the used a E6400 for the review...
no doubt the CPU was holding it back, single card... and SLI.
too much power, too little to back it up.
like putting a rocket engine on go-cart.
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the used a E6400 for the review...
no doubt the CPU was holding it back, single card... and SLI.
too much power, too little to back it up.
like putting a rocket engine on go-cart.
I wonder if these improvements are the kind of thing we would see on an 8900 series despite those rumors that they are going straight to G90.
It has been doneQuote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
:wierd:
The real question is how BIG is the rocket you are attaching? :D
Not to mention that they are comparing games on 1280X1024 and 1024X768 :rofl:
8600??? Son it will SMOKE an 8600... :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by end3rkid
You meant 8800gts right?
Let's face it, the 8800 Ultra is nVidia's gift to current GTX owners in the form of a BIOS upgrade :D
LOL Look closely at X-values on those graphs XD
Also, 14k is nice on the 06, but it isn't far enough for the XT not to catch it.
Pekram
well the next fastest GPU is what im getting whether the 8900GTX or 9800GTX from nv, or ATI HD2950XTX or soemthing ... w/ei s fastest end of this year is what im getting .... i havent played a single game that can bring down a single 8800GTS 648/999 to its knee at 1680x1050 2xAA let alone SLI
i do like nv's approach however ... since they can get enough power out a two 6 pin PCI-E , while AMD needs 8 pin + 6 pin
my loved came! :D
From what I hear the R600 can use two 6pin or one 8pin for power... It's doesn't need an 8pin and 6pin, or has this rumor been quenched?Quote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
again they include the 8 pin for reason .. it requires more power than 8800 GTXQuote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
also there is the overdrive rumor, but im sure u can still oc with ATI Tool and with only 2 6 pin plug in
if u ask me i dont think it will amke much difference, since u can always use adapters, and as long as ur PSU has enough amerage over 12v rails ur ok
god those damn review sites... ahah try to fool me are u?? 8900 is like 1 and 9400 is like 1800000+ on their fućked up graph
:lol: GTX :owned:
This thread is so funny... thanks for the laugh guys... it lightened up day.
Right, but you said that the card NEEDS both the 8pin and 6pin connectors and this is obviously not the case. I wasn't arguing that it will draw more power.Quote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
Theoretically you could take one yellow and one black wire off your PSU and power the whole card with the proper adapter... It would be fun to see how fast the insulation melts off.Quote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
i thinke the adaptor will be like 6 pin + molex > 8 pin or something liek that where they draw power from molexQuote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
btw anyone has any info on the adapter?? i wanna see what i t looks like
I think it's a bit retarded to start bragging about 6pin or 8pin connectors... The deal here is 8800Ultra scoring like an overclokced 8800GTX, all this for a ridiculously inflated price... nvidia taking advantage of the situation once again?
Where's my ATI 2900XT:D
QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by triple_A
Its been confirmed that the 2900XT needs 2x6 to work at stock speeds and 8+6 to overclock.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
Strangely enough, the only difference between a 6 pin and 8 pin plug is that the 8 pin has 2 extra black common conductors. No extra 12v power at all. There is talk that in the future the PSU will use one of the wires as a sensor, but not yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
You are claiming that two extra grounds are necessary to overclock? That makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
Have any pics?
well i didnt .. inq and many site suggest it .... also why would they include it if it doesnt bring anything more than 6 pin??Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
u can deny it all u want, but if those companies force u to buy stuff, u pretty much have no choice but buy it... in this case AMD force u to buy PSU with 8 pin PCI-E
u want to oc R600XTX? u gotta buy PSU with 8 pin PCI-E .. thats like how intel force u to buy a new mobo to support conroe, and penryn .... i dont think they do it intensionally, but its easier for them to just release a new mobo with new power requirement then mess with the old stuff
then what does those 2 extra do if they dont bring more power?? i am confused ...Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
All it does is increase the rating of the plug from 75w to 100w (or 150W depends where you look). A normal 6 pin (3x12v conductors) can supply loads more than the 75W as rated. All it means is that the overclocked 2900XT must be using more than 225W.Quote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/4...age1el7.th.jpg
You`ll need 8-pin connector to use Overdrive feature. Nobody sad that you won`t be able to OC the card using 2x6-pin connectors and a 3rd party tool
I'm not claiming anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by J-Mag
Facts
1.The 2900XT knows if the 8 pin is connected.
2. The extra 2 connections are only commons.
2x6 plugs, 6 conductors can supply a lot of current. The 6 pin plug's just not rated high enough for this application. Obviously adherence to a standard forces design.
right thats what adapters forQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
u can either (im guessing)
1. use ati tool and still oc with 2x6
2. use 8 pin adapters, which not a whole lot of people know what it looks like.. or even exist
oh .... wait so if u have 6+8.. thats 100+75=175W ... how u get the 225w??Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
or does it outputs 175w but draws 225w??
As for a 3rd party app, thats speculation. The OC limit may well be bios embedded for all we know. For now all we know is the card senses the 8 pin connection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Good eye. A clear example.Quote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
Same here. http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=103
Quote:
One nice thing about the X3 is that it has native support of the upcoming 8 pin PCI-e standard. No adaptors needed for this baby although as of now the 8 pin cables feed off a 6 pin plug on the unit. A little birdie tells me that Ultra has a redesign in the works which will put the 8 pins on native 8 pin plugs on the PSU body and two of the 6 pin cables will adapt down from them instead of it being the inverse as it is now. Does it make much of a difference? Not really owing to the fact that as of now the extra two pins on the 8 pin plugs are grounds. There's all this hoopla over the 8 pin handling more wattage when in fact there are still three 12V power leads and five grounds rather than three +12V and three grounds. The new standard will eventually implement a 12V sense where the new grounds reside. How this equals more power capacity I really don't understand but I suppose that better minds than mine have decided it will work so that's all that matters
The PCI-e slot = 75WQuote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
gotcha, so 100 from 8pim + 75 from 6pin + 75 from PCI-E = 250W , but if it only has 2 x 6 then thats 3 x 75 = 225W .. which is not enough if the card draws 225W
pci-e slot has power lanes too ;)
And if I`m not mistaken this thread is about 8800Ultra results, ain`t it ?
So please continue the conversations upon ATI products in related threads.
Well I discussed these advantageousness graphs stealer's some time ago. Well that happens when they get a free card from Nvidia and in exchange they have to say misleadings performances to dumb customers. Completely anti-professional lamers.
There's also some results talk in the stickyQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooper
Sorry, that's for specs and pictures, this thread is for the results like cooper said.
Whats with these barely literate people telling us that the R600 is dead, and the Ultra is the fastest card until the end of the year? I've put up with better adverts from gold farmers...
Getting back to the review topic. Did anyone notice the extra space provided in the Ultra casing for an 8 pin plug? Maybe some initial concerns about power?
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/9...8501lx9lu1.jpg
regardsQuote:
GeForce 8800 Ultra on the 2nd
NDAs about the GeForce 8800 Ultra will expire on the 2nd of May. The final speeds of the card will end up at 612 MHz for the core and 2160 MHz for the memory. The original plan was to have the chip running at 650 MHz, but it looks like NVIDIA didn't push the limits as far as expected.
The shaders of this card will run at 1.5 GHz, which will make them faster than the R600 shader units. The card should end up with a $900 price tag.
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=30381
Results eh? Yes I know its in the sticky as well.
Link
http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6...znjyzm2en0.jpg
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1...nm5j2ekzv9.jpg
Trying to figure out the clocks, looks like 720 core. But thats a very high score for an air cooled card. A GTX @ 660/2200 gets about 13K in 06 with the same CPU speed. They're saying good yields for launch and I haven't seen many unmodified GTX getting this high on air, so unlikely cherry picked GTX. Maybe a new revision core or board?
Another.
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3...emymdkuii2.jpg
I know its funny the scale they use is in increments of 100, I'm suprised they didn't just do 10s and make the ultra looks even more insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] MarioMaster
Hmmm, supposing there is significant overhead added to the G80 with the Ultra, maybe the only reason NVIDIA keeps the stock so low is to give vendors room to differentiate their cards with their clockspeeds. I guess NVIDIA listens to their pleas, heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
THE GTX KILLER!!Quote:
Originally Posted by wickedld9
Good thing about them will be that the cores will be "handpicked" somehow so to go higher and IF anyone have noticed, the rams are used are samsung 0.8 and not 1 or 1.1 ...... ;) So they have potential to go way higher under cold..... ;)
In the UK one of the main vendors is saying this Ultra will be in £400/£500 range. That's not that far above the current stock GTX £370 mark and comparable in price to some of the OC versions. That's like a $100 difference. Obviously favorable exchange rates etc, buy in price of the older stock being higher as well. But still, not so bad.
Yeah, I pointed that out to Gibbo of the vendor OcUKQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/sho...9&postcount=36
He's not so sure.
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Originally Posted by fornowagain
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Originally Posted by Gibbo
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Originally Posted by fornowagain
So basically the extra charge is for an extra 150MHz in shader clock speed, and .8ns GDDR. I'm not buying that cherry picked core baloney.
I agree... especially if the factory core clock is only 37MHz above a GTX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
$900 F***IN DOLLARS?!?!?
Nvidia can go shove that thing you know where..
8900ultra:
price - YOUR LEFT ARM
i think its ratio is a bit higher than GTXQuote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
1500/612 = 2.4509803921568627450980392156863
1350/575= 2.3478260869565217391304347826087
so both at say 650 core ... Ultra will ahve slightly higher shader speed ...
but again that very little performance gain DOES NOT justify about 850 ( according to inq) - 550 = 300 ... does not worth 300 bux
Quote:
Originally Posted by virtualrain
haha, that's even worse!
Nvidia's idea of "cherry picked cores" has stayed the same for the last 3 years.
This is how they pick the cores. Roll a dice to choose the core out of a bin, mod the bios and swap a resistors to give a .1 VGPU over volt. Better off spending 75 bucks more and getting dual 8800GTXes.
wouldnt two 640mb 8800gts' be faster than this one card? (and cheaper)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
2x $359 ($718) vs 850-900 dollars?
Quote:
Originally Posted by wickedld9
sweet :p:
yeah 7800GTX 512 sickens me .. although it was done on a better manufacture process 110nm vs 130nm i think .. not sure , but that doesnt justify the price tag of $750 in most e/retailerQuote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
but anyway $750 + or in today's case $900 for a single graphic card that will be outdated in 1 year is just stupid ...
a lot of people burn $7000 on dell/allianware, and $10,000 on TEH OMEN voodoo ... and those machine will be oudated in about 1.5 to 2 years.. those last a bit long lol
i mean 1.5 years after the launch of X6800 + 8800GTX we will have Penryn ... Yorksfield , and prolly 9800GTX or HD2950 ...
Surely an ratio increase ofQuote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
0,103154305200341005967604433078
is worth 850$ Does Nvidia think we all are stupid:confused: :confused:
tomorow Nvidia is geting :owned: by Amt-Ati
bring on red cards and own the greens:lsfight:
Another questions@ offtopic is Dave Orthon still at AMD
well i mean i for 1 hate the way they raise the price for premium graphics card ... GeForce 3 Ti 500 was no more than $399 ... and u look at 8800GTX it was $650 at launch and gouged to $700 on most sites ... and that 's not even the worst ... 7800GTX 512 and this Ultra... $750 to $1000 ... wtf is wrong with these company??
but 8800Ultra should OC higher right?? i mean in the review they were able to get 720 on core thats another 100MHz more than stock, so 8800 Ultra @ 720/2400 should be something like 10 to 20% faster than 8800GTX @ 660/2200
however though this is just tooooo expansive... and not worth that $300 to $500 (we dont know the price of it yet inq said $850 but rumor to be $999)
What is this tomorrow crap that DAAMIT will own Nvidia?
I thoguht the NDA was lifted 5/14?
At that price would it have killed them to throw say 1 maybe 2 more heatpipes in there? I don't really care tons, because I'm not getting one and if I did I could do water to the board, but jeez the 7900 has almost better cooling.
Still unless that price drops significantly I'll wait for the 8900 or their 65nm 2nd round. People buying now would be better with either a stock gtx or a cherry picked evga/bfg. This ultra junk is money wasted as far as I can see now.
If i had $900 to drop i would go buy... another 8800GTX, some WB's for them and another 120.3, now thats money wisely spent
Seriously! At that price you are basically in the ballpark of even 2 vanilla GTX's. You could absolutely get two GTS's and pocket the change.
Oh well. (stops beating the silly horse, sorry)
Been looking around the Ultra core is labeled G80-450-A3, the GTX I can find are G80-300-A2. Also 0710A3 would be week 10 or mid march, so a new batch. Anyone have a GTX A3?
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5540/image005lp2.jpg
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3...oardsbgwm5.jpg
Even with that pricing they will still sell out, which is why they will price it like that. They are only raising prices because of demand, most of you know this ... as long as people keep buying the stuff like they do they will keep the prices high and increasing.
As far as how much the "premium" graphics cards cost 6-7 years ago or whatever, yeah they were probably lower, but inflation should be calculated in there too, although it wont be a whole lot.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1178031413Quote:
Originally Posted by |JACK-
I like the little bump in the cooler, though.
Clearly worth the $900 price tag.
Ryan
btw, I still don't believe this ballpark $1000 garbage.
GTX, what you can see looks like the same PCB.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8519/37868ji7.jpg
lol look a bit closer. like read the numbers of the IC's contained within.:stick:
I said PCB, as in board.:stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
I read the IC's thank you and I'm sure you know but they can change depending on the fab. I say again, no obvious PCB changes at the back end.
Here's another GTX slightly different IC number, new board revision? No. The obvious one is the delta PWM chip HAHE1040-1R0, I don't think that significant.
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2207/52339kt3.jpg
Yes, the board has not changed. Minor IC revisions..I bet that pictured card failed Ultra binning. check mosfets around chokes. this is most noticible difference, IMHO, other than higher-rated capacitors. minor changes, and only confirms that these cards are nothing special.
I can only make out the serials on the electrolytics, what's different?Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
something from guru3d tomorrow.
Quote:
You've seen dozens of rumours, specs, speculations, people overclocking a GeForce 8800 GTX and posting results. But you know what ? .. there really is only one place where you can get your information and actually trust that info. That's right, leave it to us.
Tomorrow (Wednesday) you'll learn about the real specs and performance; right here on Guru3D.com
color of capacitor should denote temperature rating. you'll find some cards have all purple, some have purple/blue, some have all blue. I do beielve that blue is the higher-rated cap. Colour coding is standard accross ALOT of electrical components.Quote:
Originally Posted by fornowagain
Of course, nV may have just changed the BOM to match what some other OEM's have been using for a while...
what a teaser :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by safan80
With clocks only mildly tweaked, it might be possible that individual board manufacturers plan to offer even higher overclocked versions of the ultra based on their own binning... I could see the "EVGA 8800 GTX Ultra KO Super-duper clocked burn your wallet on the HSF" version coming out soon! :D
EDIT: Actually, I think I may be right... http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...d=757&Itemid=1
I was going to say, you'll see GTX with blue and purple and a mix of both.Quote:
Originally Posted by cadaveca
http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/4839/99804147vh2.jpg
You're right there are color codes for the solid ploy/mica caps. The colors on electrolytics vary a lot by manufacturer. The one's on this board are 180uF 16v rated to 105C. They're just trying to confuse you, Sanyo use purple for OS-CON and light blue for Al.
http://www.edc.sanyo.com/english/search/pc.html#a07
http://www.edc.sanyo.com/english/pdf/oscon/E30.pdf
http://www.edc.sanyo.com/english/pdf/alm/E16.pdf
In case anyones cares, the color position indicates polarity, the top line is either case type or date. Then the capacitance in microfarads, finally voltage.
yeah..i was not stating FACt that that's what is different, but what we have mentioned is all that catches the eye.
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by wickedld9
Very true
So an Ultra is basicly an overclocked G80?
No more stream processors :(
Anyone who buys one of these things obviously has more money than brains. A plain Jane GTX or better yet R600 is a much better choice.
Obviously Nvidia has nothing to respond to R600.
guys i've preordered one...
NOT! - god I'm not stupid ;)
Gosh!! For a second I thought you lost your mind!! You scared me!! :p: :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
Nice joke :toast:
It won't be that bad X(
It'll be enough to at least steal some press away from the R600 launch.
Perkam
heh exceedgoku n1
Another 8800U Review
CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6400
RAM: 2x1GB DDR667
MB: ASUS P5B Deluxe
OS: Windows XP Professional CH + SP2 + DirectX 9.0c
Drivers: NVIDIA ForceWare 158.19
http://hardware.mydrivers.com/img/20070502/12274768.gif
http://hardware.mydrivers.com/img/20070502/12281650.gif
http://hardware.mydrivers.com/img/20070502/12293762.gif
Source: http://hardware.mydrivers.com/2/82/82566.htm
Quote:
Geforce 8800 Ultra to go overclocked
612 MHz is not enough
At least a few partners will overclock the Geforce 8800 Ultra. They are not happy with 612 MHz as the final core clock, as they expected much more.
XFX and EVGA are not happy with this speed, and they are currently shipping overclocked Geforce 8800 GTX cards that work at 630 and 626 MHz respectively. You can expect some even faster iteration of Geforce 8800 Ultra cards, at least from these two.
The first reviews of default clocked cards are scheduled for tomorrow afternoon and these cards will work at 612 MHz / 2160 MHz and they will have faster memory speeds than overclocked 8800 GTX cards, but not faster GPU speeds.
Stay tuned for more information about the performance tomorrow.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...757&Item id=1
regardsQuote:
XFX 8800Ultra 0.8ns , 720mhz core
31.5% faste than GTX:
Review >>> http://66.249.91.104/translate_c?hl=...language_tools
http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/7844/22198811nr2.jpg
wow i knew it core can be oc to 720 as some site mentioned, but still way too expansive
wonder how much faster is 8800Ultra at max clock say .. 720 to 750 / 2300 vs 8800GTX 660/2200
so basically what you are getting is what the 8800GTX should have been from the start...? (i.e. good ram, good clockable core and good "circuit board")
... Nice one.............................. lols
yeah, but ultra can be oc higher though 720 vs 660(average GTX)
hey exceededgoke , ur RAM is running at 1600MHz!!!?? lol
Yea, sort of. They just upgraded the DDR and did the volt mod for us. How kindQuote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
no FSB is at 1600Mhz :SQuote:
Originally Posted by theteamaqua
EDIT - I just realised Nvidia has now also released a new DX10 graphics card before ATI has even got a single one out...
LOL! :fact: QFT!Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
Isn't this a very poor way to benchmark a high-end card? At 1280x1024 resolution the result will most certainly be CPU limited. :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by end3rkid
And that improvement is awful. 6 freaking frames?! And look at that horrid graph. The green is less than 1/3 the size of the pink one, yet the numbers indicate a 3% difference.... idiots..
I second exceededgoku's notion...this is Nvidia's 5th model in its dx10 line up
However, if May 2nd was launch date for the ultra, then that would make this a soft launch as well.
Perkam
but it's not "new". it's just another 8800gtx with a different cooler (about time!) and higher clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by eXceededgoku
Its called binning...if that was true, there would be no difference between the HD 2900 XT and XTX as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluep3ace
Better binning = higher clocks = higher OCs.
Perkam
What was the difference between the 9800 pro and the 9800 XT again? :p:
Seriously. The difference there I think was even less than when compared to this. XT's oc'ed about 20-30MHz better on the core, but most of that could have been attributed to their superior cooler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
128mb of ram IIRC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanometer
GeForce 8800Ultra Benchmark!
http://www.hardspell.com/english/doc...sp?news_id=503
Here's the Official review of the card... 15 pages long http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools
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pictures cant be displayed on my firefox! even after so many reloads.Quote:
Originally Posted by onethreehill
maybe because my firefox doesnt speak chinese. :)
Here's the Official review of the card... 15 pages long http://translate.google.com/translat...language_tools
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