Cell-SHOCKS ag. DDR3-2000 7-6-5-18 1T Prime_Pi Stable

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09-12-2007, 07:02 AM
Johnny Bravo

I hope it gets redirected to me!
09-12-2007, 09:23 AM
Raja@ASUS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

I hope it gets redirected to me!

after I've burned it in....:)

regards
Raja
09-25-2007, 08:57 AM
Fr3ak

I finally tested the Cellchocks on a decent board. My Blitz Extreme is somewhat not really working with high memory speed for whatever reason. I used a P5K3 Deluxe this time and got way better results :)

I will post pics later, don't have the time right now. I already posted in a German forum, but the screenshots should speak for themselves. The voltage used is written above the pictures.
Link: http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/showthread.php?t=244
09-25-2007, 09:45 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

I finally tested the Cellchocks on a decent board. My Blitz Extreme is somewhat not really working with high memory speed for whatever reason. I used a P5K3 Deluxe this time and got way better results :)

I will post pics later, don't have the time right now. I already posted in a German forum, but the screenshots should speak for themselves. The voltage used is written above the pictures.
Link: http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/showthread.php?t=244

Interesting might have to unpack my P5K3 Deluxe and swap out my Blitz Extreme then hehe

How much of a difference on P5K3 Deluxe vs Blitz Extreme ?
09-25-2007, 10:32 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

I finally tested the Cellchocks on a decent board. My Blitz Extreme is somewhat not really working with high memory speed for whatever reason. I used a P5K3 Deluxe this time and got way better results :)

Nice! Are they the blue or the black? With the P5K3 my blacks are good for 800 7-6-5-18 1T at 1.65v (black slots). Could you see what freq you get with same voltage and timings? It will be a few days more before I can do more extensive tests, so I'm curious :)

Edit: hmmm, just ran a 32m with 860 7-6-5-18 1T at 1.75v. These are looking teh sexy.
09-25-2007, 11:54 AM
Fr3ak

George, the P5K3 made the hell of a change for me :)
With the Extreme I needed a vdimm of 2.24V and a MCH voltage of 1.7V to be 1M stable at 900 MHz 8-7-6-21-2T. With the P5K3 I needed 1.4V VMCH and 1.7V to be dual 32M stable at 900 MHz and the same timings.

I also have the black sticks (well, I had ;)). I used the black slots, cos on P35 Asus boards (the DDR2 ones too) I was able to clock the memory higher using the black slots.
09-26-2007, 01:32 AM
eva2000

Interesting indeed wonder if extreme has tighter MCH latencies than P5K3 hence the difference in MCH voltage needed ?
09-28-2007, 02:30 AM
saaya

i think that particular blitz was crap :D
it was probably an older chipset and hence didnt clock very well...
if you ever get the time to remove that heatpipe madness and spot the nb revision let me know olli :D

btw, did you use the same cpu on both boards?
09-28-2007, 03:02 AM
eva2000

Yeah same cpu on both.. blitz extreme chipset numbers

http://i4memory.com/reviewimages/mot...Cooling_17.JPG
09-28-2007, 03:42 AM
saaya

sl... a...9r? do i need glasses or does that pic need a zoom? ^^
09-28-2007, 03:48 AM
eva2000

Le82p35
Sla9r
L715a337

:)
09-28-2007, 03:48 AM
BenchZowner

LE82P35
SLA9R
L715A337 ( if my eyes are capturing the pic correctly :D ) [ LOL ] { think I'm gonna get those boards voltmodded tomorrow! :D }

Edit: Thanks George, you confirmed my eyesight, so volt mods here I come :p:
09-28-2007, 06:43 AM
saaya

thanks george, and thanks bill, looks like your eye surgery was well worth it :lol:

im leaving to yet another ln2 party for the weekend ^^
im taking a p5k3 with me and will check the stepping this weekend.
i compared 3 boards today and yesterday, interesting...

theres a difference of 50mhz between the best and the worst in regards to max clockspeed. same cpu, same bios, same settings.
theres something else that confused me.

remember the old board i always mentioned that only did 1825 max dc stable?
its one of the first retail p5k3... well now it does 1900+...
i switched the cpu and wham, suddenly it runs much better.

the weird thing is, before it was running with a 6600 that could run a high fsb.
now its running a 6750... im sure i checked the fsb stability of the 6600 by using the same fsb or higher with a different mem divider. and it was stable... so i assumed that fsb was stable... but for some reason the 6600 was not stable at the same fsb when i used the 1:2 mem divider.

and the difference between the dividers must be huge, because with the other divider i could run an fsb of 500 easily and it was stable.
with the 1:2 divider i was limited to 1825, which is 455fsb.

could this be correct?
a max fsb difference between memory dividers?
and not a small one but a whooping 50mhz?
im puzzled... ill see if i can reproduce this with the 6600.
or could it be some registers changing once you set a high mem clock?
so once you set a memspeed of 1800+ the chipset/board relaxes some timings or changes something automatically to make a higher fsb stable?
and for some reason this only helps with 1333fsb cpus and not at all or not so well with 1066cpus?
reminds me of the l12 bridge thing from socket a :D

people could push their nf2 boards to higher fsbs with the bridge mods... its just weird this time that the memory controller is limiting that much.
but in general thats very characteristically for p35 ddr3 in my experience so far, the chipset is very limited by the ddr3 mem controller.
we can reach a notably lower max fsb with p35 ddr3 compared to p35 ddr2, which i think its the ddr3 mem controller limiting.

maybe we should compare the registers with p35 ddr3 and p35 ddr3, maybe on a hybrid board ideally so only the registers important for ddr2 and ddr3 operations change. that way we could maybe find a trick to get the same high fsbs on p35 with ddr3 as with ddr2...
09-28-2007, 06:51 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

LE82P35
SLA9R
L715A337 ( if my eyes are capturing the pic correctly :D ) [ LOL ] { think I'm gonna get those boards voltmodded tomorrow! :D }

Edit: Thanks George, you confirmed my eyesight, so volt mods here I come :p:

LOL... good to hear your eye sight is okay :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

thanks george, and thanks bill, looks like the surgery was well worth it :lol:

im leaving to yet another ln2 party for the weekend ^^
im taking a p5k3 with me and will check the stepping this weekend.
i compared 3 boards today and yesterday, interesting...

theres a difference of 50mhz between the best and the worst in regards to max clockspeed. same cpu, same bios, same settings.
theres something else that confused me.

remember the old board i always mentioned that only did 1825 max dc stable?
its one of the first retail p5k3... well now it does 1900+...
i switched the cpu and wham, suddenly it runs much better.

the weird thing is, before it was running with a 6600 that could run a high fsb.
now its running a 6750... im sure i checked the fsb stability of the 6600 by using the same fsb or higher with a different mem divider. and it was stable... so i assumed that fsb was stable... but for some reason the 6600 was not stable at the same fsb when i used the 1:2 mem divider.

and the difference between the dividers must be huge, because with the other divider i could run an fsb of 500 easily and it was stable.
with the 1:2 divider i was limited to 1825, which is 455fsb.

could this be correct?
a max fsb difference between memory dividers?
and not a small one but a whooping 50mhz?
im puzzled... ill see if i can reproduce this with the 6600.

Yeah i suspected the divider might play apart in it on an ealier blitz extreme bios i couldn't get stable using 3:5 divider at known stable cpu clock speed... swapped to 1:2 divider and was stable.

Guess also depends on the NB strap set as some straps offer the same divider.
09-28-2007, 06:56 AM
BenchZowner

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

theres a difference of 50mhz between the best and the worst in regards to max clockspeed. same cpu, same bios, same settings.
theres something else that confused me.

remember the old board i always mentioned that only did 1825 max dc stable?
its one of the first retail p5k3... well now it does 1900+...
i switched the cpu and wham, suddenly it runs much better.

the weird thing is, before it was running with a 6600 that could run a high fsb.
now its running a 6750... im sure i checked the fsb stability of the 6600 by using the same fsb or higher with a different mem divider. and it was stable... so i assumed that fsb was stable... but for some reason the 6600 was not stable at the same fsb when i used the 1:2 mem divider.

and the difference between the dividers must be huge, because with the other divider i could run an fsb of 500 easily and it was stable.
with the 1:2 divider i was limited to 1825, which is 455fsb.

could this be correct?
a max fsb difference between memory dividers?
and not a small one but a whooping 50mhz?
im puzzled... ill see if i can reproduce this with the 6600.

Well, a difference between dividers ( max clock speed dependency on divider ) is there ( for sure ).
But I don't remember spotting ( well, didn't tried hard :p: almost at all ) any difference in mem clocking with different CPUs.
But I think it's time to try some CPUs with the same board + settings to see if I can reproduce your findings ;) [ the more you test, the more things you need to test :D ]
09-28-2007, 09:05 AM
Kamel

Saaya, i told u p35 was not so good with E6600, better with new stepping CPU such as 6420, 6750, 6850....

So now it's confirmed... i don't know why but E6600 is not loved by P35.. maybe some bios matter in recognizing the cpu step...who knows?

Kam
09-28-2007, 10:21 AM
Fr3ak

I used a E6600ES on the Blitz and a E6750ES on the P5K3. I wonder if that might have to do with it? I tested both CPUs for max stable FSB. The E6600 does 525 MHz and the E6750 510 MHz.
09-30-2007, 11:03 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

Yeah i suspected the divider might play apart in it on an ealier blitz extreme bios i couldn't get stable using 3:5 divider at known stable cpu clock speed... swapped to 1:2 divider and was stable.

Guess also depends on the NB strap set as some straps offer the same divider.

I might have overlooked the strap setting and that could have caused the difference... :doh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenchZowner

Well, a difference between dividers ( max clock speed dependency on divider ) is there ( for sure ).
But I don't remember spotting ( well, didn't tried hard :p: almost at all ) any difference in mem clocking with different CPUs.
But I think it's time to try some CPUs with the same board + settings to see if I can reproduce your findings ;) [ the more you test, the more things you need to test :D ]

i think it was the strap, not 100% sure tho...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kamel

Saaya, i told u p35 was not so good with E6600, better with new stepping CPU such as 6420, 6750, 6850....

So now it's confirmed... i don't know why but E6600 is not loved by P35.. maybe some bios matter in recognizing the cpu step...who knows?
Kam

you had similar problems right?
did you try different straps for the 6600?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

I used a E6600ES on the Blitz and a E6750ES on the P5K3. I wonder if that might have to do with it? I tested both CPUs for max stable FSB. The E6600 does 525 MHz and the E6750 510 MHz.

i hope i didnt kill that blitz man, im really sorry if i did :(
i keep thinking about it and maybe one of the smd caps on the nb package ripped off when the nb heatsink came off? other than that... no clue...

when i first booted it the fans were spinning fast, then rebooted and fans were slow, so the board still seems to be working somewhat as it apparently went to defaults after the initial boot didnt work.

does anybody know what a debug card error code of D4 "uncompressed data fault" or something like that means? Are there any tricks on how to reflash the bios? i booted with the mobo cd in the dvd drive and hoped it would load the bios but it didnt even start to read the sata dvd drive...

Btw, the stepping of the NB on that blitz board is

LE82P35
SLA9R
L717A231

same as your eva, right?

EDIT:
L715A337
vs
L717A231

15A vs 17A and 337 vs 231 does anybody know how to read intel chipset steppings? :D
I think the latter is the datecode since freaks board is older than yours eva, at least i think so...
09-30-2007, 11:41 PM
eva2000

i think it's like cpus L715 and L717 = week 15 and 17, 2007 ???

I've swapped to P5K3 Deluxe and much better FSB/MEM clocker than my Blitz Extreme!
10-01-2007, 12:41 AM
Fr3ak

So its no coincidence. A modded P5K3 would be better for benching I guess than the Extreme. Apart from the voltage options the Extreme doesnt offer any more features. The crosslink chip is, well, not that great too.

How much better is the P5K3 over your Extreme, George?
10-01-2007, 12:46 AM
hipro5

It's ALL about the chipset P35 - they are like the CPUs - Best, better, medium, bad - ......My second Extreme does a bit worse than my first one as for getting OVER 1000MHz the rams.....:(
10-01-2007, 12:47 AM
eva2000

For my E6600 L709A958 difference in max FSB

Blitz Extreme = 485FSB max
P5K3 Deluxe = 530FSB max and 535FSB bootable but hangs in memtest86.
10-01-2007, 01:09 AM
Fr3ak

Same voltages being used?

Thats quite a big difference.... Almost like using a quadcore instead of a dual.
10-01-2007, 02:10 AM
saaya

wow, thats a huge difference!
so eva, your board is older than freaks then... do you have it for a long time already? you must have a bad blitz too then...

hipro, did you check what nb stepping your p35 is?
eva, can you check on your p5k3?

its strange that there seem to be way more blitz boards with bad nbs than p5k3s... or maybe thats just our perception since most p5k3 users dont push their boards that hard while EVERY blitz owner pushes the board to the max? :D

i have several p5k3 boards here, some with made in china pcb and some with made in taiwan pcb. ill check if theres a trend of one being better than the other.
10-01-2007, 02:38 AM
boblemagnifique

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

Le82p35
Sla9r
L715a337

:)

LE82P35
SLA9R
L716A390

For my Blitz Extreme :)
10-01-2007, 04:21 AM
saaya

ehhh ca va BOB! :D :toast:
good to have you on this thread as well hehehe
thanks for the info

how well does your blitz clock?
did you test a p5k3 so far?
thanks a lot for the dump for roger btw :toast:

olli, what was the max of your blitz again?

eva2000:
LE82P35
SlA9R
L715A337
490 FSB max/1960 DDR max?

boblemagnifique:
LE82P35
SLA9R
L716A390

Fr3ak:
LE82P35
SLA9R
L717A231
435 FSB max/1750 DDR max?
10-01-2007, 08:23 AM
eva2000

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fr3ak

Same voltages being used?

Thats quite a big difference.... Almost like using a quadcore instead of a dual.

Yeah same voltages as well as the optimal voltages to reach max FSB... the P5K3 Deluxe is clearly better for FSB

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

wow, thats a huge difference!
so eva, your board is older than freaks then... do you have it for a long time already? you must have a bad blitz too then...

hipro, did you check what nb stepping your p35 is?
eva, can you check on your p5k3?

its strange that there seem to be way more blitz boards with bad nbs than p5k3s... or maybe thats just our perception since most p5k3 users dont push their boards that hard while EVERY blitz owner pushes the board to the max? :D

i have several p5k3 boards here, some with made in china pcb and some with made in taiwan pcb. ill check if theres a trend of one being better than the other.

I've had the blitz formula/extreme sent together since July and p5k dx/p5k3 dx sent together since May so I would assume P5K3 DX might have an even older P35 core.. can't check yet as just set up the rig and all screwed into motherboard tray and all heh

All Asus boards are made in China
10-01-2007, 09:05 AM
boblemagnifique

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

ehhh ca va BOB! :D :toast:
good to have you on this thread as well hehehe
thanks for the info

how well does your blitz clock?
did you test a p5k3 so far?
thanks a lot for the dump for roger btw :toast:

olli, what was the max of your blitz again?

eva2000:
LE82P35
SlA9R
L715A337
490 FSB max/1960 DDR max?

boblemagnifique:
LE82P35
SLA9R
L716A390

Fr3ak:
LE82P35
SLA9R
L717A231
435 FSB max/1750 DDR max?

Yesss ca va et toi ? :D

For my Blitz , the First test (591x6 on water with my E6660) but now , the max is 575mhz (Flash bios :( )

572mhz stable : http://boblemagnifique36.free.fr/Ove...s/40gp32mo.jpg

I test the Corsair 1800 c7 for the moment , i can benchs spi 1mo at 1890 c7/8/9 DDR3 max (and 1900/1910 with Cellshock 1800 c7/8/9)

I test with the Supertalent 1866 on single , the max screen is 1070mhz cas 9
(max benchs spi 1mo 1960/1980 on dual cas 8/9)
10-01-2007, 11:24 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

Yeah same voltages as well as the optimal voltages to reach max FSB... the P5K3 Deluxe is clearly better for FSB

i dont think the p5k3 is generally better than the blitz, i think its just some p35 nbs sucking...

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

I've had the blitz formula/extreme sent together since July and p5k dx/p5k3 dx sent together since May so I would assume P5K3 DX might have an even older P35 core.. can't check yet as just set up the rig and all screwed into motherboard tray and all heh

hmmm well im hoping the p35 nbs are getting better, so the newer your p35nb/board the lower the chance to get a really crappy board seems to be.
the worst boards ive seen so far were very early p35 boards, and we have several p5k3 boards here which do clock different from one another, but as i said, the difference is around 50mhz, not 300mhz like some old boards.
good boards can reach 2000 stable, and the worst i saw so far can only do around 1700 stable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eva2000

All Asus boards are made in China

they are assembled in china, but the pcbs are made in china and taiwan.
im scurious if they already solder the caps and cooils and chipset onto the boards when they assembled the pcbs or not. so maybe assembled in china means they put on the heatsinks in china? who knows... it looks to me like they already put on the caps when they build the pcb, since the made in china pcbs have different caps and parts than the made in taiwan pcbs... so its 2 different boards.
what boards do you have eva freak and bob? made in china or made in taiwan?

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5529/chinags1.jpg
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/9365/taiwanxw5.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

Yesss ca va et toi ? :D

J'en la grippe :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

For my Blitz , the First test (591x6 on water with my E6660) but now , the max is 575mhz (Flash bios :( )

572mhz stable : http://boblemagnifique36.free.fr/Ove...s/40gp32mo.jpg

572fsb on water, that should prove it, the striker can do high fsbs, theres probabaly just a lot of fluctuation between p35 nbs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

I test the Corsair 1800 c7 for the moment , i can benchs spi 1mo at 1890 c7/8/9 DDR3 max (and 1900/1910 with Cellshock 1800 c7/8/9)

wait, there is no difference between cas7 8 and 9 max speed? thats very weird...

Quote:

Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

I test with the Supertalent 1866 on single , the max screen is 1070mhz cas 9
(max benchs spi 1mo 1960/1980 on dual cas 8/9)

single channel... ok... and dualchannel?

whats the max stable dc speed with your blitz?
10-25-2007, 01:36 PM
Pedro Rocha

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

i dont think the p5k3 is generally better than the blitz, i think its just some p35 nbs sucking...

I think you are right :D

Here is my quick results with Blitz Extreme and Cellshocks 1800

Air Cooled (TuniqTower)

http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/Bli...1200Sandra.jpg

http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/Bli...50_air_spi.jpg
:D

VMem 2.24v, VMch 1.75, Vll 1.8v

Mini-cascade cooled (-75ºC bios)

http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/BlitzExtreme5355.jpg

http://pedrorocha.planetaclix.pt/Bli...verestRead.JPG

VMem 2.2v, VMch 1.95v, Vpll 1.90

My Blitz Extreme Max FSB stable the E6850:
- Air - 540Mhz
- Mini-cascade - 595Mhz (just a bit less than Formula that did 605)

The Cellshocks DDR3 black sticks cost me a fortune, but they are real good .. in the next day I will test with 2 stock 2900XT in CF to check how much can improve my favorite game...

BTW : nice posts on this thread :up:
10-28-2007, 10:14 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

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At last! P5K3, BIOS set vdimm 1.9v, vmch 1.55v and look at that poor CPU lol - that's the best "stable" FSB I can get at 8x, tho I can get 475x6. Great pair of sticks though, fulifilling a bit of that early potential :D

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=260706
10-28-2007, 11:19 AM
Infa

these are my results...
it can go 2000 though, but i will adjust it better, and post results later..
but its Sweeeet mems :)

vDIMM 2.08v.

Http://hem.bredband.net/infan/cellshock/spi1m1868.JPG
Http://hem.bredband.net/infan/cellshock/spi32m1868.JPG
Http://hem.bredband.net/infan/cellsh...stread1868.JPG
Http://hem.bredband.net/infan/cellsh...restcl1868.JPG

And one 1M result with ddr2000, but it wouldnt go for 32m yet, need to adjust more.. 2.28v is this..

Http://hem.bredband.net/infan/cellshock/ddr2000.jpg
10-28-2007, 11:44 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Nice Infa :toast:

I just ran a 32m at the same settings as my 1m, no probs. If I could get a higher FSB, I'd like to try 2000 - maybe my Q6600 will get there.
10-28-2007, 12:49 PM
Infa

Thank you :) finally im in the game, been waiting a while for my stuff :)

yeh, you gotta have atleast 500fsb for the ddr2000 to work though...
best luck! hope it will work for you, now i will try to get my 32m ddr2000 to work..

regards.
10-29-2007, 11:26 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

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A prettier picture (still can't get more FSB with this chip, hit a wall) -
10-29-2007, 01:35 PM
Infa

Hmm, i just CANT get em to work ddr2000, nomather what i do, really..
i dont want to pump more than 2.3 either, but they should work with that atleast, not even cl 8, sure i got 2.06v now and typing this, and cl 8, and thats working better than more voltage, but its dead before first irretation at super pi, wont work! tried every setting...hmm.. annoying.

regards.
10-29-2007, 01:49 PM
dinos22

guys just buy X38 chipsets and you will be able to get that extra little bit and even tighten the timings somewhat :D
10-29-2007, 02:18 PM
Infa

well i got it, and it wont work, now i will push the Vdimm a bit higher to see if thats the prob, will go over 2.3 a while, hope they not will die on my, they were expensive, BUT I WANNA KNOW DAMMIT :P i want a 32m ddr2000, then im happy, i dont want it 24/7 couse my setting at 930 7-6-5-18 and 4.1ghz ARE FAST!, i just want that magic ddr2000 :P, any tip on a sucessful settinf for ddr2000?
10-29-2007, 02:24 PM
Infa

Hmm, what can be wrong? Im at 2.32v now, still same not exact on round, aswell as in 2.24, it cant be the voltage?? i did test with memtest for a few mins and not a single error, but super pi, just goes to bed?

something cant handle this, the board? some setting ive missed?
10-29-2007, 02:53 PM
stone_cold_Jimi

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dinos22

guys just buy X38 chipsets and you will be able to get that extra little bit and even tighten the timings somewhat :D

idd. My P5K3 seems to be the limiting factor - 462 FSB with my Q6600 as it turns out, pretty much the same FSB as the E2140. Infa m8, don't burn 'em, they don't like much over 2.1v afaik.

I wonder if the 0704 bios has a bit more for this.... says it's tweaked for more types of RAM. If it had a ratio above 1:2, I would like :)
10-29-2007, 03:38 PM
Infa

Noo, ive come to the conclusion that i think its my bios, its just the third out for the p5e3, it just got the Damper enabled, sooo, the errors thats happening, it just dont feels like its the rams faults in some way.......i do put it atleast bios stable CL 7-7-7-20 2000mhz 2.18, and its rock solid in memtest, noo error, but still almost allways, BSOD when loading win, or BSOD in win, or mostly NOT EXACT IN ROUND, but still error free in memtest? whats up whit that? isnt memtest suppose to be a testprogram, so if it goes error free, then the comp will be stable?

ahh well, now im at 1827mhz, 4.1ghz and 7-6-5-17, and Transaction at 3, strap at 266, Twister at strong, and only at 1.96v, but att fsb 500 and ddr2000 it just goes crap?

ahhh i hope for the next bios might be a sunshine :) , now ive been trying for 2days in a row all eveing, and it wont goo, so i'll give it up until next release.

im satisfied anyhow hehe....goin such low Cl below rated is fair enough at this speed... seems p5k series got more mature bios, couse i dont see anyone hitting 2000 with p5e3 and cellshock yet?

atleast i got to play with all the settings in p5e3 deluxe :)
just gotta get this with AI clock twister, and exactly more what it does for the mem...and how.

regards.
10-29-2007, 11:47 PM
saaya

thanks a lot pedro :toast:
that compliment from you really means a lot to me :)

Infa, dont use that much vdimm!
you dont nearly need that much for 2ghz cas8!
1.9-2v is enough to get 2ghz stable for most kits, if it doesnt run stable at that speed then its most likely the chipset limiting and not the memory.

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Originally Posted by Infa

Noo, ive come to the conclusion that i think its my bios, its just the third out for the p5e3, it just got the Damper enabled, sooo, the errors thats happening, it just dont feels like its the rams faults in some way.......i do put it atleast bios stable CL 7-7-7-20 2000mhz 2.18, and its rock solid in memtest, noo error, but still almost allways, BSOD when loading win, or BSOD in win, or mostly NOT EXACT IN ROUND, but still error free in memtest? whats up whit that? isnt memtest suppose to be a testprogram, so if it goes error free, then the comp will be stable?

if memtest passes and windows doesnt then its most likely the chipset begging for more volts and not being able to keep up. what chipset voltage are you running?

can your cpu/board handle that high fsb?
Can your cpu handle the clocks?
tried a lower multi or memory divider?

it can also be the mem, but in most cases in my experience its the chipset. so switch the sticks around, try different slots and try stick1 closer to the cpu and then stick2, this can make a huge difference on some boards.

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Originally Posted by Infa

ahh well, now im at 1827mhz, 4.1ghz and 7-6-5-17, and Transaction at 3, strap at 266, Twister at strong, and only at 1.96v, but att fsb 500 and ddr2000 it just goes crap?

ahhh i hope for the next bios might be a sunshine :) , now ive been trying for 2days in a row all eveing, and it wont goo, so i'll give it up until next release.

im satisfied anyhow hehe....goin such low Cl below rated is fair enough at this speed... seems p5k series got more mature bios, couse i dont see anyone hitting 2000 with p5e3 and cellshock yet?

atleast i got to play with all the settings in p5e3 deluxe :)
just gotta get this with AI clock twister, and exactly more what it does for the mem...and how.

regards.

hitting 2k is mostly limited by the chipset, not the memory in my experience. the same mem that can do only 1900 876 with 1.8v on one p5k3 we have here can do 1985 876 with 1.8v on another one... same settings... and its not onle one kit that behaves like that, all do so far.
Im pretty sure it all depends on the chipset.

about hitting 2k on the p5e3, ask pt1t :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=162931
10-29-2007, 11:47 PM
hipro5

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Originally Posted by Infa

well i got it, and it wont work, now i will push the Vdimm a bit higher to see if thats the prob, will go over 2.3 a while, hope they not will die on my, they were expensive, BUT I WANNA KNOW DAMMIT :P i want a 32m ddr2000, then im happy, i dont want it 24/7 couse my setting at 930 7-6-5-18 and 4.1ghz ARE FAST!, i just want that magic ddr2000 :P, any tip on a sucessful settinf for ddr2000?

Beware that NOT ALL P35 can get them ABOVE 2000MHz......It's chipset related and not rams..... ;)
One of my Blitz Extreme could get mine at 2070MHz and the other one with the EXACT SAME config/voltages, couldn't take them over 1960MHz.... ;)
10-30-2007, 04:33 AM
saaya

Hi George,

so you made the same experience...
Did more vmch help?
Did you think about changing the nb already? :D
If anybody can do it its you :D
Our guys here told me they can remove the chipset easily, but soldering back is something they dont even want to try :D

i wonder if a p35 could work on an x38 mainboard.... and if it would still be 16x 16x :D
But i dont think so... if intel wouldnt lock it then im sure some asian mb mfg would already have made a p35 where we can unlock something to have 16x 16x
10-30-2007, 05:11 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Hey saaya, have you tried the 0704 BIOS on the P5K3 yet? I want to know if it helps der WunderCellShocks :)
10-30-2007, 07:08 AM
Infa

Saaya, thanks for you answer, Im feeling a little better now that ur saying this :)

Yes my cpu can handle 510fsb in another MB.
Dunno if the board can handle it, but its an all new x38, it should really take 500fsb atleast..i think, but you'll never know...

i've tried max 1.91 vNB, didnt help, sweetspot for an error free memtest at CL7 2000mhz, was 2.18v.. but it was a no goo, i really cant get it to even do a Super-pi 1MB, load windows i can get it to do, but it crashes easy..

no i dont use that high vDimm , just wanna try if it was that, but now i know that it isnt, maybe i got a bad board? gaah..cant afford to buy a new just to take a chance that its better..

no i havent tried lower, couse im looking for a high cpu speed, aswell as high mem, so im not interested if it goes ddr2000 at 3.6, when i can use 4.1ghz :)

Im running them in the black slots, tried the orange, but that was noticible worse.. so Dual channel in the black ones i do..
Maybe its the bios? perhaps i should try to work it with an older bios, 301 or 402.. i really hope its the bios...

so 9x456 ddr 1827 7-6-5-16 goes fine at 1.96-2.00v... ahh well... maybe i can sell it to someone and get another one....its not broken so i cant return it..
really a bummer, so close :)

and another thing, i dont have That express thing on my boad, not even physically ON the board... thought all p5e3 deluxe came with that? really strange, its a Rev 1.03G board.

regards.
10-30-2007, 08:00 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by stone_cold_Jimi

Hey saaya, have you tried the 0704 BIOS on the P5K3 yet? I want to know if it helps der WunderCellShocks :)

I got the 0704 beta 2 months ago or so, i didnt have time to use it but passed it on to 2 people and both said they didnt see a difference.

I dont think new bios versions will bring a lot of improvements, all they will do is probably fix any issues that they find, which is fair enough, its not like the p5k3 performs or ocs bad :D

The problems really do depend on the chipset im 99% sure about that.
I just talked to a reviewer who tried 4 or 5 boards, p35 and x38 from different manufacturers and the max memclocks are all over the place. some nbs clock well some dont, it seems to be the same for p35 as for x38, only that x38 for some reason needs slightly less vmch to get high mem clocks and doesnt boot with more than 1.55v chipset voltage more or less... I think intel bound vmch to some other voltage for the x38 chipset so it scales better with less volts but doesnt like high volts.

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Originally Posted by Infa

Saaya, thanks for you answer, Im feeling a little better now that ur saying this :)

Yes my cpu can handle 510fsb in another MB.
Dunno if the board can handle it, but its an all new x38, it should really take 500fsb atleast..i think, but you'll never know...

well... i suspect x38 and p35 to be identical in that regard as well, with p35 the ddr3 boards seem to clock fsbs around 20mhz worse than their ddr2 counterparts. So i suspect x38 will not clock that well fsb wise, but not much worse, 20mhz maybe 30mhz in a bad case.

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Originally Posted by Infa

i've tried max 1.91 vNB, didnt help, sweetspot for an error free memtest at CL7 2000mhz, was 2.18v.. but it was a no goo, i really cant get it to even do a Super-pi 1MB, load windows i can get it to do, but it crashes easy..

sounds like a bad nb to me... :(
the chipset is cooled well and all?

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Originally Posted by Infa

no i dont use that high vDimm , just wanna try if it was that, but now i know that it isnt, maybe i got a bad board? gaah..cant afford to buy a new just to take a chance that its better..

sucks... well i recommend everybody the same thing, if you want to go ddr3 buy 3 boards, keep the best, and sell the other two on forums or ebay for less than the retail price. you will lose some money on each board but in the end youll have a really good board and buying 3 p5k3s and selling 2 with a loss of 50 euros each means you spent the same or less as buying a maximus formula.
and if you dont run xfire theres really no need at all to buy an x38 board anyways, at least thats my opinion. memory wise there is 0 difference.

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Originally Posted by Infa

no i havent tried lower, couse im looking for a high cpu speed, aswell as high mem, so im not interested if it goes ddr2000 at 3.6, when i can use 4.1ghz :)

try less and work your way up slowly.
thats the best way to find out whats holding you back as well, if you notice that more vdimm just doesnt help then its pretty clear its the chipset.

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Originally Posted by Infa

Im running them in the black slots, tried the orange, but that was noticible worse.. so Dual channel in the black ones i do..
Maybe its the bios? perhaps i should try to work it with an older bios, 301 or 402.. i really hope its the bios...

dont think that makes a difference... : /

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Originally Posted by Infa

so 9x456 ddr 1827 7-6-5-16 goes fine at 1.96-2.00v... ahh well... maybe i can sell it to someone and get another one....its not broken so i cant return it..
really a bummer, so close :)

1827... thats the max you can get stable in dc? damn... thats a bad board you got there... make sure its not the cpu, play with the fsb straps or better yet try a 1333 cpu if a friend of you has one and see if the limit is the same.

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Originally Posted by Infa

and another thing, i dont have That express thing on my boad, not even physically ON the board... thought all p5e3 deluxe came with that? really strange, its a Rev 1.03G board.
regards.

oh you mean that pciE controller chip?
i think only the maximus and blitz have it. the blitz to create artificial 8x8x and the maximus to create artificial 16x8x8x for tripple xfire and sli.
you have 16x16 atm, so unless you plan to run tripple xifre as soon as its out theres no need for that chip anyways :)
10-30-2007, 08:34 AM
Infa

Hmm, you say that X38 dont like high volts, actually i havent tried 1.55, to see if it is that im using to HIGH vMCH? If it is like that with the dimm, why not NB?

No, i can get it stable higher, but as i said :) im looking for high cpu speed..so im allways using the 1:2 Divider which is the highest divider..

And i am using a 6850...so its a 1333fsb cpu :)
i will try lower volts in the MB settings overall and see how it works.

I got a fan blowing on the mems aswell as NB, it never rises above 35c, think thats low enough :)

And no i didnt mean pci-e , i ment the "splashtop" thing, on the board there are supposed to be a "usb" between the Pci-e..i dont got that, its not even in the bios either.

Tried all Straps, 200 no boot, and on every other one, it boots and behaves the same, 266,333,400,auto.

No, more vdimm helps to a certain point..then it doesnt help anymore, and like i said before, maybe im using to high vMCH? i never go below 1.60.

i WILL get it to work..hehe..the damn board aint gonna win before ive tried ALL.
10-30-2007, 11:43 PM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Infa

Hmm, you say that X38 dont like high volts, actually i havent tried 1.55, to see if it is that im using to HIGH vMCH? If it is like that with the dimm, why not NB?

well i dont know what the default nb voltage for x38 is, for p35 its 1.25v afaik, on x38 gigabyte +0.375 seems to bee too much and +0.300v seems to work. and on asus boards a few people said the sweet spot is between 1.5 and 1.55v.

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Originally Posted by Infa

And i am using a 6850...so its a 1333fsb cpu :)
i will try lower volts in the MB settings overall and see how it works.

ahh nevermind then :p:

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Originally Posted by Infa

I got a fan blowing on the mems aswell as NB, it never rises above 35c, think thats low enough :)

good!

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Originally Posted by Infa

And no i didnt mean pci-e , i ment the "splashtop" thing, on the board there are supposed to be a "usb" between the Pci-e..i dont got that, its not even in the bios either.

no idea what you mean... :confused:

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Originally Posted by Infa

more vdimm helps to a certain point..then it doesnt help anymore, and like i said before, maybe im using to high vMCH? i never go below 1.60.

try less....

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Originally Posted by Infa

i WILL get it to work..hehe..the damn board aint gonna win before ive tried ALL.

well i just hope you can do that without killing any hardware, you shouldnt increase volts more and more and more without even knowing if those high volts are necessary or not :P Your went nuts with vdimm and running 1.6v chipset from the start is overkill as well, you should start low and work your way up to see what volts you need to bump up and how much :)
10-31-2007, 12:03 AM
Infa

yep, will try when i get home today :) *cross my fingers*
the RAM's can so easy handle 2000, (Very good German Qualtity :)) and i really want it to work.

and yes, i mean the splashtop, thats the Linux Enviroment that is suppose to come with p5e3 deluxe that everyone was talking about, i dont have it for some reason? maybe a early revision? or a late, where they have removed it?

I got a taste for cellshock now, and will by it more times, i like the solid Heatspreaders that are put on them, it just feels quality and that u guys are good at this, not atleast the top performance that you have deliviered for some time now :) , appriciate that you are here as a rep, and a big helper nomather what :) thanks!

yeah, the rams are almost as cold as the air blowing on them..ddr3 are cold compared to ddr2.. even with 2v.

yeah im a fan of high volts, ive allways thhought higher were nescessery to push it, so im used to start high hehe, i killed my striker that way i guess, but the board sucked anyway ;) but that was before, now the technology has improved i guess... :)

Regards.
10-31-2007, 02:41 AM
saaya

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Originally Posted by Infa

yep, will try when i get home today :) *cross my fingers*
the RAM's can so easy handle 2000, (Very good German Qualtity :)) and i really want it to work.

and yes, i mean the splashtop, thats the Linux Enviroment that is suppose to come with p5e3 deluxe that everyone was talking about, i dont have it for some reason? maybe a early revision? or a late, where they have removed it?

ah... good questions... too bad it doesnt seem to come with all boards... it sounded really interesting... ask asus support?

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Originally Posted by Infa

I got a taste for cellshock now, and will by it more times, i like the solid Heatspreaders that are put on them, it just feels quality and that u guys are good at this, not atleast the top performance that you have deliviered for some time now :) , appriciate that you are here as a rep, and a big helper nomather what :) thanks!

your welcome :toast:
I regret that i dont have more time to spend here... atm i dont have internet at home which really annoys me :D

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Originally Posted by Infa

yeah, the rams are almost as cold as the air blowing on them..ddr3 are cold compared to ddr2.. even with 2v.

yeah i never understood why some ocz and i think it was mushkin? reps said ddr3 would be much hotter than ddr2. maybe the samsung ddr3 they had initially ran very hot. I really gotta say, this micron ddr3 memory never stops to amaze me, awesome job micron guys! :toast:

it clocks incredibly high, can run almost any cas latency, performs very well, runs cool and doesnt seem to die all the sudden like D9GMH/D9GKX (not yet, fingers crossed! :D)
10-31-2007, 11:16 AM
stone_cold_Jimi

Forgot to say congrats Pedro, that is an FSB to die for m8 - awesome figures. Tweak those sticks some more please! :up:
11-01-2007, 12:04 AM
Infa

now ive tried lower NB volts, and it behaves exactly the same, wich i then have figured out that my board just cant do ddr2000 stable...that sucks.

1900 cl7 it can do without a glitch, but not 1960.. so i have a crappy board and im not satisfied with that...hmmm..and i have to buy a new one before i sell my old one if thats the case...ahh well..

When are the maximus Extreme due to the market?

regards.
11-01-2007, 01:17 AM
metro.cl

Victor all settings are boot from BIOS?
11-01-2007, 10:53 AM
Pt1t

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

Victor all settings are boot from BIOS?

Me it s stable like him but i have to boot @ 470 ;) . I dont know why he can boot @ 500mhz ...
11-01-2007, 11:01 AM
NapalmV5

@ 420$ its very tempting
11-02-2007, 12:00 AM
saaya

infa, your board isnt "bad" if it can run "only" 1900 dc stable or thereabouts, but yeah, there are def better boards/nbs out there... as i said most boards i have here can do 1925-1975 more or less... so they are all close to 2ghz but no way to get it stable so far... gotta try a vmch vmod :D
02-11-2008, 06:43 AM
boblemagnifique

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Originally Posted by boblemagnifique

LE82P35
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For my Blitz Extreme :)

My new Blitz Extreme :

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02-11-2008, 12:46 PM
vanovich

nice stuff pedro

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