Just mount your FuZion, look at the results, and in a few days we'll have more accurate results from Eddy's block and THEN you can decide what to do, but like I said... for now, just mount that FuZion with nozzle :)
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Just mount your FuZion, look at the results, and in a few days we'll have more accurate results from Eddy's block and THEN you can decide what to do, but like I said... for now, just mount that FuZion with nozzle :)
expect to see a review from our friends at hardware canucks in the coming days (depends how quickly EK wants to send a sample over there).
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
Mount your Fuzion and get that rig finnished!!! :ROTF:
Will keep my eyes on the forum ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Linus@ncix
I would like some more comprehensive testing..... :)
I would like to see a comparison with a bowed and nozzled fusion. As each the bow and the nozzel seem to pick up a 1-2 degree advantage each a 4 degree difference might even out with the modded fuzion. However this looks to be a mighty nice piece of work and I look forward to the real life pics :D
it does look good....if the fuzion gained say 4 degrees from bow + nozzle then it would be the same (according to the graph posted earlier...). This is still a much nicer and the design seems much different from the fuzion.
I would definitly buy this block if that were the case.
I want to see some real life quad core tests...preferably with a B3 stspping CPU
Yeah me too. Since the fuzion nozzles are only $6 and available out of the box, it may as well be a comparison against the best combination currently available.Quote:
Originally Posted by AAjax
I sure hope they send one to nikhsub1, all of the multiple mounts that he does really irons out the details in what if any differences there are. I just don't trust most of the review sites, I've just seen way too many variables they left wide open in thier testing.....
Time will tell, but this is very good to see. I really expected swiftech to come back and make a new product to shine past the fuzion, but with EK's top notch quality, I'd happily replace my fuzion with the EK if private party testing shows it to be better.:up:
:shocked: WOW I know the block I'm going to get when it comes out :up:. It's Beautiful :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
does anyone from swiftech (GABE) have anything to say about Fuzion killing block in the near future?
...And here I was thinking that we are finally reaching the limitations of watercooling with a bowed/nozzled Fuzion....
I knew a thinner base would help, but I definatly didn't think about something like this... just goes to show innovations will always be made.
sort of reminds me of that thermalright waterblock
damn its $73usd i might just keep my nuzzled d-tek for now
That's $80aud which isn't to bad as the d-tek fuzion retail's for $95 + nozzle'sQuote:
Originally Posted by Pen3
It's the postage from ek that's gonna kill ya... :(
Finally the europeans have a price advantage in hardware over the americans! :)
On EK's website it is 49,95, the fuZion costs 68,99 at aquatuning.de, that's almost 20,- cheaper.
I won't complain. :D
Eddy, any chance of making a copper top with options of plating in gold/silver/nickel for bling bling? :D
Who needs blingbling lol... black sexy delrin FTW :DQuote:
Originally Posted by qwerty69
Where are the photos of it, not cad/cam etc the real thing is what i wana see
See http://www.cooligy.com/microchannels.htmlQuote:
Marci, if you will, would you enlighten me on microchannel? I'm not familiar with that tech...
Reference book - http://www.edata-center.com/ebooks/b...121d74e61.html
Lots on Microchannels around the web - IBM use microchannels in their liquid cooling systems...
Has there been pressure drop curve data released for this block yet?
If thermal performance is coming out, why not release the pressure drop curve as well?
It would be great to see a comparison of the block, a stock fuzion, a nozzled 4.5mm fuzion, and the GTX.
From the looks of the stainless plate nozzle, I suspect there is a substantial improvement that could be made regarding pressure drop and that's simply to use a thicker nozzle plate and radius the inlet side to reduce the entrance losses.
It's obvious to me the slotted nozzle plate is the controlling factor regarding pressure drop. There is likey a fair amount in the microchannels as well, but making a small change like making the stainless nozzle plate out of 1/4" or 1/8" acetal and refining the nozzle to reduce entrance losses would prove beneficial IMHO.
In the article that Marci posted it says that microchannels don't need turbulence to perform well. So you might be right about the nozzle plate. I think that as long as water circulates well through the microchannels, the nozzles could be wider without affecting temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
Perhaps they don't have the equipment? (which wouldn't be all that surprising)Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
I'll put a pressure drop curve together whenever I end up getting my hands on one... as well as thermal performance (assuming that I can find the time to get some other testing out of the way first).
That would be great, thanks!:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Petra
Hey There! thanks man, it's nice to be back, i kinda fell off around the start of the year as i was preparing for applications, then school, then moving, and all the while getting rid of all my working computer parts, and storing all my W/C equipment and tools.... and on that noteQuote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Zeus! I am in your country! I live in Utrecht now, doing a Year long full time master's. i actually took the wrong train last friday, trying to to to meet a friend for dinner in a'dam and ended up in den haag. eek! right near you eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
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back on topic: i still have all my EK barbs, both FC-79 blocks and can't wait till i graduate, and get employed again so i can rebuild a machine or two! and of course i love to see that eddy is expanding to fill certain market holes. now don't ever extend yourself eddy, we dont want a drop in quality man!
but now that i am over here, I can get all my eddy blocks and barbs.... for cheaper! yeaaaa!
euro-roli
That is nice looking block. I would like to see a comparison between it and the old wave since that's what I have.
Quote:
Originally Posted by el rolio
Lol, welcome to my country euro rolio. :)
Yes Den Haag is pretty close to where i live, just some 10km north of me.
Just order from Eddy direct, postage isn't that much and every order i placed from Eddy went trouble free and very fast.
The block looks good, but my only concern is if there will be a back plate included with the block?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
With an extreme bowed based, getting the best contact will be tricky and especially without a back plate?
/Thomas
Backplate not included.
All blocks need a backplate if they need perfect contact, so do apogee and fuzion.
Here is one live picture.
The metal plate is now only polished steel.
We'll sell it chromed.
http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/images/EK_Supreme1.jpg
OMG WOW..... the sexy performer hey!! i'll order 3 please...
Any internal shot's eddy?
Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
Link to independant performance figures please........
Now that's dead sexy babby :up:
nice.
İnternal photossssss:D:D:D:D
So when will we see them for sale in the us?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
+1 for internal photos.
Nice looking block :)
Looks very interesting, I really hope it performs (though the name is a little camp for my liking).
Man that is HOT!
I'm getting real excited here... now I have to decide is I want to replace my Stealth block with something from ek as well.
i agree...really sexy block
i want one NOW!!!
internal pics?
when can we get them over in North America
NOOHHH!!! Dont chrome it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
hate to sound blingy but is there a clear acrylic top in the works?
Yes a clear top with a clear jet plate.
Are the channels straight or wavy?
creidiki said it best...:up:
"Quote:
Originally Posted by creidiki
EKs are like waterblock pr0n"
Agreed, brushed stainless steel looks more Pro and industrial IMO. And it also doesn't catch as many fingerprints :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by nullface
i dont quite understand eddies post
"Backplate not included.
All blocks need a backplate if they need perfect contact, so do apogee and fuzion."
If all blocks need a backplate why is he not shipping the block with one???
Some people already own backplates and it would raise the price if it was included. This way you can chose the backplate manufacturer of your choice. Possibly he could have it as an option. JMOQuote:
Originally Posted by 7499richard
I don't see why people are raising a fuss over the backplate issue........I have been using the same back piece from my TTBT, and it has worked for the Apogee GTX with it bowed, the Cathar G5, and I am sure I could use it on future blocks.
I added plastic wasters, and nuts to keep it from touching the back of the board, sits about 3/8 off the back of the board.
EK, if my .0000002 matters, don't chrome it. This is XS its not about bling here, we make things work, then we make them look good if we are not to busy overclocking hardware. if anything possibly provide that option, but not stock?
oh boy maybe i could sell my MP05 for this.....
I dont use a backplate. They are over rated.
I'm eager to see some tests from websites and forum members before jumping to conclusions.
But, If the tests provided were accurate, Then it looks like EK broke the Fuzion's 1-year rampage. :clap:
and what a rampage it was. major difference for me to come back to the forums from a 9 month absence and allllllll pics have fuzion blocks hahah.
looking fwd to some more tests and written reviews eh? go EK go!
Sexy looking block man!
Hi!Quote:
Originally Posted by stormshadow
Yes acrylic top should be available in 3 weeks.
BTW, the steel has to be plated and its chrome or nickel.
I don't agree, motherboards will bend/warp when (over)tightening a waterblock, and that may cause motherboard failures.Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
Now a backplate cost me 4,95 euros here in the Netherlands, that includes shipping lol... and for that lousy amount of money I guarantee that my motherboard doesn't die when I overtight my waterblock a bit... better safe than sorry, if I want to kill it I can always do that later ;)
So for me it's definitely not overrated nikhsub1 ;)
IMHO nickel is way more sexy than chrome!
Petra will you be stocking these any time soon??
Eddy very nice picture so far. I am getting ready to put my first true watercooling system together and hopefully I can add this :) then all my items will be made by you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
hey,
Fittings included with the block? (mounting hardware that is)
If microchanneling really is the bee's knees of cooling, why hasn't it been implemented before? (Other than IBM number-crunchers)
Is it just the price/time needed to mill it, or are there other reasons?
It has. Can anybody say 'Whitewater'?Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAgainstPaul
http://www.employees.org/~slf/lrwb/
Nice one Eddy :D
REAL INTERNAL PICS PLEASE!!!
I'm really curious on how the insides look...
what machining method are you using to achieve so "tiny" microchannels?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
great block btw :up:
eddy will you be sending out the block for reviews??
Of course there will be reviews!Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
Think I'm gonna buy me one and see how it compares against my Fuzion.
Yes Jupiler do that, then I can finally decide which block I should buy... ;)
FuZion or EK Supreme
Sounds like a choice of cooking styles.:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
or pizza topping
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:up:
:rotf::yepp:
brings out the popcorn and waits for some test results...
cheddar cheese flavored...
What I absolutely don't get is that if the blocks are torqued down after the motherboard is secured to the motherboard tray, then how is the motherboard going to warp ? It seems as though a lot of people like to install their blocks and torque them down before installing the motherboard on the mobo tray. Perhaps its to take photos and show everyone how pretty they are.
There's the issue of how to torque down the block when the bolts are on the underside.. but that's open to individual creativity. Look at Jedda's machine.. he's able to get to the bottom of the motherboard even after its mounted... how? he cut strategic holes in his mobo tray... I would imagine similar holes can be created for the mosfet blocks as well... so... are backplates still absolutely necessary ? All that's needed is some good 'ol stratetergery.
My personal experience is that my motherboard does bow if a backplate is not used. It just makes sense to me to support the backside of the motherboard since the waterblock is being tightened down so far for maximum contact pressure. JMO
The mobo will still be warped but pushed down at the mounting screws so the mobo will take on some sort of "waved" shape.
You don't want the mobo to take such strain if a backplate can help prevent that, do you?
Using a backplate sets my mind at ease, just boltin a nut down to the motherboard with a washer in between fixes the threads, so that ain't a problem.
This is my experience also. During my last build I actually had to wait for a day while I ordered a backplate. Seems pretty stupid to risk a mobo worth maybe $300 over the lack of a $5 backplate.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
I guess I'm missing something... here is my test rig, which isnt even bolted to a mobo tray, it just lays on rubber grommets that go through the screw holes of the mobo... and I mount the blocks on this board with ~55lbs of pressure.
http://www.anonforums.com/builds/tes...horizontal.jpg
Well,Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
according to http://www.aquatuning.de , they should have the blocks around the 19th.
As I need some cheap Thermaltake memory coolers for my 8800GT, I'm gonna order from them. Saves me some extra on shipping.
Aquatuning indeed, they have all kind of stuff, including Eddy's :up:
I'd like those TT memcoolers too, but I have 4x1gb so it probably won't fit :p:
Maybe time for 2x2gb? :rofl:
Anyway, just awaiting pics and results first, then decide what and how :)
Wow, 4 gigs? What videocard is that? :rofl: :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garrett
:rofl: :clap: :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jupiler
lol my DDR2 mem uses BGA chips :rofl:
plz back ontopic ;)
Hi everyone. I am going to choose between this EK cpu block and the D-Tek FuZion with nozzles that my dad recommends. He also says that I have the option of keeping the Apogee GTX if I like and he's going to switch to the copper top for me. I am confused which is the better choice. My cpu is going to be either a QX6850 or a QX6700. It my choice between the two, but my dad tells me that the QX6700 is a better overclocking cpu. Anyway, I have to make choices and its hard.
Well, we all dont know any results on the EK block yet, so if you want to choose , i suggest that you hold off and look for some results.. they "say" that it beats the fuzion, but who knows?
If you should choose Fuzion over GTX i dont know, they are pretty the same :)
but i do got a fuzion with the nozzles, and i am more than happy :) more flow than the GTX EVEN with the 4,5mm nozzle in it..at an ambient of 20c i get about 27c idle and 53c LOAD with 1.54v on my 6850, so personally i would choose the fuzion couse i got it myself, and i havent seen any stunning results of the GTX that would make me change my mind..nor the pressure of it.. i got it perfekt in my loop with mcw60 and fuzion with nozzle.
both are extreme processorn wich got unlucked multiples, who clocks best i dont know :) 6850 has default 1333fsb while 6700 has 1066..does your father got the cpus? and have tried them?
my 2 cents :)
Well the first thing that you need to do is give your dad a "Thanks Dad". It sounds like you have one hell of a good father. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by MitchellY
And a well informed one. The best thing my father could tell me about watercooling is that it's better then passive cooling and worse the L2.Quote:
Originally Posted by SiGfever
The QX9650 is available now. It's been on the market for less than a week and will run cooler, overclock higher, and perform slightly faster clock for clock when compared with the Conroes. If you want more details to the advantages that I've listed, they can be found here.Quote:
Originally Posted by MitchellY
Highly recommended if your dad hasn't placed the order already for a Kentsfield. And yeah, thank him profusely for whichever quad he gets you. :D
If I was talking to my father about watercooling, Apogee GTX or Fuzion, he would ask me what brand of car I'm talking about :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by AllAgainstPaul
QX6700 are only B3 right, or do they make a G0 stepping one now too?
Because the QX6850 is G0 right and I thought the general consensus was that G0's clocked better, and ran cooler than B3's.
My QX6700 is a B3 that I purchased back in January, it was top notch then, but not so now, barley though :p. But if I was to buy another Top Of Line processor right now it would be the QX9 series one I think.
That is unless that QX6700 is G0. I think G0 is the way to go now though.
How does mine clock, well it is 3.6GHz 12+ hours stable prime 95. And I can bench with it at 4GHz.
Here is a CPUz verified sc of my chip.
http://<a href="http://imageshack.us...lid4ghzfo3.png[/IMG]
I am happy with the chip, and you will too with any quad that you get :)
But this is getting way off topic so if you want to talk more about quads, start up a new thread in the cpu section, you will get more help there.
This thread is about EK's new CPU BLOCK...
BTW when will we be able to purchase these blocks in north america???
MitchellY, you have a very good father, enthusiastic about water cooling too.
you should follow SigFever's advice and thank him properly.
seldom we have parents/wives/Gfs who understand our special hobby here...
still waiting for some nice inner pictures of this block, anytime now...
Hi!
Here's one picture.
I think you might know the author ;)
wow very nice
when will they be available in north america
wow... that thing is beutiful...
and yeah,, what he asked above ^! whens it available in north america @.@
Eddy :
got a question regarding the mounting hardware :
will the provided longer screws (which go through the back of the board) fit on any used backplates?
I'm asking this because I have the D-Tek and bought a Scythe mounting backplate some time ago.
I noticed that the provided long screws on the D-Tek are to thick, so the backplate is useless.
The long mounting screws that are now provided with the Fuzion are smaller, so the backplate can be used.
Nice block Eddy, nice drawing Russel :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Not to speak for EK, but their mounting hardware tends to be M4 sized whereas the mounting screws for the Fuzion are M3 now (and fit Swiftech's, Thermalright and Zalman's backplates in my experience.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jupiler
Damn that looks nice, cannot wait to see more reviews on performance and restriction on the loop. This looks like the water block that will be sitting on a new QX9650 at the heart of my system. Well as soon as i find a SLI board that will work with the QX9650. Waiting with baited breath for more info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
Just use the same mounting hardware as the Fuzion. No biggie really. If the screws are smaller just install with care.
Ahh, that's awesome and very easy to understand..:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddy_EK
<gets out popcorn and waits for testing>
eerily familiar:
http://www.hartware.de/media/reviews/472/3.jpg
source: http://www.hartware.de/review_472.html