ahhhh always first out of the blocks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
ahhhh always first out of the blocks :DQuote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
Retail OEM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
First results..........not good :(
evga 680i A1 with P31 BIOS
OEM QX9650
System posts. Chip IDs in BIOS fine. FSB and Multiplier report wrong.
System immediately BSODs loading windows at BIOS defaults.
Manually adjust EIST and voltages do not help.
Disabling core 3 & 4 allows Windows XP to load. That's how I'm posting now.
Still trying more options....
hmmm. not what I wanted to hear. did you try to disable EIST?Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
As for all the stir this topic created. It has to be expected, no matter how it was stated, the topic itself was sure to get quite a few people riled up. That a good thing I guess, since it is XTREMEsystems. ;) That's not to say I don't think people have problems with their "inflection" when they reply to sensitive topics. I'll expect this topic to continue to cause problems until the issue is resolved all together.
The negative responses is towards nvidia and their boards partners, who still claim up coming bios support for multicore 45nm processors on their i680/i650 boards and have done for many months now.
If they can't get a yorkfield to run on these boards (when clearly they had months to carefully experiment with this) then this would certainly be my last nvidia based motherboard!
Ahhhhh...that's better!
But it's not what you think ;)
My QX6850 is again nestled under my block and I'm ready to continue on playing Crysis and COD4 :)
Nvidia has some SERIOUS work to do. Its far more than getting the multipliers working. 4 cores never made it into Windows. 3 cores could get there, but crash soon after. 2 cores was stable under load...as was 1 core.
Below is the best I can do....just 2 cores:
EIST enabled or not didn't help.....just as ineffective as the other CPU related BIOS settings. I tried em all.
I know I'll get flamed for this, but I'll dump this QX9650 before I dump my 2 gfx cards and a mobo. I hope Nvidia works this out...but I'm guessing the best they will come up with is some margin of improved stability. I'm thinking they'll never really get it humming for nice overclocks. Maybe I'm wrong though...I hope.
Anywho...keep an eye on the For Sale section if Nvidia can't come up with a good fix;)
W/ Crysis out and lots of us jonesin' for Very High RIGHT NOW...SLI's the only place to be. :(
Dino, while im keen to see your results, i dont think it'll serve this threads purpose because your current chip is an ESQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
hmm ok so would it make any difference???Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
yes, the thread is about the fact that retail QX9650 wont work (or currently doesnt anyway ;))
Sorry about your troubles. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
There is a difference between how the retails and ESes are handled. (In fact, some of the latest ESes act like retails AFAIK) ESes should be stuck at 6x, the cause is something beyond EIST.
What board revision you got? C00 or D00?Quote:
Originally Posted by mdzcpa
(it is written on the board itself)
I actually thought about this guys,at first I was really upset because I had a asus striker and paid alot for it.After thinking about it its not Nvidea's or intels fault.The new intel chips are made to run at 1333fsb and even on the intel's docs they do not state they will work on the older chipsets.
Now nividea can be holding the bios back since they want to sell new chipsets or they are just horrible unstable with the current chipset.
I think it will come down to the mother board maker to put out a bios that actually works.
Intel would shoot themselves if they said these will run on the 680 because all makers would build pcs with them.From what I have seen they aint stable.
How bad would intel look if the masses bought 4gig quad core 680 rigs and none of them were stable.INtel never stated that 680 is supported,we are just lucky it boots up.
Will these run in a Asus P5K Premium?
Without having actually tested it, i would say yes - but ensure you've the latest BIOS
how do you know thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
are you testing them
just interesting info and haven't seen anyone report on it
Thank you...Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
Hey Mike??:D Oh Mike?:wave:
ACK! I just DID do that exact thing :mad: !Quote:
Originally Posted by S1mon-
My QX9650 is working on Striker too, but i can use only multi 6x, nothing more ... but no bsod, no crashes, everything is normal ...but lower frequency ...
Is it an ES or retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
My QX9650 won't post at all, so I emailed EVGA about a beta bios:
Thank you for contacting the EVGA Customer Service Team.
My name is Christian Burns and I will be answering your question today. Please do not reply to this email, submit any follow up questions here
Question (11/14/2007 12:54:23 PM): I have a retail QX9650, if you have a beta bios to run this CPU, I would be willing to try it, and provide feedback. I am currently running P31, and it will not post with this CPU, I get "--" on the LED panel.
Answered By Christian B (11/15/2007 3:21:19 PM): Mike, For the moment, any 45nm CPU's are not compatible with the 680i SLI motherboard. Once we find if this is a simple BIOS update then we will post it on our forums and download drivers page. EVGA Tech Support
Ha. In other words, "F-U. We know it doesn't work and I'm sure you'll find out if we fix it. You're on your own, sucka'."Quote:
Originally Posted by GunslingerOCS
Well, someone screwed up. I almost ordered a new board, but I'm not sure what I want to do with my GPU situation yet. This sucks!
A lot of people writes that this is intels way of responding to nvidia for not letting intel getting the sli license on intel chipset. And a lot of them are saying that this right thing for intel to do, what? Sli is nvidias thing,gimick or what ever. If they license it to intel what will they have left then? I really hope that this is just an error of some kind, that intel/nvidia has not forsawn(sp) and that they are working on a resolution. Cus if intel plays crooks again like in the past then they are just a piece of trash-company. (I say, if) if intel wants sli then i guess that intel has to produce cpus with a nvida logo so that it will be all and well... hehe
I dunno what voodoo you guys are working to get these things posting. I sure as hell can't get it (qx9650) to post on my dfi 680i LT.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out now that there is manufacturer confirmation that the issue exists. And with that confirmation it's time that a couple of people give Hipro the respect he deserves and apologize.
FYI, i just called EVGA germany and they told me they KNOW that there are problems with Yorkfield and 680i mobos. P31 is NOT the bios that will solve all the problems, a NEW bios will come out beginning of december that will solve all problems.
So don't psyche, nvidia will not let you in the cold ;)
there is no lack of respect for Hipro and I'm sure he knows that. It was just a little fatalistic to say it the way he did. I'm sure he's seen worse than this thread. I will say though, his title did catch my attention and I knew right away I needed to keep an eye on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praz
I still don't believe it's an Intel/nVidia feude. Just par for the course when it comes to nVidia.
they are all working on the bios including DFI ;) but it will take time unfortunately so that's the bottom lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Kampfzerstorer
that survey is flawed it doesnt detect i have sli, i wonder how many others it didnt see.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
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Originally Posted by hipro5
WR already broken in 01 with a Yorkfield QX9650 and "next generation" NVIDIA SLI platform ;) On DRY ICE!
More coming soon I guarantee...
o noes! it looks like it's bad news for nVidia! :ROTF:
I knew it was just a matter of time.
Is it from the eVGA event?Quote:
Originally Posted by froste
Yes, at Geforce LAN 4 EVGA booth.Quote:
Originally Posted by S1mon-
CPU was running at almost 5.3 (dICE) :yepp:
Yeah, doesn't make sense for nVidia's 780i to not support Yorkfield. I have great reservations that Intel would cook this up just to get back at nVidia and completely alienate a subset of its customers.
680i may be different, but it claims on eVGA's site that the 680i boards WILL support 45nm CPUs with a BIOS update, but obviously the BIOS update to ACTUALLY support the CPUs is forthcoming, not here.
Vince ownz. Brand new board, just dry ice, and all it takes is part of a weekend for 01 (and I'm assuming 06 is coming up soon) to get flatlined. :woot:Quote:
Originally Posted by froste
that board looks very familiar :D
sooooo did anyone see how he ran his '01 order :D :ROTF:
Fellas.....Take in consideration that I'm not Intel or NVIDIA as I wrote you.....
They do what they have to do and I don't care.....
I only report what I have seen till now and what I was told by ppl working IN the "industry"....
IF NVIDIA solves the problem with the York and the i680 chipset (for example), I - firstly - will be more than happy..... ;)
IF they don't, I have to buy a new SLI mobo to bench..... :(
Maybe they want to "play it" as Intel does.......Making NEWER chipset so to support the new York and we will buy it for playing SLI.....by telling everybody that i680 will not support it coz bla, bla, bla......
It's all about money as my friend Gorillakos says.... ;)
EDIT: Hmmm I see Vince is benching...... :D
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go vince go :D
too bad they didnt spill some black paint on that board, the green looks kinda weird with everything else black :D
When we tested the EVGA 680i last weekend with a beta BIOS directly from a EVGA engineer, the QX9650 was detected with a multi of 6. With speedstep enabled, CPU-Z displayed the multi that wsa set in BIOS and I can assure you the CPU was running at the right speed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
But that was a ES CPU and not a retail one.
Fr3eak - the same situation is on Striker, but i said it before - this is BS, nForce680+780 fully support Yorkies ... but we have here some inter-company battle i suppose ...
Intel want to selll many X38(crappy X48) mobos, not even CPUs ...
Quite a nice move for Ati that Intel just made :clap:
Did someone in Nvidia piss an Intel guy off?
;)
Looks good cant wait to see more pics and screenshots
I had a chance to speak with one of the Nvidia engineers this weekend and I was told exactly what the problem is with 680i problem running Yorkfield, I will ask for an official written response, plausible and understandable.
One would assume they are dedicating all resources to to get the 780i out by Christmas but there is an obvious problem with early operation on 680i.
hmm, so is nvidia going to give us all new boards, and asus and the like, cause I ahve 2 boards that say 45nm readyQuote:
Originally Posted by FUGGER
I'll take a second board. Even though this one so far is fine... I did want Q9450...
according to my sig it's time to forget Yorkfield :D
The overall 3DMark06 scores show the Phenom is more positive light than they should because of the different graphics cards at work on the two testing setups -- remember the Phenoms were running dual Radeon HD 3850 cards while the Intel Core 2 and AMD Athlon CPUs were running a single 8800 GTX card. The CPU tests aren't affected though and once again the Phenoms split the pack of existing dual- and quad-core CPUs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardyMan
If I need a new board,Im not buying an nvidia chepset any more.My intel 975x dfi board did circles around my asus striker extreme.It also had cheap heats sinks on it and if it had the stuff the striker has it would of embassed it even more.
I'm sticking with intel chipsets from now on and from everything I have seen,they are way more stable than any others.
read this nvidida you can take your 370-410 fsb hole chipset and stick it up your ass,I can't believe Ipaid 350 for this board,thats almost enought to get a am2 board,chipand some ram from the other side.
Yeah, if nvidia lies to me about 45nm support, i f*ck for SLI and will buy X38+ only One GFX ... nvidia no more ...
relax.... Asus P5N32-E-SLi has official 45nm CPU support on theyr website
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...59&modelmenu=1
That means very little ATM until we see a bios that is verified fully working with retails Yorkfield chips, even my Asus P5N-E SLI board supports 'Intel® next generation 45nm Multi-core CPU' ;)
Not a single P5N***** i680/i650 board on the list yet:
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/c...Language=en-us
if my nF680 will not support Yorkfields i will send it back to Asus with BIG BANG!
I doubt 680i will support Yorkfield at this point :(Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
My last nVidia board. Intel/AMD boards or nothing from now on...
I'm on 650i and it would better support Yorkfield if not good bye Nvidia,I will never buy nvidia chipset again they are too hot anyway.
Considering the nForce 680i was released in Novemeber of 06 and it supports at least 45nm dual cores (Wolfsdale) is pretty good I think. The first Intel platform to officially support any 45nm CPU's is P35 which was released in June 07, 6 months after the 680i.
It's far from good enough, the Intel chipsets are always superior in performance and more stable than the nVidia versions.
Intel chipset revisions sometimes yield significant performance gains, sometimes not but the nVidia boards are merely just rehashes of their old nforce5 chipset.
The only good chipset nVidia has released (relative to the competition) is the nforce 2 board, the rest have been pretty dire, only cheaper prices and lack of decent AMD boards has kept them going...
Intel chipsets usually scale higher on FSB and run cooler, no denying that. But they have a clear advantage as they also design the CPU. The NVIDIA SB on recent 680i is from nForce 5 series but the NB was redesigned. On the nForce 2 note, ahhhh, I miss my NF7-S 2.0 with my Barton mobile!!!! Bring back soundstorm!Quote:
Originally Posted by stealthbomber
I am unfortunate to say that hipro5 is right. I have a QX9650 ES L734A in a eVGA 680i SLI board, the damn thing boots at 87x9 ~ 0.5GHz, freezes right after setting any FSB, two of the cores arent even booting up. Will try the P31 BIOS. If anyone has some beta BIOS that is compatible for York please PM me or post it here.
Damn nVidia :(
lol would you feel :banana::banana::banana::banana:ty if your P35 board couldn't boot with it
cause there are some that still don't due to lack of bios support
try DFI P35 for example
it will just take time
what's the big deal :shrug:
Lame :( It was all excited tonight, mounted the CPU into socket and then this. Tommorrow some appropriate cascade cooled P5K benches for sure!
P.S.: Same result with P31 BIOS. Err, not really, now it boots at 93x6MHz! :D
hahahahah :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by tiborrr
tiborrr, what do you mean by Hipro was right?
Hipro said retail, not ES
Basically a done deal since EVGA has publicly stated there would be no support for Yorkfields on the 680i platform.
EEK linkQuote:
Originally Posted by Praz
http://evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1670...y=%F0%A8%B1%A8Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
First post. Most after that are people wanting new boards.
oh well at least 780i will work with it
funny that dual cores will be supported :rolleyes:
It does seem odd. The following are more posts from EVGA in that thread. About the only thing hardware related that's left is the power plane. Kinda unclear now if Intel is screwing with nVidia, nVidia just plain messed up or nVidia is screwing with their customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
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Unfortunately, this is the official word. There will not be official support for the QX9650 CPU on the 680i platform, anything you heard prior to this announcement is not correct. There will still be an update in December for Wolfdale CPU's however.
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We can tell you it is a hardware limitation on the 680i board. With the release of a new CPU sometimes it is not just a simple die shrink, even if the CPU draws less power there could be other specs and requirements.
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I can tell you it is not a chipset, socket, or FSB issue.
It's just LAME :( (btw is this the exact word? :D learning English day by day :) )...
We will teach you the American Slang!Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Hmmm.....What is "Slang"....like language or so?....:DQuote:
Originally Posted by fhpchris
lol. Your English is just fine. That pretty much describes the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
lame is the correct word.
Slang is like casual unofficial language, usually a made up word for something that slowly grows into common use.
Ahhh......Thanks T_M.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by T_M
I think that NVIDIA and INTEL should work together as in
NVIDIA should let Yorkfield processor on SLI boards, and Intel should let SLI to work on Intel boards.
And who ever make better mobo will win.
And is is down to custommers preferences wich board will buy.
This information is RIGHT, i have the same info directly from nVidia. YES nF680i never will support Yorkfields, only Wolfdale! This is final information, stop speculation about Yorkfields on nF680i! This chipset never support it ...
You will need nF780i SLI! Damn Intel for :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing politics ... but Intel is in IT industry GOD Almighty ...
yeah i got the confirmation via email too about 680i :(Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
780i incoming :D
:mad: i like my Striker so much ... i dont want new stupid nF680i SLI+PCIe 2.0 (nF780i SLI) mobo. It is the same northbridge and here is a way how to support Yorkfields ... i know it, but here is stupid politics of Intel ...
For sale -- slightly used, Asus Striker Extreme ... :)
Yeah, for sure ...Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
looks at the XFX board sitting here :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
it will get a workout tomorrow before retirement :up:
Are you joking with your damn intel?Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
Asus P5N-T Deluxe nForce 780i Motherboard Preview
http://www.hardwarexl.com/reviews/ma...board_preview/
Nice to sell new chipset, when an awaiting cpu arrives... Nvidia has nothing to win supporting already sold chipset...Quote:
Strange part is that the 780i is in fact a 680i with an added additional PCIe 2.0 bridge chipset.
why do you think he's joking?Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
It's in big and red :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
nVidia says: we want to bring support to our customers, because we care of them ... but Intel cuts off us from that ...
I own an SE here, and even though would have liked the QX9650 to have worked I don't see what the fuss is about. The board came out over a year ago before 45nm chips were even out, not to mention the quad core versions of them. It can run all of the 45nm dual cores out there it looks like just not the quads. Ok, well you can still use the 65nm quad core on it for the exact same rated speed and at 1333fsb.
I think nvidia did a decent job actually on the chipset/system no worse than any other company trying to support something that was only in pre-engineering samples, if that, at the time of inception. What you were looking for a board that you would never need to change? Good luck with that. ;)
When is the evga 780i out for purchase??? Doesn't its have the almost exact same layout as the 680i?? could i still use all my ek nb sb and mofset blocks?? i HOPE so... and is it confirmed the 780i will support all the new 45nm cpu's yorkfield and wolfdale?
And you think they would have say:Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
"We don't want to support 680i in order to sell new chipset?"
So again:
"780i is in fact a 680i with an added additional PCIe 2.0 bridge chipset."
if 780i support penryns, why can't the 780i without the additional PCIe 2.0 bridge chipset. (aka the 680i) ?
:shrug:
it's a revised chipset nemrod
cause NV is gready. :ROTF:
why support an old chipset when you can sell a newone, imho intel has nothing todo with it. The one and only to blame is NV.
nVidia is as usual full of it. Considering Yorkfield works on 945 chipsets and SiS and maybe even ATI chipsets. Just consider how long back this "conspiracy" should have been running.
nVidia messed up as usual with their craptastic chipsets. They should stick to GPUs that they actually know how to make.
if nvidia actually cared about its customers, it would sell intel an sli license, instead of forcing people who already bought two of their video cards through the pain of having to rma 10 motherboards to find a working one... i know i for one, along with probably at least a considerable amount of people, would buy an sli system, if we were allowed to use an intel chipset. gpus are more expensive than chipsets, so if nvidia just stopped being greedy bastards, they would probably make even more money this way... and besides, for whatever reason, some massochists would still buy their chipsets...Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
This isn't a stupid move by intel. If you think about it, nvidia is really the one that punched first by not giving intel the sli technology, even though I believe this would of mean't more sales for nvidia in their gpus.
Intel could cut nvidias head right off if they decide to go after the gpu market.
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Originally Posted by disruptfam
I heard that the layout of the standard 780i by XFX, EVGA etc. shall be very similar to the one of the 680i, so you should be able to use them. But of course, I cannot guarantee that, I think you will have to wait.
will the new chips work on the 975x chipset? Ihave a dfi sitting around that I might put back together.
this has nothing to do with intel,its nvidia making us buy new boards,intel could care less if it works on 680i.
put your selves in nvidia situation...lets see how will we sell the new chipsets if the 680i is a solid chipset?
brilliant...dont support the new chips with a bios update and force them to buy new chipsets haha brilliant
thats what i think as well.. if nvidia can make yorky work on 780, then they could make it run on 680. if they did that though, it would only be helping out intel to sell more chips, and nvidia would waste resources without seeing a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
no benefit for nvidia to put man hours on this, it would only support current owners of the 680i.
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Originally Posted by cky2k6
Absolutely SPOT ON :up:
And this is coming from a 680i owner, no shame in admitting it.
i guess though, thinking about it, nvidia is probably milking its gpu performance leadership for all it can, and i'm sure its board partners enjoy selling mobos to the likes of dell, alienware, vodoo, and the rest. unfortunately, most who buy systems with the 680i chipset will never oc their cpu, much less a quad core, so its perfectly fine for stock... still nvidia, respect us as a customer base, sell intel a freaking license...Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG87