set the HDD priority to the usb drive then set first boot device to HDD. You may also need to go into USB setup to make sure its emulating HDD
set the HDD priority to the usb drive then set first boot device to HDD. You may also need to go into USB setup to make sure its emulating HDD
The chipset is the issue, heat kicks in really early and unless you are watercooled you are going to see issues keeping it cool enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mix
CPU's with at least a 10 multi are really needed on this platform, FSB overclocking is just tooo hard with quads for my liking.
Also remember tRFC, tune it correctly to bring vdimm down and in many cases chipset voltage also
I spent some of this weekend playing with this board and an E8500 under phase change. Still using the 1001 bios.
Even with a couple of fans pointing at the Northbridge, the highest FSB I could get the system to boot into windows at was 485 (1980). Memory latency takes a big hit once you go above 450, so the performance hit above there isn't worth taking. With the fans, the heatsink on the Northbridge doesn't actually feel that hot to touch (i.e. no burns on my fingertips yet!), but as voltage gets even a little above 1.5 bios reports northbridge temps going into 60s.
On my board, no amount of playing with (i.e. raising) voltages and slackening off memory timings could get this thing to boot above 500FSB. This a bit fustrating because it seems like this E8500 chip has more to give, but I am FSB limited by the board at 450 X 9.5 = 4.3ghz. Meanwhile my QX9650 needs lots of volts to run stable at 450X10. Ho hum...
See, someone else noticed the big mem performance drop after 450FSB.Quote:
Originally Posted by barza
I CANT get around it.:mad:
I tried booting 450 FSB and then raising the FSB in windows, but windows would crash as soon as I moved the FSB upward....
I tried the same, and the highest I could get was an unstable 465. and semi stable 460.Quote:
Originally Posted by barza
I think the 780i chip cheats when it comes to mem clocking.
Which is why people can push unbelievable timings with it. But yet the mem performance isn't great for those timings.
Prolly stability again divider related like with the Striker Extreme
Hi everyone,new to the forum here an i have a couple questions.
My setup
Striker 2 formula bios 0101
e8400
corsair dominator pc2-8500 1066 1X4 GB
Zalman 9700 cpu fan
2 WD 74 raptors
creative SB X-Fi
asus EN8800GT
Tunic miniplant 950w
Windows XP
Thermal paste artic5
When i use coretemp at idle it shows temp reading 28c 38c,should their be that much difference between the 2 cores?
At loads teasting ie: OCCT,Prime95 it goes up to 38c 48c.
Atm im just using the AI overclock in bios 20% OC
CPUZ shows it as 3.6 multi 9x bus 400.0 mhz rated bus 1600.1 mhz. core V 1.232
So far ive been unable to reach any higher on my own an run stable playing games is the only reason this comp is built for.
Also ive take the HS setup off of the MB an redid it with IC diamond then A5 silver,temps are basicly the same(between the diff TP) tho far lower than the stock setup.
Was hoping to reach 4.0 stable to play games as thats all i care for.
mechachrome, what was the temp difference after redoing the northbridge paste compared to stock?
regarding your core temp difference, you could redo the cpu tp and check for correct securing of the HS screws
i posted my bios settings on the previous page and hit 3.6 with only a nb volt increase (using the bios tweaks). they may or may not work for your setup but should provide a good starting point. keep in mind you may encounter fsb holes that no amount of voltage will overcome.
Let me start out ... I'm glad those aren't brains.
Alright, I am new to overclocking, I know just enough about building computers to be dangerous to myself and others :) I hope you don't mind helping out a noob, hopefully I won't be a noob for too long.
This is my 4'th Asus build over the years, hope I didn't pick a wrong board.
I built my Striker II E8400 about 10 days ago. Used Ai boost go give it a small overclock to 350 = 3.2ghz and about 1400ish fsb. I used 2 gigs of ocz 1066memory, I have 4 gigs but can only get 2 to post, either of pairs of sticks will post but not both. I have been stable like this for 10 days now.
I have not done much in bios since I am not sure exactly how to clear cmos even though there is a button on the back, do you hold it down without power, does it have to be done for 1 sec or 30 sec? At least using soft ware it reverts back if it crashes if your over aggressive, mine will crash at about 360 cpu clock. I did raise the memory voltage to 2.2 requested by the spec on the memory. I am using the Zaleman 120 mm fan, 1000w ps with 2 8800 gts (92)s in sli. The whole reason for this particular build. Almost waited for x48 and going single card. But couldn't resist SLI.
I would like to try to unlink the cpu and get a little more out of it and leave the fsb behind but not real sure how to do that, unlinked I am guessing, some of the bios terminology is a bit confusing to me.
Someone mentioned the auto settings on the ram sucked .. how do you tell what the auto settings are? I should set mine to 55515 2t but have left them on auto for now. I would like to get the other 2 Gigs of ram working even though I have 32 bit vista and will only gain 1 gig acording to what I have read with the 2 512's.
Right now my win mark is 15k wouldnt mind getting a bit more out of this rig just for the fun of it. My temps seem to be on the reasonable side from reading this thread.
So anyhelp would be appreciated. If this is the wrong forum for this let me know.
Mechcachrome and Webrider - hi guys. If you are using the AI boost function to overclock your CPU and want to do more, you need to get yourself a bit more informed on how this stuff works. There are probably lots of places where you can read up on this, but you could start with the document below - it was written for reference 680i boards, but the principles involved in overclocking the 780i boards are the same. Once you are on top of the issues of FSB, multiplier, Vcore, linked versus unlinked memory and the like, you'll find help to more specifc questions on this forum.
http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/45121/...erclocking.pdf
Hope that helps...
Hmm so i sholdnt be getting a 10c diff between cores i take it?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by asp6000
Stock it was in the 50's underload so i checked the Asus forums an some ppl mentioned rediong the TP on the heatsinks. Also i redid the CPU cooler an still get the same readings,the Zalman setup only has 2 screws to lock the cooler inplace over the cpu.
Also thanks for the link i will be reading up on it as to get a better understanding of this new setup.:)
webrider, a vista patch may help. i used KB929777 to solve my 4 gig problem under vista64. Memset3.4 will give you most of the memory settings.
mecha, the core temp diff. in itself will cause no harm. you just won't have as much head room at load temps...
Ok so I've had this board for a little more than a week and have found the following:
1) poor stability using Kentsfield quads / Q6600 - max stable OC 3200MHz @ 356*9
2) poor stability using 4GB memory causing frequent BSODS in vista 64
3) finicky at certain FSB settings; general instability and BSODS from around 433-452
4) almost unsurpassable heat issues with NB reaching 74 degrees and system instability with V_NB at 1.48 (required for high FSB settings)
=>using 1x90mm fan over NB; both Asus chipset fans on MOSFETS; 3x120mm intake fans and 1x120mm and 1x80mm exhaust fans...
(WC CPU and both GPUs should also keep case temps down)
Max FSB for windows boot: 470 (V_NB 1.48, V_SB=1.65, CPU PLL=1.80)
Max stable FSB: 458 (same settings)
Max CPU MHz for super-pi 32M: 3780MHz (420*9)
Max stable CPU MHz for day-to-day use: 3600MHz (400*9)
=>Everest system test (CPU, RAM, FSB, cache) 16 hr stable
Ditch the 902 bios, it sucks. Google the 1001 beta.Quote:
Originally Posted by polar bear
Is that 1001 beta bios better?
Settings:
Cpu Volt: 1.25000v
Cpu PLL Volt: 1,50v
Cpu VTT Volt: 1.20v
Memory Volt: 2.20v
NB Core Volt: 1.20v
SB Core Volt: 1.50v
1.2v HT volt: 1.20
Bridge Core Voltage: 1.20v
I have also questions.
When do i need to raise the Cpu PLL voltage?
When do i need to raise the cpu vtt voltage?
When do i need to raise the NB & SB core voltage.
I have already clocked my cpu
http://aycu21.webshots.com/image/439...3811167_rs.jpg
I can`t go higher then 328mhz, 329mhz will freez the system.
I have tried higher v-core on 1.3volt but doesn`t work. What to do? More volt on the cpu PLL and Vtt? Need to get higher.
I have my E6600 rev B2 stable at the following voltages for 400*9=3600:
CPU 1.40
CPU VTT 1.40
CPU PLL 1 .50 (stock)
Mem 2.20
NB 1.32
SB 1.50 (stock)
1.2V HT 1.20 (stock)
At 417*9=3756 i need the following:
CPU 1.60
CPU VTT 1.60
CPU PLL 1 .80
Mem 2.20
NB 1.48
SB 1.65
1.2V HT 1.50
At 422*9=3800 system cannot post despite Vcore=1.65; DET IDE error msg
Thank you polar bear, i will try.:yepp:
As I understand, higher CPU PLL is needed with higher FSB settings.
Quote:
Originally Posted by v_parrello
What voltage is stock for CPU VTT? :help: I have it on 1.20 volt.
Just check in BIOS... usually the lowest setting is stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinL
With higher Pll voltage the cpu reacts a lot better. But i still can't get higher
329 Mhz will freez. Vtt voltage haven't much effect on the cpu. Yet i have bios 0101, because bios version 0902 wasn`t that good to overclock with the conroe. But i have to try that Beta 1101 bios, maybe its a lot better. Had already tried a lower multiplier, but doesn`t getting higher on the front side bus.
Is the mulitplier for the E8400 locked. After reading the pdf link provided earlier that seems to be what I am looking for. I'm ok with 350 x 4 = 1400 fsb.
I could get the processor to 3.5, that seemes like a modest overclock.
Still would like to be shure how to clear cmos if it doesn't post.
i'm looking for chipset / mosfet block recommendations. suggestions?
i haven't once had to clear the cmos after many post fails while tweaking bios settings. the board just boots right back up at stock speed but all your bios settings remain unchanged making it very hassel-free. but yes there is a cmos reset button on the external i/o plate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Webrider
Can someone help me? I can't get the cpu much higher.
I've iam trying @329mhz the system freezing.
What did i already tried?
Cpu voltage on 1.3volt
Higer NB Core voltage on 1.4 and 1.5 doesn`t work
Cpu PLL on 1.55 volt doesnt work
Cpu VTT volt on 1.3volt doesnt work.
South bridge Core on 1.55 doesnt work
Lower Multiplier (8) doesn`t work.
The new 1001 beta bios doesn't give me more preformance.:eek:
:(
asp6000 ok i have seen my boad boot back up, I didn't understand what I was seeing. That makes sense now. Thanks for the help.
What chip do you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by RobinL
If you have an e8400, you will need 1.4v VTT and 1.6v PLL.
At least mine did, also needed 1.5volts on the NB.
Also, set CPU GTL to 30mv, and NB GTL to 30mv. Set Mem controller to +30mv, and DDR channel I and channel II to DDR_REF.
Also, disable load line calibration, and set HTT voltage to 1.3v.
Does anyone use Ntune app?
Westside your setup is very close to mine, what are your settings and how fast have you got your 8400 ?
I run 450x9=4050mhz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Webrider
Once I set fsb higher than 1800 it takes a HUGE hit in mem performance.
I've ran my chip up to around 4.35 stable though.
I use the settings listed above.
Just to note, 45nm chips DO degrade, i used to run 450fsbx9 with 1.4vcore (actual much lower) but then i ran 1.575v trying to get 4.5ghz stable, and now i need 1.475vcore to run 450x9.
These chips are held back by the 780i chip.
Scores a lil bit low. But that could be Vista.Quote:
Originally Posted by asp6000
Knock your FSB back to an even 1800(450).
Once you pass 1800fsb, the mem controller goes to hell, and latency shoots up by about 30%.
So far there isn't a way to get around it.
Bench 450x9, and I bet your system will feel more responsive, and bench better than 452x9.
Also, see if you can set your TWTR to 8. This greatly improves mem copy performance. Going from auto to 8 gained me 600mb/s in copy speed. Also try to get TRC and TRFC to 26 and 32. Changing those three timings alone gained me 900mb/s copy at ddr1200 5-4-3-18.
Went from 8000mb/s to 8900mb/s. While read and write speed remained fairly the same.
EDIT:
Here is my best at 450x9.
My GT's were clocked at 700/1000
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=5230043
Thats alot of extra voltage.... I'd say test each out yourself carefully, theres a fairly big variance in these boards I guess. For 500x8 I only need 1.3v NB 1.3v VTT 1.3v CPU, everything else is stock. ( It's linpack 64 stable)Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Thanx for posting your settings, WeStSiDePLaYa.
I cannot run my E6600 higher than 3756 (417*9). Seems to be limited by heat output as Vcore=1.58250 is required to go higher. This again leads to temp>82 degress and throttling. Probably this chip has reached its limit - it has served well though for 1.5 years and perhaps degraded some even which could explain the massive voltage required to hit 3800.
Thinking to make the switch to 45nm, but so far unsure what chip would best complement the 780i chipset. Initially thinking to get the QX9650 as I thought an unlocked multiplier would fare well as FSB can be kept lower - as we know this chipset is severely limited by FSB wall.
Still - tried the Q6600 and couldnt go higher than 3200. Not sure if this would be the same with the Penryn quads though (quad limitation in general in combination with 780i?).
The alternative is E8400 which is due to arrive in about 1 week in my country. Any suggestions?
Also - anyone else running 3-sli here? Seems that there is some scaling issue currently in 3DMark06 as only additional 400 is gained going from 2 to 3-SLI.
Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Dude!!
I have OCZ FLEX XLC 1150 I was running @5-5-5-12 2T all subs [AUTO].
Dialed in your subs recommended above and -> 5-4-3-18.
Dude, you rock...
Passed memtest no probs, bandwidth (Sisoft) ~8700 -> ~9000
But system seems alot "snappier". I never had the patience to mess with the sub timings before. Tried these and they WORKED.
You da man...
alright I have a very stupid question. In AI boost you raise the cpu clock, that I understand, What is the cpu clock called in BIOS? spp<->mcpRefclock?
I tried raising the multiplier to 10 it won't take guess it's locked? E8400.
What do you mean entered a number into the CMOS?
H guys,
Could someone give me some info on getting my Quad to around 3.2Ghz using an 8x Multi? I don't want super high overclocks as i'll be picking up a Q9550 at some point. See system in sig. Thanks.
Erm my post seems to have gone to the start of the thread.
What exactly did you change?
alright I have a very stupid question. In AI boost you raise the cpu clock, that I understand, What is the cpu clock called in BIOS? spp<->mcpRefclock?
I tried raising the multiplier to 10 it won't take guess it's locked? E8400.
What do I raise in BIOS to act like the cpu clock in AI boost, is it the FSB speed 1333, does that back into the cpu clock speed?
OK, first overclocking is not complicated but you still have to do some reading on the subject; have you read some introductory guides? Here's a few good ones:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messagev...&enterthread=y
http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hardwa...beginners.html
http://forums.hexus.net/hexus-hardwa...s-p5k-add.html
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=115765
But anyways here's a quick guide to get you up and running. First of all you need to keep in mind:
CPU clock freq. = FSB (front side bus) x multiplier.
For all but the xtreme editions of C2D/C2Q, the multiplier is locked, usually above 9 (like with E8400), depending on the processor. This means that if you want to overclock the CPU freq., you need to raise the front side bus. E.g. for 3600MHz you want to raise FSB to 400 which gives 400*9=3600. Alternatively, you can use 450*8 but in general overclocking gets harder and harder the higher the FSB becomes (especially with the striker ii lol!). Hence, it is easier to OC extreme edition CPUs as you can keep the FSB lower and instead raise the multiplier above 9, but you also pay a massive price premium for this!
Actually, as the FSB for C2D/C2Q CPUs is "quad-pumped" (QDR), the actual front side bus clock in the BIOS is sometimes listed as 4*FSB i.e for FSB 400 you actually need to enter FSB (QDR) = 1600 MHz in the striker ii bios.
You do this under "extreme tweaker"; first set "ai overclock tuner" to manual. Then enter "FSB and memory config" and set the desired FSB (QDR).
For FSB (QDR) = 1333 as you mention, you get a CPU freq. of 3000MHz if you leave the multiplier alone (default=9). Get it?
You also have to set the memory clock, and i recommend if you are a beginner you set this independent from the FSB i.e. use "unlinked" then choose the native clock frequency of your memory, e.g. 1066MHz for DDR2-8500.
You can also set the memory timings (and also CPU multiplier) under "overclocking". Either set the default memory timings e.g. 5-5-5-12 (as listed by your memory manufacturer) or if you are unsure just set to "auto". As for the "command per clock" it's probably best to leave this one to auto. The advanced memory timings are better left alone except for advanced users...
There is more - much more! Hope this helps clarify things a little. Read through some of these guides then if you still have issues post them here. Good luck!
Thanks Polar Bear, Crystal clear, I was confused with the fsb (QDR) = 1333 which makes sense. CPU clock in AI bios is 333 = 333x4 = 1333fsb(QDR) or 333 x 9 for 3ghz cpu clock speed. You also explained why my multiplier is locked. I'm good to go now. I want a modest overclock where I don't have to do much with voltages. I will wait for a faster processor when the prices drop a bit. Thanks West side for the memory timings, they worked with no modifications to voltages necessary. Guess I could push them a bit since I am not going as high as you did with the frequency. The guides are a great help.
Great. I guess to reach 3000 you should be able to leave all voltage settings on auto. As you go higher you often have to bother with only Vcore and V_NB. I know that every chip is different, but I have my E6600 stable at 3600 (400*9) with all voltages to auto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Webrider
Does anyone know what the three on board temperature sensors,
2-pin opt_temp 1/2/3 are for?? what do they monitor??
The monitor anything you want. Because you hook up temp sensors to them, and then place them wherever.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuclearjock
anything between 1730 and 1803-ish and either i get no post or windows kernal start-up error.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by asp6000
I think it might be mem related then.
Since over 1800, the mem controlled really relaxes itself, and then that is why the big performance drop.
Maybe the mem controller can't handle 4gb well.
Have you tried just one 2gb stick? or 2x1gb sticks at 1800?
Memory controller handles 8GB just fine - 8GB Results - key is to run in sync mode, keep voltages under control, and do not go above 450FSB as stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
could any kentsfield quad users post their settings / voltages?
But unlike with the Maximus Extreme, the actual sensors are not supplied...Quote:
Originally Posted by nuclearjock
In my experience, the mem controller handles 4GB exceptionally poorly. I finally gave it up just to have more OC headroom. With 4GB I couldnt get much higher than 3.0 (1333QDR) with Q6600. As soon as I removed 2GB this issue resolved as well as frequent random BSODS etc. IMO 4GB is just not worth it with this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
I have a perplexing situation with this board.
I can do pretty much anythng I want unlinked up to 450 fsb, and 4.2 ghz, prime and orthos stable for > 1 hour.
However when I run 3DMark03 or flight simulator, I get random reboots, freezes, etc.
The only way I can get around this is to set fsb to stock (333) and use my multi's to get 3.8, 4.0, 4.2 etc. Bandwidth sucks @333 though.
Any Ideas??
Phew! Just back to 3-SLI after one of my dogs (XFX 8800GTX :) ) got damaged as I spilled a little H2O on it last time I tried to set up 3x GPUs in a WC circuit.
I just got a replacement card today after I had to RMA the broken one. Was real nervous as I set about to mod the system - and there I go breaking off two capacitators from one of my precioussss dogs in the process.....
Luckily the system booted with all three GPUs and I have just been able to enable 3-SLI. Trying to WC one GPU can be hard enough, but 3... dont even get me started... let's just say it's a messy process!
Just thinking... should I run the latest beta forceware driver (171.16) or 169.25? Any experiences anyone?
Rather quiet around the striker ii thread lately. Everyone busy gaming or have you guys given up on this board already?
I'm not ready to give up yet as I do quite like the board despite it's weaknesses - the biggest one IMO being the massive heat output of that pesky 780i chipset. Can't stand looking at that NB temp around 77-80 idle... surely it can't be good for stability. And thats with a modest 400FSB and 3x fans directly cooling the NB/mosfets - it's simply unbelievable how hot this chipset gets.
Also, 3-SLI can output some serious heat too, and as cool *looking* as the Zalman Reserator is, it's doing a rather poor job of trying to keep my dogs (xfx 8800gtx) cool. Hence, I am on the verge of doing a serious mod to my existing WC setup(s) - first the striker will get redone then the maximus will get a serious overhaul (EK and DangerDen have both released waterblocks for the 3870X2... :cool: )
So, I have found some waterblocks custom-built for the striker ii at mips - both NB, SB / PCI-E 2.0 chip as well as mosfets.
In my Tt Armor case I can fit one 3x120mm rad inside and I am also planning to attach another 3x120mm rad to the exterior.
I already have one swiftech pump (sig). It's certified for 1200LPH and 3.5 bar. Now, I am not at all sure if this pump will be sufficient if i decide to go for one loop i.e. CPU, chipset, GPUx3. Any thoughts on this? Will I require a separate pump and loop? Or maybe a total of 3 loops (i.e. one 3x120mm rad for each loop)? I dont care about noise anymore, I just want the most extreme cooling for all components. Space is a limiting factor though, as I dont think I will be able to fit more than 1 pump inside the case, and I have mixed feelings about keeping another pump at the desk outside the case.
Also, if i decide to go for multiple loops, I'm inclined to run the CPU as a separate loop, thus combining chipset+GPUs. It makes sense to me to do it this way to maximize the OC headroom for the CPU.
Looks like with the new setup I can safely retire the Reserator - or wait! Maybe instead of putting it away I might let it cool one of the mosfets :D just to keep it employed sort of... considering it's good looks after all. It will be much harder to retire the Reserator XT however as I've been very happy with this unit so far, but hey! That's what you get for hanging around these forums ;)
Note: I decided to open a new thread on this topic in the liquid cooling section: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=178534
Highest FSB on this board with air ??
busy gaming, I can't think of a better way to test stability.
I've been having a lot of crashes in 3D lately, both with SLI and non SLI. And regardless of if I increase volts, or decrease clocks.
Passes orthos no problem though.
Could be driver-related. I had lots of odd artifacts and also random lockups running games/3D applications with the 171.16_beta drivers - even with the Vista "energy" screensaver I got glitches. This all resolved when I rolled back to 169.25. Can you complete 3DMark?
Nope, not driver related. When I set fsb = 1333, all's good. Can up the multi's to whatever, and it's still good.Quote:
Originally Posted by polar bear
When I venture up the slightest bit in fsb, orthos/prime95 pass, 3D games and benchies freeze/crash/reboot.
WFT.
yeah,Quote:
Originally Posted by polar bear
and i was fine with the 171.16 for weeks, but then i try to hit 4.5ghz.
Then everything goes to :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
reflashed bios and everything.
The new DDR3 version of this board, Striker Extreme, seems very good , FUGGER is hitting 600+ MHz on FSB with Wolfdale.
Regards
Andy
Thats because it is not the same Mobo, it has a Totally new NB and SB (striker II has a New NB and Rev of old SB used since 570).
I would like to see all info on fuggers please. :)
It's in the 3dmark section under Kingpins thread!
I blew a memory module up a while ago and now got a replacement and before where I could do 480FSB now I am having problems anywhere from 400 to 450, depending on which way the winds blows to coin a phrase.
Not sure if I hit a perfect spot for voltages before or whether I have damaged the board when the ram module shorted. I'll have to go back to one stick and see what happens. It's definitely a FSB thing rather than memory speed though.
Frustrating.
Regards
Andy
I have tried 2 striker II so far.They were completly diferent boards :D
Is there anyone else whose striker doesn't gain bandwith in everest when changing trd :confused:
Yeah, there seems to be some bandwidth limits with this board. Where even frequency increase doesnt help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil The Greek
My write speed is always around 9590mb/s.
Even from 1100mhz at 5-5-5, to 1200mhz 5-4-3.
Once i cross 1800FSB though, it goes up to 10.2gb/s, even though mem is same speed.
BUT then latency shoots up 30%:mad:
My problem is that the previous striker II I had,had a big performance increase when changing trd.Setting from auto to 5 had readings from 9200MB/s to 11400MB/s.This one doesn' change anything.Flashed diferent bios but nothing:shrug:
Atm Im testing this board, haven't had lot of time but there are lots of memory performanceholes in the 450 - 490 region. beta 1001 ist quite buggy, what do you guys get if you set fsb in bios to 500MHz with bios 1001 (look also at mem freq ;))
Looking at BIOS 1001 versus 704 it's interesting to note what the default BIOS voltages are when first booting up
704 and 1001
NB voltage 1.23 v 1.44v
CPU PLL 1.52 v 1.60v
CPU VTT 1.10 v 1.42v
DDR2 term volt 0.94 v 1.15v
Is 1001 any better or have they just zero'd in the voltages?
I'm running 1.66v on the NB now to get 450. I used to be able to do 480 so I am not sure what is up.
Here's my rig
http://www.zen141854.zen.co.uk/7801.jpg
http://www.zen141854.zen.co.uk/7802.jpg
Even with the 7000rpm delta on the northbridge it is still warm.
I'm still not convinced that running out of sync and unlinked for massive memory clocks is the way to go when it comes to real world benches such as pifast or 3dmark 2001 lobby. What you gain in pure bandwidth you lose in latencies etc. That was the case with the 680i chipset anyway.
Regards
Andy
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuclearjock
I've just been having exactly the same problem, everytime I go into 3dmark2001 nature it locks or the screen corrupts. The other DX7games actually pass fine, but this DX8 game fails. WOuld do 450FSB for all the other tests but had to role it off to 400FSB to get it to pass.
This is the first time I have ever had the FSB effect 2001 nature like this, normally it is only the video card memory or gpu speed/temp. If anything high FSb would blow up lobby game.
To fix it I have defaulted the BIOS and simply upped the memory voltage and the cpu voltage, no more. Can you try the same on your machine and see what happens?
This is a tricky board to zero in and it is all down to the 780i chipset and what it likes ( very little ) and what it does not like (an awful lot). The actual board is great though.
Regards
Andy
Regards
Andy
Let me get this straight.Quote:
Originally Posted by zakelwe
You want me to set up an OC, and then auto all the voltages except Vcore and Vdimm??
If that's the request, I've already tried that to no avail.
If that's not the request, please be more specific..
Nuke
Quote:
Originally Posted by nuclearjock
Default the BIOS using the button. I assume you are using the latest BIOS which 1001 or such from memory.
Then set the memory voltage to whatever you had before, in my case 2.4v
Set the cpu to the voltage you use, in my case at the moment 1.5v for testing.
Do nothing else.
Does it still fail? In that case it is a different problem to mine.
Regards
Andy
Hi guys. New to this forums.. anybody here on a conroe? This is the best I do with this board:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=323772
http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/screenshot/323772.png
Ive tried 0101 and 0902. Both have the same outcome with the procie.
Processor may have a bad yield.. used it on a striker extreme before, and does not go pass 3.9Ghz.. Temps are a sound 35 on idle, 63 on load on that board. I get the same outcome with the Striker II Formula.. Can get a higher FSB on the board though.. Ive topped 475MHz FSB on it @ x6.
Imo, wasnt a good move to go Striker 2 Formula from Striker X. 3dmarks are better on it though.. about 200pts better. not worth it.
Also can I ask if anybody here knows where can I find the option in which I can enable hardware mode for the onboard NIC? I cant seem to find it in nVidia cp.. I had that option before when I was on a Striker X.. Im on XP SP2 btw, with current updates.
475MHz FSB is not bad on this board. IMO this board is mainly for 45nm support as there are not many other updates compared to Striker Extreme.
Btw... :welcome: to XS!
Thanks!
how bout the "NVIDIA TCP/IP Acceleration".. cant seem to find it anymore on nVidia CP.. Does striker 2 formula support it?
I have the same problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil The Greek
It seems like tRD does nothing.
Mobo rev 1.03G 902 bios.
Hey guys. I pointed this forum out to a guy having troubles, and here is his story. Maybe you can give some insights at what could be wrong.
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All games that I have installed (for example Supreme Commander, Company of Heroes OF, UT3, Bioshock...) crash after I have played 5-40 minutes. Windows doesn't give any reasons why this happens. I have tried the following to solve this, none of them have helped:
- I have updated my drivers
- I have checked if there was a BIOS update, there wasn't
- I have tried both XP Pro and Vista Ultimate (both 32bit), same problem occures in both
of them
- I have tried disabling SLI
- I have removed 2GB of my RAM (I have total of 4GB)
- I have tried completely different RAM
- I have tried to use only one graphics card ( I have done this with both cards)
- I unplugged my somehow broken sound card (Supreme FX II, it makes random noises)
because someone at the SLI Forum said that the sound card was the reason for crashing
- When I was using Vista I downloaded all the hotfixes for SLI
- I have run Memtest (although I know it's not the memory since I had the same problem
with completely different RAM)
- I got about 16200 points in the 3DMark06, which sounds about right
- I have run the NVIDIA stability test with no problems
- I have also tried to put my RAM to different slots on the MB
- I have formatted my PC and reinstalled XP (that's what I'm currently using)
My temps are under load (these are only estimates): MB: 40-45C, CPU 35-45C, GPU1:65C and GPU2: 60C
I haven't overclocked anything and I haven't changed the BIOS settings (except the usual ones such as time, boot order and so on).
My little head can't figure out any other reason than a faulty motherboard. Is there any other thing that could cause this?
My current configuration:
QX9650 + Zalman CNPS9700-cooler
ASUS Striker II Formula
2x EVGA 8800GTS G92 in SLI
4GB G.Skill DDR2 800MHz 4-4-4-12
Thermaltake ToughPower 1000W PSU
2x WD Raptor 150GB + WD Caviar 500GB (no RAID)
Can you describe the crash? Is it crash to desktop? BSOD? Hang?
Are 3D games the only source of instability?
Will the system run a multi-hour stress test, like orthos or P95?
It crashes to desktop and gives no reason. Apparently it has given bluescreen when surfing around in windows multiple times too, but no bluescreens in games just a crash to desktop. I'll tell him to test out orthos.Quote:
Originally Posted by coo-coo-clocker
i had a problem just like this a few years back. turned out to be another peice of software causing the problem. alienware autopsy i think it was some system monitoring software that shipped with the laptop. i uninstalled it and the problem went away. so it sounds as if it could be software related. just a thought.
NAM causes lots of similar problems.
Also it sounds like an overheat problem.
Vista memtest is better to check hardware stability and bios settings.
I mean you may quickly check, with two passes, whether you need more volts or not.
Suggestions. 1.42v-1.44v NB and 2.1v-2.2v vdimm @900MHz FSB 1350.
I'd check the RAM, set it to default speed and if it still does the same then use one stick at a time to see if one has a problem.
I'd set the FSB to default as well if i is not already at it.
Regards
Andy
My Striker Extreme is back on the oh-so-fun CPU INIT antics again so I'm looking at this board, though I have some questions.
First I have the 4 block EK Striker Extreme Kit, will any of those fit, or do I have to drop for more blocks. Second, my Corsair DDR2 6400c4d 4-4-4-12 never worked properly on the first Striker, does this board have any known issues with it?
NB and that bridge chip will surely not fit, EK made a new block for that have a look at their site...
It doesn't say under any of their blocks if it fit's it or not:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
Then the real question remains is if this dominator ram is going to work with it.
Well folks - I've read through the whole thread, and I'm now caught up. WeStSiDePLaYa, I feel I know you pretty well now, haha. I've gleamed a lot of OC ranges, taken in a lot of good info (and I thank you all) and plan on starting my own OC endeavor soon. For now, tho, I have something to contribute.
Some of you will say "WTF" to this setup, and others will treasure every last scrap of data I'm about to offer here. Specifically, while you guys were testing the OC limits, I've been hammering the RAID controller on the 780i Striker board. I'll get right to it.
I'm greedy - not only do I want a triple-SLI and a decently OC'd quad, but I wanted to drastically increase my hard drive performance (game load times). So, I opted for a 6-drive RAID-0. Don't start a preaching session about the dangers of RAID-0 (seriously, XtremeSystems is not a place for conservatives). My ultimate goal: Find the absolute best stripe, cluster and settings for the fastest overall RAID-0 setup on the Striker II.
My test setup:
- 6 x Western Digital SE16 320gb (RAID-0)
- ATTO, Length=4mb Size=1024kb
- HDTach, short bench
- 15gb partition (edge of disk)
- Sector hex edit (start on sector 3072 instead of 63. More on this later)
- 8, 16, 32, 64, 128k RAID stripe size tests
- 4, 16, 32, 64k windows file allocation/format size (aka cluster) tests
Findings:
Attachment 73551
You can see that if You're up for 128k stripe and 64k cluster, you can achieve 1gb per sec read speeds when accessing files over 1mb in size! Even higher with one more tweak (more below).
If you look closely at the same 128k+64k table, tho, you'll see horrible read speeds with files under 128kb in size. Which is understandable; the read/write duration is pretty long at 128k+64k, so there is a lot of wasted effort from the drives on small files at these settings.
So, how to determine the best balance? I scoured a windows install, complete with games, to get a sense of how big and how many files we load on average. I decided to take the following sample file numbers, and create a read/write time simulator:
20,000 x 4kb files
5,000 x 16kb files
10,000 x 128kb files
4,500 x 1mb files
Basically, the time simulator would estimate how long it would take to read that many files of each file range, add them up, and point out the quickest one on average.
Time simulator matrix:
Attachment 73552
Results (lower is better):
Attachment 73553
Suggestions:
A. Your time is spent on your comp playing a handful of specific games. You do not use your machine for work, video digitizing, processing large quantities of files. Suggested settings on 6-drive array: 64k stripe, 32k cluster. Parition your C: separately at 4k cluster.
B. Or, you want to maintain a balance of read and writes (you like to use your comp for things other than games, and/or you cycle your games often, trying new things). Suggested settings: 32k stripe, 32k cluster.
C. Or, you want to keep your games on the same parititon as your Windows install, and have balanced read/writes. Suggested settings: 32k stripe, 4k cluster.
D. You do like to play games, but you'd rather tweak the speed to its maximum processing of large files (moving TV shows around, editing, capturing video, etc.. anything with large amounts of large files, especially swap files). Consider 64k stripe, 64k cluster. But emphasis on capturing (writing) will actually benefit from 64k stripe 32k cluster better.
Limitations to consider before starting:
1) Windows XP will only allow you 'install' on a 4k cluster format (I even tried Acronis image restore, can't get it to boot). So you may wish to do 32k/4k for a C: partition, and a 32k/32k for the remainder, and install your games on the second partition.
2) Do not use drives larger than 320gb, or you will end up hitting the 32-bit drive space addressing problem that limits you to 2tb.
3) Your first partition will be the fastest (closest to edge of disk), so if you were really anal, you should create a parition for your games, and THEN your C: parition.
Other Interesting Notes and Enhancements:
1) 3072 sector hack. I'll give the short version, and then if anyone's interested, I can walk you through it. I found that Windows' (XP and older only) first partition starts at sector 63, and I had read that it is incredibly crappy for RAID (any kind) performance. This is due to the fact that when data is writing to the drives, the write durations can never be fully synchronized across all the drives; your comp will always write in 4k chunks (for example) so it will often have to pick up the head and move to another location to finish writing the file, on at least the first drive. You can manually adjust a newly created partition to start at a multiple of your stripe size x width, and the performance increases no less than 12% avg. Inquire if interested!
2) Disabling NCQ. I was surprised to find that this helped increase average speeds up to 9%. Once you've installed your OS, go under your device settings, select each of the three nVidia RAID controllers (Port 0 & 1 tabs) and uncheck the "Enable command queuing". Click "no" to the restart option, until you're done your last.
3) Contrary to what you might read out there on the subject, disabling your Write Cache WILL cripple your drive speeds.
4) My particular time simulator is bias towards equal read and writes. You may find your usage warrants more emphasis on reads than writes. If you would like, I can send you the time simulator spreadsheet, and you can edit the number of files in the simulator.
Attachment 73554
-Wiinter
Rig:
Asus Striker II Formula 780i
Intel Q6600 Kentsfield
2 x 1gb Crucial Ballistix PC8500
2 x XFX 8800GTX SLI
6 x Western Digital SE16 320gb (RAID-0)
(4tb alternate storage & backup)
Silverstone Olympia OP1200 (1200w single rail)
WTB one used XFX 8800GTX (575mhz)
Great post Wiinter.
You might even want to copy that into a new thread, as it will apply to all 780i boards, and could really help some people.
What is your NB and SB volts, and what kind of temps do they see.
It will be interesting to see how much volts your nb will need with all that stress. I find mine needs quite a bit with only regular SLI.
:welcome: to XS
Wow, thats alot of data, must have taken a great deal of time. If also vote for a separate thread on this. Just came home from work and will need to take some time to digest all this - but great work.
NEW OFFICIAL BIOS RELEASED
http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/...la/S2F1001.zip
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D
i gained 100 points or so with the official 1001 bios, compared to the beta 1001 beta.
So far seems good, seems to have more accurate voltages.
100 points from where??Quote:
Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa
prolly on top of his previous 3dmark result...
haha, sorry, was a bit late when i posted that.Quote:
Originally Posted by nuclearjock
My 3dmark06 score.
Compare CRC check.
Beta is exactly the same with final 1001 BIOS.
WeStSiDePLaYa, ya I never thought the SB temps might go up under high load from the SATA controller - I'll test that out. BTW, what can I use to view the temps while in Windows? Or does everyone just watch the bios monitor?
Try Everest Home or even the Asus probe The latter is on the cd of ya mobo
Everest aux sensor reading is actually the CPU temp.
Core1 core2 are OK.
Any way to get NB SB temps with any program?
I use an extra sensor on opt1 and I know the difference from the actual NB temp.
But I can only get this reading from PC probe, not everest.
Everest doesn't support this mobo.
Oh, I have been using PC Probe - up until I had adjusted some of the voltages, and now the app won't run (error when launching). I just thought there was some better, more thorough tool. I'll try Everest.
I use probe but don't see the NB or SB temps. I asked this question in the aircooling forum and was informed evefest ultimate can show the NB temp but now here it is posted everest does no support this board. I find it a PITA to hafta go into the BIOS to read this data
Try Everest Ultimate. I really recommend this program. It can monitor most things if not everything that you also find in BIOS - actually more come to think of it. It can also log temps/voltages in a graph and has a decent system stability test too.
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5996/everestrn1.jpg