retail QX9650 first run -> 4400mhz on Intel cooler box

those temps look way to high for that cooler, maybe board is miss reading them ?

Nunca imaginei que um quad chegasse a 4400 com box.....
Congratulations....

Ok my panic is over... my temps are just fine. I'm reviewing the pics from pcCI2Minimal.

So... Let's add this factors...


My settings:

10x400 @ 1.4V.

On Idle I'm sitting around 36C perfect.

On Load: I'm getting 75C tops while stressing 4 cores Prime 95

That's 25C to Tjunction remaining.

This is kind of what it was achieved by pcCI2Minimal @ 4100, but with extra factors to consider.

-Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Lapped Mirror finish.
-Arctic Silver 5 paste.
-Most important Case doors of my P182 enclosure closed.
-120mm CPU and exhaust fan undervolted @ 1024RPM, I'm not running my fans full speed, I like silence.
-And on top of that to make things worse, I have a 8800Ultra Overclocked inside that case. ( a freaking furnace), in my experience from switching my former GPU to this one it adds 5-7C more to the CPU temp.
-And finally Ambient temp of 75F = 23C



The run on air that pcCI2Minimal , if I'm not wrong and for the pictures I see it was done with the motherboard outside the case in the air and the stock cooler.

I've rechecked and re-installed my TRUE 120 and AS5 paste again. (Also note I have the coin/washer mod made on this cooler). There could be absolutely nothing wrong.

So now you have it, for the ones interested that's the test inside a case with a Thermalright 120 Extreme.

Thanks pcCI2Minimal for providing me with the settings I neded, a word or a suggestion is really appreciated. I really hope I'm not wrong.

http://www.3doracle.com/results3.jpg

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Originally Posted by oscar3d

Ok my panic is over... my temps are just fine. I'm reviewing the pics from pcCI2Minimal.

So... Let's add this factors...


My settings:

10x400 @ 1.4V.

On Idle I'm sitting around 36C perfect.

On Load: I'm getting 75C tops while stressing 4 cores Prime 95

That's 25C to Tjunction remaining.

This is kind of what it was achieved by pcCI2Minimal @ 4100, but with extra factors to consider.

-Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Lapped Mirror finish.
-Arctic Silver 5 paste.
-Case doors of my P182 enclosure closed.
-120mm CPU and exhaust fan undervolted @ 1024RPM, I'm not running my fans full speed, I like silence.
-Ambient temp of 75F = 23C


The run on air that pcCI2Minimal , if I'm not wrong and for the pictures I see it was done with the motherboard outside the case in the air and the stock cooler.

I've rechecked and re-installed my TRUE 120 and AS5 paste again. (Also note I have the coin/washer mod made on this cooler). There could be absolutely nothing wrong.

So now you have it, for the ones interested that's the test inside a case with a Thermalright 120 Extreme.

Thanks pcCI2Minimal for providing me with the settings I neded, a word or a suggestion is really appreciated. I really hope I'm not wrong.

http://www.3doracle.com/results3.jpg

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Glad everything works fine for you :) I think it's time for you to change your sig ;)

I just did.Thanks for the reminder! :-)

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Originally Posted by oscar3d

Ok my panic is over... my temps are just fine. I'm reviewing the pics from pcCI2Minimal.

So... Let's add this factors...


My settings:

10x400 @ 1.4V.

On Idle I'm sitting around 36C perfect.

On Load: I'm getting 75C tops while stressing 4 cores Prime 95

That's 25C to Tjunction remaining.

This is kind of what it was achieved by pcCI2Minimal @ 4100, but with extra factors to consider.

-Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Lapped Mirror finish.
-Arctic Silver 5 paste.
-Most important Case doors of my P182 enclosure closed.
-120mm CPU and exhaust fan undervolted @ 1024RPM, I'm not running my fans full speed, I like silence.
-And on top of that to make things worse, I have a 8800Ultra Overclocked inside that case. ( a freaking furnace), in my experience from switching my former GPU to this one it adds 5-7C more to the CPU temp.
-And finally Ambient temp of 75F = 23C

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Well my friend I know what is wrong with your temps,the fan speed is to low ,why not a try on full speed?

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The run on air that pcCI2Minimal , if I'm not wrong and for the pictures I see it was done with the motherboard outside the case in the air and the stock cooler.

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yep ,outside the case and Intel cooler box @ full speed

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Thanks pcCI2Minimal for providing me with the settings I neded, a word or a suggestion is really appreciated. I really hope I'm not wrong.

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You are doing a great job , the Ultra 120 X is amazing but he needs a help ,give him a better fan :)

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Thank you very much! But is that as high as it goes with 1.48v ?

Sigh, I guess we have to be content with 4.2G, thats not bad after all. I love those temps, but more voltage would not be healthy for this cpu. Maybe try 1.5v and see how high you can go. I would never run more than that.

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I can push a bit more on air (4250mhz-4300mhz ,1.5v - 1.55v maybe).
well I am a little crazy but not a killer and 1.45v will be the top voltage for air(24/7)

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Very nice results criminal :toast:

Is this going to be your new 24/7 setup or are you just doing this for a review/testing?

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Its only a small review
well, I can not handle these clocks @ 24/7 ,not on air and I hate water so I expect 4.0ghz - 4.1ghz on a good and quiet air.

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whats ur best with stock voltage?

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i haven`t tried ,3600mhz-3700mhz maybe

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Nunca imaginei que um quad chegasse a 4400 com box.....
Congratulations....

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Hi PcCI2iminal,

nice results :clap:

-> ygpm :)

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wow almost 4.8 on air with 4 cores. I know Vcore is high:D but this is much more then i expected these cpu's to do on air. The fact that it can handle this voltage and only be 40C on AIR is impressive.
Good job PC:up: . Cant wait to get a 8500. DC should clock even higher.

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its not 4 cores ,its only 1 hehehehe


nachthymnen

auto :)

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nachthymnen

auto :)

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Wowwww:eek: :D :slobber:
I'm going crazy, I'll must wait onother week for mine:(
Can't resist, in particular when I see screen like yours:)
9.6SPI @ air it's fantastic:D

very nice week 39 you have there, I remember when it took dry ice
with qx6700 to reach 4500mhz+, now we can do it with air.....:D

btw, we should really get passed the tale that ES are always the best, its not true. Right now some of the best Fsb cpus for qx6850 G0 are retail
later batches and not ES....;)

L739Axxx are very good overclockers.

Its all luck of the cpu you get and
skill of the overclocker to get that cpu going.....
why do you think guys test 10 cpus for ?
so when review/bench with the best one out of the 10.
Its not as easy as it sounds going through so many cpus to find the magic one,
whether ES or retail.....you still have to test many for it to be actually be cherry picked....
not all ES are cherries......

Now where are all those whining n00bs that kept saying retail chips would nere ever be as good as retails? :ROTF:

Fantastic job on air,man you have some bawlls to give it 1.7V+ on aircooling, i've never even done that with my 65nm Conroe on water but as long as your temps are fine, why not?

If you get bored with that chip soon i'll be glad to take it of your hands. :D

Keep pushing. :up:

Oscar your results arent too bad, just because Criminal had certain results does not mean you should expect the same thing. Read the other 9650 thread a guy has his @ 4.2Ghz prime stable but its with watercooling

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Well my friend I know what is wrong with your temps,the fan speed is to low ,why not a try on full speed?





yep ,outside the case and Intel cooler box @ full speed



You are doing a great job , the Ultra 120 X is amazing but he needs a help ,give him a better fan :)

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Thanks for rplying man! The stock cooler has a 90mm fan right? How much RPM@ full speed?

BTW my Yorkfield is OEM, I've got it from Tigerdirect. Do you know how to check the week of it?

Also this chips are blessed. I've tried it at stock speeds but with a VCORE of 1.25. They are f...ing COLD 25C Idle 46C on Load. :-) I've just found out this one sits nicely at those voltages.

I've tried running your settings (10x400) but with 1.385V. It won't load windows :shrug:

What about 11x367 @ 1.4.?
Does more multiplier give less performance, sorry for my noob question?

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Originally Posted by CrashOv3r1De

Oscar your results arent too bad, just because Criminal had certain results does not mean you should expect the same thing. Read the other 9650 thread a guy has his @ 4.2Ghz prime stable but its with watercooling

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Thanks for the kind words. Well I guess considering the factors I've listed and the uber skills of the overclocker. I agree I cannot get same results. But I'll sit happy with them, at least until next SUMMER :ROTF:

And? Any answer to my questions pcCI2Minimal?

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Thanks for rplying man! The stock cooler has a 90mm fan right? How much RPM@ full speed?

BTW my Yorkfield is OEM, I've got it from Tigerdirect. Do you know how to check the week of it?

Also this chips are blessed. I've tried it at stock speeds but with a VCORE of 1.25. They are f...ing COLD 25C Idle 46C on Load. :-) I've just found out this one sits nicely at those voltages.

I've tried running your settings (10x400) but with 1.385V. It won't load windows :shrug:

What about 11x367 @ 1.4.?
Does more multiplier give less performance, sorry for my noob question?

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he will probably not answer since he is a very busy xtreme overclocker visiting many forums to post his findings....you, sir, are on your own!...just read in many forums to find out what's going on with this chip.

remember, boards are different even from the same mobo maker...hardware affects ouput results...he just about uses extreme for everything including extreme output fans to cool "ALL" aspects of the board, except for his opening page of this thread...i've seen a film clip on youtube showing him using a SAN ACE screaming fan mounted on the older Intel model cooler; for most of us, the San Ace would be unacceptable because of the produced noise.

SEVERAL OF PcCI2iminal YOUTUBE VIDEOS POSTED UP MONTHS AGO:

noobs overcloking guide by PcCI2iminal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZNBKAeSYOg


air cooled Q6700 4ghz San Ace F12-HHH really loud

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iBsk8e7Iq8&feature=user


air cooled Q6700 4ghz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVs5zBqTTKY&feature=user

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Thanks for rplying man! The stock cooler has a 90mm fan right? How much RPM@ full speed?

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nah ,its 100mm and I don`t know how much RPM but is noisy ,2000RPM+ for sure

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BTW my Yorkfield is OEM, I've got it from Tigerdirect. Do you know how to check the week of it?

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the week is printed on IHS ,the last line ,mine is L739A643 -> week 39

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I've tried running your settings (10x400) but with 1.385V. It won't load windows

What about 11x367 @ 1.4.?

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its hard to say ,you need to check it by yourself but i think 1.385v is to low for 4ghz

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remember, boards are different even from the same mobo maker...hardware affects ouput results...he just about uses extreme for everything including extreme output fans to cool "ALL" aspects of the board, except for his opening page of this thread...i've seen a film clip on youtube showing him using a SAN ACE screaming fan mounted on the older Intel model cooler; for most of us, the San Ace would be unacceptable because of the produced noise.

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nice words my friend :) and in a few days i will place a SanAce on the top of new Intel cooler hehehe

It may just be the oem 9650 that I got, but it doesn't appear to me that there is a huge difference between good air and single phase in terms of stable overclocking of these. I still haven't found the exact top end of mine here, but it seems like it is somewhere in the 4800mhz area. And that needs 1.55 volts. (this is on a p5k dlx and ddr2 setup) That's not much higher than some of these air results. Actually this was somewhat similar in the QX6850 to some extent from my experience. I would have expected alot more, but I guess when your overclock a cpu from 3 ghz to 4.4 on air, that's already close to the limit of the cpu short of liq nitrogen, or multi stage phase cooling. Not that there is anything to complain about 4800, but with those super high air results, it seems like there would be more headroom. Again, maybe it's just my part. I did have it posting in windows at 49xx on a P5E3 board with 4GB ddr3 before the MB went belly up, but the phase evap head mount wasn't making full contact and it wasn't stable.

I also wanted to mention that high fsb on this 45nm one seems much harder to achive than on my QX6850. I see another user reporting the same here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=166087
Maybe the extra cache or something. Not sure why.

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nice words my friend :) and in a few days i will place a SanAce on the top of new Intel cooler hehehe

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can't wait to see how that comes out.:)...do you wear jet engine noise suppressors like the guys who park commercial and military jets.:D;)

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It may just be the oem 9650 that I got, but it doesn't appear to me that there is a huge difference between good air and single phase in terms of stable overclocking of these. I still haven't found the exact top end of mine here, but it seems like it is somewhere in the 4800mhz area. And that needs 1.55 volts. (this is on a p5k dlx and ddr2 setup) That's not much higher than some of these air results. Actually this was somewhat similar in the QX6850 to some extent from my experience. I would have expected alot more, but I guess when your overclock a cpu from 3 ghz to 4.4 on air, that's already close to the limit of the cpu short of liq nitrogen, or multi stage phase cooling. Not that there is anything to complain about 4800, but with those super high air results, it seems like there would be more headroom. Again, maybe it's just my part. I did have it posting in windows at 49xx on a P5E3 board with 4GB ddr3 before the MB went belly up, but the phase evap head mount wasn't making full contact and it wasn't stable.

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you are just about scaling as would be expected...you had about 4400+ with your QX6850 and most people were getting around 3.9-4Ghz on air...so...about 400-500 Mhz increase if you use phase sounds about right...maybe a bios tweak by asus will get you a little bit more.

FYI I've found another thread with a guy having similar results with the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.

http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.p...t=16&subpage=1

Apparently it is possible to get 4Ghz on this thing on air with VCORES lower than 1.4.

Also I did notice that it is possible to run this chip at stock 3.00Ghz STABLE with only 0.992VCORE.

PcCI2iminal - looks like got a similar batch number as yours just off by one

Arrived today (weird USPS EMS delivered to me on a Saturday! )

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/cpu.../QX9650_02.JPG

EVA: could be the king or not the king.:D;)

nice pic George :D and good luck!

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Arrived today (weird USPS EMS delivered to me on a Saturday! )

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is it good or bad? :P hehehehe

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EVA: could be the king or not the king.:D;)

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more looking like not.. but too early to tell

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nice pic George :D and good luck!



is it good or bad? :P hehehehe

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right now this QX9650 L739A644 needs 1.376v to boot 4005mhz but only semi stable with reboots at 4005mhz at 1.392-1.408v vcore on water cooling.. any lower vcore = BSOD heh

i'm hoping for 4.6ghz on water :)

Eva, strange...

Can you try 1.35V@ 4ghz?. I did SuperPi 32M and Prime95 for a complete night and it is running stable.

For some reason I'm starting to believe that eiher Asus mobos or this chips in particular like 0.05V changes.

See I tried 1.385Vcore @ 4Ghz and I had a BSOD.

Then I tried 1.3500Vcore, and strangely it's running like a champ.

Please try it.

Also found out I can run my QX9650 at stock freq. at 1.1VCORE. That is 0.15V difference from stock voltages (1.25V) And it is also running like a champ.

1.35v for 4Ghz = windows load BSOD or reboot heh

are you turning the heat up?:D

heat ???

oscar3d.. could be reason why is VID is actually lower than what I/we assumed.. i assumed VID was 1.2375v as it was same as 1.208v AUTO vcore in bios but coretemp 0.95.6 says my VID is much lower

Coretemp 0.95.4 isn't correct Coretemp 0.95.6 beta i just started to test shows closer load/idle temps to everest OSD report in screenshots heh

Coretemp 0.95.4 is about 5C under reported from Coretemp 0.95.6 beta.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/Bli...56_everest.png

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heat ???

oscar3d.. could be reason why is VID is actually lower than what I/we assumed.. i assumed VID was 1.2375v as it was same as 1.208v AUTO vcore in bios but coretemp 0.95.6 says my VID is much lower

Coretemp 0.95.4 isn't correct Coretemp 0.95.6 beta i just started to test shows closer load/idle temps to everest OSD report in screenshots heh

Coretemp 0.95.4 is about 5C under reported from Coretemp 0.95.6 beta.

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Asus/Bli...56_everest.png

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Where download Coretemp 0.95.6 beta?

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heat ???

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sorry for my american humor.:D...heat as in increasing vcore which will drive the cpu temps up;)

Intresting enough the only program that showed my my correct VID settings has been Everest :-)

Anyway this is what it shows if I set my Yorkie on STOCK with 1.100V.

A screenshot with Maximum Load on Air 43C and it idles, 26C. COLD.

http://www.3doracle.com/stock.jpg

Even with the damper enabled in p5k dlx, my vcore set in bios at 1.6v = reported 1.568v in windows. I think some of these newer 9650's need north of 1.5vcore to get the mhz up there stable. They don't seem to run overly hot though.

Update:

Guys forget about 1.1V at Stock 3.00Ghz. Strangely after running Prime95 and Superpi, played Crysis for an hour, played Gears of War for 2 hours last night. Supposedly stable, I run Photoshop today , did a couple of tweaks on a picture, and my computer turned off. Then Mobo said "Overclocking Failure" (I guess undervolting failure).

I think my vdroop kick me in the balls. I'm currently testing Stock @ 1.1500 this time. See how far I can get.

I've the above fails, I think I'm going to try eva2000's numbers (1.2375V instead of 1.2500V)...

Where did you get coretemp x.xxx.6? My curent version of coretemp doesn't show VID(as you can see in the pic above)

go eva !!!

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Where download Coretemp 0.95.6 beta?

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Ditto.

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Intresting enough the only program that showed my my correct VID settings has been Everest :-)

Anyway this is what it shows if I set my Yorkie on STOCK with 1.100V.

A screenshot with Maximum Load on Air 43C and it idles, 26C. COLD.

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That is sure better than those 70deg+ shots you were at a few days ago . . ;) I guess those volts really pile on the heat.

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Where download Coretemp 0.95.6 beta?

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he hasn't put it on d/l yet. Just some testers I think.

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That is sure better than those 70deg+ shots you were at a few days ago . . ;) I guess those volts really pile on the heat.

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Yes, :ROTF:

Thanks man!

George

I think we got the same cpu hehehe
Now I'm using a DFI and the mobo is locked in a case ,the cpu cooler is an Auras CTC-868 and how i posted in your thread -> 4ghz @ 1.39v is Crysis and benching stable.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/6...ebenchpoh7.jpg
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7...6wizardeo3.jpg

Coretemp 0.95.4 is about 5C under reported from the new beta but still great and the cooling is a crappy Auras but its winter in JP hehehe(room temp @ 17C)

nice. For stock cooling those are good idles. at freaking 4.4ghz

how is it under loads?

ahhh in feb i plan to get a penryn for my main rig, and send my q6600 off for folding dutie

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nice. For stock cooling those are good idles. at freaking 4.4ghz

how is it under loads?

ahhh in feb i plan to get a penryn for my main rig, and send my q6600 off for folding dutie

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4.4ghz under load?
Nuclearus-->70C+ hehehe

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George

I think we got the same cpu hehehe
Now I'm using a DFI and the mobo is locked in a case ,the cpu cooler is an Auras CTC-868 and how i posted in your thread -> 4ghz @ 1.39v is Crysis and benching stable.

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/641/yorkfield4ghzcinebenchpoh7.jpg[/IMG]
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7820/yorkfield4ghz3d06wizardeo3.jpg[/IMG]

Coretemp 0.95.4 is about 5C under reported from the new beta but still great and the cooling is a crappy Auras but its winter in JP hehehe(room temp @ 17C)

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Interesting, i tried downgrading Blitz Formula bios from 1205 to 1101 bios and still QX9650 L739A644 only semi stable at 4000mhz at 1.408v - reboots after 5min of prime95

Only thing left is to maybe try Gigabyte X38 boards and see heh

George ,no reboots for me but 1 core fails after a few minutes of prime(4ghz @ 1.39v).

look what i got

Yorkfield QX9650 week 39 4ghz

1.36v
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7...vcoreciyt2.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9...vcorepilh8.jpg

1.34v
http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3...vcore3det9.jpg
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7...vcoreciwf6.jpg

1.32v
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/7...vcorepiag4.jpg

4ghz at 1.32v the Cinebench and 3D06 will not finish but I need to try again with more voltage on NB(only 1.31v used)

nice i can't even boot into windows without 1.392v on Asus Blitz Formula/Extreme and also on Gigabyte X38-DQ6.. prime95 at 4000mhz needs 1.488v idle/1.440v load (1.50v bios set)

http://fileshosts.com/intel/Gigabyte...me95_load1.png

http://individual.utoronto.ca/bzhou/...ghz-1.408v.jpg

Here's what I was able to pull, ES though not retail. Trying to get ahold of one to compare :D

I think Oscar3D lucked out and snagged a cherry chip.

Do you guys think they're binning the chips out for the QX9770 already?

Probably are already binning judging from my QX9650 L739A644 Retail OEM

could they be binning for the retail chips???

Or binning for QX9770 heh

i pre-ordered a retail QX9650...it is suppose to be in this week at the online retailer...i hope it is golden or maybe, just like yours.;)

It would be greatly appreciated if one of you lucky QX9650 owners could run the chip at ~2700mhz in nuclearus (you may also run it at a higher speed and submit your score to the nuclearus thread) or crystalmark so that we can compare it to a 2,7ghz phenom clock for clock.

I think it would also help to see penryn's improvements in some more "exotic" benchmarks compared to conroe@2.7.

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i pre-ordered a retail QX9650...it is suppose to be in this week at the online retailer...i hope it is golden or maybe, just like yours.;)

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congrats, Ace. If they are binning for the 9770, I don't think there is any more headroom from what I have seen on the ES 9770 reviews. So far the fastest chips out there have been the early 9650 ES's. I could have bought one but decided to go for an OEM. I'm pretty happy with it but still regret that I didn't grab one of those ES high flyers.

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congrats, Ace. If they are binning for the 9770, I don't think there is any more headroom from what I have seen on the ES 9770 reviews. So far the fastest chips out there have been the early 9650 ES's. I could have bought one but decided to go for an OEM. I'm pretty happy with it but still regret that I didn't grab one of those ES high flyers.

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at least, you have a warrenty on your QX9650, ES don't...phase change can kill...sometime ;)

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congrats, Ace. If they are binning for the 9770, I don't think there is any more headroom from what I have seen on the ES 9770 reviews. So far the fastest chips out there have been the early 9650 ES's. I could have bought one but decided to go for an OEM. I'm pretty happy with it but still regret that I didn't grab one of those ES high flyers.

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:up:..i am always wishful;)

Sorry fr my bad english, it's a never ending adventure finding new words for my vocabulary (I'm from Chile living in the US and speak spanish)

You mean binning, like throwing away QX9770?

BIN = TRASH BIN?

I've heard some crap regarding a lot of wattage being consumed by them and exagerated high temps.

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Sorry fr my bad english, it's a never ending adventure finding new words for my vocabulary (I'm from Chile living in the US and speak spanish)

You mean binning, like throwing away QX9770?

BIN = TRASH BIN?

I've heard some crap regarding a lot of wattage being consumed by them and exagerated high temps.

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read the first paragraph..that might explain what it is, binning, in general terms.

http://www.lumileds.com/pdfs/AB21.pdf

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Originally Posted by oscar3d

Sorry fr my bad english, it's a never ending adventure finding new words for my vocabulary (I'm from Chile living in the US and speak spanish)

You mean binning, like throwing away QX9770?

BIN = TRASH BIN?

I've heard some crap regarding a lot of wattage being consumed by them and exagerated high temps.

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That crap started with a not-so-good review by Anandtech.. Anyway retail QX9770 won't be much hotter than QX9650. Shown by a digitlife review. I just noticed they write the QX9770 will fit in the 130W thermal envelope, wasn't there a rumour (?) it would be 150W?

Sorry... still trying to know what "binning" means... :clap:

I'm trying to decipher the significance it has from reading the paragraphs...

Makes me feel like a primitive :confused:

As long as they keep the QX9770 under that 130W envelope we shouldn't have any problems. Unless they already made deals with Dell to create a super XPS model with inside case phase-WC system...

I guess some new air cooler might appear next year...

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Originally Posted by oscar3d

Sorry... still trying to know what "binning" means... :clap:

I'm trying to decipher the significance it has from reading the paragraphs...

Makes me feel like a primitive :confused:

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Simply put, they are making chips, and some are coming out really well... (in testing, they need slightly less voltage and produce less heat at a certain speed), so they are putting the 'best' ones aside for a higher model number at a higher price.

Hope that helps. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :up:

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Originally Posted by ZeroOne

Simply put, they are making chips, and some are coming out really well... (in testing, they need slightly less voltage and produce less heat at a certain speed), so they are putting the 'best' ones aside for a higher model number at a higher price.

Hope that helps. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong. :up:

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That's pretty much it. When the 45's come out, they take the best ones and send tem to the 9770 pile, the next best go to 9650 and then down the line. In the past, when a new model comes out and it's higher speed cousin hasn't gone to market yet, you may get the benefit of the higher speed because these higher speed units from whichever lot they are from are not "binned" over yet because the higher speed cpu hasn't come out yet. As soon as they know they need a higher speed model, then they start pushing the best ones over to that model lines bin, i.e. "binning" and so on. I not sure if they test samples form each lot or each and every unit from the lot.

Thanks guys!!

Now I get it... :p:

wow! very impressive criminal :up: