there must be a way to get some of those ES chips. i was going to sell my E6600 but i pass
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there must be a way to get some of those ES chips. i was going to sell my E6600 but i pass
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Originally Posted by OBR
Which MOBO are using on this OC?
I feel as if we are on the brink. It seems to me that very soon all the new apps will take great advantage of multi core chips.....so why is everyone directing more attention to e6750, e6850 ect rather than the Q chips?
@ You're age I was making $29.00 hr back in the early 90's seems like the wage is getting less!@Quote:
Originally Posted by michaLcoughliN
Sorry screen freezeQuote:
Originally Posted by JustChill
I think it depends on what each person will be using the e6850 or Q6600 on.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustChill
If one only plays DX9 GAMES then the e6850 with the higher OC will be better. If you want to play DX10 games now and use photoshop editing, nero burning ect.. Then the Q6600 chips would be better. I plan on buying the high end $1k Quad core Penryn when it comes out for my 2nd build. I will get my e6850 on Tuesday..
I don't spend much of my PC time gaming maybe these day's about 5% out of the whole so I opted for a Q6600 G0 Stepping chip pre order from Tank Guys seemed like more of the logical choice seeing how even at 3.2ghz will rape the livin be jesus out of the E6850 @ 4ghz 2 cores:clap:
Not in gaming! But in overall apps it will. I placed my order with tankguys too, but canceled my ordered on the Q6600. I feel I use the e6850 and maybe buy the Q6600 else where if I can find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Hey yall thanks for the info on these go chips.
I'm holding out with this e6600 @ 3.6 1.4v 24/7 until some Penryn action comes out. I've been banging on this thing for literally about 14 -16 hours a day since May on the P5k-dlx. Running Photoshop and illustrator while downloading and listening to music and taking and occasional break from design to play oblivion or Quake 4. No problems whatsoever. I'll be happy with this for at least another year.
Edit - I'm also Orthos stable up to 3.8. So that being said I won't go to a GO chip unless people start reporting 4ghz + on air with less than 1.5 v. Otherwise it's just not worth it to spend $230 for such a small difference..
Looks like the retail boxed G0 Q6600 are still not out yet, can't seem to find a single post on them on the www so far.
:(
I don't expect very many to show up soon. With the price drop, most will be trying to clear out inventory before ordering more I assume. I have a preorder with tankguys and my local fry's will let me know if they get any. I'm holding out for the Q6600's. I've already got chips that are 3.8Ghz orthos stable so no need for the 6X50's for me.:)
Locally, all the E6x50 series range are already being sold except for the Q6600 which makes me wonder if they are ready for retail at all by the 22nd.
Guess not just yet.
only if the apps you use can take advantage of the 4 cores, otherwise the dual core spanks the lower clocked quad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
it sounds like you will probably get the benefit out of the quad but i'm guessing quite a few ppl will sell nice dual core chips for an avg quad and lose out in the end.
Working with Dream Weaver and CS3 or illustrator is pretty darn system taxing!
Very disappointing thread but informative never the less....sounds like ill wait for Penryn before i replace my QX6700 ...
just got my e6850 719b019!
A guy at HFR managed to hit 4.1Ghz with a similar batch (719b056) on nexxuss WC
http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Overclo...4.htm#t1596193
Im sure better stuff will make its way into the market :)
I will get 6750 on monday. Will post results :)
"B" chips already :yepp:
Come on tankguys, PLEASE GET YOUR CHIPS SOON (1 can only hope!)
I get my e6850 on Tuesday I hope it will "GO". I will be happy with 4.0GHz stable on water...Comming from a Opty 165 3.0GHz.
And you may be more ready for those 45nm than you realised, your mobo's official a-OK for Penryn!Quote:
Originally Posted by sdumper
http://event.asus.com/mb/45nm/
shouldn't be a problem unless you have very crappy chip, 3.0Ghz stock speed on E6850 so 4.0Ghz on water is easily done!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lu(ky
the e6850 really rocks!
e6850@3.8Ghz, fsb@423, ram sync, vcore@1.38v on air (cnps8700) with p5k-vm:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9117/3800tq7.jpg
Are Q6600 G0 really Better than Q6600 B3 for overclocing?
how much?
Geez.. Why would anyone buy these new E6X50 chips? My E6600 from week 26th of 2006 does 3.60GHz with 1.31V (BIOS) - 1.27~1.29V (Windows). Yeah maybe X6850 is binned better and could do ~4.0GHz, but at what vCore? Is it worth it? Plus the lower multiplier and looser strap... The only thing going for them looks like lower temps to me.
Anyone who already has an E6x00 and wants to upgrade has only 1 choice - Q6600.
And I really hope this ES frenzy to come to an end. We all know what Intel did with E6600/E6700/X6800 when it was launched last year. As much as it's possible that the new stepping ES represent an improved overclocking, it's just as possible that it's another round of.. well you know what.
Besides, most folks have no access to ES chips and once retail chips become available verdicts will be out soon enough. Or at least wait for more legitimate reviews from reputable sites. (Intel even fooled them last year when it comes to overclocking)
you have a very special e6600, and you're failing to see that most everyone else doesn't have as good a chip as that. in your case, definitely stick to your e6600.
as for es not being representative of the production models, it's already been well established. that said, from preliminary looks of production samples, e6850's are performing similarly to es models, and the lower models are suffering. personally, i had a e6750 l719a hit 8x400=3.2 with 1.37v actual under load. 8x420 wouldn't even stabilize with 1.5v, so it looks indeed like it hit a sharp wall somehow.
Great results.Can you please give us FPO/Batch #.Quote:
Originally Posted by pvhk
L719B016:Quote:
Originally Posted by sam95ta
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8063/g7copierlq7.jpg
Max bench on air vcore @1.60v bios (1.49v under xp):
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9250/4mjo4.th.jpg
I am actually quite happy with my rather cool running E6750@3.6@1.45V stock Commando but just can't wait to grab the incoming Q6600 SLACR... if only I can find one.
Totally no reports of any retail G0 Q6600 benched over the www so far. :(
Yeah I am sure there are a bunch of us waiting to see if the retail chips clock higher and run cooler. Both My E6600 and Q6600 are good Ocer's but to get the temps down on my Quad might be worth the jump to a G0.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MacClipper
Just getting started.A chips do not appear to be all that bad.
FOP/BATCH:L718A190
Pack Date 6/27/07
http://img.techpowerup.org/070721/Capture001.jpg
Are they Orthos stable for several hours at those speeds?
I just found out that Xeon quads socket 775 3210 (8x) and 3220 (9x) are both cheaper than 6850. So if you prefer quad over dual core get xeon :D
I have the same chip, I cant even get it stable @ 3.7 on a evga 680i A1 p30 bios :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Forsaken1
That might be the OCable difference between nvidia chipsets, and Intel chipsets:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by lee63
Since they changed the max Tcase on these G0 stepping chips, all those Core temps are suspect. If you have CoreTemp 0.95, look under Options->Settings...
http://skinprops.com/images/ct095.jpg
...click that "Show Delta to Tjunction temp" option... the temps reported will be how much headroom room you have left (it counts down as temps go higher) before the cpu throttles itself.
I'm not sure what value is being used for the new E6x50 chips, but earlier desktop quads used a 100C Tjunction, and it looks like they increased that by 11C for the new G0 stepping Q6600.
Older/current desktop C2Ds used 85C, but I'm guessing they bumped that up as well... maybe by 11C, but maybe less than that for the Duos. It would be nice if Intel actually said what was being used for each cpu/stepping.
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Originally Posted by kiwi
Please give a link to the site that has Xeon 3220 for less than the E6850.
Yea no kidding:cool:
Wait for it, it just so happened the C2D/Q cuts hit first. Xeons are planned for late July (29th?). It should be there in the next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by sofarfrome
He's right, word has it prices will be cut to $224 (cheapest quad) and $266 (same as Q6600) for the 3210/3220 respectively, and Xeons have a history of selling cheaper than their made-for-desktop counterparts...So they may end up even cheaper.
Overclocking the 3210 FSB to 400-450 would be the ultimate budget power rig. :up:
I have it from my local supplier but you should see it very soon in a few days/weeks unless US stores rip you off and charge more for those xeons :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sofarfrome
over the last couple of days i've been playing with a e6550 on asus p5k and wondering whether to switch to this new "G0" steping from my trusty nine month old e6600 [9 x 400 on asus p5w]
when i saw the 7 multiplier I immediately thought of the e6300/6350.
it seemed to make sense seeing as the cpu sells for around the same price as them both.
the 6550 initially ran prime for a long time at 3.7ghz but later crashed and eventually i settled at 3.6ghz as the stable best "quickie overclock" result I could get.
i was considering two upgrades, A] the p5k [from p5w] and B] the 6550 from 6600.
naturally i LOVE the p5k but will probably pass on G0 stepping versus my antique e6600 because I still have hopes of hitting 4ghz on this fabulous new motherboard with my old processor, at least until the quads drop in price, whoot!!
what's the batch code for your e6550
Ok I am new to asus OCing so flame away if so desired:ROTF: But how the hell do you see the changes in cpu speed as your adjusting the FSB on the
P5K Deluxe? I asked in this thread as there is a lot of 6850 and P5K combos out there.
I think you might be right, but I need an SLi board:(Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
see my earlyer postQuote:
Originally Posted by dr-ali
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=85
answer is that they are much better at stock speeds and a few have a chance to clock higher, but most likely you are probably getting a chip of lesser manufacturing quality that functions better at the stock clock speeds due to the fixes that came with the G step.
No it is not orthos stable.Only had a hour to play this morning.Will try to get it orthos stable over 4 shortly.It does not look good.Maybe occt.Im on water with 1.58v.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyM
Any volt mods for Gigabyte P35C-DS3R?:shrug:
I agree the specific chip that I kept may be an exception vCore-wise, but I think hitting 3.50~3.60GHz with ~1.50V was pretty common with most E6x00 chips? (Before Intel started binning for Q6600s) Now we have these E6850s that hit 3.8~4.0GHz with 1.55V-ish vCore. Can't really see the point of upgrading, especially with their lower multipliers and loosened strap. I mean, outside professional benchers, I don't think the difference between 3.60GHz and 4.00GHz is something to go through the hassle of upgrade for.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
Q6600, on the other hand, is a different story. It's unfortunate that there are only handful of apps that can take advantage of quad-cores, but for folks who use them, it's a god-send. Previously these folks had to rely on workstation boards with dual sockets for their productivity.
Lower multipliers? I think you're viewing these new cpus wrong. If you compare price-points, you'll see the following:Quote:
Originally Posted by lopri
E6850 - 9x multiplier, 3.00GHz replaces E6600 - 9x multiplier, 2.4GHz
E6750 - 8x multiplier, 2.66GHz replaces E64x0 - 8x multiplier, 2.13GHz
E6550 - 7x multiplier, 2.33GHz replaces E63x0 - 7x multiplier, 1.86GHz
...they're not lower multipliers, they're 'higher cpu speed' due to the higher FSB.
Just got finished testing mine...
Right now, 12 hours orthos stable with 1.5v, E6750... 450FSB x8 multi... 3600MHz
50c max temp under load
I'm very happy with my purchase.
the "loosened strap" doesn't matter so much once you overclock. For instance, on the p35, 1:1 belongs to 333strap anyway, so even if you used a 266bsel cpu..
This my dilema right now. I have an E6600 @ 8x450 FSB for 3.6Ghz right now on an ABit IN9 32MAX. This board is not that good for Quad high fsb overclocking and I am not getting another board now before X38 is out so no Quad for me right now (this is a gaming machine mostly). So I was thinking of the E6850 as an upgrade and possibly using my old E6600 to my home theater PC. But unless I get to at least 4Ghz I see no point. But do your really think that 400Mhz is pointless? That is IF I can hit this speed (on water ofc).Quote:
Originally Posted by lopri
Are there any benches comparing those straps? Although there should not be a big difference if any.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
Guys, you want a good chance of a good clocker buy the 6850, Intel quite rightly are binning the CPU's now quite tightly, they are after all here to make money ;)
With the price drops the 6850 is an awesome buy, the 9 multi is perfect for 680i running 1800+fsb with ram linked and Sync DDR800 1T with tight timings with water or air cooling.
If the CPU cost like $500+ i would say go with a lower model but 299 or so is cheap enough to not even consider one the lower end CPU's and the chance it could be a poor clocker.
The odd awesome 6550 etc will drop thru the loop but overall the highest clockers will be the 6850's
most of the newer boards have chipset strap settings now, if you need to you can force 1066 on the chipset but overall FSB will drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by JargonGR;
Again this points to buying the CPu with the highest multi will always gain you the highest speeds.
Tony - yes it is right, i ve tested many G0 chips, but ALL of E6850 are good Ocers to 3900+ MHz...
With E6750, E6650 you have only little chance for great OC ...
Too bad the E6850 is priced the same as the Q6600.
If what tony is saying is true perhaps the retail q6600's certainly won't overclock like their ES brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neon Biker
They will prob reserve higher clockers for Q6850.
Without overclocking thier chips how do they bin.
Perhaps this is a poor example but I have never seen or heard of a e6600 that can't run at e6700 speeds @ stock volts.
i think the real advantage of q6600 G0 is it runs cooler than the b3.. other than that might be the same.. so to those who already owns a very good wc system or other extreme cooler, dont really need to wait for G0..
not uncommon.. mine can do over 3ghz with stock volts..Quote:
Originally Posted by I)ickie
If you need a Quad core, buy it. But i am not using now any application whats want Quad core power ... for games is high clocked Dual Core the more then enough, for what you need Quad core? For stupid 3Dmark 06 skore? :p:
For the future. Your argument is only valid if you aren't going to be buying new software or games from now on.Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
OBR Your OC is with the Striker or eVGA board???????Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
How many fps do you gain going from 3.6Ghz to a 4Ghz CPU?!... 3, 5, 7 fps?!... :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
I really can't make my mind up, which one to buy.
I do like alittle overclocking, I do encode video, and I do play games.
I don't like the heat issue with quads.
I'm sitting here with two shopping baskets, one with the q6600 (Not G0) and the other with a 6850, and I can't bring myself to press the checkout button!!
I'm in urgent need of medical advice, it's driving me nutz!!!
Definitely go for the quad. It's far more future-proof than the dual-core - all new release apps and games will be multi-threaded, and four cores at 2.4GHz are better than two at 3.0GHz.
it's too bad they don't sell 2mb versions of the conroe chips anymore. if they had a g0 that'd goto 4ghz and only had 2mb, but sold for say $160, i'd totally get it.
Its certainly not 'future proof' with the cheaper and cooler Penryn Quad only 6-8 months away. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SoulsCollective
You entirely missed the point of my statement. My point was merely that with software development on the verge of a multi-threaded renaissance, a quad-core will age better than a dual. Whether it represents an astute purchase given expected future hardware releases is an entirely different matter again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Countryman
I think I'll pick a E6750 as it's so cheap 172€ and hold onto it till Yorkfield arrives and gets more afforable. It seems ppl have had greater luck in europe so far with these ones, just saw a pretty nice result on aircooling. http://forum.geizhals.at/files/53810/6750%20oc.png
As long as I can get 3.6GHz+ (with 1.5v or lower) I'm satisfied.
Tempting: E6750 @ 4GHz @ 1,425V @ h2o :shocked:
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/353...inalws0.th.jpg
:up:
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete@X
I had 5 of these Babes from that FPO/Batch (L719B174), they clock more or less all the same. 4GHz are possible between ~1,425V and ~1,450V :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by ziddey
Max FSB of those thats what id like to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete@X
Around 545-550 booted ok and was good enought for some Spi1M ... have not clockgen`d further so far ...Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
sure beats the hell out of 719a's
If thats on air/water its more then enough! Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete@X
All happend on water ... :yepp: that reminds me -> I have to update my Sig :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by loc.o
Wrong!!!!!!!, mine on a DFI 680i and after a few hours of non experience tweaking intel platforms, is at 3750mhz @1.39v on air 5 hours ORTHOS stable and counting as I left it running this morning, Memory is running at DDR556. We'll see when I get home from work.Quote:
Originally Posted by newls1
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnMike
Not even that much in graphics heavy games such as Oblivion.
Yes it most certainly is:shakes: Their will always be something better around the corner so if you want to wait for all eternity be my guest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Countryman
Either way you look at it even though the penryn's will be better its not like the q6600 is a slacker and the most important benefit it offers are 4 cores (just like the penryn's) which future apps and games will be making use of very shortly.
Anyone know how much the Penryn Quad's are going to cost?
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLINROB
regarding 680i Vs Intel chipset i hit just over 4.1 on the p35 boards and exactly the same on the DFI 680LT, the issue came when I tried to clock it with Striker Extreme...3.9GHZ was all I could get.
So its not so much chipset but board related, and how well they are made to clock high.
Lu(ky - eVGA is better than Striker ...
Guys how much do you think the 45nm quads will be when they first launch? I want a quad core cpu but I do not want to pay a fortune for one but on the same token I dont want to be missing out if I go with the Q6600.
I have a Tuniq Tower and a case with great airflow so as long as I can do at least 3.2ghz I will be happy. I have my $5 down at tankguys so I know eventually I will be able to go with the G0 stepping if thats what I decide to do.
This rig is solely for gaming and when games like crysis hit I am sure a quad core will be nice.
I think you made the right choice. A Q6600 for app $300.00 shipped and a guaranteed G0 Step from Tank guys is the best deal going right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLINROB
The 45nm stuff might do 10% clock for clock more but cost twice as much or close to that..
If I was in the market for a quad I'd do just what you did. It's the smart play.
So you think a 45nm quad will be much higher than $300 for a good while?Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
most likely the 45nm stuff will do the normal $1000 tray price for XE and work its way down much the same way conroe did when it hit. I would guess expect to pay $3-500 for a mainstream quad depending on what you go with
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blauhung
Yeah thats whats killing me, deciding to go q6600 right now or wait to see if I can get a mainstream 45nm quad for around $300.00
Will there even be any 45nm mainstream quads at first or just the expensive ones?
It's going to be Intels flagship and they will want a premium I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLINROB
If this was a change like from netburst to C2D then I'd say spend the extra but just a change from 65nm to 45nm with some small changes that could be offset by bumping up another couple hundred mhz I can't see spending $200-300 more..
I know, there is the "bragging rights" part of having a penryn but outside of the forum that and $2.00 will buy you coffee..
It's an individual decision but I like the G0 for $300.00. I think thats a steal for what your getting in computational power.
Run that up to just 3200 and you got one hell of a machine that can be cooled effectively on air..
Sounds good and thanks for the advice:) I guess if it comes down to having to spend $500+ just on the mainstream 45nm quads then its a no brainer for me to save a couple hundred dollars and go with the G0 65nm Q6600.Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
Now come on Tankguys! hurry up and get those new steppings! LOL.
I'm not sure I disagree with your point of view or think you're wrong, but I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of the differences... Until the silicon hits the store shelves, noone will know, but dropping from 65nm to 45nm might well mean lower power consumption and/or lower voltage requirements, which could equate to better/cooler overclocks (they've already managed that with just a new stepping - the die-shrink may help even more).Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
I'd also not be so sure that they're going to charge a premium... they're not doing that for their current (and brand-spankin-new) FSB1333 'flagship' products.
Having said the above, it's really just a matter of time. If you're not in any hurry and can afford to wait til Oct./Nov., you'll have more info available and the current Q6600 may even be cheaper then (or at least bottomed out in price and older steppings syphoned out of the market). On the other hand, it's currently a bargain at the ~$300 price-point, so if your apps and usage patterns could benefit from a quad today (ie. encoding, 3d Apps, 1 or two games, or heavy multi-tasking, benchmarking/bragging-rights), then there's not much reason to wait.
The 'waiting' risk is.. you wait til Oct./Nov. at which point, you have enough info to make you want to 'wait til Feb 08', at which point you hear about something that makes you want to 'wait til April/May', etc. :). At some point, you just have to pull that trigger.
I can't argue with any of your logic. You may well be right, I might be and it well could be a combo of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanki
I agree, we'll see..but I still think the G0 Q6600 for $300.00 is a steal.:D
I decided to give my l719a e6750 another go in my dfi p965-s. I tried for 6x425=2550 this time.
Set mode3/mode2 normal/normal 5-5-5-15-5-35 13-11-3-5
400bootup fsb
103pcie
1:1
1.5vcore, 1.325vtt, 1.35vnb, 2.125vdimm, 1.6vsb, 1.10vich
posting is sporadic, and windows locks up hard as soon as I start priming.
so i ram vtt to 1.5 and pump 1.7v to sb. now it's priming successfully.
Going to see if I can bring multi up to 7x and then 8x at these settings. Maybe the p965 dfi is limiting me and not the cpu itself (remaining optimistic :))
There is no doubt that the G0 quad at $300 is a still. Thank you guys for being so kind as to give me your 2 cents about the whole deal because this has been driving me nuts:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
After some thought I think I will just hold out as long as I can and first see how games such as crysis benefit from a quad core. By the time crysis comes out the 45nm's will be that much closer to release and the Q6600's should be that much cheaper.
Then again if the G0's turn out to be awesome overclockers and run fairly cool then it will be hard to say no when tankguys sends me a notification. LOL.
Either way I win:yepp:
Interesting. Used rmclock to switch multi up to 7x and then 8x and smallfft is still chugging along. I tried 1.5vtt by itself before but it didn't help. Guess the board needs 1.7vsb for some reason. Wonder how bad that is on longevity...
edit: dropped vtt down to 1.325v and it's still stable at 8x425=3400. tried clockgenning to 430 and got a hard lockup. maybe i'll get a new p35 board before giving up on this e6750.
I noticed thermal spec for these g0's is 72'c, and for b2's was 61.4'c. compensating by the 10.6'c makes coretemp reading identical to the reading from the motherboard's cpu readout.
That said, it looks like I'm loading around 50'c with poorly spread thermal compound (I was only quick testing so I didn't apply any compound, so whatever compound was what was stuck on the waterblock).
edit2: hmm. put all voltages to stock except vcore at 1.42v. wouldn't finish post. bumped vsb to 1.6v. vista crashes before the progress bar comes up. bump to 1.7v and vista almost gets to the gui but bsod's.
Only absolute top of the range insanely priced Penryns will be available on launch according to the Inq.. who knows when the affordable ones will kick in.. could be closer to mid year than start of the year before you can get one.. and thats without any delays.. Q6600 is here right now for chump change
True... my guess is March/April at the earliest for the affordable (sub-$500) 45nm quads - which is 8-9 months out from now. Even if they manage a Jan/Feb release, that's 6-7 months away.Quote:
Originally Posted by gundersausage
Another consideration (one way or the other) is that those new 45nm parts will be the last of the socket 775 lineup. Sometime late '08 ('09?) Intel will introduce a new socket with an even newer cpu design.
So... you could upgrade to a Q6600 (or one of the E6x50 chips) now, and then 8mos. or a year from now grab one of the 45nm parts to ride out the rest of the S775 life-cycle (if it makes sense at the time - heck, maybe AMD will have pulled it's head out of it's ass (or it's ass out of the fire) by then).
Still going off a theory i have, but I really think that the G0 chips bin out much better from Intel's standpoint. So its much much cheaper to make them as you get many more mainstream binned die per wafer. I would venture a guess that the price points of the new 6*50 chips (even with the nice price cut when compared to the 6*00 stuff) have a very nice buffer against the cost of manufacture.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanki
Can't really compare that to Penryn and it's still young process.
Edit:
and I'm very not sure on this one, but i believe that mainstream Nahalem stuff that's still on a FSB could go without a socket change, but I only work in manufacturing so I don't hear about this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanki