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Pleasure. I haven't eventually bought one from them as after reading a few threads and reviews I am leaning towards new Samsung F1 320GB one platter or WD 640GB (this one is not available in UK yet I am afraid). The prices are comparable (for 320 drives) and it seems like Samsung offers slightly better performance. I think. Probably nothing you can notice running real life applications but still...Quote:
Originally Posted by Biker
:rolleyes:
Yep 14 extra GB per platter.. its going to be a staggering difference :DQuote:
Originally Posted by czajunia
There are actually, they just aren't SATA.Quote:
Originally Posted by FischOderAal
EBL
where can I find these in the US, or when will they be out?
The Samsung F1 320GBs aren't due in the U.s. until late mid-late AprilQuote:
Originally Posted by Craftyman.
(but don't hold me to that... Samsung has been notorious for being late)
EBL
Anyone know if Seagate has plans to follow suit of WD and Samsung and release a ~300GB single platter drive?
F1''s a bit cheaper in the UK.
http://allyourithere.com/store/viewI...idProduct=1933
£46.40?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devious
Bargain! :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Devious
Only problem is, check your shopping cart and :
"Please note: Minimum order value is £50.00 ex VAT (Delivery costs not included.)"
I got one from here:
http://www.ginger6.com/samsung-seria...b-p-30309.html
Decent price and came quickly
How much is delivery at this place?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mumid
Cost me around 7 quid mate - royal mail special deliveryQuote:
Originally Posted by roadie
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_in...7200-16mb.html
new platters?
Yes, they are also for sale in the Netherlands, and also in various german stores, I am personally still waiting for the 320GB variant:(
so samsung is lying on their website?Quote:
Originally Posted by Devious
so we've been mislead...cheaters :(
TEDY, where did you see samsung saying something about platters? Max formatted capacity doesn't mean that
New platters indeed. The part number of this drive is HD642JJ so it can only be 2×320GB because the 1st "J" means the drive has 4 heads (the second "J" = SATA II).Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
I've noticed my mouse cursor has been hovering on the "kaufen" -button since yesterday when I noticed the drives had appeared on Mindfactory and Geizhals.at. ;)
Where is any info about platters?Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
nowhere, my bad :P
to me it has been clear for a good while now the the 1TB uses 334GB platters and the 750GB uses the old 250GB platters.
What i find wierd tho is that i cant find a single review site that puts the F1 1TB and F1 750GB head to head or a site that has a review on both.
Could it be that Samsung doesnt want review sites to compaire the 2 drives?
but anyway putting all this aside the 750GB stil is a grt HD.
On geizhals.at it dropped below 100 euro wich makes it a grt drive for the price and performence it delivers. the 1TB performs better and has a lil more space but in return costs twice as much.
Biker.....how did the single platter WD320AAKS vs Samsung F1 testing go ?
Thanks :)
In 3 months it will pass 1 year from the press release of Samsung F1 series and I still can't buy the 320 GB version. This is ridiculous :down:
ya but thats cause Samsungs T166 is stil selling to good. they be competiting with one of their own products.Quote:
Originally Posted by marius7
I guess once Samsung launches the F2 wel will see the smaller F1s apear lol.
Just ordered 2× HD642JJ's.
ETA is pretty much unknown as the retailer doesn't have stock atm but estimates availability within 48hours.
edit:
The drives are on their way, expecting arrival early next week.
Yea, supposedly they are reliable, and i didnt hear about them failing yet... Sure hope they dont, theyre not cheap, and i would kinda like my data.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankR
grrrrrrrrrrrrr something wrong with hdd?
just got new F1 SAMSUNG 750
http://shrani.si/t/S/rn/Kl7wiX/wtf.jpg
Got some F1 HD642JJ action:
Attachment 74848
Attachment 74849 Attachment 74850
Attachment 74855
These things are so quiet.
:)
Raid0 - here I come!
I don't see anything alarming in that ss. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Both my 640GB'ers show exact same numbers which are similar to your's.
Attachment 74851
i thought something wrong :P
cause old T1 500GB SAMSUNG didnt have anything yellow :P
where did you get HD TUNE 3.0 PRO? :D
*Cough-cough*
HDTune is a commercial program.
:P
yeah and i'm prest :P
Bad news.
My other HD642JJ died in her crib. All it says anymore is a horrible non-stop clickety-click. There was a slight performance discrepancy between the two drives in HDTach and HD Tune, wonder if that was an omen of things to come?
How do you figure thats a small drive? C:\ Drive should only contain O.S / Programs storage should always be kept on other drives:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
^rule #1!
largon dead?
Fixed and QFT :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
320GB is overkill even. You can shrink xp/w2k3 server/vista down to 150-300MB with tools like nlite.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
it uses 250GB plattersQuote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
I don't care how fast my OS boots up so I'm good with a single drive or a RAID0 array of two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Yup. Got one dead F1 640GB here. It was basically DOA since it lived ~2hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
http://www.helsinki.fi/~llounent/smilies/burial.gif
btw, would you post your F1 750GB HD Tach / Tune benchmark results?
edit:
Audio sample of the dead disc revvin up:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1206532345
(renamed to .txt for uploading as an attachment)
That does sound nice. Maybe you could sell the soind as an electronic beat sample. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by largon
Hmmmm.....Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
I also noticed a slight performance disrepancy between my 2 sammy F1 320GB drives.
Furthermore, I noticed a difference in the casing (underside) and some solder points even though both drives were virtually seqential in terms of serial number....
I guess 2 (or more) fabs are churning these out and then they are being mixed up when it comes to allocating serial number stickers?
.....answers on a postcard to the usual address :D
The serial numbers of the drives are the same save the last number: the s/n of the drive that's still alive ends in 495 and the dead one is 499 - they're almost identical twins. :D
HDTach graphs reveal a distinct difference between them, the patterns are totally different:
Attachment 75005
Blue graph = dead drive
Is this normal for identical drives?
Heres the pic:
2 HD322HJ drives with virtually identical serial numbers:
Spot the 10 differences for a prize :D
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/i...m/DSCF0297.jpg
Sigly different you said... look at that motor :lol:
Quote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
Exactly!
(/sarcasm is now off ;p)
this is all i could find... what were the other ones?
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7033/dscf0297vj0.jpg
The pcb rev (left 07, right 08) and the motor itself :)Quote:
Originally Posted by p8ntslinger676
....and there are a few more more minor ones on the pcb... but my pic is not 100% focussed .... :rolleyes:
Did I win? :D
http://www.imagesforme.com/out.php/t41773_DSCF0297.jpg
Close, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by quake6
You just missed the pcb rev ;)
But you said 10 is enough to win :D
HA!Quote:
Originally Posted by quake6
I said spot the 10 differences....
The 10 were of my choosing..... and you got 9!
;) :D
Just wish my drives were the same... my RAID is suffering!! :rolleyes:
Mine are both Rev04.
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Largon, it sounds like your microphone was an inch away from the drive. Good stuff.
Sorry, man.Quote:
Originally Posted by bito
No chance to test yet as my order got messed up somehow!
Hopefully get 2 of the WD's next week.....;)
Where in AMERICA can i find these?
It seems HD642JJ has more sturdy case compared to HD322HJ:
Attachment 75157Less than an inch actually. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MotF Bane
The drive was on a folded piece of foam and the mic was right between 'em.
what is funny, 500GB SAMSUNG and 750GB prices going up while new platter model 640MB going down now only 86€ :D
what does this mean... I understand the iop341 part but not the 10% part.Quote:
Originally Posted by NapalmV5
does he mean only using 10 of the platter which is the outside for better seeking and read/write? if so how do you do it?
Yup, that means only 10% of the discs is in use so the head has very short distances to travel - the funny thing is this doesn't gain anything in real world because on non-fragged drives files are located just as close to each other as on this 10% array. The only application that gains is the random access time tests on HDD benchmarks.
http://www.mindfactory.de/product_in...I-HD103UJ.html
omfg!!!! NEW PLATTER?
which one to choose :P
640GB Samsung HD642JJ 7200 16mb or 1000GB Samsung SpinPoint F1 32MB SATA II HD103UJ
both 334GB platter 100000% ?
Now that's a considerably price drop. Almost 50% infact.
TEDY,
The part number is the same HD103UJ so the letter that codes the amount of heads (U=6) is the same thus the amount of platters is 3.
Soooo cheap:eek: . Hope it's not a mistake.....
I don't see how it could be a mistake as there's dozens of vendors that offer the drive at this price point - or lower.
Well, now the price from mindfactory.de is 175.31 euro
e-bug and lots of others are still <130.
mindfactory are known to quickly change prices...
dutch online shops sell them for 141 euro atm, but other german shops sell them for around 130Quote:
Originally Posted by TEDY
Samsung F1 HD322HJ 320GB
Poland 196zl around 40£, 55E, 80$.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75...8121519901.jpg
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y75...8121519900.jpg
:banana::banana::banana::banana: they're fast....:)
Hey,
friend of mine just bought 2 x 750GB F1 Raid 0
and these are his hdtach speed does it look correct?
his specs are abit ip35pro + Q6600 @ 3.2 + 4GB DDR2 800 + 3870 ATI + Vista Ultimate SP1
long test 32MB
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4...tf1raidos3.jpg
short test 8MB
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6...1f1raiduz9.jpg
Enable Volume-Write-Back Cache in the Intel Raid manager tool. See what your results are then.Quote:
Originally Posted by redrumy3
ok, will tell him to bench both 8mb and 32mb test and i will post back in a bit, thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Knight
Enable Volume-Write-Back Cach is enabled
here is 8MB Test
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8...tf1raidzu1.jpg
and here is 32MB Test
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5...tf1raiddw8.jpg
No need to post both 8MB and 32MB - the difference between them is that the latter is merely more accurated.
f1 750GB use 3x250GB platters...
Is this a sign of a faulty drive, access time around 20ms, read speed falling to only 15MB/s?
http://shrani.si/f/n/LI/3YbMYiLx/samsung-hd642jj.jpg
Gr1mR34p3r,
Look like you "used" the disc during the benchmark.
Maybe your torrent or antivirus is running on background during the test.
has anyone actually been able to find the f1 320 and 640gb drives in the US? This is pissing me off so much since plenty of european sites have it, but not a single US etailor or brick and mortar has them
This looks way better, only access time is still rather high, WD5000AAKS has 13.2ms:
http://shrani.si/f/1p/zT/3TJVEhfY/hd...ng-hd642jj.jpg
http://shrani.si/f/31/PW/1zBuXYnC/hd...ng-hd642jj.jpg
So which should be the system drive, is transfer rate or access time more important?
My test with two 640GB F1s in RAID0.
8mb
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1207905878
32mb
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1207905878
So Samsung F1 640GB and 1TB models are faster than 750GB ones?
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...s/ES_Tool.html
ES-Tool helped me fix the drive, CD didn't start up on my computer, so I had to install the drive in another one, AAM MODE (Automatic Acoustic Management Mode) set to:
FAST - 18ms in HD Tune
QUIET - 15ms
MIDDLE - 14.2ms
DISABLE - 13.5ms
Set to FAST again and it was 13.5ms, then plugged the hard drive again in my computer, again 18ms :mad: .
So my question is, where do these settings get saved, surely not on hard drive.
And I guess I need to plug in an ATA DVD-RW, it works on computer with ATA DVD-RW, and not on two computers with SATA DVD-RW.
:yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogPO
My HD103UJ 1tb runs fine :)
RealTelstar,
Any reallocated sectors? (see SMART data)
Are they 320GB versions the fastest overall?....faster then then 640GB version?
What model/serial number should one be looking out for please.
The 320 + the 640 + the 1tb F1 Samsung drives have virtually identical performance characteristics as has been proven numerous times in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
The 320gb model number is HD322HJ
The 320 + 640 + 1TB F1 drives = 334gb per platter = fasterQuote:
Originally Posted by BulldogPO
The 750 gb F1 = 250gb per platter = slower
Thus one should opt for the cheaper 320GB models and RAID them up?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
Exactly :)
Just read posts #142 and #144 in this thread so you are forewarned about the possibility of getting different rev drives in the same order and do NOT try to raid them on a P5K Premium with serial numbers beginning 28xxxxxx ;)
So 2x320 or better 2x640?
Or instead 320GB for the OS and a 640 for else?
^ Don't forget about backups, if money was no object i'd RAID two 320GB and have one 640 + external enclosure for backups.
I think this is ripe for a class action from bait and switch. There's no justifiable excuse for this and they need to be wrapped on the knuckles to stop such behavior. They want to revise the spec, they slap a new model number on it, you don't start selling the inferior parts as if they were the higher performing ones.
Here is 2 hd322hj in raid 0
I've Ordered the 1TB version for storage.
I havent checked if it was 16mb or 32mb because I thought all F1s comes with 32mb cache.
does it make a difference anyway ?
1tb is 32 only the 320 is 16mb