Danamics - a revolutionary cooling system?!

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Originally Posted by Caveman787

It looks like it's got 5 8mm heatpipes, if that's so and it's got good liquid flowing well around the heatsink, it may work well.

Problem I see with it is how will it be cooled, even water needs a fan and it doesn't look like a fan would would hit but 1 heatpipe.

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Err... The fins cool the pipes. ;)

This thing uses an EM pump, right?

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Originally Posted by cegras

This thing uses an EM pump, right?

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yea which means it should be capable of high flow rates

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Originally Posted by Toysoldier

How does water cooling work then ?

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heat conducted at contact area, transported to radiator, heat released.

water itself isn't much of a heat conductor so it requires pumping n stuff.

same goes for air. needs a lot of flow to be effective.

This is right around the corner,
http://eprim.org/category/cooling/

can't this be done with some kinda Oil ? (expamle canola oil) be much cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Serra

Well that website's pretty much completely useless to go to, isn't it? The only thing the thing says is that they're a "a leading manufacturer of liquid metal based cooling solutions... since 2005". Yet if you do a Google search on them and the words "liquid metal", you get nada. Even a search just on their name quickly spirals into irrelevancy (mostly people who can't spell "dynamics").

As other posters have said, it has long been known that liquid metal is both possible to use and indeed has been used in a variety of VGA coolers... but the issues of cost and quality are large. So in regards to this, I'll remain skeptical.


There was a member of these forums who a set of CPU coolers pulled from some military computers who might be able to add some fun info. iirc, it was basically a water loop, but used a liquid gallium/tin alloy. Here's the link, for anyone whose interested that may not have been around at the time:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=99240

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Talk about being ahead of there time, check out these links to the company that made that gallium liquid xeon loop on our tax dollars.
http://www.techpowerup.com/?3105
http://www.its.org/node/5319

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

can't this be done with some kinda Oil ? (expamle canola oil) be much cheaper.

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EM pump

Haha, Tardbus is already doing Liquid Gallium cooling here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=99240

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Originally Posted by biohead

EM pump

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this isn't really a pump though. :/

"An electromagnetic pump has several advantages over typical mechanical pump designs. It contains no moving parts, shafts, seals, etc., emits no noise or vibration, has unlimited MTBF and suffers no performance degrading over time"

it's moving by heat.

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

this isn't really a pump though. :/

"An electromagnetic pump has several advantages over typical mechanical pump designs. It contains no moving parts, shafts, seals, etc., emits no noise or vibration, has unlimited MTBF and suffers no performance degrading over time"

it's moving by heat.

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No, that would be convection.
Neither does this use a traditional electromagnetic pump. Or at least, if it does it's lying about the 'moving parts' thing. a traditional electromagnetic pump manipulates a piston using a solenoid type em field. a typical em pump has a cycle of 50hz, which is why i say flow rates here could be incredible.
but for this application an actual EM pump in the traditional sense would be useles. An EM pump could be used in any fluid application, but the danamics lm10 happens to be moving liquid metal.


-SOLENOID-

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

this isn't really a pump though. :/

"An electromagnetic pump has several advantages over typical mechanical pump designs. It contains no moving parts, shafts, seals, etc., emits no noise or vibration, has unlimited MTBF and suffers no performance degrading over time"

it's moving by heat.

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that would be convection, a little bit like traditional heatpipes. i don't know how an EM pump works but i made a rough guess that a metal fluid was needed for it to work because it's easily polarised.. could be wrong.

Soviet Russia used liquid metals to transfer heat from their submarine nuclear reactors. It did not go so well. Hopefully these guys have learned from their mistakes.

PS: This comment was meant to be funny. If you do not have a background in Cold War Soviet Nuclear Reactor design then this joke has probably been lost on you. Use Google and learn.

http://tesladownunder.com/Magnetohydrodynamics.htm
(http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=477959)

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Originally Posted by Mechromancer

Soviet Russia used liquid metals to transfer heat from their submarine nuclear reactors. It did not go so well.

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This is actually pretty interesting. Do you have an article handy?

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Originally Posted by iddqd

This is actually pretty interesting. Do you have an article handy?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_class_submarine

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Originally Posted by Slovnaft

No, that would be convection.
Neither does this use a traditional electromagnetic pump. Or at least, if it does it's lying about the 'moving parts' thing. a traditional electromagnetic pump manipulates a piston using a solenoid type em field. a typical em pump has a cycle of 50hz, which is why i say flow rates here could be incredible.
but for this application an actual EM pump in the traditional sense would be useles. An EM pump could be used in any fluid application, but the danamics lm10 happens to be moving liquid metal.


-SOLENOID-

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Eh? Last I heard, I thought the type of pump used was where they passed a current through the liquid metal using a U shaped dongle and that generated a lorentz force.

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Originally Posted by Slovnaft

No, that would be convection.
Neither does this use a traditional electromagnetic pump. Or at least, if it does it's lying about the 'moving parts' thing. a traditional electromagnetic pump manipulates a piston using a solenoid type em field. a typical em pump has a cycle of 50hz, which is why i say flow rates here could be incredible.
but for this application an actual EM pump in the traditional sense would be useles. An EM pump could be used in any fluid application, but the danamics lm10 happens to be moving liquid metal.


-SOLENOID-

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Well, if you had a ferromagnetic coolant, you could pump it by alternating the field on a couple electromagnets. Much like a Japanese bullet train can be moved by rapidly alternating, albeit static, electromagnets.

Also,

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia

1960s technology

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This explains everything about the failed Soviet liquid metal cooled-reactor scheme.

set price of unit is 280 euro...rip off

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Originally Posted by Monkeywoman

set price of unit is 280 euro...rip off

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I paid about the same for my current watercooling setup, but a single cooler with the same or better perfromance is worth it imo.

$399 usd.

Well, it is technically a double pass radiator. Now we have to see if it is capable of dissipating as much heat as a 120.3 or something..

ROFL ROFL ROFL
at the RRP :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by cegras

Well, it is technically a double pass radiator. Now we have to see if it is capable of dissipating as much heat as a 120.3 or something..

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lol of course its not, unless you compare 120.3 with ultra quiet fans Vs this sucker with couple of deltas :D

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Originally Posted by Toysoldier

I paid about the same for my current watercooling setup, but a single cooler with the same or better perfromance is worth it imo.

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That's the thing - I'm pretty sure it's been incontrovertibly shown that it could not be better, or really even somewhat similar.


What it boils down to: There is only one fan removing heat and has a limited amount of surface area. We've gone into more detail on the ability of the pump elsewhere, but the previous sentence is going to be a huge reason why this couldn't be better than water cooling.

WOW at that price.

omg SO unconfirmed.
keep your panties on.

It seems like every year or so a company announces this but i have never even seen a working sample.

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Originally Posted by Monkeywoman

from what i found, the "liquid" is Galinstan which is an alloy of gallium, indium, and tin.

source; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galinstan

so the conductivity is 16.5 Wmk for Galinstan and Water is 0.691

source; http://hypertextbook.com/physics/thermal/conduction/

soo this cooler should kick ass.

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No offense, but that is not true.

I can't confirm nor deny the price, but it's not way off so to speak.

//Andreas

Guess that the "this cooler should kick ass." "is not true". :)

Honestly, with such a small surface area they need to do miracles to meet their claims about the performance. It's all lies, I say.

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Guess that the "this cooler should kick ass." "is not true". :)

Honestly, with such a small surface area they need to do miracles to meet their claims about the performance. It's all lies, I say.

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It launches on the 17th. It will be commercially available throughout Europe. You really think they will launch a product that sucks right out loud? ;)

//Andreas

Yes???

It's another "revolutionary product" that's really just a refined version (if that) of something else a fraction of the price.

The price is revolutionary. At $100 it might have a chance if it actually does better than something like a TRUE. But for $400, I hope they are only hoping to trick the rich and businesses.

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

It launches on the 17th. It will be commercially available throughout Europe. You really think they will launch a product that sucks right out loud? ;)

//Andreas

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Yes I do. It is doomed due to it's price, even if it happens to beat TRUE.

They are not looking to compete against TRUE, but water cooling.

I'm not sure I agree that a cooler that beats TRUE sucks, but yes the price is going to be a hinder, which they are also very well aware of.

//Andreas

Er, with a thermal conductivity that high, technically you don't NEED a lot of surface area if you can dissipate the heat from the fins fast enough. You'll just have to see how well it scales with airflow.

Don't go making absolute claims when you don't know how it performs. "Kick ass" or "suck" is so arrogant.

The liquid might even move slowly. If it gets time to heat up then it'll drop heat onto the fins as it goes up to the pump AND as it goes back down. This is in effect a double pass radiator.

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

They are not looking to compete against TRUE, but water cooling.

I'm not sure I agree that a cooler that beats TRUE sucks, but yes the price is going to be a hinder, which they are also very well aware of.

//Andreas

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I'm saying lets see if it even MATCHES the TRUE in performance. Then we'll start the "oh, this air cooler makes watercooling obsolete" stuff like happens from time to time.

For $400, does it cool my video card and northbridge too, and at lower temperatures? Until then, this is nonsense, unless you require convenience (well, and again, and if it performs well).

I would want some real data on this one before making any serious calls.

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Originally Posted by AndrewZorn

I'm saying lets see if it even MATCHES the TRUE in performance. Then we'll start the "oh, this air cooler makes watercooling obsolete" stuff like happens from time to time.

For $400, does it cool my video card and northbridge too, and at lower temperatures? Until then, this is nonsense, unless you require convenience (well, and again, and if it performs well).

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Hm. Just from a theoretical comparison, I would say yes. That thing looks like i t has the same dimensions as the TRUE. Given the working fluid is much more potent, I'm sure it'll do better. By how much? I don't know. Hopefully 5, 10 degrees?

5-10*C would be watercooling territory. If they do it right, it should perform better than a TRUE. If it somehow does perform as well as a water setup, then really, why not just use the money for a water setup?

Less hastle maybe?

I guess I just can't forget that this thing is going to cost $400.

I wont be buying it
Id rather WC

Eh, almost everyone on here has massive amounts of disposable income, or they sure spend it like they do.

They might get customers.

uh,... dunno man... I dont like it when my HSF is cost me a lot more than my proccessor :D

It's the 17th and no reviews in sight :-(

However, when I look at their reseller list and visit those homepages, the resellers do advertise the cooler. Some of them also advertise a "danamics powerbooster for LM10 - Fits 3,5' drivebay, Gives the pump more power and better cooling performance"

Hmm, not bad but looks like there's not as much fins surface area as TRUE. Also, the fins are aluminum, and thicker. I wouldnt be surprised if it still loses to the copper edition of TRUE, with greater "air transfer" potential with say, a 2000 rpm fan.

It's like having a VF900 on your HD4870 and the fins get 90 degrees--the puny 80mm fan cannot get enough heat off those tiny fins.

Maybe I'm wrong and there's still enough surface area for the 120mm fan to keep this metal liquid beast from overheating?

http://coolerkit.dk/product.asp?product=1007

We've had a prototype to test for a few days, but we may have to wait for the retail unit before posting the review. I'll try to keep you posted, otherwise you'll just have to check the frontpage at NH for updates. I don't have as much as I would like for XS anymore.

Either way, a review is coming very soon.

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by nullface

http://coolerkit.dk/product.asp?product=1007

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only 310€ :ROTF:

for the same price you cen get a high-end watercooling kit. :clap:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

only 310€ :ROTF:

for the same price you cen get a high-end watercooling kit. :clap:

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Even a good one!

I couldnt see it being released at such a price no one would buy it IMO, you could buy a copper TRUE lap it washer mod it buy two fans and get great performance and buy a DICE/LN2 pot and DICE for a year for benching purposes and still cost less then this one cooler.

TRUE Copper-100 dollars
Sand Paper - 5 dollars
Glass-7 dollars
Washers-30 cents
Push Pull fans- 20 dollars
DICE/LN2 pot-130 dollars
Dice- 1.50 a pound 4 a month x12=72.00
Total=364 dollars

Beating peformance of a 400 dollar cooler priceless

if it competes with watercooling without the hassle of water running out to fry your comp, its viable.
I would get one so I could run my videocards passived cooled with water.

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Originally Posted by Ozzfest05

I couldnt see it being released at such a price no one would buy it IMO, you could buy a copper TRUE lap it washer mod it buy two fans and get great performance and buy a DICE/LN2 pot and DICE for a year for benching purposes and still cost less then this one cooler.

TRUE Copper-100 dollars
Sand Paper - 5 dollars
Glass-7 dollars
Washers-30 cents
Push Pull fans- 20 dollars
DICE/LN2 pot-130 dollars
Dice- 1.50 a pound 4 a month x12=72.00
Total=364 dollars

Beating peformance of a 400 dollar cooler priceless

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That's a bad analysis. You don't put a pot on top of a TRUE copper, you know.

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Originally Posted by cegras

That's a bad analysis. You don't put a pot on top of a TRUE copper, you know.

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if he doesnt hes defo on the wrong forum lol

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Originally Posted by cegras

That's a bad analysis. You don't put a pot on top of a TRUE copper, you know.

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No But I clearly stated for benching so use the TRUE Copper for everyday use and crack out the DICE pot for benching

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Originally Posted by cegras

That's a bad analysis. You don't put a pot on top of a TRUE copper, you know.

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i think he is just saying that you could buy both air and subzero kits and still save money

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Originally Posted by Ozzfest05

No But I clearly stated for benching so use the TRUE Copper for everyday use and crack out the DICE pot for benching

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But you summed up the components and then compared it all to another system, apples to oranges .. :[

with that danamics cooler will there be a need for fan's as well? Seems like it might get a tad overpowered from our OC'd Quads at higher speed?

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Originally Posted by Jamesrt2004

with that danamics cooler will there be a need for fan's as well? Seems like it might get a tad overpowered from our OC'd Quads at higher speed?

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Fans are always needed to move the heat away from the fins AFAIK :shrug:

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Originally Posted by dinos22

i think he is just saying that you could buy both air and subzero kits and still save money

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Well, yeah, but this is just awesome ... and apparently spending a ton of money on things slightly unjustified is the philosophy on these forums ;O

This cooler uses NaK as its coolant, no wonder they haven't got the green light to market it in the US.

I'm pretty sure NaK, if I'm reading it right, as in Sodium - Potassi(ate?) doesn't exist.

its a eutectic mix of sodium and potasium, about 78% potassium and 22% sodium. the stuff can explode if i comes into contact with water (or someone's skin) if it doesn't explode it will atleast burn.

Has anyone seen this in the wild yet? If so where and how much?

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Originally Posted by twin_savage

its a eutectic mix of sodium and potasium, about 78% potassium and 22% sodium. the stuff can explode if i comes into contact with water (or someone's skin) if it doesn't explode it will atleast burn.

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Great! sounds like more fun.:D

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Originally Posted by twin_savage

its a eutectic mix of sodium and potasium, about 78% potassium and 22% sodium. the stuff can explode if i comes into contact with water (or someone's skin) if it doesn't explode it will atleast burn.

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That makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Toysoldier

It's the 17th and no reviews in sight :-(

However, when I look at their reseller list and visit those homepages, the resellers do advertise the cooler. Some of them also advertise a "danamics powerbooster for LM10 - Fits 3,5' drivebay, Gives the pump more power and better cooling performance"

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NordicHardware is testing this cooler atm, so review should be available soon.

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We've been testing a LM10 prototype for a few days now, but we still have some tweaking of the text to do before we reveal how it performs. In the meantime, Danamics has announced that cooler will become available in stores near you soon, if not already. The cooler currently support AM2, AM2+ and Socket 775, but buyers will get a free Socket 1366 mounting bracket for free.

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http://www.nordichardware.com/news,8369.html

The metal in question is NaK. I can confirm that. However it's hermetically sealed inside the pipes and if a leak would occur it would coagulate instantly and seal the leak. For this to be dangerous your actually need to bring out a saw, open up the pipe and drop it in a bucket of water. I sincerely hope no one is stupid enough to do that.

I'm not sure when the review will be up, we're still discussing the results from the prototype tests. We will have benchmarks with the retail as well, we're simply discussing the best way to do this. We've been testing with a slightly overclocked high-leakage Core QX9770 which is almost too much for TRUE120 and the results are interesting the least to say.

We want to include some other tests as well, partly on request, which will delay the article a bit.

Also, Core i7 mounting brackets are on their way and will be free of charge, incl. shipping.

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

The metal in question is NaK. I can confirm that. However it's hermetically sealed inside the pipes and if a leak would occur it would coagulate instantly and seal the leak. For this to be dangerous your actually need to bring out a saw, open up the pipe and drop it in a bucket of water. I sincerely hope no one is stupid enough to do that.

I'm not sure when the review will be up, we're still discussing the results from the prototype tests. We will have benchmarks with the retail as well, we're simply discussing the best way to do this. We've been testing with a slightly overclocked high-leakage Core QX9770 which is almost too much for TRUE120 and the results are interesting the least to say.

We want to include some other tests as well, partly on request, which will delay the article a bit.

Also, Core i7 mounting brackets are on their way and will be free of charge, incl. shipping.

//Andreas

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why not add a hot phenom in there too? just a suggestion

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

The metal in question is NaK. I can confirm that. However it's hermetically sealed inside the pipes and if a leak would occur it would coagulate instantly and seal the leak. For this to be dangerous your actually need to bring out a saw, open up the pipe and drop it in a bucket of water. I sincerely hope no one is stupid enough to do that.

I'm not sure when the review will be up, we're still discussing the results from the prototype tests. We will have benchmarks with the retail as well, we're simply discussing the best way to do this. We've been testing with a slightly overclocked high-leakage Core QX9770 which is almost too much for TRUE120 and the results are interesting the least to say.

We want to include some other tests as well, partly on request, which will delay the article a bit.

Also, Core i7 mounting brackets are on their way and will be free of charge, incl. shipping.

//Andreas

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Eagerly awaiting results.

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Originally Posted by demonkevy666

why not add a hot phenom in there too? just a suggestion

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Don't have one, Phenom samples are hard to get a hold of for some odd reason.

//Andreas

Where to Buy Danamics LM10:
http://www.highflow.nl/index.php?tar...product_id=899
http://shop.burro-net.com/product_in...products_id=33

For the price .. fuggedaboutit!

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

The metal in question is NaK. I can confirm that. However it's hermetically sealed inside the pipes and if a leak would occur it would coagulate instantly and seal the leak. For this to be dangerous your actually need to bring out a saw, open up the pipe and drop it in a bucket of water. I sincerely hope no one is stupid enough to do that.

I'm not sure when the review will be up, we're still discussing the results from the prototype tests. We will have benchmarks with the retail as well, we're simply discussing the best way to do this. We've been testing with a slightly overclocked high-leakage Core QX9770 which is almost too much for TRUE120 and the results are interesting the least to say.

We want to include some other tests as well, partly on request, which will delay the article a bit.

Also, Core i7 mounting brackets are on their way and will be free of charge, incl. shipping.

//Andreas

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seems ur impressed with the performance.
The idea for me is sound, no leaks, and cool well.

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Originally Posted by flopper

seems ur impressed with the performance.
The idea for me is sound, no leaks, and cool well.

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Or then wanting to keep up with the hype. No doubt.

Don't try to read between the lines, let the numbers do the talking.

We're waiting for the retail unit right now. Neither we nor Danamics wants to stress this so I'm not sure I can promise a review before the weekend.

//Andreas

I want to see the numbers too.
In my opinion if it beats the current best solution for air, TRUEcu, it will be by 2 or 3C max. I would say it is almost impossible for it be something crazy better then the TRUEcu, like 8 or 9C better. And, there is the possibility that it will not be as good as TRUEcu.

So, reviews are going to be interesting. And of course, we won't be able to thrust a single review. I for one, will only make my mind, after seeing consistent results on several reviews and users reviews and comparisons too.

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Originally Posted by Simps

I want to see the numbers too.
In my opinion if it beats the current best solution for air, TRUEcu, it will be by 2 or 3C max. I would say it is almost impossible for it be something crazy better then the TRUEcu, like 8 or 9C better. And, there is the possibility that it will not be as good as TRUEcu.

So, reviews are going to be interesting. And of course, we won't be able to thrust a single review. I for one, will only make my mind, after seeing consistent results on several reviews and users reviews and comparisons too.

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TRUE Cu is only marginally better under load.

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Don't try to read between the lines, let the numbers do the talking.

We're waiting for the retail unit right now. Neither we nor Danamics wants to stress this so I'm not sure I can promise a review before the weekend.

//Andreas

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do you seriously think that someone will actually buy this thing at THAT price lol :p:

i would shoot off an email to them and tell them to send me a testing kit when the price drops to about a quarter of RRP :rofl::D if i was a reviewer i mean hehe

Hm, if it performes as highend water, it might aply to some ppl becourse it is very compact, no?

high end water is very flexible and upgreadable

most ppl that are thinking of throwing that kind of money on cooling will also cool their GFX cards or NB etc

Minor update: Testing retail cooler, review should be up next week. Retail cooler is better than the prototype.

//Andreas

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Minor update: Testing retail cooler, review should be up next week. Retail cooler is better than the prototype.

//Andreas

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Even better sounds good, but can you give us some numbers? Anything? :) I can't wait for review.

I am also really curious about it but I do not expect much, they need airflow and surface area to dissipate the heat regardless of what transports it to the fins heatpipes or this electromagnetic pump, on the other hand a noiseless pump for a new liquid cooling would really make me jump on it.

can you drop any hints? :)

Be patient and let him do his job!^^ :p:

His job is done, the cooler has been tested. He could have simply announced the results in the same time it took him to post about NOT releasing the results. He wants you to be impatient.

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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

Minor update: Testing retail cooler, review should be up next week...

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Then I must've misunderstood what he was writing^^ :p:
I was thinking he still is completing the results and then writing the review... but you might be a psych and know better! :D

Please. We are talking about "is it better than TRUE or water or not"... which he gives a vague answer to. There's not much of a process in saying "it outperformed the TRUE by 10*C"... which is what everyone is waiting to hear.

He could do, but he clearly stated he would not. So lets show some respect to that man following his principles. I am also totally eager to seeing results here, but I am not a santa-believing child anymore (although I sometimes act like that in private ;) ) not being able to hold out, mate. :D

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Originally Posted by SAE

He could do, but he clearly stated he would not. So lets show some respect to that man following his principles. I am also totally eager to seeing results here, but I am not a santa-believing child anymore (although I sometimes act like that in private ;) ) not being able to hold out, mate. :D

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got to respect the manufacture also.

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Originally Posted by AndrewZorn

Please. We are talking about "is it better than TRUE or water or not"... which he gives a vague answer to. There's not much of a process in saying "it outperformed the TRUE by 10*C"... which is what everyone is waiting to hear.

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I have to respect the manufacturer here. I'm sorry, but I believe it will be for the best if all numbers are released at the same time. If I give you one number you're expectations are going to be based on this very number and color your views of the upcoming review. Besides, which number should I pick then? From the passive? the low-flow fan? the mid-flow fan? the high-flow fan? The difference will vary between test as the passive flow heatpipes and active flow metal will behave different in each test.

If you get all numbers at the same time you will get the honest chance of forming your own opinion without being colored by a number I had to choose for you.

I am sorry for the delay, even though I had nothing to with it and I can't stress it, I hope you bear with us here.

//Andreas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaK

Could you let us know when will the NDA expire ?

lol there's no nda :D
you already can buy the thing.

Andreas just dont want to spill the beans on the partial results, cos it may distort the image of the product compared to full title

Never seen a cooler genearate as much hot air before :rofl:

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most ppl that are thinking of throwing that kind of money on cooling will also cool their GFX cards or NB etc

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and their beer :)

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Originally Posted by Andreas G

We know you're waiting for us to publish the review of the Danamics LM10. We've been working closely with Danamics over the last few weeks to make sure things would go as smoothly as possible, unfortunately that hasn't been the case. There is no single person to blame, just a combination of bad luck and a couple of unfortunate events. Danamics have resolved this though and we should receive an updated cooler tomorrow, one that will reflect the performance of the retail cooler. We will also change our update methodology a bit from our regular synthetic test bench to testing in an environment closer resembling your average PC case. This will make the testing a bit more inconvenient, but it should not slow down the review any further.

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http://www.nordichardware.com/news,8407.html

Too bad, I guess we have to wait a little longer...

Wasn't the whole idea that it was to be fanless? No moving parts?

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Originally Posted by Warship

Wasn't the whole idea that it was to be fanless? No moving parts?

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TRUE w/o a fan is also silent and no moving parts, but you still need to remove the heat somehow.

for that price, it should perform same as liquid cooling.
cant wait for the review :(