just barely....
still, good work though, im sure you feel like its 80 bucks well spent ;)
:clap: vapor :clap:
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just barely....
still, good work though, im sure you feel like its 80 bucks well spent ;)
:clap: vapor :clap:
Lol....not $80 in and of itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by enz660
But the data, yeah.....close to $80, so I guess I got a free (and great looking) HSF out of it. :p:
Also beats the Infinity (my previous best HSF), so it's a good #2 HSF that I need. I do like to run my E6700 hotter than that, so it'll probably be equal to the Ultra-120eX with dual 1200RPM fans with settings I end up running (3.6GHz 1.52V I imagine).
I will do low-load testing tomorrow (2.66GHz, 1.3V). Just did Ultra-120eX with dual San Aces for kicks, dT of 18.7C :lol:
Single San Ace @ 5V (tiny bit more airflow than the S-Flex E) pulled a dT of 21.8C :rolleyes: I don't think this test is going to say a whole lot....but w/e.....
Thank you for the link! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by cantankerous
Wow...$25 shipped for 1 fan. :doh:
....*Goes into silent consideration mode.
Well, just worked thru all the 1, 2, or 3 YL 14cm fan combos. I will start my own thread tomorrow. As far as I could see, Vapor's testing was all done with 120mm fans, which I'll get to. I've got to say, I'm personally very impressed with the sound:performance of this heatsink with 140mm fans. I've never had so quiet performance. In fact I cannot hear the fans at all (altho I am not by any means a silent pc person), yet I am running small FFTs on an e6600 at 9*400 1.4275v with 85f ambient. I would never have thought that was possible.
Is it worth the extra $30? Not sure. But I've got to say, even my previous Ultra120X with a panaflo at 5v is very loud in comparison.
US$7 fan! YL D14SM-12, 62cfm, 29dB.
i am interested n seeing how the IFX will perform using 2x120x25mm fans on each side and a 120x38 fan in the middle @7v
Today I recived my IFX
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1...0035cl8.th.jpg
As you can see unlike Vapor's, mine had foam between the fins
nice, seems that vapor's was a pre-retail or something
waiting for ur results
vapor could you show pictures of the mod with mastic tape ?
very interesting results with the dual-core.
Unless your's being bent in the box somehow broke it and other people get better results then ill be getting a ultra120 extreme as i want to go quad core
Another design flaw I've settled on:
Heatpipe placement in the radiators. Look at the Ultra-120(eX) and the Infinity and where their heatpipes are in relation to the airflow....they're along the outside of the radiator! All radiators in push will force airflow to outside (with the types of fans we use and they're designed for), how much they do it is influenced by fin design and there's a balance to be found (the first issue I have with the IFX-14's design).
Looking at the IFX-14, the two main heatpipes (the ones in the middle), STAY in the middle, even through the radiator. They getmuch too little airflow there, IMO. Heck, some fan hubs are wider than where the heatpipes are, not good! (yes, you get airflow at the top and bottom of it, but that's not much cooling in the scheme of things)
Oh, and BTW, the nickel plating is REALLLY thin on the IFX-14. After only three mounts, it's already wearing down along the edges and I can see copper.
Alright, all HSF comparo results are in.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6...cture13gx3.png
Looks like the IFX-14 has a sweet spot where the medium load testing was as it has fallen behind a little again :(
Now time to tweak the IFX and the Ultra-120eX and see where they end up after some work is done :)
EDIT: also, the mastic mod :)
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4...sticmodij6.jpg
however the temp differences between the 120x and ifx are not that great, i guess it wouldn't be practical to switch to the ifx if you already have the 120x.
vapor, before I send the IFX back and buy a 120X, what do you think of the cooler in a P182?
the orientation of the case fans has got me thinking it may give the IFX a slight boost since there will be a fan on the "side" of the IFX where you can't normally mount one and the airflow from it will be going directly over the heatpipes - none of them are in the middle although they are all lined up in front of each other
also, if my goal is E6600 @ 3.6GHz w/ Scythe E fan, do you think it's worth the trouble of swapping?
thanks
I honestly don't know how it would perform in a case....
If you're only lookin 2 get 3.6ghz its not that difficult...
lookin forward to the final results, thx for all the testing vapor, ill decide on it wheter i buy an ultra 120ex or the ifx-14 (:
Wow, I am sorely disappointed! I was talking this cooler up to my roommate as the next BIG THING. Vapor, thanks for the results as usual bro!! Great information as always.
--^
sadly true
i think i am going to get the ultra120x
Ultima-90 is the next (little) big thing. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eightballrj
Smaller size for the people that can't fit a 120mm HS/F in their cases, but it (supposedly) will cool as good as the Ultra-120, if not better.
....and if the pricing of $44.99 holds true, it's a great addition to Thermalright's line-up for the "space-challenged".
ive used this to decide that im going to be buying an ultra-120-extreme....Quote:
Originally Posted by nike
same here, i was saying at work last week just how good it will be and im DEFINATLY buying one... dohQuote:
Originally Posted by Eightballrj
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by SaFrOuT
Well there's reason to believe the IFX-14 is underperforming, at least here.
I have it on a QX6700 at 3.33GHz at 1.35Vcore under load and the core temps are 80,81,77,77 and overall CPU temp is 62C. The heatsink however is mild at most, not even warm or hot. Even if I attempt some finger gymnatics and touch a heatpipe, it's also mild at best leading one to believe the heatsink isn't being overworked with lots of heat capacity.
Maybe the heat isn't being transferred too well or is being transferred superbly causing it to dissipate.
I have 2x 1200rpm Revoltec 120mm fans on mine.
The base looked very good when I got it, not shiny but well sanded and even (checked from various angles with a flat piece of paper).
hey Vapor, super comparison!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
have you been offered a Tuniq to test in this comparison?...i can send you mine to test so you can include it in your results...i just would like it back once finished...i can send you round trip postage so it won't cost you anything but time...LMK
as to the heat issue with this IFX-14 HS; IMO, i think this heatsink has an engineering design flaw.
i saw you mention about the inner 2 pipes were more to the middle of the HS versus being located to the outer edges in relation to fan flow and fan hub size...my observation about the overall HS is this: you have a problem of dissipating the heat from the 1st heatpipe high rise to not influence the heat dissipation off the 2nd heatpipe high rise...higher case temperature caused by the heat exchange off the 1st heatpipe high rise NOW passing through and maybe around the 2nd heatpipe high rise is the downfall of this pipe....personally, a poor design especially when you consider this beast in a closed case.
i would think TR would have better served themselves by just producing the secondary heat pipe to be added on to the Ultra Xtreme...NOW...that seems like a better thing to help the Ultra along with more heat dissipation.
anyway, if you are interested in test comparison with the Tuniq, i would be happy to send it to you roundtrip:)
Right, perhaps there is a design flaw but it still makes one wonder why TR didn't conclude such itself and why is it only now with the cooler released, that this flaw or flaws are being discovered? You would have thought TR doesn't just make a design and calls it time for golf but actually does lots of testing to validate their designs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
We still haven't heard from anyone whose lapped their IFX-14.
As for me, all I know is that the IFX-14 heatsink doesn't seem to get warm or hot even when put on a quad, which seems strange. Mine's not lapped either and I don't think it's a contact error, seems to be sitting very flat.
As it stands, I'm having a hard time believing TR would release a subpar product and give it a brave name such as "Fire extinguisher" suggesting it's the best there is. Just seems ilogical.
man, TR is in business to make money just like the mobo companies and we all know they have come out with some duzzies, bad boards.;)
Right, but also consider that they look upon themselves as the best in air coolers out there so self handily admit they're a premium brand. They have a statement to live up to, given they based the IFX-14 off of their 120U I find it hard to imagine them thinking oh okay guys, this time we'll make a crap cooler just for fun since we don't care how it performs, only our CFO does and hell he's out playing golf anyway, bad for him and good for us. The market's too competitive for this kind of approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
[QUOTE=GFORCE100;2346143]
We still haven't heard from anyone whose lapped their IFX-14.
QUOTE]
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=153027
Quote:
Originally Posted by GFORCE100
:D i'm not saying they start out with the idea of giving us a crappy or sub-par HS but development is sometimes rushed to the curb when it isn't quite ready for prime time....Asus, a prime time mobo maker, has been guilty of this MANY times!:)
...
Awesome pics :) thanks for sharing!
And keep us updated with results :D
I don't think the inner heatpipes are running hotter. Mine certainly feel the same temp as the outer pipes.
RE: the pipes not feeling *hot*, I surmise that that's due to the cooled water that condenses on the pipes. Remember, that cool water wicking back to the base is what cools the cpu.
cognoscenti, motherboard on carpet=:down:
QFT - :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
But hey, shes a female overclocker :) so thats a plus... And are those SLI ultras?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bail_w
Sorry to be off topic, but I feel bad for your power supply, and for you energy bill :p:
Wait? So is the Ultra 120 Extreme actually performing better than the IFX-14?
yes!Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
i am disappointed in TR's IFX-14 design...its flawed in my opinion.
I wonder the same. What about with a 14cm fan on the IFX-14? (It seems to be made for 140mm fans, no?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Emerica
one last shot...talk to me bro.;)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Hey...sorry for not checking in, been super busy recently. Also going out of town starting tomorrow through Tuesday/Wednesday....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Anyway, I'd love to try out the Tuniq and put it through the wringer compared to my coolers, but I just don't think I'll have the time :(
ok...thought to ask since i know a few want to see the comparison...i perfectly understand about the time element...if you change your mind let me know...i made the same offer to "Navig" but i haven't heard a response from him...first come, first serve.;)
anyone tried to mount the ifx on a d975xbx2?
it will only fit with the fans blowing "up" :mad:
the clips that screw into the backplate hit the flame heatsinks on the top of the board if you try to install it the other way
It fits perfectly fine in both directions for me...my flamesinks may not encroach on the socket as much though...it's definitely close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
yeah I tried it again and it works, but I found another problem - the backplate cooler won't fit in my P182 and without that the temps are really gonna suck compared to a U120XQuote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
I'm gonna order the U120X like I should have 3 months ago, guess I'll have to wait another week to put everything together
Mine didn't. I put the two mount pieces running from the front of the case to the back. You can see my fans are blowing from the front to the rear in my IFX thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ender17
i agree...IMHO. the Ultra-120Ex has 6 heatpipes, while the IFX-14 has only 4.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
has anyone tried comparing the Ultra-120EX with the HR-01 Plus? considering both have 6 heatpipes & can mount 2x 120mm fans.:rolleyes:
for the last time...Quote:
Originally Posted by emoners
those are 8mm heatpipes, they are BIGGER than the ultra 120's six.
Well, I just installed mine. And I kinda wish I didn't buy the IFX... I get the same idle temp as the Ninja and if not worse.
e6600 @ 3.6 1.54v Idle = 54c Load = 85c
ahh well at least it looks cool in my case, oh wait the back plate hsf doesn't fit in my P180 case.
That might just be your problem. It adds more pressure to the mount.Quote:
Originally Posted by mono666
Now that you've mention it, I should try it with the back plate outside of my case. P180 is too small...:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by lad
EDIT: You are right Lad, the IFX does need the back plate to give the pressure it needs. now the temp dropped to 39 idle and 60 load outside of the case. That is freaking awsome!! Thanks for the help dude!
if it's man made it can be man "unmade" ;FQuote:
Originally Posted by tiro_uspsss
Hey people, sorry to be a lil off topic but I just gotta know.....
Has anyone fitted this heat-sink to a Gigabyte P35-DQ6 (rev 1)?
This motherboard uses an overly elaborate NB and Mosfet heat-sink.
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/110...ere/index.html
I'm concerned that I may not be able to use it with the IFX-14! :-(
There's a new revision with a more streamline heat-sink but I already bought my P35-DQ6 6wks ago*
Cheers,
jed
*haven't unpacked it yet, but I just know I'm going to have probs if I try to bring it back
Quote:
Originally Posted by enz660
SO:) ...sounds like a trade off to me, four 8mm heatpipes versus six 6mm heat pipes
If my very quick research is correct,
6 x 6mm heatpipes have a total circumference (fin contact area) of 112.8
4 x 8mm heatpipes have a total circumference (fin contact area) of 100.4
BUT
6 x 6 have an internal area (flow area) of 169.8
4 x 8 have an internal area (flow area) of 201.2
Circumference = pi * diameter
Area = pi * (radius squared)
which is why I am so contused as to why this heatsink performs so poorly considering its little brother is less expensive, and has less surface area.Quote:
Originally Posted by lad
imho the reason is the placement of the heatpipes , unlike the Ultra where they are infront of the air coming from the fan
i agree with you, SaFrOuT...engineering two towers of heatpipes, IMO, was/is the downfall of IFX-14....outside of the case, not as big of a problem...but...inside the case, where does the heat go coming off from the first heatpipe tower...i think some of that heat gets dispersed inside the case and the rest passes over/through the 2nd tower.
the only way this heatsink would perform well is if the two towers were side-by-side...but we all know space would be the problem...the heatsink would be to big for anyone's case or to even fit on any mobo.
great test. personally, i'm very happy that Infinity is still good enough :).
Vapor, do you have BigTyphoonVX? or it's not much better than BigTyphoon?
VX only got a higher rpm fan with higher rated cfm and dba
SaFrOuT, i heard it has better surface... thanks.
ic, never heard about that before
all i know is that it has better kit
Big Typhoon VX is the EXACT same thing as the Big Typhoon....except it comes with a 2000RPM fan (vs. 1200RPM) and has a push-pin mounting.
The one I tested was 100% VX and the mounting really made the results as bad as they are (and the base, my Big Typhoon's base, although bad, is better than my VX's base). Even though the results are IMO bad, they're still indicative of any Big Typhoon.
After lots and lots of thinking here's my beef with the IFX-14:
1) heatpipes:
1a) 8mm heatpipes carry a higher load, but only four of them has a 10% decrease in contact....contact area is CRUCIAL since heatpipes transfer heat at TWO points (base and fins), hence a lack of contact is 'doubled' (mathematically, I'm not sure what it is actually, maybe squared).
1b) the placement is off. The middle heatpipes carry the majority of the load and just don't get enough airflow
2) fins:
2a) the flame shape combined with the density of the fins is a really, really poor design. This is not a minor design flaw. It's major.
2b) density and/or lack of passthrough. Since the flame shape allows for no lateral flow, at least they should lower the density or have vertical passthrough
3) 140mm -- it's a marketing ploy and shouldn't have been designed for. Not saying it's an actual deterrent, but time spent on A means less time with B.
Things NOT wrong with:
1) two-tower design. It works with the Scythe Mine, it works with the Tuniq Tower, etc. The 2nd tower is not 100% efficient....but it's an easy 'free' gain of an extra 60% (IIRC from the H2O section calculations)
2) mounting. No one ever accused the mounting on the IFX-14 of being weak, let's keep it that way.
3) Base quality. The nickel plating is NOTHING....after a few mounts it's already wearing away on mine.
EDIT: let's keep things in perspective here though: it's not like its results are in the peanut-gallery. It's a very strong HSF that doesn't keep up with an EXCELLENT HSF (Ultra-120 eX), but at a higher pricetag.
What the hell is the "peanut gallery" anyways? (My second grade teacher used that all the time and I never got what it meant)
Off to the side, unimportant. In this case (not how it's meant to be used), in the peanut-gallery = "bad."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
I think the term "peanut gallery' refers to the audience of children from the Howdy Doody show in the 50's. So it came into common use 'hey, no more comments from the peanut gallery'.
I'd like to add an addendum of further thought regarding the IFX-14
I think the reason why the IFX-14 did relatively best on the OC'd E6700, despite being the *middle* load was because of the increased power density.
Not sure how to describe this from a heatflow point of view, but it seems that's the biggest difference. It wasn't a super high load, but the power density was highest.
On ultra-high clocked dual cores, IFX-14 may yet win....but not by much.
I will not be investigating this, I have 24/7 use of both my Ultra-120 eX and IFX-14, but it's just a thought :)
Vapor for a HTPC/PVR that may occasionally be used for gaming and "may" be OC'd from time to time (e6420). Does the ifx-14 have the edge in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
No. Not even 2nd.
HR-01+ for a HTPC. HTPCs should be dead silent, IMO.
If you want noise, Ultra-120 eX.
some heatsinks shine with a dual core but put them with a quad core, its pitiful;)
IFX-14 was def not pitiful....but it wasn't the beast that it looks like either.
i agree!:up:
So you feel, from a pure 'cooling performance' perspective (noise it not an issue for me)...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
That the 120-eXtreme is better?
It's just that....
I've read through the entire thread (along with navigs) & you both seem to have different opinions.
So I'm no wiser and even more confused?!!? :-)
IFX-14 can mount more fans for me which cause it to beat my ultra eX. HR-01+ beats both of them but for HTPC a passive solution would be best.
Thanks Ar3s, think I'm erring more towards 120x, IFX-14 just doesn't seem to be justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ar3s
I'll wait on a response from Vapor though.
Nice avatar, where'd you get it? It's an animation right?
Just go for the Ultra-120eX.
ah yeah thats true. i got my ifx-14 cheaper than the ultra 120 eX then sold my ultra 120 eX thats why i like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
its not an animation thats a real chick.. :rofl:
Nice jubblies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ar3s
ah :banana::banana::banana::banana: it, I think I will, i think you can mod the 120x for more fans anyways so.... Thanks for the quantitative analysis vapor, amazes me people can find the time, you do an invaluable service to the tech commune!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ar3s
Really?!!!? A real chick, you sure?!? Looks kinda synthetic that image.
But I agree with Kilyin, nice "jubblies", I'd love to play with them ;-P
Where'd you find the image??
That may be a real chick, but I don't think the jubblies are:DQuote:
Originally Posted by jalyst
i built my machine at the beginning of the year and chose the ultra 120 because of reviews over the scythe. the ultra 120 having less surface area would make you think it wouldnt cool aswell but it did it better.
the one i have has only 4 heatpipes (if only i waited a month for the ultra x) but after lapping it and the processor im getting temps of 19-22 degrees idle.
i think manufacturer's should spend more time on the cpu contact surface instead of more metal & more elaborate fins / layout. the extra weight isnt great either, watch them sag in a tower case!
i wish that was true too but this girl doesn't want to show off the work done to them. That would be a first to find a girl that is shy about them after having them enlarged. I'm going with real, unbelievable huge jubblies. I was just surfing around for a wallpaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Retro
Unfortunatelly no, here's the graph from our review:Quote:
Originally Posted by NickS
http://www.oc-lab2.com/slika.php?img...fx14/temps.jpg
* vodno = water cooling
One more graph - Infinity vs. Ultra-120 vs. Gemin II vs. water cooling* (vodno hlajenje)
http://www.oc-lab2.com/slika.php?img...lerji/graf.jpg
the vodno looks to be a very easy setup..right or wrong?
Looks like my power density theory is still standing....you guys push your dual core hotter than I did and the IFX-14 manages a true (but small) win.Quote:
Originally Posted by tiborrr
I honestly wonder if orientation on a quad core will make much of a difference (being dual die and all).
i wonder how my modded infinity performs compared to the ultra 120 extreme...
prob the same ;)
Probably close, yeah....Ultra-120eX can be modded too though....
what kinda delta t does the u120e get under load at stock speeds? Or whatever speeds?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
@Ace: Not really, EK new prototype CPU waterblock (yes, we're buddies of EK ;)), Iwaki 30 (japan motor) pump, Nexxxos Extreme 2 with 2 Panaflo 38mm fans. GPU (R600) has it's own water loops with tripple 120mm rad.
thanks vapour
nice write up. Glad i didnt wait on this beast.
good too see panaflow M1 and denki single doing just as good as push pull configs.
man that HS is just huge. stupid imo