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[QUOTE=Remcokatz;2908642]Some photos of the new radiators IN their beautiful boxxes :D
http://www.coolclocks.nl/images/nieuws/X102-5.jpg
Simply awesome that they supply sound dampening gaskets, I had to purchase them separately for my Swiftech triple rad. :up: :yepp:
I actually like the FESER company from what I have seen so far. I have only purchased the Acid green cooling fluid from them but I think I may break the bank for the spiffy new triple rad.
Would like to see some of that UV tubing in 7/16.. would allow me to have the bling factor and run straight distilled + PT_Nuke.. also how much are those shrouds going for?
BROKE BACK FESER? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth42o
Exactly the same here Brother. I want 7/16, 5/8.Quote:
Originally Posted by InfamousChu
now I know why the rads are so expensive
they're spending all their money on marketing..
that pic is just plain weird...
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by teko
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1.../imagecopy.jpg
..... sorry, couldn't help myself.
wow lmao stealth! thats awesome haha!
lmao...!!!
back on topic
i would like to try out these rads...
and those leds look good i could really use those in my current build
Sorry to hear about the barb threads, I noticed the same thing, but I thought the threading would be fixed before production runs.
Where did you buy one at, I didn't think they were coming out until May according to their site?
Looking forward to your results...curious about the copper tubes...I appreciate the test!
Not sure how DD forums validate me, as most of the ppl over there are playing in what baseball would call the Double A league.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Yeah, I know about those topics. ;)
Not bad, I actually have a 12" x 12" x 1/2" piece of UHMW PE (#85705K42 @ mcmaster) to make my own shrouds the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik
Is this supposed to be some kind of jab at TC? Sorry, but stripped screw hole = what TC gives you. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco André
Some metro sexual marketing dweeb that hasn't got a clue who the target customer is...that's who.:rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by teko
nice ! mcoffey
I ways under the impression that a mcr320 beat the performance of a 120.2, looking at this thread would confirm that your mcr320 should perform the same or better than the 120.2 depending on your fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Edit: add source
Thermochill goes ghetto! No expensive photography for them :P
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...tz/TC-User.jpg
Damn... is this the reason why Feser is so expensive? dumb advertising campaigns?
I actually had to go to their website and check that ad out, to see if it was real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth42o
My God. It was.
I thought that it was general concensus by now that smoking was not COOL.
Talk about a marlboro man imitation. And look at what happened to him/them. Not COOL.
Um? Don't really understand the connotation you're using here? First I thought that XS was an open forum free from racial and sexual prejudices where all that matters is computers, not someone's sexual orientation.Quote:
Originally Posted by teko
Second, where do you infer that the guy is swedish? I mean, just because there's snow on the ground that makes it sweden? LOL, go look at your globe and pick somewhere else to slant your views on.
is the fan spacing the same as a thermochill or is it like the swiftech's?
Huh. I missed that post. Sheez. Us Scandinavians should stick together...Quote:
Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
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Originally Posted by Zehnsucht
I thought Europeans still smoke like crazy. Guess I am outta touch.
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Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
uh oh, do i sense some cross border tension here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehnsucht
ha ha ha,..
yea, it still bugs me how Italians go that "No Smoking Indoors" law passed... it seemed that the Italians smoke as much as china... the country...Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
LOL!
come now you scandinavians... hold hands and sing Kumbaya... :D
Swedes and Norwegians do not smoke as much since smoking has been banned in all pubs and restaurants. I've heard about a similar ban in Denmark, but it was much more protests about it than in Sweden and Norway.
I don't travel much in Europe, so can't really say for other countries.
ha ha ha... we all smoke some funky sh ! t to be in this forum... :D
lol i'm from holland (where amsterdam is) and from july 1st smoking will be banned indoors aswell :p:
oh really?
Sheesh! Was it really necessary to go there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Remcokatz
This kind of attack only strengthens anyones argument that your a Feser employee of some kind.
I think you misunderstood his post, he was being supportive. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by kinghong1970
LogAn, dude, it's friday, my brain already took off for the weekend...
ha ha ha
NP my man, my brain left yesterday xD
Compare Feser One Xchanger with Thermochill PA120.3
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5104/dscf2310cd0.jpg http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/2849/dscf2312eb6.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7279/dscf2314zz8.jpg http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1210/dscf2316zj0.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3596/dscf2317ez2.jpg http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/8253/dscf2319nc2.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2366/dscf2322ls6.jpg http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/623/dscf2333xz7.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2586/dscf2328cu5.jpg
Yea.. We still haven't forgiven you our lost lands :p: And that your girls look better and you have cheaper cars, and more than 5 cm of snow, and for more than 2 days etc :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by LogAn'sRun
Malik, TC has always had the "problem" with the larger fan spacing, but appart from that they look the same.. If it wasn't for the TC cheating thread, I would have guessed that the internals was the same as well.. The wentilation screw on the feser is on the other hand better placed, as long as the placement of the rad places that one upwards. I still prefer the look of TC's as it's got the rounded edges, but thats personal taste..
Just wish that someone would get some results out soon, cause so far the only real thing from Feser is the rads and ads pictures :p:
Today i will show temp tests results :)
I'm thinking... that perhaps, you may be bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik
You don't have right, because:
- they don't sponsor me
- they don't pay me for that
- i don't work in F1
I'm independent reviewer, sooo don't worry ;)
I'm sorry but i dont agree with you Malik :)
tell me why ?
I'm looking forward to some test results :fact:.
I like the look of the Feser gear...
LOOKS like a thermochill that has had some cosmetic adjustments :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dood001
Nothing wrong with improving on an already winning design (if is does improve)
Q - does anyone actually ever use the bleed screws on TC rads? I've always been a bit apprehensive to open them in case of it leaking and so have just resorted to lots of tilting.
I've used it, and it works pretty well, just need to be on top and you need some paper to removed the water that will come out when it's bled..
Those rads look v simmilar to my thermo pa120.3, I wonder if they perform as well??
boy some people here are real :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::b anana:s, lets bash for nice packaging!, oh thats a thermochill clone! your gonna give us fake results! Ya I agree it is expensive, but lets not get ahead of ourselves lets wait for the first thermal tests and we'll vote with our wallets :) I must admit these radiators don't seem to scream quality, but being about an inch shorter could really be beneficial in some cases, and the standard fan spacing and g 1/4 threads is nice too. Free fan seals are included, and if the thing performs just as well as the thermochills, well its a winner to me.
I say we win if we have more choices . . .which means if the Feser rad performs about the same we all win.
just as I suspected, a hair behind the TC, I would like to thank you very much for the testing.
I think the little extra fan spacing gives TC an edge.
The TC looks to be ~5% (?) larger than the feser... that would be the reason for the TC performing better I would think.
what is more important, length or girth (aka depth)?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
That is sort of a loaded question as it depends. If the tubes in one are significantly deeper then perhaps yes. The TC is definitely LONGER and that is what I based my comment on.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Hello Malik, great work. i like your testing. Nice results you have their. finally someone tested it.
someone affend you to be sponsored by feser. i hope thats not why the feser rad has not so good results now.
we need more test results like this in different environments. who can make another test?
so only 1 degree difference? that is a good result i think. TC is on the market for years. And with i've a calc: -6 degrees with feser liquid, +1 degree with the rad and we still have -5 from the others :D
so finally i would say, for the start up the feser people did a good job and the rad is performing well.
1 degree... this is only important for hardcore user. therefore it provides G1/4 and dont have to buy the reduction adaptors. also the free siliconpads. thats a plus for me and i saw other people writing the same.
the TC fan spacing also was a major prob for my case. and i get rid of drilling the holes.
Keep up this work malik. :up:
any word on when some US companies are going to be carrying some of these products? .. and maybe some 7/16 tubing! .. interested in some of those shrouds too
Thanks for testing guys, it looks to be pretty close that's good!
I'd be happy to put the Fesser 120.3 on my bench too and fire up the heaters...:D
I have them coming soon. I should be able to give you one. PM me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Mcofffey, very nice test :up: And excelent results!!!
Martin, do it :D:D Your tests are always very complete and nice to read!
You have PM..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Linus@ncix
@Mcofffey
thanks for that, you tested with just the CPU in the loop?
also hows the weight differential?
What kind of fan you used (and how many) ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik
I've ordered mine today. Feser seem to be less larger than the thermochill and this is important for me because I need a 120mm large radiator for my case (mozart tx).
With the standard spacing and these results, I may be using them as an upgrade to Mithril when the current rads are saturated...
What I was thinking. Nice, easy to understand results (pokes Martin) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Nj! :up:
While I find both Malik's* and mcoffey's results very impressive, it's still a far cry from the reported 5ºC or better over TC claims made by the company through a third party, which anyone with a brain here knew to be pure rubbish. If only they would come down to a more reasonable price (say 5-10% less than TC) here in the US, they'd probably be worth it. As it stands now, the 240 version costs ~14% more @ FrozenCPU and ~23% @ Danger Den, while the 360 version is ~28% more @ FCPU and ~35% more @ DD. IMO, simply unacceptable. :shakes:
*While I don't see anything wrong with Malik's testing data, the sheer amount of advertising he's done for Feser as of late makes me question whether or not I can truly trust it. The fact that it was so closely backed up by mcoffey is the main reason I do sort of trust it.
I have used 6 fans xthermal on both radsQuote:
Originally Posted by Repliquant67
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/527/dscf2169hl0.jpg
Xchanger is smaller than TC ;)
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Originally Posted by Astratuner
cough bump :shrug:
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Originally Posted by F1ZZY
I used it to fill my sys.
Im not using a resivior.
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Originally Posted by nikhsub1
I agree. Just a little more surface area.
Feser rad is deeper and have an higer density. With 12 fans or more powerfull fans, maybe the x-feser beat the thermochill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik
Check out mcoffey's results from earlier on this page.Quote:
Originally Posted by Repliquant67
If the fans that Malik used were the LED version, they were only moving 19.6CFM (non-LED push 38CFM), where mcoffey used YL SM's which are rated @ 70.5CFM, that's a pretty big difference. If you put Delta's on the Feser, you "might" get the 5ºC they've been bragging about:rofl: ....but then, that's the exact opposite of how most XS WC members like their rigs. ;) Still, they appear to do their job pretty well....I still can't justify the cost.:down:
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Originally Posted by Astratuner
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Originally Posted by Astratuner
Looking at this picture, I would say it is smaller. Just like an MCR and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Malik
D12SM-12s push ~55-58CFM, your point still stands though...:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I suspected as much, that's why I threw in "rated @". ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Im happy as i got my PA 360 for 89 bucks.:D
I used on my two rads 8 fans 120x38mm 130cfm at the half of their speed. It's not quiet but I can bear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Sure it is expensive, but 1°C is 1°C :D
And feser rad seem to be easier to put in my case.
HS : somebody hear something more about ybris sanso pump ?
Seem to be available but I've seen no test.
Hi waterlogged,Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
i can't get your point. Buying TFC 120.3 radiator you get 3 additional anti vibrations and G1/4" threads and screws and already drilled holes. If you calculate all this together, TC is equal to Feser rad.
Am I right? :up:
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Originally Posted by mcoffey
http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3262/dscf2302ly8.jpg
Let see,Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco André
TC you get
- rad
- gasket
- G3/8" fitting threads
- screw holes for fans
Feser you get
- rad
- anti vibration gaskets
- G1/4" fittings threads
- threaded screw holes for fans
Throw in equal performance of both rads.
I fail to see how the Feser could possibly be worth the extra money. Only a true fanboi or employee can do that.
Made me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Give them hell Andy. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
wow, well now that weve explained why we XSers r soo set in our ways why dont we sig that and be done with it :D
Hmmmm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing gap. I hope it will match in my mozart tx :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mcoffey
Need probably my dremel.
Thanks for the testing mcoffey and malik :up:
If feser can produce quite a bit of these and make them more available at lower cost then i would prolly get one for a second loop, but im gonna stick with TC for now.
Cant wait for Martin to get one of these for thermal testing.:D
damn, just by looking at those pics provided by AndyC makes we want to stay away from BIX...
have to admit, i did buy into a BIX once, and i liked the look of those dense fins and all...
but then the dust factor... oh boy... the dust...
i dont think i want my radiator to be doubling as a dust filter...
So far, there is a lot of strikes against TFC :
-Higher price vs TC
-No noticeable performance increase
-Different fan spacing vs TC or Swiftech/HW Labs
-Stupid fanbois.
-Useless marketing.
I will stick to my TC PA120.3 and I will pay only for those who are genuine and think about performance before bling... don't let us get invaded by the bling over performance crowd ;)
I just ordered a couple triple fesers. That's dissapointing about the fan spacing.
The more I read the more I agree that these are overpriced. But I wanted to get this build on the go and, lately anyway, the 120.3s are tough to find in stock. Woulda saved about 35 bucks with a 120.3 from Sidewinder or DD (none in Calgary, none at tiger or NCIX), but I had an order on the go at Frozen CPU so incurring the extra shipping woulda shaved that saving way down. And, hell, if I'm going to overspend on something, it could be on something stupider than radiators.
I don't mean that to sound apologetic. I'm still trying to understand this whole "fanboy" thing. When I started getting into PCs, I soon noticed the curiously strong allegiance some people have with certain hardware and software vendors. It's, well, curious. Especially in this industry, where customer satisfaction often doesn't seem to fit into the economics of any vendor.
Funny thing is the fanboi thing can be for or against . . .your last statement is SO untrue but I will not comment further as it would imply fanboism . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by TedShred
Yeah, it does seem to go both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
I'm really hoping you're right that I'm wrong. For sure, I don't have enough purchasing experience to know either way so, yeah, that statement was probably overdone.
Well, economics is not just the criteria for any choice. Customer service and being true is a more important factor when buying parts. This is why if a company is doing what is wrong for customers, there will be a lot of poo slinging against them and if it does exactly what we need, they get praises ;)
I agree that customer satisfaction is important but, perhaps unfortunately, customer satisfaction is in essence only a component of a company's economics. I mean, if I were a shareholder in that company, I'd vote against any board of directors that spent more money on customer satisfaction than the return that investment generated. I'd be crazy not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
I doubt we're actually disagreeing on the fundamental point here, since the real sticking point is figuring out the long term effects. Because you're right, it's a fine line between making money and alienating your customers [and eventually kill your company completely - edit]. I guess my view is just that, especially with such advanced technology used in so many different ways, companies appear to have decided that the costs aren't justified even in the long term.
I really did't intend to make any value judgment by my previous post, as to whether computer part suppliers are being "good" or "bad." They're just acting like businesses. That's just the way it is. Er, that's my opinion of the way it is.:) I could be wrong and, like I said, I hope I am!
Cheers
While I agree with your point about the fine line between profits and customer satisfaction, the point is if you don't make the WC experts happy, they will recommend against using your products so it's essential to make sure it answer a specific need.
Look at Koolance, they refused to listen to the experts and made them with aluminium/small tubing/low flow for a long time. We recommended heavily against them and when Victor Wang came here with a GPU full cover made of aluminium, we flamed him for supporting a poor choice (he is a XIP). But then he asked if we will be ok if they made it in copper and we said yes. After a short while, he came back with copper blocks so he made Koolance listen finally. Now, we are feeling they are shifting to copper only and it's a good move.
That's very interesting, I'm glad you mentioned it. Perhaps the balance of power tilts towards the consumer more than I'd assumed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xilikon
This day just got a bit sunnier!
Cheers
According to my wife..it's flow characteristics that really count ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Wow nobody can complain the TC rads are too expensive now...
Sorry but those Feser advertisements are sad and kind of creepy...
Thanks for the temp results Malik.:up:
It would be cool if the prices leveled out on the Feser rads. Give us more competition!