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Nice Eddie. You certainly are the undisputed full cover king.
No one worry about the total weight??
Anyways, i am in line for 2 sets.
That is going a little far . . .not undisputed. I doubt Eddy would say that about himself . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mankz_91
Compared to DD's current offerings?
DD does not post here as EK does so you have no idea what they are up to . . .Are there numbers of side-by-side testing that you are referring to? I like both companies and think both make kick ass stuff . . .I don't think you can say one is better than another really . . .they are pretty much variations when it comes to the full coverage blocks . . .how much variation can there be . . .and how much of a temp difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mankz_91
I am not taking anything away from Eddy . . .I love his work. I will continue using his stuff along side DD stuff as they totally compliment eachother. If only us users would have the class demonstrated by EK and DD . . .they do not talk crap about eachother at least from what I have heard. It is like watching cage fighters scrap for 3 to 5 rounds then embrace after the fight and show respect regardless of who came on top that paticular fight.
Eddy make stuff we want but what he also knows the market is needing., He does it fast, proper and shows us. Also keeps us well informed on it.
DD, makes stuff months latter, doesn't listen to us. It looks crap, it performes crap, it;s a waist all of there last blocks i saw.
Eddy speaks to us, the end users, the ones that matter. You can have a full on convo with the dude as i do most weeks about everyday life and he has the time to do this. That means a lot to show he is intrested in what were all doing.
Eddy is the higest on FC and custom or demanding products.
DD does make stuff but too late and not interact with any of us
Looks is in the eyes of the beholder. Performance? Test results or you are just espousing opinion Pete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=ione
I guess I don't understand the charts Martin made because I thought higher flow is better . . .but you are the expert so I defer to you.
I have yet to see any tests of the same generation products that show DD stuff performs like crap. Martin has done some testing which shows decent performance. No, you are just proving why DD will not come on here. You post is downright rude (using the term crap).
I understand why you like Eddy and I appreciate his responsiveness. YOu really have no clue about Danger Den as does most everyone who posts here. They do read the posts here . . .and they do listen and take into account what is said. They just do not reply.
Pete you normally seem to know what you are talking about . . .I am disappointedin you dude.
Here is a little something we have been working on :cool: EVGA designed. EVGA manufactured. Full copper.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/3...erblocknt7.png
Evga Employees get a discount? :p
awesomeQuote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
Yeah corse cos they will creat massive amount of warrnty. Im guessing rev2 of these cards will inc an I-beam to surport that lump of copper thats not needed at all!
Ouch, that will be a very heavy and expensive block. You can shave off cost and weight with a acetal middle plate ;)
Well said DB. I think we all owe a lot to DD for getting good products to the watercooling community before EK was around.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthBeavis
Very nice. EVGA is so badass these days. Gonna be uber heavy and expensive though. I am still wondering if finding a longer version of the ribbon cable would be an easier and lighter solution. Anyone have cable yet that they can analyze Number of cables, exact length, approximate awg or diameter of wires, any markings? The type of connectors. All that stuff. I wonder where Nvidia sourced them and if they are custom. These are all questions we should start asking soon. I'm also wondering if just using separate wires would work. I think it should be possible to just buy a ribbon cable and modify it though. Does Nvidia sell those cables as replacement cables for times when you break them or they are defective. I'd like to get one to analyze myself.
never mind....
There's a little custom PCB that comes with it too. It's longer than the stock one.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrWizard6600
yup and i realized that just now and rushed back here to change my post to "dumbist thing I've said in a while" :para:Quote:
Originally Posted by Linus@ncix
but now that you've quoted me, its going to be on the boards forever :shakes:
OMG FINALLY!! :clap: :yepp: :clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by jAkUp
MSRP? And when you expect to release it?
@Beavis, you'd be suprised what DD pops over to martin to test every now and then, so yeah im looking forward to what DD brings out, the IONE is pretty good. :wasntme:
sorry waterlog i had to sig this :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
I am tickled by all the manufacturer pimping in this forum. Can't we be an impartial forum and stop this incessant bickering ? lol
EK, DD.. whatever... They are all excellent.. (ssshhh... Naekuh secretly prefers Koolance but he won't admit it rofl)
i can't wait to see which one of these blocks perfoms the best. its like waiting for a big title fight!
NP :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by NaeKuh
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
DD prototype pix should be up within the next couple days . . .
http://www.dangerden.com/forums/view...10225&start=15
And as I have said, the DD guys are reading these threads including this one . . .if you want their feedback you can head over to their forums.
.Go Eddy Go....
RAWR! KOOLANCE FTW! err the compression fittings only i mean! :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
I know that this forum probably hates Aqua Computer stuff but I got this off of their forum, translated from German to English using babelfish.
"Since we got very many inquiries, the here following info.: We will naturally offer a radiator for the new Nvidia 9800GX2 map. This will be made like the current radiators of copper. We will present and then with production will begin the new aquagrafx presumably coming week. Likewise it will give a radiator for the 9800GTX. Further information coming week"
radiator=waterblock
I'm interested to see it. I liked the look and components they used for their 8800GT block. All copper with 1/4" fittings. I probably won't buy it, but maybe, we'll see how it turns out.
i couldn't wait/afford for ek/Innovatek so ...
i contacted eleven to make 9800gx2 waterblock .
eleven's es/test 9800GX2 Block :D :D :D
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3...1902aj3.th.jpg
http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7...1903mx5.th.jpg
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5...1906qp1.th.jpg
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/7...1907tw2.th.jpg
Shameless bump... Eddy where is your beautiful block???
http://www.directcanada.com/products...e=DANGER%20DEN
Pretty expensive.
$192.60 ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raxxath
isn't that in Canadian dollars or w/e they use up there???
Please God, don't let blocks for these cards be $200!!!
I'll run them on air before I spend $400 on water blocks :(
Guys...
Take a breath.
Block has a perfect fit...
Enjoy...
Eddy
Damn! Very nice. Very interesting flow design too. So it looks like it goes down directly to one gpu, flows up around both sides, goes to the other side of the block and flows down the sides to the gpu, then up and out?
Maybe you could explain it better but it must have been complicated. Nice work.
:shocked:
If I can afford it I will get one as I am supposed to be getting a GX2.
It would go nicely with the EK Supreme, EK res...............
wait a minute I think EK is up to something here, he is trying to take over our PCs ONE PART @ A TIME! (Joke)
That is a beautiful piece of hardware and anxious to see how it performs.
wow very nicely done eddy! the acrylic version is very nice.
i see that there is no longer an option for barb placement.
was nice to having that option but im sure thats not an issue
:up:
actually, it looks like it comes down the center and onto both gpus then around the sides and one gpu then goes through the two holes in the center to the other side then out. basically it runs the two gpus in parallel from inlet to outlet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
i WANT ITQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
That's correct. I was wondering how they will tacke the issue of cooling both cores equally and the pics show very well how it's done.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtosDracon
Oh man, the plexi center would be amazing if it had 1-2 small LED holes on the side or bottom to illuminate the whole core.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
OH NOES machining marks!!@#!@ :rolleyes:
Seriously though, it looks nice.
I take it that Eddy's block has a jet-type setup where the water first flows through the delrin, then through that slot right into the waves, and then around to cool the memory, and then out of the block? Nicely done Eddy, that took some serious thought.
:up: :toast:
that is a really nice looking block! Man, if only I had a gx2 to run it on :D
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Originally Posted by Raxxath
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Originally Posted by fornowagain
Looks like some ppl need to be reminded of a couple things.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonofander
Speeds just a question of money, how fast do you want to go?
and
This is 1 block is essentially 2 full sized coolers for 1 card. Try buying 2 separate full sized cooler for that price. ;)
Yeah, there are some in questionable places, just hope they don't ship any like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadmos
That looks really really nice! Cant wait to get my hands on one now! LOL! Flow design is a really clever idea, running the channel down the centre to hit both GPU's at once like that!
Hi!
Thanks for the good feedbacks.
Yes the water runs parallel through the blocks. There is one piece missing (the plate with the jet) for the other part.
The machining marks...
They are seen because of the light.
Anyway that is how the production is, I don't see any advantage if that surface would be polished. If we would cast the block there would not be any of those marks...
For me they are the sign of milling process. You will not see them because they will be facing each other when assembled.
For the Acrylic version, there will be 2 holes for the LED diodes. where d you suggest the places for LED's?
great job!!! good think you do not use one of those diamond mill things . . .they would really give you grief ;) Anyways, like aways . . .top notch work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Can you post a pic installed?
Eddy, If I may make a suggestion, try to keep the cuts in the core area to one direction. From the first pic you posted, it looks like you have multiple runs through the area (noted by red and blue), this could turn into a problem should the block ever move while machining. This is just nit picking on my part as it won't affect performance at all but, it also looks like your display block here has some rough handling marks (black) as well.
damn water, just nitpicking eddys beautiful work?? JK acctualy quite amazing you caught that.
I'd say either at the bottom (Red) or in the sides of the acrylic (Green, at an angle):Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/2402/ek9800gx2ahb9.gif
Well I was looking through this thread you see..... and there it was "ooooop, yip yip, I see it right there... Heres the problem, Sir (in Red):"Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedalmonkey
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/4610/picture2xy7.gif
hehe, just jk water!!!!!!!!! :D
I just had to, sorry...
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :ROTF: :ROTF:
Edit:
No hard feelings now, right? ;)
Having been a machinist for 12 years, I see all these parts a good bit differently than most here. It's a blessing and a curse. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedalmonkey
I think smee hit the nail on the head with the red. They'll be on the MoBo side (easier wiring) and most of the center plate should get a good dosing of LED.
No hard feelings smee, I am and addict, just not the type most of y'all are. :ROTF:
That block is the first one that came out...
The hands were allover it.
@Waterlogged... The GPU area will be clean, not like this one, don't worry...:;)
Yeah I would also say keep the LED holes near the motherboard to help hide the wires. If you get some nice bright LEDs it should light up the middle piece nicely.
I'm nursing a semi over this block.
^^^
Funny man
when will this block be released?
First pieces in about 7 days...
:)!
Damn Eddy, NICE!!!
Pre-order available?
also, what will they be retailing for?
when we can preorder?
how much it'll cost?
need couples to be shipped to rome italy
anyway great work and so fast
Very Excited!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Now I just need to see the cost :D
Also, anyone know if my WaterKeg Extreme will be able to handle two of these 9800GX2's on waterbocks plus a Q9450 with a waterblock?
awesome so glad to hear that the block is ready and should be available shortly it looks great in the pics. looking forward to this one eddy! any word on prices?
With a small over clock that's getting on for 550w, maybe a bit much for a PA120.3Quote:
Originally Posted by Natalia
2 GX2's OC would push a 120.3 on thier own IMO.
When will they be hitting the stores Eddy? Also a questions for you guys, whats the heat dump of a GX2, I wanna run it in a loop with my QX6800 and the 780i / nForce chip via Vipers block, would it be ok on a D5 Vario and a PA120.3?
well, wat ever an 8800Ultra times 2 would be a safe bet.
Really? Wouldn't it be alittle less than that since theyre basically 2 512MB GTS's? Would a extra PA120.1 in the loop help any?
Could we pre-order it? I rly want this to arrive at the same time as my GX2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
No LEDs please :P I want a clean system, without any LEDs.
If you absolutely must have LEDs, i would placed them at the bottom of the block, so it would give the same effect like neon lights under a car.
I believe he is just going to include 2 3mm holes so you could add your own leds if you want, or leave them out for a clean look.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intern
Nice, thanks :)
Bummer :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedalmonkey
If that Innovatek block comes in copper, I'll buy for shure. :)
Then you will not buy it...Quote:
Originally Posted by LockBreaker
Pictures of Aqua Computer's 9800GX2 block:
http://www.aqua-computer-systeme.de/...oducts_id=1906
It's kind of disappointing, I was hoping for more. At least it's copper with 1/4" connections, but I don't like how the blocks are connected and it looks like a lot more flow restriction. I think the Ek block looks way more massive and efficient. I think I'll go with Ek.
Looks like the EK have bigger water tunnel.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueAqua
But the AQ only weight 700g, what's the weight of the EK design???
It the EK weight much more, i have to get a MM Horizon.
1.09 kgQuote:
Originally Posted by QuadSLI
kako si Eddy ?
That is beautiful , as is all of your work .
Do we have any idea of price yet ? I will be buying a gx2 and want to volt mod it and water cool it .
:up:
Excellent news Eddy! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Good thing those hands that were all over it weren't from around here...otherwise, you wouldn't have had the block long enough to take any pics of it. :rofl:
For everyone asking about the price, expect it to be about a little less than 2 8800GTX coolers (roughly the same as the DD listed back a page or so), I'm guessing maybe...120€-125€ (~$188-$195 US).
Živjo, odlično sem ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by aussie-revhead
Have to calculate the pricing, also cant say prices here in forums. It will be a bit more than 3870X2 bock.
how do u guys come to the conclusion that the innovatek block is made from alu only???
sure... the biggest part is 100% aluminium just to reduce the weight of the block. but the the part that is cooling the gpu (which is the only important thing to really watercool) is made from 100%copper. the alu look of the gpu part comes from a thin layer that protects the copper from oxidation. oxidation will reduce the performance of a copper block much more than this microscopic thin layer.
u guys should read the product information on innovateks site instead of just looking at a picture and say "bahhh.. alu"
...and just to add to what mcoffey said, I've seen a pic of what happens to Innovatek's plating and it ain't pretty. Mix that with the aluminum touching the copper and things get even fuglier. Oxidation does not hurt coppers thermal transfer at all, it just looks fugly.
ur afraid of corrosion of the aluminium? or of the two metals reacting with each other? i´m just curious what the major problem is. nobody is running his wc with ordinary water... there are additives which prevent corrosion.
@mcoffey 120.3 with high flow fans might do it. id figure its about 4 8800Ultras for heat load, so you might be pushing it. HEY THERMOCHILL, HERE WOULD BE A GREAT TIME TO INTRODUCE A 120.4!!! srry, just thought maybe Marci would hear it :p.
@MadDias the copper and aluminum corrode when in a loop together. yes there are anticorrosive fluids but they dont work all the time and things still corrode. many people here have experienced it first hand. Also a lot of people are running straight distiled water (plaining water) with a bit of Biocide to keep stuff from growing. with the Anti Corrosive fluids things tend to gunk up and reduce the flow in the loop and reduce the thermal transfer between the block and the water.
The thing is, a lot of ppl would like to put it together and forget about it for a while. You can't do that with mixed metal loops, they need much more attention and care to keep them problem free. I'm currently posting this on such a loop and even with Innovatek Protect I'm still a good bit nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDias
maybe 2 loops with a 120.2 for each GPU?? idk. ive seen people run 2 ultras on a 120.3 b4. these 9800gx2's seem like they put out even more heat.
:devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDias
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Sarcasm...just another reason to buy from EK! :up:
Pedal, this miss conception that the GPU's need to be super cool to get greater overclocking is a myth. Unless you can dip into sub ambient cooling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedalmonkey
Air will achieve the highest rated overclock on GPUs unless you volt mod.
So using this logic, it makes no sense to keep your gpu's super cool as long as its quieter and better then air. :shrug:
Anyhow Andy, as long as your gpu's are kept cooler then air, id say you shouldnt put too much effort in them. I dont think you vmod your cards.
NaeKuh, Andy said he was going to Vmod those cards, but idk. i would agree that a 120.3 would handle those fine, but if he is Vmoding i would be more careful than hasty.
LOL i missed that comment on the overvolt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedalmonkey
Andy your screwed. 4 videocards and your asking for it expecially vmoded. Andy drop another radiator, and split your cards up on individual loops.
An MCR220 should be enough for 1 card. Have two of them and it should hold you out unless those cards can push more wattage then a solo 8800Ultra.
Amazing job on the GX2 block EK :up: . Definitely interested in picking one up as soon as my CC relaxes from my recent upgrades :D
The Acrylic looks damn clean and nice.. can't wait to go EK Supreme + gx2 block + pa120.3 :clap:
One thing I've been thinking about with these 9800GX2 blocks. Are you going to be able to keep the plastic housing around it still intact or how are those connected on there? I'm sure you'll have to have the top portion off but I'm unfamiliar with how those are constructed. It could be super clean if that stays on and only a small opening in the top between the cards for the waterblock connections. Anyone have any insight on this? Maybe mcoffey could comment on how he thinks it would work since he's got the cards.
The housing will get in the way and its made of metal btw.
How would 2 9800GX2's put out the same heat as 4 8800Ultras? The GX2 uses a different core that is cooler, and both cards are clocked between a G92GT and G92GTS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedalmonkey