this is more of a 3850 x2 the 3870xt should have ddr4
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this is more of a 3850 x2 the 3870xt should have ddr4
What about the core and memclocks, the number of shaders per core, etc?Quote:
Originally Posted by zanzabar
Besides that, good thinking.
the cores on teh 3850 and 70 are identical one just gets 1.1V and one gets 1.3V the big difference is in the memory
Do we actually know how ATI (or AMD, whatever) decides that this core will be a 3850 and that core a 3870? Is it about yields? Because my guess is that if you overvolt your 3850 core tot 3870 voltages, you can easily "overclock" up to 3870 standards and way beyond. Am I right?
3850 is a single slot cooler, so not really. getting past 3870 clocks is a struggle regardless afaik.
If I wanted a new card here and now it'd be between 3870 x2 and regular 3870Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
What is so special with it? G80 - very successful chip, vs. R600 - Delayed + complete :banana::banana::banana::banana:. What can you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
Same goes with Radeon 9k series vs. GeForce 5k series. Or Athlon64 vs. Netburst. Or even C2D vs. Phenom. They ALL have the same "structure", which is being: failed product vs. successful product.
What about when there is good/succesful vs. good/succesful?
we had that with 7900 series vs x1900 series or at least it was "succesful vs good and succesful" ;)
we also had the battle between 6800GT/U and X850XT-PE... :)
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/127...ion/index.html
Overclocked MSI tested with a Asus Blitz Extreme P35-board.
U guys know what i find so funny and don't get with all this hype for this card.:confused:
1. the GTX/Ultra is what 1yr and what some 4 months old:yepp:
2. it took AMD/ATI 2-3 gen of card to finally compete with nvidia:yepp:
3. look at the marginal performance gain in most games that with persons using a 1280x1024 res would notice.:yepp:
4. and last but not least i'm definitely buying nvidia's G100 when ever it comes out cuze this card migh be the card to hold of ATI Till 2-3yrs time :up: I'm happy with my gts g92.
PERSONS WITH GTX STILL R PLEASED WITH THEIR PERFORMANCES!!!!
ATI c'mon when will u learn or at least get some good engineers and better driver support!!! :shakes:
I mean i thought this review would make persons sorry the day they bout a gtx after seeing this review now a year later!!
If you want to play at 1280*1024 go buy HD 3870 ou 8800GT.
Nvidia G100? That´s not even known nothing about. We only know about 9800GX2 to launch in 3 weeks-1 month.
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Originally Posted by dejavuxx
do you;
a) know what your talking about?
b) live in a house with the nvidia logo on your door?
they practically nowhere managed to get real CF improvements and also every benchmark looks like its cpu-limited.
For example look at the small gains from 1920*1200 to 1280*1024.
But then, cpu limited with 3ghz c2q makes no sense at all.
waiting for HD3870X2 CF review ;)
dude, they had multi core GPUs in 2000... 4 pipes = 4 coresQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
they're trying to split it into fewer smaller dies for the sake of yields. We'll be nearing 2 BILLION transistors within a fairly short amount of time and it's hard to get that onto one die.
it seems that the only problem are drivers as usual....I really hope ati gets that CF compatibilty issue cause a lot of games only use 1 core of the card
lololololol :D :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
We need to pass 1billion first for GPUs :DQuote:
Originally Posted by xlink
whoever the nvidiot was above.........do me a favor and get back to me in a 1-2 years and tell me if your card still works...........
One major reason I will not buy nvidia........cards die.......I have yet to lose an ati card...even when insanely volted and Oc'ed.....I still have my 9800pro 128 and a 256 model.....O and the 256 model has more voltmods than you can shake a stick at.
x1800xt still works...........x1900xt still works.......both are flashed xtx......
buddies 7900gtx? = dead.....never oced..........
my mx 400 = dead
My ti 4200 = dead
my ti 4400 = dead
my ti 4600 = dead
my fx 5600 = dead
my fx 5700U = dead
Fx 5950U DOA sent it back grabbed a 9800 pro, tossed on an artic cooling heatsink, gave it insane volts + flashed bios........never looked back....
Geez it almost looks like theres a pattern there...............
There is always the 8900GX2 or (on 9800 which its not..)...Quote:
Originally Posted by nr2134
Radeon display driver 8.45 v1.3 will improve performance and compatibility on the Radeon HD 3870 X2 over the current 8.45 v1.0 driver. The current set of driver is facing performance issues with games right now so benchmarks on this set of drivers are not reflective on the actual gaming performance yet.
the drivers have been holding back the launch of the 3870 X2 for quite some time, the v1.3 will still be beta and the real performance will be gained by 8.5. owners of the card will be able to get the drivers from the ATI website.The new set of driver will be out before 28th January according to AMD.
like always i was right - Launch of X2 is postponed because bad drivers performance ...
Your argument means nothing, my 9700pro=dead X850XT=dead. All cards will eventually die and no brand has the market cornered on longevity.Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Beside, why would you care about the opinion of someone making high end arguments, who still thinks 1280x1024 is still an acceptable resolution to play on a $300+ card.
My GF2 MX200 still works.... my Radeon 7000 and like 10-12 3D Rage IIs still work... :shrug:
gf4mx died when put it in the wrong voltage AGP Slot....does that count ? :D
I put my GF2 MX in the wrong AGP slot too and the card survived, the mobo survived too... the CPU (PII) was gushing smoke out the side before i pulled the plug.... :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by realsmasher
AMEN ! Its clear crysis is bugging the ATi cards from Day One. But i'm hearing rumors that ATi also pushed back launch do to a new driver that would boost crysis performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Power5
And so what Crysis is not the best game ever :confused: I played for 30 min and i had enough of it. It might have the best pictures but it does not have the best engine. Engine like COD4 and UT3 also have produce nice pictures but they performance nice with high FPS. Crysis alway's had low FPS.
BTW i have a 8800 GT at the moment. But considering to buy a HD3870 X2. I think some people just cant have it that ATi is back on top and that they payed to mush for there Ultra. I bet that if the 9800 GX2 come they like it a lot.
Lot of games have Nvidia logo and they performs like crap on Nvidia hardwares, and Half Life 2 has ATI logo but Nvidia cards have been the better performers.
Sure the 3870X2 may be the fastest card right now on older games, but with new games people are gonna have to wait for drivers optimized for crossfire which could take a couple of months to get it right. I would rather sit back and happy with my 8800GT and wait for the true next gen card since I can comfortably play games at my native res with it.
I'm really, really happy to see these multiGPU's are finally true! Crossfire and SLI will get nice boosts hopefully a lot faster than we've seen in the past, when new games are released. Really, can't wait.
People with one card can finally see, how big boost SLI and CF could give. Many of us have been played exactly like 3870x2 performing card since 2900XT launch (2900XT CF ~ 3870x2 performance). Now when thinking back, 2900XT crossfired wasn't really a bad investment comparing to 8800Ultra as you got about 30% improvement almost at the same price (depending a game of course.
Some may think 3870x2 is old technology, but I think it's best thing happened in a long time. Like Core2 Duo when they came. Hopefully 9800GX2 will be bugfree and support as many games as 3870x2. It will be great news for us who owns old technology -SLI or Crossfire.
I think it's more that Crysis is the only title out there right now that can't be maxed. Apart from something like Flight Sim, I can't think of a game that really can't be maxed at a good resolution with a $200-$300card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Astennu
So in other words, for many people playing at 20-22" resolutions, why would we get excited if this card doesn't excel in Crysis? It's the only game we're looking for an improvement in.
So yes, if something like the 9800 GX2 comes along and crushes Crysis, then people probably will like it a lot.
I don't want a card that has to support games, because there are tons of them, and I want all of them "supported". Some of them won't be supported, because driver teams suck. That's the problem of SLI/CF. The lack of global compatibility. And this card is nothing new in that aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by L7R
:rotf: You are hilarious!Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
hey what i'm sayin to u ati fanboys is this the g100 is the next rumored nvidia highend card and i'm quite pleased to wait for it than to buy this sucker card (my opinion) it took them too long to even put up a good competition to a year and od old card. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by v_rr
a) yes i know what im talkin about i might not be an extreme cruncher and i'm no newbieQuote:
Originally Posted by Origin_Unknown
b) no i'm not a nvidia fanboy but i know value for money. u guys know 1280x1024 is what most gamers use unless ur a hardcore gamer!
isnt the g100 a dual 8800gt? making that a sucker card in your logic?Quote:
Originally Posted by dejavuxx
:rofl: :ROTF: i still remember your Phenom launch date predictions, has trans am said, hilarious...Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
I was reading these review threads the other day and then I finally took a look at Crysis just to see what all you guys are talking about... I went into town and rented an hour on an 8800GT SLI rig at the local cafe... no offense to any anyone (truly, this isn't back handed) it looks visually amazing - I mean superb. The game didn't draw me in at all however, just seemed... well it wasn't for me. If that's what everyone is throwing hardware at I have to wonder why. COD 4 seemed like a lot of fun, I could get hooked on that easy if I let it happen. I watched some other guy playing Crysis for another hour while I had coffee and I asked him if he liked the game and he said he was thinking about buy a gaming rig JUST FOR THIS GAME. That's a lot of bread to play one game.
I'll go check out the gameplay threads on Crysis and see if I missed the point of the game.
But me aside it seems the game is single handedly driving hardware sales for gaming PC's. If the SLI on a card does it for Crysis, it's going to sell by the truckfull and put a hurting on potential 3870x2 sales unless they match it performance wise for this game. I mean it's all anyone is talking about so you have to assume it's at least potentially a primary motivator.
It's not a case of fan(ism) it's just what people want to do and they'll buy hardware that does it well. It doesn't matter what makes sense.
Umm... last time I checked, two 3870s were around 550 to 600 bucks.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
if this costs 450 bucks...... how is buying two cheaper....
http://www.ncixus.com/products/27774...512H/Gigabyte/
2x $214 = 428 for 3870 cf
You should check more often :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
That's true, but you need to factor in the motherboard cost as well. An 3870X2 on a P35 board like the ASUS P5K is cheaper than 2 3870s on a X38 board like the P5E or the P35 based Blitz Formula.Quote:
Originally Posted by bill_d
[First Look] ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2 Part2:
http://www.tomshardware.tw/351,news-351.html
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3DMark 06 1024x768: no AA
3DMark Score 17267
Crysis V1.1
GPU TEST: 1024x768 noAA/AF Very High 20.70
1280x1024 noAA/AF Very High 16.28
another Mini- review home made , with the cat 8..1 ( HD3870X2 Oficial driver maybe next moday )
regardsQuote:
1280x1024
http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/397...8180883_rs.jpg
1920x1200
http://aycu24.webshots.com/image/406...4450195_rs.jpg
1920x1200 4xAA 16xAF:
http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/409...7159714_rs.jpg
1920x1200 8xAA 16xAF:
http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/423...1871787_rs.jpg
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/...95204#29495204
That was like no drop in FPS at all with 4xAA -> 8xAA for HL2
ahh i was wondering about that wonder if crossfirex will be enabled in that driver to use 2 cards or moreQuote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
Would this card be worth it for me?
I never play above 1280x1024 (99% 800x600), i never play with AA/AF on, I'm more of a need 100fps guy as opposed to gfx..
Is it worth getting this or waiting for R700/G100 or whatever? I'll be completely upgrading next month, doubt i'll get a SLI motherboard so i'll lose one of my 7900GTX's is the problem.
I just noticed that 1280x1024 -> 1920 x 1200 for the 3dM06 had barley any drop... is this thing CPU limited even at 3.4Ghz??
@ zerazax :
hl2 has cpu-limit. you can get nearly same fps with single card.
06 score is quite interessting.
Damn.. We need Q9450's and Q9550's @ 4Ghz, to unleash the power of these cards :|.
Don't worry, Shintai just hates AMD. I don't think theres been a thread where this character hasn't crapped all over AMD's products, no matter how good they may be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace123
Heheh Chew I will buy your Nvidia cards ( as I didn't have one dead one yet besides one 7900GT KO that gave artifacts , though I pushed it pretty far...) and you buy me the ATI cards I want as I toasted several ( non Oc'ed and on stock cooler ) Chew we got a deal sir ? :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I really hope these dual GPU vidcards get better driver support than what I had in the 7950X2 days, some games ran pretty slow some flew... to me it's new hardware, but it seems like a blast from the past...
C'mon lads give us some blistering drivers and make those game programmers to enhance crossifre and SLI support in their games...
I think all will depend on the retail street price of these cards if they will be popular or not... and I'm pretty sure they will shine with a beefy CPU and at high resolutions.... if we get a good catalyst release...
or 2 3870 and a mars board, i'm pretty sure that works :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Scimitar
another review
>> http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl...6/266637.shtml
there´s already 7 (seven) threads about HD3870X2 , please any admin or Mod can merge all the HD3870X2 threads???
regards
Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
quite a good idea.
F.E.A.R results at 1920x1200
When the game is optimized the X2 appears to shine
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../000551293.gif
However, the rest appear to be driver related issues. I also assume that GDDR4 from CF is also contributing to better performance.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../000551295.png
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../000551297.png
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../000551298.png
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1.../000551299.png
Testbed
Maybe that explains the delay in releasing early? I read somewhere ATI is reworking the drivers.
And it's done on an unknown OS: "Windows vista Unimate"... :p:
Yes, the new drivers are supposedly giving pretty significant boosts to performance as rumored by a lot of reviewers, hence the release date + nda were pushed back to original
"a lot of reviewers" ? Where are "the lot" that can know anything about the new drivers in the making? :confused: And is one week enough time for the new Catalyst to be ready?
i also heard new catalyst next week
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Originally Posted by Unbornchild
i think they are working on them almost for 1 month , the catalyst 8.1 BETA was released 31th December , next moday is already 28th (almost 1 month since last catalyst Beta)
of course next catalyst 8.2 its not a 100% driver , but a lot of Bugs with Cat 8.1 + HD3870X2 maybe solved in Cat 8.2 ....
let´s wait and see
next week i also will receive a Powercolor HD3870X2 to test!
regards
With all of these SLI and dual chip cards the former 3dfx people are probably laughing their asses off... they were ahead of their time... :)
Of course, you're right Mascaras. Already the 28th next monday, oh how time flies.
No. A single fast GPU would be more than enough for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by fiskov
anyone run test with pcie 1.1? I dont have a 2.0 board yet. I would think these wouldnt bottleneck on standard pcie lanes.