decided to replace the barbs such as I use 1/2. It was a surprise - chrome plated barbs were made with aluminum, and the black painted cover was also made using aluminum - there are some open spaces (non-painted) contacting with the water! Every water-cooling nOOb (including me) knows that it is better to avoid using different metals in the cooling circuit such as possibility of corrosion in this case due to free active ions of metal raises enormously ... There are 3 types of metal now in that circuit - chrome, copper and aluminum. How come that the advertised copper cover (it is easy to replace barbs with brass ones, therefore I don't care about them) http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/518 is replaced with aluminum one?

Crap, now I need to spend a lot of time making that stupid copper cover instead of paying for it additional $2-3 ... if Foxconn wanted to save on it.
I don't understand such things. Can anyone explain to me what is going on?
"Figure 3: Cover that will come with the motherboard (Foxconn is still deciding on which material to use, acrylic or copper)." And decided to use aluminum?

It is a different product than presented on Foxconn's website:
http://www.foxconnchannel.com/produc...D=en-us0000385

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Originally Posted by gmcg

BTW the aluminum issue is more serious than I thought - Foxconn can have a legal process against it for misrepresentation, on the box it is purely stated, that:
"4in1 Quantum Cooler. The unique all-copper modular designed 4 in 1 Quantum Cooler enables effective cooling of the NB, SB and VRM areas. Swap out the NB parts to configure it for air, water or more exciting forms of cooling!"

It means all-copper statement legally is relative not only to the block and it's cover (which is actually shown on the box's picture as a copper one), but to LN2 unit as well. Foxconn should hire a good lawyer to review their statements, especially here in the USA, or they will loose like Dell lost just recently ...

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Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy

AMEN!!

I was going to make a post with pictures asking wtf was going on, but thought I shouldn't get over emotionally evolved...:down:

Having the BlackOps NB aircooled with the supplied tiny fan just don't cut it. its crazy loud, and grossly inefficient to say the least, with temps in excess of 47C IDLE. That leaves just the water cooling for us non-LN2 users, then this :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens...:rolleyes:

WHY BLOODY ALUMINIUM???

Any comments Quantum Force "Scholars"?

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Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy

I don't think you understand why we are complaining about the use of aluminum on the NB. It is not that it reduceses the cooling ability of the heat sink, evident in that delrin or acrylic will be better substitute. It is the fact that mixing metals in watercooling loops causes galvanic corrosion, and that all previous marketing material of the BlackOps cooling system pointed to the fact(indirectly) that no aluminum is present in the NB waterblock chamber.
Have a read through the liquid cooling forum and you'll gain some watercooling facts. :)

Intel X38/X48 above 45-47 degree becomes very unstable(from my experience). Under water now with temps around 28 degree, so im fine for now, just need to watch the block from corrosion from the Aluminum...

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Originally Posted by gmcg

As we can see, it has 6400 RPM with 12V and max CFM 18.3 (0.518 m3/min) having 37dB of noise at that speed - according to specification. Such as being installed it is located really close to the cooler, the pressure goes up, as well as CFM goes down according to the graph on specification and noise of flowing air with turbulence becomes like twice louder than 37dB in specification.

Please understand me correctly, I don't want to blame the board (having 790i before, LOL), but the air-cooling version of 4in1 Quantum definitely needs a modification for silent and more efficient operations, as well as to be "all-copper" for WC (or at least delrin-copper, acrylic-copper).

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Originally Posted by Ego

When the problem comes.,.,,.,.,. = no support

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Originally Posted by gmcg

Hehe, we can solve our problems, can't we? Who cares about support? :D

How sad...? :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Smirnoff9988

Anyone from Foxconn want to comment on why the retail boards have aluminum tops on the Quantum Cooler ?

Anyone with any watercooling knowledge knows that mixing aluminum with copper is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by clone38

Was going to ask this myself as ive canceled my order till i find out.:yepp:

Still clueless?:rolleyes:
05-30-2008, 05:24 AM
eternal_fantasy

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Originally Posted by LardArse

Quantum Force Scholars help out a tonne with testing but they are not reps so don't hold them up on something they are not responsible for.

Sorry my fault. You guys just do the promotion, not the support.

I brought the Blackops because members of the Quantum Force team that had the board for testing posted great reviews and acheved nice overclocks with it, and I had a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty time with the Asus Striker II Extreme.
I thought that the Foxconn X48 seems to be getting great feedbacks and that there are many Quantum Force members here in xtremesystems forum, and we can fall back on them for support, since they have great contact with Foxconn, unlike ASUS, where we are pretty much on our own.

Now with the board in hand, and we found we are not getting what was advertised and paid very much for. The Quantum Force members are nowhere to be seen, and if they do appear, they avoid what they don't want to answer.
Why should I now buy Foxconn over ASUS now that the biggest reason I switched was not the reality? Asus seem to have a much greater customer base, and users help each other out.
Is this what we should look forward to with up coming Foxconn-QuantomForce products?
05-30-2008, 06:30 AM
arisythila

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Originally Posted by Smirnoff9988

Anyone from Foxconn want to comment on why the retail boards have aluminum tops on the Quantum Cooler ?

Anyone with any watercooling knowledge knows that mixing aluminum with copper is a bad idea.

It is a bad idea, IF you use Straight distilled water. Otherwise its not a bad idea at all, if you maintain your system. (Yes like the manufacture says to do it)
05-30-2008, 06:52 AM
LardArse

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Originally Posted by eternal_fantasy

Now with the board in hand, and we found we are not getting what was advertised and paid very much for. The Quantum Force members are nowhere to be seen, and if they do appear, they avoid what they don't want to answer.

They dont have all the answers, if not they would answer
05-30-2008, 07:03 AM
LardArse

Can try setting GTL Ref 1 lower than the rest as intel specs it to be higher but it seems to like being equal to the rest
For example +10,+5,+10,+10, or default,-5,default,default, Elmor found this to be better as did I.

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