LOL........Whats up Dave:D
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LOL........Whats up Dave:D
Just looking in and making sure the flames aren't waist high yet..:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
I'll grant you, boards are issues, now you know why I use server hardware.
My guess is you need 2 systems, one for that humongus raid deal and one for that Q6600..
I do have a DX3600 system with PCI-e X16 and X4 slots on a SM X6DA8-G2 board that might solve your problems..;)
http://www.supermicro.com/products/m...5/X6DA8-G2.cfm
Well my intension's at this point Dave is 2 68w Barcelona's on Dual Socket F 4gb Ram permanent home for my storage and a dedicated work station server worthy of my needs and expectations. This system that I am on now will be strickly for blowing up:D
Ok, sounds like a good plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
When the AMD system is up and running, bring the other to WCG and we'll help you blow it up the right way!:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Naaa.....not Me! I got this friend thats Teaching me how to be more Diplomatic & Tactful :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :peace:
"Trying" is a word that you should have included.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Now I have many times where I want to write " you stupid SOB" to some guy whose obviously trolling to get people's anger up but I don't.
It doesn't accomplish anything and just gives the troll what he wants..attention..
The key on trolls is to always ignore them, thats what frustrates them the most and on people with a different opinion, attack the argument, not the man.
ok, thats the lesson for today..:D
:worship: :explode: :buddies:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
what up stephan? how you always get the cool ass chips ( fx 57, venice, and now this!!!! ) best of luck with ur benchies. i say 3.5 ghz 1.49 volts. :) hope i'm right
You will need a new BIOS for it to work properly, also, we found boards produced before March has some other "issues" with them regarding POST routines, stability, and the like. ASUS should have a new BIOS shortly but they are more concerned this weekend with getting their server boards up to speed. ;) The same holds true for several Tyan, ASUS, and Gigabyte server boards, latest revs and BIOSs work fine now, they all still need further tuning in my opinion. Overall, even on a server board, the latest silicon is shaping up nicely when compared on a clock to clock basis with Clovertown but Tigerton throws a wrench into the launch tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
s7,Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
those are B1s and are subject to errata #281. you're going to get really :banana::banana::banana::banana:astic results (i've got 6 of them).
BIOS 0506 for the L1N64 should work (and i can send it to you) but you might only be able to use a single processor slot.
:)
a little ahead of you here. :)
dave
Thx dave, but 0506 doesn't work...not even with one. How did you get it to work?Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
We had plenty of experience with cards not being seated 100% and POST problems. The board particularly does not like the PCI-E physX card. We eventually got it to comply but now board is in line to RMA again after what seems to be a failed flash. We've already spent an hour pullnig everything and resetting the CMOS a thousand times to no avail.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
is it just me or does it seem feature rich, fully loaded enthusiasts boards similar to this one tend to be a bit finicky to setup and picky on how they're configured?
doesn't work with both CPUs populated....haven't tried with 1...been too busy.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
the Tyan 3992 is the closest to actually running right now and i've yet to try the latest bios.
two new boards from Tyan (respins of existing ones) look to be promising.
cheer,s
dave
That tends to be the case since more features = more bios/hw config possibilities = large headaches in the end :D A large reason why no other mobo maker decided to take on the task of producing an enthusiast 2p board such as the L1n64 has to do with support. Asus just avoids this problem by just not offering any :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by FlawleZ
Well don't bother trying with one cpu since that won't work either. I have a feeling I know where you got that info though ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
As I said before, the 3992 DOES work and it should work fine with the most recent bios.
if you want to swap bios revs, s7, let me know.
if Mr. C***g provided that bios to you, then good luck. you're right, it doesn't work.
all my tyan bioses have come from AMD, not Tyan. :)
dave
It's 00.00 CET 10th September. Results? :D
well a little teaser I found to while away the hours (at least here in Europe we'll be in bed for the next 6 hours :) )
http://jlsuper.myweb.hinet.net/RD780/K10SP.JPG
http://jlsuper.myweb.hinet.net/RD780/CPUMARK.JPG
Thanks Motiv for the screenies! I suspect you haven't toyed much with overclocking it yet?
not my screenies, just random ones found over the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlawleZ
Here in Spain is sleeping time, but i prefer to wait. I NEED results:p:
Another useless B0 bench...
I do hope the Asus gets it's BIOS worked out.. I was planning on using it with some dual barcelona's as my engineering rig for a year or two.
wouldn't count on official support regarding that. ;) remember, opteron is strictly the AMD workstation, etc. board....I'd HIGHLY recommend the upcoming S2915E and S3992E revisions as they support dual HT links and split-plane power management (core & mc discrete)Quote:
Originally Posted by EvlUndrWareNome
dave
What? Are you saying that those boards are already *fully* ready to F+???Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
didn't say they were HT3 compatible...just said that they supported dual power planes and dual HT links. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by JohannesRS
dave
ok, there is still one thing... :P
How long until fully F+ compatible would you expect, btw?
i'm not expecting F+ boards until mid/late 08 so....what do you think? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JohannesRS
dave
any overclockability and Im not paying for a 400$+ mobo. So Im probably SOLQuote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
Quote:
Originally Posted by EvlUndrWareNome
didn't say that either...i'd expect SysTool or nTune would work in software and i'm sure Asus' "pretender" workstation boards will have some hardware OC'ing as well.
dave
That I live on Alice's Wonderland! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
Out from anand
Thanks :D
*cough* hmmm....looks like i was right.
dave
What do you mean? Taht it stopped posting?Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
well, that was actually a bit funny....I'll have to talk to Anand about that. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by v0dka
i was referring to the general core performance, that's all. :)
dave
From the hinting you have been doing I thought k10 was going to wipe the floor with core 2, how are you right?Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
what you read into my hints has absolutely nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
i was hinting that performance was markedly improved vs. the B1 benchmarks that sheeple had been mindlessly quoting as production performance.
as far as performance is concerned, for the platform work i'm interested in, AMD has again raised the bar on performance. *shrug*
cheers,
dave
Hey Dave,
Can you tell me anything about the Asus boards, didnt mean to be brash. I was just dissapointed . What work are ya in that the AMD's excel? The only reviews I have seen are Intel favoring apps, and I swear Im gonna stab the next person who brinks up the int benchmark or whatever it is. ITS ONLY ONE!
/end rant :p
Thanks for your comments Dave, they are appreciated.
i'm going to be working on a whole lot of benchmarks in the coming weeks including ESX integration, some custom applications that folks have asked me to run, etc.
i'm also going to try to trend the dual plane power and dual HT links situation using the same basic boards (S3992 and S3992E) to show the performance disparities and also to show the perf. disparities from B1 to B2/BA.
:)
should be fun...I'm in no rush, of course, but...we'll see what I can get done.
cheers,
dave
Ya dont have to call it a rush :D More like a moral obligation to properly inform the members of XS :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
lol...of course, everyone's going to scream at me for not including intel results but, i don't care. not going to significantly overhaul my test bench to include something that:
a.) costs more $$$
b.) sucks more power
:)
i've got movieman for that.
:P
dave
Haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
Ive been reading about these chips anywhere I can find em.They look like a great alternative to Intel for power / heat consumption and price. Im looking forward to further revisions of these chips. Looking forward to your reviews starting as well.
Anandtech did an article where they threw a 8800gtx into a barcelona rig, planning on any 3d tests that might exploit the cpu?
Thanks,
Ryan
edit: I know Supreme Commander will eat at a quad. Might be a good comparison as [H] did a big article on SC performance and how it increases with the Q6600. Might be something to compare. Im sure I can come up with a quick formula to roughly estimate the difference from the graphics cards used.
Dave: since there is other people asking you about new benchs, could I ask you for special and explicit report on gamess and gromacs benchies, which are on F@H and SpecFP, please?
Those are the most importat benchies for me and my work. ;)
Thanks a lot! :D
JohannesRS, techreport did run some Folding:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/13176
I want to know how is Barcelona at Super PI :D
we want 3d mark :)
The Folding results put a smile on my face :DQuote:
Originally Posted by doompc
We want to know how it overclocks.
OK little confused here. Are you saying the Chip johan tested was not the final revision and as such better performance is still to come?Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
http://aceshardware.freeforums.org/v...?t=124&start=0
he claims stepping B1 in that post which, if I may quote my AMD FAE:Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
cheers,Quote:
Originally Posted by AMD FAE
dave
Dave: In AMD nomenclature, *1 steppings are no different than any other steppings in terms of performance. That's a trait that's reserved for Intel procs ;) . In fact, some of the best performing AMD cpu's EVER have been *1. If people had been quoting b1 performance, those procs will be exactly the same clock for clock as retail :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=150Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
go back one post. :)
B1 is DVT and not production release.
dave
Yes, each successive stepping makes improvements on the cpu's but - like you say - the improvements are most likely reserved to fix erratas. Even production/retail cpu's contain erratas which may or may not be corrected. That being said, performance in b1 cpu's are basically identical to successive steppings with the exception of performance in VERY specific applications. B1 is not necessarily reserved for DVT as they're found in many OEM machines as well. By chance, do you have a pic of your cpu's? Just want to compare "notes" vs. the ones I have on hand ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
all my cpus are thermal'd but the 2347s are week 27 and the 2344s are wk 24Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
cheer,s
dave
And which Stepping from 0724/27? I´ve got a B1 w/ 0730.
from memory, don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
when i get home.
dave
When you get a chance though, could you let me know the info on the ENTIRE second line....that info helps more than the production date. Thanks :toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
Oh, btw, here are a couple examples of stepping *1 cpu's that I've owned and were decent performers. (I know you don't care too much for OC'n, but these are the only examples that I have :p: )
Here's the former WR dual core - which to this day is STILL one of the strongest dual core's I've ever seen:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/7...cpuz1292zw.jpg
My "FX56" - Yes, this one WAS a DVT cpu:
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/1193/new3sa.jpg
Lastly, here's the only 4g Opteron.....ever (at least last time I checked) :p: :
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/uploa...4/cpu-4005.jpg
I've got a few more, but I really don't feel like looking through my bag of screenshots :D
Guys do you have any idea what vCore Opteron 2360 sent to Anand has? Is it as ridiculous as on CPU-Z screen in their review? (1.520V!)
Also same CPU-Z screen is showing rev. B2 for 2.5GHz K10:)
A handy LINK
Not sure, but I'm getting tired of waiting for Asus....I think I'll just run this pair in a Tyan s3992....Gonna go pick up the board in a bit. I'll be able to compare tonight ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Sounds like fun, after you're done send me the cpus, lol. Enjoy, hope you get some good tests done.
Waiting for your results :)
1.5V for 2.6ghz is ridiculously high. I was expecting a max of 1.4V... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
Hopefully it's because Anand doesn't know how to overclock.
you can't go by cpu-z, it still has trouble reading my 185, let alone a new cpu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noob-ftw
Just confirmed that B1 IS the stepping on currently available Barcelonas. We won't be seeing B2's until AMD starts ramping up the speeds on quads; as evidenced by Anandtech's EARLY Phenom chip. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
But that Dave Graham guy was swearing up and down that B1 had some performance crippling bug, how could they be shipping that? Or is the Dave Graham guy full of crap?Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Oh wait, here was his original post on the subject:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=150
So that performance crippling bug that he claimed invalidated the the Coolaler benchies was a bug that impacted a single set of obscure memory bandwidth benchmarks (http://www.streambench.org/) that I'd never even heard of before.
LOL
Agreed, on new hardware it tends to not be accurate. It had the hardest time with my 165 for awhile until a few updates ago, even so it still kinda bounces around some.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilDoc
i'm sorry, but AMD has stated (at least in SEVERAL emails) that BA steppings are production. whether that's a kludged B1 is beyond me, i'm simply reporting what i've been told.
if that makes me "full of crap," Periander, then so be it. Blindly trusting engineers that live off this stuff day to day is not something that i do, but I do trust those who use this stuff day to day.
I didn't pull the BA stepping out of my ass. It was specifically stated that:
a.) the B1 stepping was not production (could be my week, sure, but...i digress)
b.) that BA/B2 steppings solved a significant errata present in the B0/B1 steppings (aka DVT spins) that increased the nominal performance of the Barcelona in STREAM processes
so, we'll see...won't we? as it stands, AMD is at least 3-4 weeks off from providing the channel with parts, so....since all of August isn't accounted for yet, we still might see some changes..
anyone want to gank the microcode from my BIOS's? that might answer your questions since the northbridges (or MCs) are identified by stepping (at least on the S3992)
cheers,
dave
Why would AMD give TR, AT, various other sites B1 if they don't intend to ship that? That doesn't make any sense.
Maybe when Gary Key said it flies after 2.4GHz, B1 will be under 2.4, B1+ will be 2.4+ (with added IPC boost from various things, errata fix). That's my logic :)
So what?? As far as I can tell, none of these reviews you claim were invalidated even ran these damn STREAM benchmarks nobody's ever heard of. STREAM is just an obscure benchmark suite that AMD cherrypicked to show off because it's a pure memory bandwidth bench, the area where AMD is strongest. What the hell difference would this errata have when running non-STREAM benchmarks? How would this justify your questioning the results IBM sent up to Spec based on an errata that has nothing to do with any of the Spec benches like you did here?Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=41
As if IBM were a bunch of utter morons posting Spec results for a production server not shipping until mid-November but fitted with a damn DVT processor with performance crippling errata? WTF?
Best of luck on getting us some scores to look at, and hopefully some results as to how these chips overclock. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Since AMD shipped some 2.5G, I suspect there will be some that will do 2.5G on stock cooler and stock voltages. Probaby not many, but some. Than'ts why Anands chip was hand written.Quote:
Originally Posted by tsuehpsyde
Hi, if you are willing to run some benchmarks on these CPUs, I'd love to see how they go on the x264 MPEG4-AVC video encoder. There are some benchmark files at doom9.org that enable a standardised test (i.e. specific versions of x264 and the file to encode). See here:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=122318
I'm most interested in seeing how ONE Quad Core Opteron runs. There are some 2 x dual core opteron benchmarks at doom9.org that it can be compared against.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8092/couper12nx9.png
Thanks for your time.
Hey ShowsOn, this looks like a rip-off of that link you posted..? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=158198
Dave, it wasn't my intention to insinuate you were lying. I just think you or maybe your FAE may be mis-informed. :) I feel I have to clarify a couple of things though:Quote:
Originally Posted by dave_graham
1. There isn't such a thing as a "BA" stepping. Every stepping I've ever seen (along with everybody I've spoken to about this issue) is a letter followed by a number. Maybe it's not the stepping your speaking of...instead, could it be the revision #?
2. Steppings aren't identified by production date. As a matter of fact, the production date doesn't give too much info about the cpu itself. Rather, it's the first five letters/numbers found on the second line of AMD cpu's which give much more pertinent info than the date of manufacturing.
3. Almost ALL final/production level hardware - especially cpu's - contain erratas. These erratas are deemed "acceptable" by the manufacturers as they only affect VERY SPECIFIC situations. If there's a huge problem in the chips, they simply won't be released -> as with the case of the B0 Barcelonas. Successive revisions of the cpu's are designed to fix certain erratas, but clock-to-clock performance shouldn't be affected.
On another note, I wasn't able to pick up the s3992 as I had originally planned.....:( .....
AMD officially uses the expression "Stepping BA" on its site:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/OpteronCPUFilter.aspx
but yeah I think that it may differ from CPU-Z showing.
On Anandtech, K10 2.5GHz ES shows stepping 2 on CPU-Z,
and revision is grey-out.
I suspect 2.5GHz ES may be "Stepping BA", only just speculation.
Anyway I still have a little, a very little hope for newer stepping & BIOS:)
wasnt there a b0/1/2/3 c2d, people need to spreed out their naming
and if i remebr the c2d has some 300+ errors that arnt going to be fixed, while the manchester x2 had 8x so amd is not changing platforms so im guessing that the memory controller is the problem, but i realy want to see what the new controller can do with some solid 800mhz cas 4 or 1066 cas5 @1T
.....HOWEVER.....I did manage to land the s3992's big brother: the s3993 :D
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/69/tyanos6.jpg
Say hello to the Tyan Transport GT24. Built for AMD by Colfax, this rig contains a custom bios named "Anaheim" which was modified in-house by AMD themselves. The s3993 (also called the Tyan Thunder H2100R) is based on the Broadcom/Serverworks BCM21000 chipset with a BCM5785 southbridge. It features an onboard LSI1064E SAS Controller and onboard graphics powered by ATI's ES1000 controller. Currently it has 8gb of Reg. Ecc. DDR2 (yeah I know, but there's nothing I can do about that :p: ) with the ability to support up to 32GB. Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention...this board also has a split power plane design :cool: I'll try to install the OS tonight, but it's getting late....I promise though, we'll have some benches soon :yepp:
No, the 2.5G Phenom from Anandtech is a stepping B2...I'm positive of that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kyosen
EDIT: Oh yeah, and in regards to the BA stepping - I stand corrected. But one thing is for sure....AMD doesn't list ANY cpu's on their site if it doesn't reach production levels. If you can find it on the site, it means that they're officially being produced.....
Looking forward to some benchies :)
Still I'm confused whether B2 and BA is identical or not, but ok, time will tell:)Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
And nice to see such a specialized rig!!!
Go Go:up:
Sexy board there S7! Are those dual layers of small fan in the front BTW? Noted (spelling?) that power area around the sockets look diffrent, now I know what dual power plans look like. Same monting as 939, hum tuniqs should work right? Along with almost every boltthru heatsink for 939 ;)
Nice, I have a s3992 (TA26) here. What clockchip does the s3223 use? I tried to modify the fsb-speed but neighter setfsb nor systool supports the clockchip used in s3992.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Looking forward to your results/review cause i bought thet server with barcelona in mind.
It looks like someone has just made a batch programme that runs that benchmark test. It is a bit strange they didn't mention the test files themselves are someone elses work.Quote:
Originally Posted by STEvil
Anyway, I can't wait to see some numbers of Barcelona doing those x264 tests.
After checking your link, I think AMD is adding to the confusion as they first list BA as a "stepping" and then when you click on a specific cpu, they call it "revision". There's a difference between the two.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kyosen
That fan config is a typical cooling solution for a 1u server. It'd be quite difficult to fit 80mm fans in a case which is 1.75" tall :p: Yep, same mounting as 939 as well as my l1n64...just in case you missed my old thread:Quote:
Originally Posted by BadNizze
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/4961/dsc00061vh9.jpg
I'll try to fit them in this 1u :D
I'm not surprised it didn't work. Not many people would have the info to write code for this board as it's a bit obscure/rare. This board uses a Winbond PC87417 as it's clock generator....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
Superpi 1M at stock and overclcoked
3dmark01
3Dmark06
and aquamark
looking forward to those :D
Wasn't surprised as well, not may people want to overclock such a server and i was just curious about the possibilities.Quote:
I'm not surprised it didn't work. Not many people would have the info to write code for this board as it's a bit obscure/rare. This board uses a Winbond PC87417 as it's clock generator....:)
But all the smbus interface info is well documenten in here for the s3992 clockchip aka ICS932S801.
Is there an open source tool for fsb manipulation available?
wow... nice board... GL :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
LOL....:wth:
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/905/tuniq1utv3.jpg
I could get these to fit, but the problem is the mounting bracket. Seems as if the 1u mounting hole spacing is MUCH wider than the standard opterons'. If I want to use these coolers, I'll have to fab a hold-down with the proper mounting holes. I guess for now, I'll just have to use the stock coolers the board came with.....
where's the board?! i see the New York city some years ago there!:PQuote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
these will be worse than K8 with B1 and DDR667,Quote:
Superpi 1M at stock and overclcoked
3dmark01
3Dmark06
and aquamark
looking forward to those
we should wait for a FASN8 board before benching these;)
hehe true.Quote:
Originally Posted by alayashu
To be fair, it's not the score that counts it's how low you can get PI on the Platform of Choice.
So to me, it's how well they will overclock :D
Surprise, surprise.....I just got an updated bios sent to me for the Asus L1N64 which includes the microcode for k10....now I'm torn whether to try this server first or to go back to the asus and see if the new bios works....BTW, the bios isn't an official Asus rev....
Oh, btw...I don't think any of the futuremark benches will run on 64-bit 2k3 server. I could try 32-bit 2k3 enterprise, but I don't know if they'll be issues with it. I was told 2k3 64bit should run without a hitch.....Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardyMan
I can wait untill you have some better toys to play with and to show us , i already enjoy the fact that an XS member has these toys to play with :D ;)
i would put them into the asus board and oc the hell out of em.Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
that server board wont let you oc much, if any. in the end you will put them in asus and oc them anyway
i cant wait to see a bench with a real chipset and good memory
Choices choices, must be hard being you :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
Im sure you will get awesome results mate....keep us informed :rolleyes:
Little bit of a tight fit methinks :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
hahaha love it, siamese towers
Wow. Now that's good news!Quote:
Originally Posted by s7e9h3n